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Adam Liter

01:25

@AlanMunn I started looking here because I was thinking it might be a good idea to poke the langsci folks about this and also be able to CC Kai on GitHub ... but things look really messy, and I'm not even sure what to start with. I have no idea why they're maintaining a fork of the S&P stuff, much less having symlinks to it with their name ... This seems bad.

@AlanMunn And thanks for saying that about the testing. Hopefully it won't take too long. It'd be nice to try to wrap this project up.

Adam Liter

01:59

When one submits a package to CTAN, not all of the files have to go into the same directory in the TeX Directory Structure, correct?

I want to make sure I have this right before I say something that is wrong. :)

Adam Liter

02:24

@AlanMunn I ended up saying something here: github.com/langsci/latex/issues/50

@AlanMunn Feel free to weigh in if you have further thoughts or suggestions for them (or if you think anything I said is wrong :P).

Joseph Wright

08:19

Morning all

@AdamLiter No: CTAN prefer a 'flat' structure unless the package is very complex (for example, expl3 just goes in one directory for the upload)

CarLaTeX

2

@PauloCereda A Brazilian duck in Venice! ^^^

Ulrike Fischer

09:05

@CarLaTeX I showed the football ducks on the Dante-Meeting this morning in my greeting ...

Joseph Wright

09:17

@DavidCarlisle Had to check my SVN setup on new laptop ...

CarLaTeX

@UlrikeFischer Yay!!! :):):)

Paulo Cereda

@CarLaTeX Yay!

@UlrikeFischer Yay

@JosephWright top of the morning, sir!

@DavidCarlisle oh

David Carlisle

09:34

@JosephWright I did a check in at work that took over an hour, I wonder if git would have been faster? (oh I just looked it was over 15 thousand files, but still:-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh my :)

@DavidCarlisle: IIRC in git there's a way to get just the last commits, I believe SVN has something along those lines?

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I was committing the files not uodating. annoying thing was it was Friday evening and I wanted to go home but i wasn't sure svn would take kindly to having the laptop suspend and wake up at a different ip address mid-commit

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Ah. :)

Joseph Wright

10:39

@PauloCereda Hi

@DavidCarlisle :)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright David is mean

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I'm toying with the idea of suggesting using etex

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :)

Adam Liter

11:55

@JosephWright Interesting. Thanks for the reply. That's good to know! :)

Paulo Cereda

@AdamLiter Alan is mean. :)

Adam Liter

@PauloCereda lol. :) You seem to be in disagreement with yourself! :P

Paulo Cereda

@AdamLiter They use out of context sentences to make me contradict myself. :)

Adam Liter

@PauloCereda Sounds like politics ... lol. Anyway, how are things going for you? Is your thesis going well? :)

Paulo Cereda

@AdamLiter Slow but steady. :) People prod me about it all the time. :)

@AdamLiter: also, version 4.0 of arara fixed a lot of bugs, including the ones with knitr and spacing. :)

David Carlisle

12:11

Jan 12 '16 at 12:15, by David Carlisle

@PauloCereda finished your thesis?

@JosephWright spot the difference...

\documentclass{article}

\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage{expl3}
\begin{document}

\typeout{^^J[[öé]]^^J}

\makeatletter
\begingroup
\catcode`\~13
\catcode`\"12
\def\UTFviii@loop{%
  \uccode`\~\count@
  \uppercase\expandafter{\UTFviii@tmp}%
  \advance\count@\@ne
  \ifnum\count@<\@tempcnta
  \expandafter\UTFviii@loop
  \fi}
    \count@"C2
    \@tempcnta"E0
    \def\UTFviii@tmp{\protected\xdef~{\noexpand\UTFviii@two@octets\string~}}
\UTFviii@loop
    \count@"E0
    \@tempcnta"F0

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh no

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Looks good to me

David Carlisle

@JosephWright it basically means that the LICR for a utf8 character is its utf8 string which might be considered too much of a change but it's better I think (and what the original version of that utf8 loop, in xmltex, did:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I'm all for it: we have to change some stuff somewhere

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I'll try to make a more coherent email later

Joseph Wright

12:16

@DavidCarlisle Cool

Adam Liter

12:41

@PauloCereda Good luck with the thesis! I'm sure you'll get it finished. :)

@PauloCereda And yes! I've been following the development of it a bit, and I'm excited for it to be released. :)

Paulo Cereda

@AdamLiter I hope too. :)

@AdamLiter Thanks, we will get there. :)

Harald Hanche-Olsen

13:44

Aug 28 at 13:41, by Harald Hanche-Olsen

Quack, or do not quack. There is no “try”.

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@PauloCereda ☝︎☝︎☝︎

Adam Liter

@PauloCereda 😊🎉

Vrouvrou

17:28

Hello, please is there a commande to obtain \begin{equation}...\end{equation} in the center ?

Torbjørn T.

17:39

@Vrouvrou Hm? Displayed math is centered by default.

Vrouvrou

no i don't get the equation at the center

Joseph Wright

@Vrouvrou We'll need an example then

Vrouvrou

Joseph Wright

@Vrouvrou Of your input!

David Carlisle

@Vrouvrou [fleqn] option?

Vrouvrou

17:42

\documentclass[11pt,oneside,fleqn]{book}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage{hyperref}
\hypersetup{colorlinks=true, linkcolor=blue, urlcolor=blue}
\hypersetup{citecolor=blue}
\usepackage{caption}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\usepackage{amsfonts,amsmath,amssymb,amsthm,mathrsfs}
\usepackage{fancyhdr}
\usepackage[Bjornstrup]{fncychap}
\usepackage{yhmath}
\textwidth=16.5truecm \textheight=23truecm
\hoffset=-2cm \voffset=-1.8cm
\newtheorem{theorem}{Theoreme}[chapter]
\newtheorem{lemma}[theorem]{Lemma}

David Carlisle

@Vrouvrou see on the first line fleqn = flush left equations

Vrouvrou

ohh ok

i must delete it

right?

Torbjørn T.

@Vrouvrou Yes.

David Carlisle

@Vrouvrou that is all the option does, why did you add it:-)

Vrouvrou

@DavidCarlisle please can you ameliorate the usepackage ?

David Carlisle

17:46

@Vrouvrou \usepackage{t1enc} is a very old markup, why not \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}

Vrouvrou

i have a big space between each part how i can remove it ?

ok i will try it

David Carlisle

@Vrouvrou ? for fleqn just delete it and \documentclass[11pt,oneside]{book}

Joseph Wright

@Vrouvrou Did you actually write this preamble or did you 'inherit' it?

David Carlisle

@JosephWright my thought exactly:-)

Vrouvrou

i don't write it

i found it and i want to ameliorate it

@DavidCarlisle

@JosephWright

Joseph Wright

17:50

@Vrouvrou It's horrible: start from what you need

Vrouvrou

i need to write a thesis

David Carlisle

@Vrouvrou I would just start from \documentclass{book} then add things that you need, most of those lines come from last century

Vrouvrou

of mathematics

Joseph Wright

@Vrouvrou Sure: follow @DavidCarlisle's advice

@DavidCarlisle Yup: at least it's not \documentstyle ;)

@Vrouvrou book class plus amsmath package as a starter

Vrouvrou

@JosephWright i don't understand

Joseph Wright

17:54

\documentclass{book}
\usepackage{amsmath}
\begin{document}

Write your text here!
\begin{equation}
  y = mx + c
\end{equation}

\end{document}

@Vrouvrou ^^^

David Carlisle

\documentclass[a4paper]{book}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\usepackage{amsmath}
\begin{document}

\end{document}

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle OK, a few more packages ;)

David Carlisle

@Vrouvrou oh @JosephWright was doing the same:-) Just start from that and then add packages if you need them

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Sounds good to me (though definitely want fontenc and inputenc unless using fontspec)

Vrouvrou

What about

\textwidth=16.5truecm \textheight=23truecm
\hoffset=-2cm \voffset=-1.8cm

Joseph Wright

17:58

@Vrouvrou Do Not Do This

Vrouvrou

i must delete them ?

egreg

@Vrouvrou Never ever touch \hoffset and \voffset. You'll soono regret doing it. Use geometry.

Joseph Wright

@Vrouvrou As @DavidCarlisle and I have said, start from what you need and add stuff

Vrouvrou

@egreg how geometry ? please

egreg

@Vrouvrou \usepackage[a4paper,textwidth=16.5cm,textheight=23cm,heightrounded]{geometry}

Vrouvrou

18:02

i put a4paper in documentcalss as david told me

the writing is very fine and small how to do ?

Joseph Wright

@Vrouvrou It will be 10 pt, which is pretty normal for print. If you want it bigger, \documentclass[11pt]{book}

Vrouvrou

ok thank you

and what about this

\renewcommand{\headrulewidth}{1.5pt}
\rhead{}
\chead{}
\lhead{}
\renewcommand{\footrulewidth}{1.5pt}
\renewcommand{\baselinestretch}{1.5}

Joseph Wright

@Vrouvrou Do you want running headers? Rules at the top of the page? ... Really, add this stuff if you need it: at the start concentrate on getting your text sorted.

Vrouvrou

18:18

i found in the and of each chapter a blank page what is the commande to remove this ?

Joseph Wright

@Vrouvrou The book class starts each chapter on an odd page: if you don't want that, use report

Vrouvrou

good thank you @JosephWright

please what is the use of \usepackage{caption}?

Joseph Wright

@Vrouvrou Allows easy customisation of float captions (figures, tables, ...)

Vrouvrou

ok so i don't need it

and

\usepackage{fancyhdr}
\usepackage[Bjornstrup]{fncychap}

Joseph Wright

@Vrouvrou fancyhdr is for doing running headers easily

@Vrouvrou I'd avoid fncychap

@Vrouvrou Really, don't start from a list of arbitrary packages, start from what you want/need for appearance, features, etc.

David Carlisle

18:34

@Vrouvrou don't start from a list of packages and guess if you need them, just wait until you need some formatting and then the answer may be to add a package.

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle What I said ;)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I was having a meal:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Good plan :)

Vrouvrou

thank you for your help

@DavidCarlisle

and

@JosephWright

how to obtain a line in the end of each page

David Carlisle

19:04

@Vrouvrou easiest is probably to use the fancyhdr package and set \footrulewidth see texdoc fancyhdr

Vrouvrou

19:42

thank you very much

barbara beeton

20:14

@Vrouvrou -- you can learn a lot from this reference: "Using LaTeX to Write a PhD Thesis"

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egreg

21:41

Wow, I got an upvote from @DavidCarlisle!

David Carlisle

@egreg no you didn't! (I have now, but your comment was earlier:-)

egreg

21:54

@DavidCarlisle And a bronze badge. :-P

David Carlisle

@egreg yes well i was doing my own answer the unanswered pass so picking up a few old questions:-)

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