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David Carlisle

06:52

Per la mia padronanza dell'italiano

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alfred

time for some chess puzzles

come si dice puzzle di scacchi in italiano ?

@DavidCarlisle ho installato il mio dizionario su livetex pero solo lualatex lo riconosce. xelatex invece no. Ho modificato C:\texlive\2017\texmf-var\tex\generic\config\language.dat eccetera

David Carlisle

@alfred doesn't that file start with the comment % DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE (language.dat)! It is generated by tlmgr ?

alfred

07:11

so did languages.ini I think and ulrike said to edit that

CarLaTeX

@DavidCarlisle "Italic" is "corsivo" in Italian, like "pineapple pizza" is not a "pizza" in Italy :P

Ulrike Fischer

@alfred in the case of the local languages.ini the warning is wrong but not in the case of language.dat.

alfred

languages.ini says nothing actually, but I think I remembered smth like that

I know, local files where the way to go

Ulrike Fischer

08:06

@alfred Perhaps it was only in my (rather old) version.

David Carlisle

08:23

@alfred sometimes documentation is wrong but if you are explicitly not following instructions written in capitals at the top of the file, it can't really be surprising if things don't work. Modify the files as detailed in those comments and then rebuild using tlmgr, as it says.

@CarLaTeX Ogni sogno italiano di avere pizza in Hawaii

alfred

I still dont understand why it works with lualatex and not xelatex. Probably texlive\2017\texmf-var\ wasnt the way to go

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh

David Carlisle

@alfred the mechanism is completely different in luatex, the patterns are read in "normal" luatex, as the document is processed. for pdftex and xetex you need to build a format with the patterns in.

@PauloCereda Não se preocupe: sei português e italiano

alfred

I disabled the 'local' patterns I had in the document

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle muito bem. :)

David Carlisle

08:34

@alfred no I don't mean that test setup i mean even in a normal document if you go \usepackage[german]{babel} then in luatex the patterns are read at that point they are not preloaded into the format

@PauloCereda actually it's easy: just borrow a few ~ from Spanish and ^ from French, drop a few o from the ends of words, and you're done.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle That's my rule for "speaking" Spanish. :)

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle The german traduction of google is silly ;-) . It says something like "every italian (adjective) dream (noun) of pizza in Hawaii."

egreg

@UlrikeFischer Google's idea of Italian is often quite funny

Ulrike Fischer

@egreg Is sogno both a verb and a noun in italian (like in english)?

egreg

@UlrikeFischer sogno can be verb (present indicative, first person singular of sognare, to dream) or noun (dream).

CarLaTeX

08:45

@UlrikeFischer Don't worry, the sentence @DavidCarlisle posted has no sense even in Italian :):):)

egreg

@UlrikeFischer The problem in this specific case is that Google seems not to understand even English and mistakes dreams for a noun in Every Italian dreams to have pizza in Hawaii.

@UlrikeFischer @DavidCarlisle The sentence should be ogni italiano sogna di mangiare pizza alle Hawaii, but as soon as you write it in proper Italian you realize its untruthfulness.

CarLaTeX

@DavidCarlisle chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/41?m=38521011#38521011

Paulo Cereda

Great answer egreg! https://twitter.com/StackTeX/status/923025832280514561

Tweeted by guitexorg on October 26, 2017 at 6:35 AM

@egreg ^^

egreg

@UlrikeFischer Curiously enough, the French translation is correct; possibly also German.

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda note the exclamation of surprise at a correct answer from that source.

Paulo Cereda

08:59

@DavidCarlisle ooh

egreg

@DavidCarlisle pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath and sloth

Paulo Cereda

09:15

@egreg "Vanity... definitely my favourite sin!"

David Carlisle

@egreg a list of tag badges you've acquired recently?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh

egreg

09:32

@DavidCarlisle Penitentiagite

Paulo Cereda

09:52

Show some respect.

Tweeted by _youhadonejob1 on October 26, 2017 at 9:46 AM

@egreg: I think I could've asked @DavidCarlisle for help with my Italian text at GuIT. :)

Paulo Cereda

10:09

@barbarabeeton: I cannot find the source, but I read somewhere that bird feeders are changing the shape of the bird beaks.

egreg

10:27

@PauloCereda That would have made for a very entertaining talk. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg LOL

David Carlisle

10:52

@PauloCereda bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41696123

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh that one

Bubaya

11:53

Is 1em in bold the same as 1em in normal weight? And: If I say \setlength{...}{1em}, what em is considered?

David Carlisle

@Bubaya no it is font specific, and it is the current font at the point you make the definition that gets used

Bubaya

@DavidCarlisle Does font specific mean specific for the font family or the single font cut (what is correct English word?)
And: what is the current font in the preamble?

Hm. I assume the last question to be nonsense: the length is converted when used, not when defined, right?

(otherwise, it wouldn't be a very useful unit)

David Carlisle

@Bubaya no specific to the specific font so in the default computer modern it is larger in bold.

@Bubaya no the opposite: a length register can not hold variable size lengths so it is converted to sp at the point of definition. (a length register never records what units were used in the setting)

Bubaya

@DavidCarlisle Okay, and, do you know which is the "current" font for the space after a theorem head, if I specify it in em? The head font or the body font?

David Carlisle

@Bubaya the current font is whatever the class file sets.

@Bubaya there approximately 10001 packages giving theorem definition commands so it depends....

Bubaya

12:01

@DavidCarlisle Sorry, I am working with amsthm

David Carlisle

@Bubaya I'd have to check but:

\newcommand{\newtheoremstyle}[9]{%
  \@ifempty{#5}{\dimen@\z@skip}{\dimen@#5\relax}%
  \ifdim\dimen@=\z@
    \toks@{#4\let\thm@indent\noindent}%
  \else
    \toks@{#4\def\thm@indent{\noindent\hbox to#5{}}}%
  \fi
  \def\@tempa{#8}\ifx\space\@tempa
    \toks@\@xp{\the\toks@ \thm@headsep\fontdimen\tw@\font\relax}%
  \else
    \def\@tempb{\newline}%
    \ifx\@tempb\@tempa
      \toks@\@xp{\the\toks@ \thm@headsep\z@skip
        \def\thmheadnl{\newline}}%
    \else
      \toks@\@xp{\the\toks@ \thm@headsep#8\relax}%

looks suspiciously like it saves the skip arguments into registers at the point of definition so em is neither head or body font but the font at the point that you define the theoremstyle

Bubaya

@DavidCarlisle Thank you for the clarification how length registers work. Unfortunately, that does not solve my spacing problem :-|.

@DavidCarlisle Or maybe, it did. Thank you!

Krijn

13:02

Hey guys, I'm having a lot of trouble, but it might be too specific to ask on the main site

I just can't get it to print the bibliography

Where I use \autocite{reference} I get (reference) instead of a citation

David Carlisle

@Krijn presumably there is an error in some code you haven't shown....

@Krijn isn't that the default biblatex behaviour if you have not yet generated the bibliography?

Krijn

@David It is?

David Carlisle

@Krijn yes (equivalent to the ?? you get from standard latex cite handling)

@Krijn have you run biber to generate a bibliography?

Krijn

@DavidCarlisle Ahhh, not yet

David Carlisle

@Krijn if you haven't generated a bibliography latex won't typeset one.....

Krijn

13:08

To be fair, I can do latex but bibtex or biblatex have always been a mystery to me

David Carlisle

@Krijn either of them take bib files (in a database format latex can't read) and generate a bibliography specific to the citations in the current document in tex format that latex can simply \input that's essentially all they do

Krijn

Well, this has solved that situation for me :)

Thanks!

I thought I was abusing biblatex-chicago, because that was a hard one to get started...

Paulo Cereda

14:43

Yay chocolate

michal.h21

Hi all, do anybody know if Miktex includes Ghostscript?

Paulo Cereda

@michal.h21 I think it does! miktex.org/packages/ghostscript

michal.h21

@PauloCereda I also thought so, but the OP in comments of this answer tex.stackexchange.com/a/398058/2891 said that it isn't here

Paulo Cereda

@michal.h21 oh no! One for @UlrikeFischer!

Ulrike Fischer

@michal.h21 miktex has an internal ghostscript called mgs.

michal.h21

14:50

btw, I am really happy, some one developed complex LaTeX to HTML convertor and they based it on Pandoc. If they discussed their plans with developers of actual LaTeX to HTML convertors, they maybe didn't have to reinvent the wheel. github.com/arxiv-vanity/engrafo

@UlrikeFischer ah, thanks! They just have to make everything differently to TL :(

Paulo Cereda

Can I go dressed as a Ghostscript for Halloween? :)

Ulrike Fischer

@michal.h21 I wouldn't bet that miktex wasn't first. Which ghostscript is then rungs in texlive calling?

michal.h21

@UlrikeFischer it is possible that it was first. I am just little bit angry at the moment, so maybe I am overreacting :( rungs calls gswin32c on Windows, gs elsewhere.

Ulrike Fischer

@michal.h21 but the gswin32c is not in texlive? you have to install it externally?

@michal.h21 btw: I looked at the tex4ht package in miktex and it is really rather old. But the problem is naturally that is not on ctan but somewhere else. And this makes it difficult for miktex to pickup updates.

michal.h21

15:06

@UlrikeFischer I think it is included

Ulrike Fischer

@michal.h21 yes, I found it. If you think that a rungs.exe wrapper would be useful, you could make a feature request: github.com/MiKTeX/miktex. It shouldn't be to difficult to add this.

samcarter

@PauloCereda We'd love to see a photo of you as ghostscript!

michal.h21

@UlrikeFischer I know. I would like to upgrade it on CTAN, but there are some missing pieces. Like Windows binaries etc.

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter ooh

Ulrike Fischer

@michal.h21 Hm. as I have all binaries in texlive there must be somewhere ;-).

michal.h21

15:13

@UlrikeFischer I guess they are just the original binaries from Eitan. I think Linux binaries were updated, but that was just some bugfixes.

michal.h21

15:23

@UlrikeFischer that's good idea, I will ask here what would be a best way to keep tex4ht updated in Miktex

Paulo Cereda

16:50

Quack!

Instagram is boring!

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda Qua qua this chat is not qua qua qua!

Paulo Cereda

@CarLaTeX nope :)

This is teh bestest place evar

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda Of course!

Paulo Cereda

@TeXnician ^^ a taste for you. :)

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda I voted "not sure" LOL

Paulo Cereda

16:58

@CarLaTeX ooh :)

TeXnician

19:11

@PauloCereda Thanks. Probably I'm too inactive to see such circles ;)

Paulo Cereda

@TeXnician :)

Torbjørn T.

21:15

@ChristianHupfer Yes ... It's not entirely uncommon to have numerical citations given as superscripted numbers. Sure, the OP hasn't shown explicitly how he does the bibliography and citations, but I don't see a reason for thinking the word "superscript" is used wrongly.

@ChristianHupfer Also, he complains that the standard \ref gives an A with "the same size as the text", indicating that he wants a different size. Such as you might find in a superscript.

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