@Werner Wow, triple reduplication with two palindromes at the same time!

@Werner Werner is a square cube.

Real reduplication

@egreg you are just sad as you haven't had a palindrome in years.

@DavidCarlisle I should get plenty of them at 700K

@egreg just make sure you rep cap every day to protect yourself from downvotes from vim users and other ducks.

@DavidCarlisle quack :)

@egreg With a 180° rotation, you can shoot for 606 909. But we need to get rid of that comma.

There are some odd packages out there messing with \shipout

@JosephWright yes

@DavidCarlisle Getting a list together: will make sure none of them confuse expl3 :)

@JosephWright \@ifpackagageloaded{zzz}{\PackageError{expl3}{Please don't use zzz}{nothing else to say}}

@DavidCarlisle List coming up shortly :)

@DavidCarlisle One of them is color ;)

@JosephWright definitely treat as suggested then

@DavidCarlisle To be fair, only happens if you set \pagecolor in the preamble and are using pdfTeX/LuaTeX ...

@DavidCarlisle Most packages use \AtBeginDocument so are OK

@JosephWright not my fault

@DavidCarlisle hmmm stars

@PauloCereda more worthy of stars than some earlier comments

\CROP@shipout             % crop
\pgfpages@originalshipout % pgfpages
\GPTorg@shipout           % If page colour set in preamble
\dup@shipout              % duplicat
\opem@shipout             % onepagem
\pr@shipout               % preview
\verso@orig@shipout       % versonotes
\LL@shipout               % Class
\mem@oldshipout           % Class

@DavidCarlisle ^^^ The cases that seem to need to be covered (some of them only come up if certain options are set)

@DavidCarlisle As you might guess, this relates to page colour: before messing with the primitive, I want to make sure we have a copy of the real thing

@JosephWright I thought a modern man like yourself would simply use \primitive\shipout and not worry what anyone else was doing with \shipout

@JosephWright actually I can't remember, do we check that tex_shipout:D or whatever it's called really is the primitive if expl3 code loaded as a package?

@DavidCarlisle This will be the final fallback plan ...

@DavidCarlisle Not yet, but we will real soon

@DavidCarlisle The wrinkle with that is that you can't \edef to 'force' the primitive to a name: the nearest you can get is \protected\def\myshipout{\primitive\shipout}. Ideally we want the :D tokens to be exactly the primitives.

@JosephWright The :D token looks so happy to be there.

@JosephWright we could define them in the format......

@DavidCarlisle This did occur to me as perhaps the easiest solution

@JosephWright and load the rest of expl3 while you are there?

@DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle I'll raise on the team list

@JosephWright oh didn't \primitive get into pdftex, I was thinking it did

@DavidCarlisle It's called \pdfprimitive there

ooh advanced TeX

@JosephWright I knew that once, luatex dropped all the "pdf" prefixes, don't you know:-)

Quack!

[paulo@cambridge ~] $ python dpcprolog.py
DPC Prolog v0.0.1

?- bug(longtable).
not my fault.
?-

@DavidCarlisle ^^ it worked. :)

@DavidCarlisle: England 1:1 Brazil, U-17 final. :)

Oh no, Böhm passed away!

ilpost.it/mauriziocodogno/2017/10/24/morto-corrado-bohm

@PauloCereda bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-latin-america-41723330/…

@DavidCarlisle they play football better than I do

@PauloCereda it's tricky with webbed feet

@PauloCereda More a football playing duck ;-)

@UlrikeFischer The duck is not too excited. :D

@PauloCereda check again

@DavidCarlisle let's talk about cricket

@PauloCereda Why are you executing a prolog interpreter with python? That sounds like a horrible mistake...

@TeXnician Everything with Python seems like a horrible mistake. :)

@PauloCereda you should have used emacs lisp instead. (Did you notice I gave three alternative editors to emacs in an answer today?)

@PauloCereda :)

^^ SX has a new notification feature for chat ;)

@TeXnician Oh that blue one is for flag.

@PauloCereda What do you mean with flag?

@TeXnician The flag system, like someone marking a message as offensive.

@PauloCereda And why it is appearing there? It was gone before I could click it. Does not seem pretty helpful.

@TeXnician no old (but you went over 10k at some point,.....)

@TeXnician Probably the flagged message went away, because someone else dealt with it.

@TeXnician if anyone flags any message in chat all 10k users in the entire stackexchange network get notified, so someone usually clears it before you blink

@DavidCarlisle Ah, okay. Very helpful feature then. Have never seen it though. How frequent are those flags?

@TeXnician It depends on how angry people are. :)

@TeXnician probably most days I see one but I never act on any or click on them:-)

@PauloCereda So how often they use Python?

@TeXnician: I remember one day Bruno Le Floch decided to flag a message here to see what happened. In less than 5 seconds, about 15 people from the entire SE network arrived here and gave a lecture to Bruno. He almost got suspended for 45 minutes.

@TeXnician Probably on a daily basis. :)

@PauloCereda Wow, how serious some people take this. Does this happen if you try it in the sandbox chat too?

@TeXnician Oh that one I have no idea. :)

@TeXnician Yes: all of the chat rooms are on the same 'network' (as flags in chat need a rapid response)

@TeXnician Typically I avoid the chat rooms of other network sites, so I usually don't react to such flags

@JosephWright So in this respect the sandbox chat room is not really a sandbox...

@TeXnician As far as I know, at least

ooh there's a gnu here

hello all

I guess I'm the gnu ;)

@svenper 'ello!

(")>/

Guys I have question that ive looked on the latex stackexchange for but no luck. I wanted to implement roman numbering for front matter and regular numbering for the rest of the report. But the twist is that I want to have the page numbering at the bottom show like i of iv for the front matter and 1 of 9 for the main stuff

also im using the article class and not a book class

@pingOfDoom: I am using the memoir class, but doing exactly that

@pingOfDoom \pagenumbering{roman} at the start, \pagenumbering{arabic} at the start of the main matter?

@TorbjørnT. But doing that i get stuff like "Page iv of 9" at the bottom

I don't know if article has something similar, but in memoir you can do \renewcommand{\cfttocafterlisthook}{\label{lasttocpage}} which will let you use \pageref{lasttocpage}

say again?

@pingOfDoom Ignore me, I'm an idiot who can't read.

@TorbjørnT. we will never ignore you. <3

@pingOfDoom you are usually better asking a question on the question and answer site, with a complete test document. if you have code making "iv of 9" it will only take minor tweaks to make it say iv of ix but impossible to guess how you got the first form so impossible to tell you what to change.

QUACK

@PauloCereda Qua qua

@PauloCereda Quack