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12:06 AM
@cfr I think I managed to handle it by using raggedright and raggedleft inside the definition of \glossentry, but I faced another problem with siunitx that I have just asked about it here tex.stackexchange.com/q/389976/2288
 
 
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cfr
1:27 AM
@barbarabeeton et al What am I supposed to use to align several series of inequalities, such that corresponding terms in each series get aligned? I'm trying to use align but I'm not even sure that's right.
 
@cfr Just one alignment point per line, or multiple?
 
cfr
@TorbjørnT. Multiple. Part of the problem is, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to align. Is it usual to have the terms aligned or the >/<s?
 
@cfr -- i'm pretty sure that array is what has been recommended, since then you have the ability to specify all of right, left and center. unfortunately, this laptop is so constrained that i don't even have the ability to do a search in tex.sx. but i'm positive this has been asked before,
 
I am sorry, can anyone give me a link to an example explaining how to run latexcount?
 
cfr
@barbarabeeton That's fine. Thank you. So then I align the terms and the inequalities?
 
1:31 AM
@cfr -- absolutely align the (in)equalities. but some people also align at every operator.
 
cfr
@barbarabeeton OK. Thanks. I don't think I have any operators. (In other cases, I do, but then I'm aligning on the in/equalities and I'm clearer how to do it. Or what to do it.) Thanks again.
 
1:45 AM
@DiaaAbidou In a terminal, perl latexcount filename.tex seems to work (with latexcount.pl in the working directory). You might want to try texcount though, which gives a more detailed rundown, and is included in TeX Live, so you can probably just run texcount filename.tex in a terminal.
 
2:08 AM
@TorbjørnT. Much appreciated
 
cfr
2:30 AM
@barbarabeeton Thanks. It still looks a mess, but for different reasons. Oh, well, it is aligned better, at least :-).
 
 
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6:04 AM
@cfr I'm getting curious on how your set of inequalities look, do you mind to show?
 
6:36 AM
@cfr align(ed)at (and using && as separator) I would guess but hard to know without an example.
@TorbjørnT. vv
$ texcount xii.tex

!!! Reached end of file while waiting for $. !!!

!!! Reached end of file while waiting for $$. !!!
File: xii.tex
Encoding: ascii
Words in text: 11
Words in headers: 0
Words outside text (captions, etc.): 0
Number of headers: 0
Number of floats/tables/figures: 0
Number of math inlines: 0
Number of math displayed: 1

(errors:2)
3
 
 
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8:23 AM
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
8:54 AM
Didn't know about texcount. So I tried it, and it threw a fit upon encountering $t_i\in[0,T$]. Sticking the bracket inside where it belongs cured that, and I am glad I found it, but it makes me wonder how it will cope with constructs like $t_i\in[0,T\mathclose[$, which is a notation favoured by some. Only one way to find out: Try it.
 
@cfr I rarely see alignment on operator, and mostly align on relations, a few times on binary operators. Generally I use the advise from Math into type when I edit manuscripts + I use \MoveEqLeft a LOT. Math into typo is on the AMS FTP server
 
… that worked like a charm. So why didn't it like the first one, then? Other examples of isolated right brackets in the text don't make difficulties, either. Is the parser somewhat fragile?
 
@daleif “Math into typo” – was that a Freudian slip? I like it!
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen the Danish LaTeX comminity wrote the interval package for that. I generally use that package when people use the ],[ syntax
@HaraldHanche-Olsen dang
Mathematics into type, that combined with the new guidelines @barbarabeeton was posting makes some good advise on structuring math.
I tend to add my own rules as well. For example that fences should be scaled to an extend that it is clear to the user what they fence, but not to such an extend that they dominate the expression. With the addendum that sometimes it is better that they go down in size going outward instead of always increasing.
 
9:05 AM
@daleif The interval package looks handy. I'll try to remember it.
 
9:19 AM
@daleif There was some discussion earlier on regarding the AMS FTP server, I think. My web browser (Vivaldi) can't access it, and I understand that many others don't, either. So I investigated, and found this on the wire:
220 ::ffff:130.44.204.20 FTP server ready
USER anonymous
331 Anonymous login ok, send your complete email address as your password
PASS chrome@example.com
230 Anonymous access granted, restrictions apply
SYST
215 UNIX Type: L8
PWD
550 PWD: Permission denied
QUIT
221 Goodbye.
Running curl from the command line, I see the same, but curl just ignores the error and moves on.
* Connected to ftp.ams.org (130.44.204.20) port 21 (#0)
< 220 ::ffff:130.44.204.20 FTP server ready
> USER anonymous
< 331 Anonymous login ok, send your complete email address as your password
> PASS ftp@example.com
< 230 Anonymous access granted, restrictions apply
> PWD
< 550 PWD: Permission denied
> CWD ams
* ftp_perform ends with SECONDARY: 0
< 250 CWD command successful
> CWD author-info
< 250 CWD command successful
> CWD documentation
< 250 CWD command successful
> CWD howto
(and so forth)
 
9:52 AM
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen my Firefox just don't care ;-) (not many people uses ftp these days)
 
@ChristianHupfer this is accurate. :)
 
10:07 AM
@PauloCereda I know... :D
 
@ChristianHupfer Now I want to make my cat wear a lab coat and googles.
 
@PauloCereda A nerdy cat then?
 
@ChristianHupfer to match the owner, yes. :)
 
@PauloCereda Ah yes, of course ... :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer By the look of the glasses, this is Elton John's cat. :)
 
10:10 AM
@PauloCereda It's a cat in a music lab ;-)
 
hi texchat
here's something for your eyes:
=P
 
@EmilioPisanty: Electrostatic field theory! Don't miss the Legendre Polynomials ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer oh, they're there
in typesetting so horrible you'd suspect it's on purpose, but they're there
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Q: What is the physical meaning of the terms in the multipole expansion?

RevoI have a few questions on multipole expansions and I have read about the topic in many places but could not find an answer to my questions, so please be patient with me. The electrostatic potential due to an arbitrary charge distribution $\rho(\textbf{r`})$ at a given point $\textbf{r}$ is given...

 
@EmilioPisanty Apparently the OP never has read neither Jackson's nor Griffith's book on Classical Electrodynamics ...
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen works with firefox
 
10:18 AM
@PauloCereda: And now for something completely different:
user image
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Darth Whiskers ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer this is your cat!
 
@PauloCereda I wish it would be my cat...
 
@ChristianHupfer This is the droid cat you are looking for.
 
@PauloCereda: Look at the eyes of the cat. He (I believe it's a tom cat) definitely seems to like it ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer :)
 
10:26 AM
@ChristianHupfer <3 <3 <3
 
11:21 AM
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@barbarabeeton ^^ to brighten up your day. :)
 
11:35 AM
@PauloCereda LOL
 
@PauloCereda They do remind me, sort of, of the illustrations for chapters 24 and 25 in the TeXbook.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen :)
 
12:23 PM
@EmilioPisanty Are you sure about the backquotes?
 
@samcarter You did not the source code for Yoda duck available make, did you?
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Clear your mind must be, if you are to find the source in the package documentation v0.4: mirrors.ctan.org/graphics/pgf/contrib/tikzducks/… page 16
 
12:40 PM
@samcarter Find it I did. May the quack be with you!
 
@egreg how do you mean?
Am I sure it's appropriate to change them to primes?
Yes, I'm sure.
 
@EmilioPisanty The back quotes print differently in the boldface case.
 
@egreg I still don't understand your point
Yes, they print differently. That's still wrong.
 
@EmilioPisanty I think @egreg perhaps believes that monstrosity is your work?
 
@EmilioPisanty Usually primes appear, not back quotes or opening quotes.
 
12:43 PM
@egreg uhhhh
Do click through
You'll find an edit where I clean up all them back quotes
 
@EmilioPisanty I see! I was referring to the image you posted.
 
@egreg I know. Not my work.
 
Not to mention the >>.
 
See the revision history of the link just below it.
 
1:41 PM
@PauloCereda LOL at the portrait/landscape pic! :)
 
@samcarter I think there should be no mask, but a ball and chain or a chain gang is a must and perhaps a cap with stripes. And @PauloCereda should underlay some sound e.g. youtube.com/watch?v=LQCooL_q91k (still missing the foolball sounds in the duck pond ...)
 
1:58 PM
@UlrikeFischer quack. :)
 
2:32 PM
Friends, quick Q:
 \declaretheorem[style=theorem,name=Teorema]{theorem}
Then I have this on my log file:
Package amsthm Warning: Unknown theoremstyle `theorem' on input line 26.
I cannot identify what I am missing here. :)
Ah I think it should be plain, am I correct? There's no theorem style!
D'oh, RTFM strikes again. :)
 
@PauloCereda You cannot use a style you don't have defined (or one that's predefined); plain is the standard.
 
@egreg I realized that too late. :) I am stoopid, sorry for the noise. :(
 
3:20 PM
@PauloCereda Oh, you have theorem(s) in your thesis? :)
 
@mickep Yes, or theories ... something about Brontosaurs, I think ;-) @PauloCereda ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer He could have tried on the mask, requested a mirror and asked Darth Sidious if it was available in other sizes/colours/styles - that would have been a convincing story arc!
@ChristianHupfer there are some visual similarities.
 
@samcarter Something like TikZ Wars ... in a node far far away ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer :) I think we once had a question how to place text like in the opening scene.
 
@samcarter I think, it got 5000 upvotes then...
 
3:27 PM
36
Q: "Star wars" text effect

user102082I would like to apply a transformation to some text so that it is slanted following a trapezoidal shape, such as the famous opening text of the Star Wars franchise: This seems tricky to do since it is not an affine transformation. I have tried googling around but without luck. Empty MWE: \do...

@ChristianHupfer Surprisingly few!
:39851220 That's what confuses me, but not my fault - I did my voting job :)
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen -- interesting. i had been led to believe that anonymous ftp had been shut down. what you've posted implies that maybe, if you know exactly what you're looking for, some attempts may actually succeed. i will investigate.
 
@ChristianHupfer which is mine. :)
 
@PauloCereda Mr. Paulo Elk ;-)
@samcarter: We need a duck with Elk horns ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer i.pinimg.com/736x/be/ed/78/… close enough?
 
@ChristianHupfer /coughs
 
3:39 PM
@samcarter Looks more like Reinducks ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Reinducks are used when santa claus sleigh has to land on water
 
@samcarter Don't be silly. Santa Clause is a myth, but Reinducks are real ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer SANTA ISN'T REAL?
/quacks in despair
 
@ChristianHupfer Page 6 of the documentation...
 
cfr
@mickep @DavidCarlisle The array suggestion by @barbarabeeton helped a lot. Unfortunately, I lose the numbering, but the alignment is definitely better, I think. Requested example:
\documentclass[a4paper,twocolumn]{article}
\usepackage{geometry}
\geometry{twoside,hmarginratio=1:1,hscale=.875,vscale=.85,vcentering,marginparwidth=20pt,marginparsep=4pt}
\usepackage{amsmath}

\begin{document}
\[
  \renewcommand\arraystretch{1.3}%
  \begin{array}{*{7}{c}}
    \Pr(A_a|B_1) & > & \Pr(A_a|B_2) & > & \dots{} & > & \Pr(A_a|B_s)  \\
    \multicolumn{7}{@{}l}{\text{short note}}\\
    1 & > & \frac{1}{2} & > & \dots{} & > & \frac{1}{s} \notag \\
    \multicolumn{7}{@{}p{\linewidth}@{}}{This is a long explanation which runs to more than a single line in two-column mode.}\\
 
3:46 PM
@samcarter I saw that... By the way, where's the Counter Wizard Duck? Nudge, Nudge (@PauloCereda)
@PauloCereda I didn't want to told you, but now, since you're old enough to write your thesis: Yes, Santa Clause isn't real ;-)
 
@egreg @DavidCarlisle are there any news about using xparse macros under hyperref (e.g. making them works with bookmarks, e.g. used inside \section and friends)
 
@ChristianHupfer on the next page :)
 
@cfr did you want numbering on each line originally?
 
@samcarter That are 'magic ducks', but where's the connection to the counter wizard? ;-)
 
@cfr I'd probably just have used alignat and some \intertext's and perhaps custom macros for <> (to add spaces)
 
3:49 PM
@cfr Thanks for the example. I will look at it when the kids are sleeping (it looks too dirty for them) ;)
 
@ChristianHupfer /sobs
@ChristianHupfer: for some odd reason, I am expecting @DavidCarlisle to say Santa is as real as my thesis. :)
 
ahh forget it alignat does not give centered cells.
 
cfr
@DavidCarlisle Originally, yes. Well, except the lines with \notag.
 
@daleif presumably expandable ones just work, non-expandable ones less so?
@PauloCereda more real
 
cfr
@daleif I'm really not used to typesetting maths. Logic, yes, but maths is not quite the same. Except recently, I don't seem able to escape it ;).
 
3:53 PM
@cfr I'd probably rethink it quite a bit and find a better interface. That code just ends up being nasty.
 
@ChristianHupfer The counter wizard is mentioned for eternity in a commit message :)
 
santa clause ∊ ℝ, whereas your thesis ∊ ℂ :-P
 
@DavidCarlisle I tried changing \NewDocumentCommand to just \NewExpandableDocumentCommand, which failed misrably. What are the internal requirements for such a macro to actually be expandable. Warning internally it will contain \ref
 
@samcarter I know that message ;-)
 
cfr
@daleif I agree it isn't very pretty. Very icky, in fact. But it does at least align things quite nicely.
 
3:56 PM
@cfr for some definition of nice. it almost looks like it is typeset using eqnarray (the spacing around the relations).
But actually it is, it is the same manner in which eqnarray works
 
\documentclass[a4paper,twocolumn]{article}
\usepackage{geometry}
\geometry{twoside,hmarginratio=1:1,hscale=.875,vscale=.85,vcentering,marginparwidth=20pt,marginparsep=4pt}
\usepackage{mathtools}

\begin{document}


\begin{alignat}{4}
    \Pr(A_a|B_1) & >  \Pr(A_a|B_2) && > \dots{} && >  \Pr(A_a|B_s)  \\
    \shortintertext{short note}
    1 & >  \frac{1}{2} && >  \dots{} && > \frac{1}{s} \notag \\
    \intertext{This is a long explanation which runs to more than a single line in two-column mode.}
 
cfr
@daleif 'Nice' is relative. It is nice relative to what it looked like before. The vertical spacing is not great either. (It doesn't match spacing in other cases which use \intertext in align etc.)
 
@cfr some variant of ^^
 
@DavidCarlisle My first thought, but now the fractions in the second row are not centered under the first line
But from the code point of view I'd use this as well
 
cfr
@DavidCarlisle Thanks. But is it better not to centre the terms under each other? I'd thought they should be centred.
@DavidCarlisle The reason I didn't ask a question on the main site originally was because I also didn't know what it should look like or what I should be trying to align. It 'looks' to me as if the terms should be centred and the inequalities aligned, but perhaps I'm mistaken about that.
 
4:15 PM
@cfr If you want that I made an answer somewhere that gave the possibility of specifying lrc alignment for ams alignments, I wonder if I can find it.....
 
@cfr: cwac!
 
cfr
@DavidCarlisle That would be great. I did search and found array in an answer by Mico, which was also what @barbarabeeton had suggested. But it gets quite icky and has no tags.
@PauloCereda <3
 
@cfr Did you see the tikzhwyadens package? :)
 
cfr
@PauloCereda Mae'r gath yn dweud 'cwac!' wrth y hwyaden.
 
@cfr ooh cats
 
cfr
4:18 PM
@PauloCereda Sam carter's?
 
@cfr yes! It's improving day by day!
 
cfr
@PauloCereda Yes! I updated TL specifically to pull it down.
 
@cfr Yay!
@cfr my favourites!
 
cfr
@PauloCereda The only problem is: now people want a cats package :(.
 
@cfr We definitely need one!
 
cfr
4:20 PM
@PauloCereda I like the football duck.
 
@cfr me too!
 
\documentclass[a4paper,twocolumn]{article}
\usepackage{geometry}
\geometry{twoside,hmarginratio=1:1,hscale=.875,vscale=.85,vcentering,marginparwidth=20pt,marginparsep=4pt}
\usepackage{mathtools}

\begin{document}

{\makeatletter
\def\align@preamble{%
   &\hfil
    \strut@
    \setboxz@h{\@lign$\m@th\displaystyle{{}##{}}$}%
    \ifmeasuring@\savefieldlength@\fi
    \set@field
     \hfil
    \tabskip\z@skip
   &\hfil\setboxz@h{\@lign$\m@th\displaystyle{{}##{}}$}%
    \ifmeasuring@\savefieldlength@\fi
@cfr ^^
 
cfr
@DavidCarlisle Thanks, but now the inequalities aren't aligned and the corresponding terms aren't aligned either.
 
@cfr oh do what I intended not what I did then:-) I'm going home, will be online later ping me if I forget :-) oh I missed out some & you need &>& for this not the ams style &> I see some where I havent added the extra ones
 
that should probably be \begin{alignat}{4} and && except for the first &
 
cfr
4:35 PM
@daleif Oh, I see. Thank you! && works for all of them, including the first, I think.
 
@cfr no, you have to be rather careful about these, or the alignment is wrong. I cannot quite get the >\dots> to look good
 
cfr
{\makeatletter
\def\align@preamble{%
   &\hfil
    \strut@
    \setboxz@h{\@lign$\m@th\displaystyle{{}##{}}$}%
    \ifmeasuring@\savefieldlength@\fi
    \set@field
     \hfil
    \tabskip\z@skip
   &\hfil\setboxz@h{\@lign$\m@th\displaystyle{{}##{}}$}%
    \ifmeasuring@\savefieldlength@\fi
    \set@field
    \hfil
    \tabskip\alignsep@
}

\begin{alignat}{4}
    \Pr(A_a|B_1) & >&  \Pr(A_a|B_2) & >& \dots{} & >&  \Pr(A_a|B_s)  \\
    \shortintertext{short note}
    1 & >&  \frac{1}{2} & >&  \dots{} & >& \frac{1}{s} \notag \\
 
IMO the dots are wrong
 
cfr
@DavidCarlisle ^^ That's not right? Alignment-wise, I mean? I see about the dots.
 
This seens to look better, also simpler code (I dropped the \intertext's for an easier code
\begin{alignat}{4}
\Pr(A_a|B_1) & > & \Pr(A_a|B_2) & > \dots > & \Pr(A_a|B_s) \\
1 & > & \frac{1}{2} & > \dots > & \frac{1}{s} \notag \\
\Pr(B_1|A_a) & > & \Pr(B_2|A_a) & > \dots > & \Pr(B_s|A_a) \\
\frac{1}{q} & < & \frac{1}{2q} & < \dots < & \frac{1}{sq} \notag \\
\frac{\Pr(B_1|A_a)}{\Pr(B_1)} & > & \frac{\Pr(B_2|A_a)}{\Pr(B_2)} & > \dots > & \frac{\Pr(B_s|A_a)}{\Pr(B_s)} \\
ahh, if the site did not eat spaces that code looked so nice in my Emacs
 
4:57 PM
@cfr, I think @daleif 's version looks fine.
 
cfr
@daleif So David's cod without two & around the \dots?
@daleif I'm trying to see what difference that makes. You did use \dots for that output?
 
@daleif boo. :) On a more serious note, if you selected fixed code, it might possible to preserve them. :)
 
cfr
@daleif I think \cdots improves them, but my output doesn't look like yours when I stick to just \dots.
@mickep Trouble is, my output doesn't look fine when I compile @daleif 's code :(. However, I think I've got a similar result using @DavidCarlisle's code and \cdots.
 
@cfr, OK, I did not test anything, just looked at the images. But I agree that the dots should be \cdots.
 
cfr
\documentclass[a4paper,twocolumn]{article}
\usepackage{geometry}
\geometry{twoside,hmarginratio=1:1,hscale=.875,vscale=.85,vcentering,marginparwidth=20pt,marginparsep=4pt}
\usepackage{mathtools,environ}
\makeatletter
\NewEnviron{alignatdc}[1]{%
  \def\align@preamble{% David Carlisle: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/39852841#39852841
     &\hfil
      \strut@
      \setboxz@h{\@lign$\m@th\displaystyle{{}####{}}$}%
      \ifmeasuring@\savefieldlength@\fi
      \set@field
       \hfil
 
5:08 PM
@daleif -- there must be some way to force the cells to be centered. (i've been experimenting, but haven't yet succeeded.)
 
cfr
@barbarabeeton You mean without @DavidCarlisle's code?
 
@cfr \dots becomes \cdots when it can see the < after it. I only cleaned Davids code a little.
 
cfr
@daleif Oh, I see. I thought I tried that, but obviously not.
 
@barbarabeeton Davids code works fine, I have No idea what it does.
My full code with the notes back in plus \kant
\documentclass[a4paper,twocolumn]{article}
\usepackage{geometry}
\geometry{twoside,hmarginratio=1:1,hscale=.875,vscale=.85,vcentering,marginparwidth=20pt,marginparsep=4pt}
\usepackage{mathtools,kantlipsum}

\begin{document}

{\makeatletter
\def\align@preamble{%
&\hfil
\strut@
\setboxz@h{\@lign$\m@th\displaystyle{{}##{}}$}%
\ifmeasuring@\savefieldlength@\fi
\set@field
\hfil
\tabskip\z@skip
&\hfil\setboxz@h{\@lign$\m@th\displaystyle{{}##{}}$}%
\ifmeasuring@\savefieldlength@\fi
\set@field
\hfil
\tabskip\alignsep@
@cfr I also removed the {} after \dots then it cannot see the > and determine its type
 
@daleif -- i hadn't yet seen david's code when i started experimenting. but i will take a look at it now. i will also take a look at yours. (i forced a space before the dots to make the spaces symmetrical on both sides.)
 
5:17 PM
@barbarabeeton I just removed some &'s seemed to work better then the >\dots> looks more natural
Cannot avoid it anymore, stayed a few extra hours at work to hopefully avoid this rain, but nope... Later....
 
@cfr i just got home, all working now?
 
cfr
@daleif Yes, I think I must have forgotten to do that. Anyway, it didn't work in my MWE, but I think it works in my real document ;).
@DavidCarlisle I think so, yes, thank you. I have more-or-less chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/39853834#39853834. I still have two & for the first one, though.
 
@daleif Oh, no! We do not want more rain from you :P (Take it easy down Ny Munkegade if you go by bike!)
 
5:36 PM
@JosephWright, @Johannes_B, @egreg, @DavidCarlisle, @daleif, @TorbjørnT., @ChristianHupfer and all great friends in the house, good evening.
 
@GideonEbelebe Good evening
 
@PauloCereda gd evening
 
@GideonEbelebe aloha!
 
@GideonEbelebe Bom dia
 
6:02 PM
@mickep luckily my home is in another direction, did not want to deal with that hill very day.
 
@daleif Good choice!
 
7:06 PM
@GideonEbelebe Nice to see you again here!
 
7:55 PM
I will be offline for a few days. Leaving Bahamas with a half-finished ship from drydock without satellite antenna to avoid the hurricane.
 
@StefanKottwitz Ooooh we'll miss you!
 
@CarLaTeX I will miss you and all too
 
@StefanKottwitz :) You have an adventurous life!
 
@StefanKottwitz -- be safe. hope you can outrun the storm.
 
8:17 PM
@barbarabeeton My original plan was to go back to Miami after the drydock in Bahamas. But Miami cannot move away, the ship does, so I'm pretty confident.
 
@StefanKottwitz -- even so, hope you don't get seasick. this one's a huge storm!
 
@barbarabeeton I have been frequently going to see since 18 years ;-) It's a special cruise though, since the ship had just 1 week of 4 planned weeks of drydock, so pretty much taken apart and temporarily fixed to be fit for sea.
 

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