@mickep Don Knuth playing "silent night": youtube.com/watch?v=WK1KLp1lAPg

@PauloCereda I'm very interested in the macro-expander with LuaTeX that you mentioned, when you're willing to share please let me know :-)

A question: I've asked a question about running xindy. Do I mix up the versioning if I say that TL17 ships with 2.5.1 and the project site talking about 2.2 is outdated? xindy --versions gives me also a xindy script version 1.18...

@TeXnician haven't used xindy in a long while but the system itself gives a rather confusing set of versions:

$ xindy --version
xindy release: 2.5.1
xindy script version: 1.18
xindy kernel version: 3.0
CLISP version 2.49.50 (2017-03-19) (built on desktop-new [192.168.1.4])
    architecture: X86_64

@TeXnician oh you mentioned the --version output already:-)

@DavidCarlisle Because of the error I get I do not even see kernel version and CLISP version....

@TeXnician oh I see you'd asked a question on site, I just left a link, note if you are compiling from source that thread mentions an option to skip ncurses dependency

@DavidCarlisle But the on-site question is mainly where the actual current xindy sources are...

@TeXnician I still have no idea what libncurses is, but I wouldn't trust infos on the project site, it is quite probable that they are wrong or outdated.

@UlrikeFischer Well, libncurses is a library file for ncurses, which is one option for developers to implement a comfortable command-line-interface for applications. The problem is that some distributions of Linux nowadays use more modern versions than the one xindy actually requires. And I do not seem to find any sources for the current versions of xindy.

@TeXnician Check the texlive sources. Or ask on the texlive list (or ask Akira ;-) ).

@UlrikeFischer Well, I'm trying to compile the whole texlive beast at the moment. To compile xindy alone seems quite hard without modifying all configure and makefiles.

> After century of dispute, the German alphabet just got a new character - The Local

> At the end of June, the German Spelling Council decided to add a capital ß (Eszett) to the language, bringing to an end a debate that had raged on in the world of German orthography since the 19th century.

Well, the race to bring the fonts in line begins!

@wilx I also read: Other changes to German writing made by the German Spelling Council at the end of June were the prohibition of certain “Germanized” ways of writing foreign words. So for instance Joga is now banned - only Yoga is permitted. And any German who writes Ketschup can expect a nasty red line to appear under the word - from now on only Ketchup is correct.

Does this also refers to spaghetti instead of the proposed spagetti?

@egreg everyone knows that the only proper spellings of the mentions words are jóga, catchup/kečup and špagety.

@yo' Of course!

espaguete!

@egreg anyway, ketschup is really awful.

@egreg I would retain the "spagetti" for anything that is not really spaghetti

@PauloCereda Al sugo d'anatra

@egreg oh no

@PauloCereda he's mean

@DavidCarlisle ooh let me try that

@egreg you are mean

<3

@ShreevatsaR Oh it's nothing huge. Since I have a chapter about lexical macros, I discuss the implementation of a simple macro expander. I wrote the code in pure Lua and I'd be glad to share my experiments with you.

@PauloCereda I bet you feel better now.

@PauloCereda I confidently expect this will get more votes than the grandma question in the end tex.stackexchange.com/a/380150/1090

@DavidCarlisle let the upvote begin. :)

@PauloCereda although gm is fighting back got another vote for that yesterday

@DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle Look at what has just come to my mind: tex.meta.stackexchange.com/q/7330/101651

@CarLaTeX I left an answer as a comment, although perhaps I should post it as the answer

@DavidCarlisle epic comment

@DavidCarlisle you must! LOL

@CarLaTeX If I find some time I'll answer in the evening

@Moriambar Great! Thank you!

@CarLaTeX I don't know whether I'll be able, though, it depends on my inspiration

@Moriambar There's no hurry! :):):)

@Moriambar see I learnt some SQL!

data.stackexchange.com/tex/query/694203/undeserved-acclaim

@DavidCarlisle nice

@Moriambar see some benefit of the \\ debacle:-)

@DavidCarlisle I was expecting a XSLT transformation

@PauloCereda that's just for xml geeks: real men use sql

@DavidCarlisle you are mean

$ cat  */*.xsl | wc -l
182179

@DavidCarlisle yup

@DavidCarlisle LOL

@PauloCereda ^^^

@DavidCarlisle I thought real men used elisp

@egreg no doubt you'll gain some sort of pleasure from running the above query

@Moriambar Nah, McCarthy's 60 Lisp. :)

@PauloCereda I don't know anything about lisp and similar languages: you could've said the same thing to me... also I may be able to escape the programming world in a couple of months... but I thought in @DavidCarlisle point of view elisp was the best

@Moriambar ooh

@Moriambar elisp is good but not very good at querying data exposed as an sql data dump:-) (and xslt has similar issues:-)

@DavidCarlisle I actually never used either (hopefully will never do) so I'll take your word on it

@DavidCarlisle You could use Clojure with a JDBC call. :)

@Moriambar well not very good as in doesn't work at all if you type elisp into the stackexchange data query box:-)

@DavidCarlisle: ooh this one is cooler: github.com/krisajenkins/yesql

@PauloCereda Im sure stackexchange have that enabled in the web view...

@DavidCarlisle ah, I see

@PauloCereda I gotta go... too much coding, I'm starting to feel nauseous

@Moriambar sorry. :)

@PauloCereda not your fault, but my job's. Hopefully not for much time as I said before

@Moriambar have a nice day, pal!

@PauloCereda you too! ps: have you had biscuits today?

@Moriambar I did! Chocolate this time!

This makes me feel better:

data.stackexchange.com/tex/query/694209/deserved-acclaim

@DavidCarlisle How about a Unicode tick near the name to display who got the accepted answer? :)

@yo' -- may still be slightly better than "catsup".

@PauloCereda nice

There is a whole world out there about which some of us know nothing.

Fedora 26 is here! Read the official announcement with
hyperlinks and fancy formatting and details and (especially)
thanks to the community at:

  fedoramagazine.org/fedora-26-is-here

or just go ahead and grab it from

  getfedora.org

Yaaaaaaaaaay!

@DavidCarlisle Did you compare with the result the other way round?

@barbarabeeton catsoup?

@yo' LOLOLOL

@UlrikeFischer yes scroll up a bit, I did the undeserved acclaim search first (as possible answers for @CarLaTeX's meta question)

@yo' -- precisely.

@barbarabeeton, @yo': youtube.com/watch?v=P2-1basQhX8

@PauloCereda :)

@yo' LOL

@DavidCarlisle Great! I see you're doing the task very scientifically LOL

@DavidCarlisle: randomascii.wordpress.com/2017/07/09/…

Weird problem: I have a document that uses a .bbx style that is in my local texmf folder: /Users/alan/Library/texmf/tex/latex/biblatex/biblatex-sp-unified.bbx. This is what kpsewhich finds. But when I compile my document with xelatex it tries to load /usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/xelatex/langsci/biblatex-sp-unified.bbx which has a bug and the document fails. If I compile with lualatex it works. I thought the local version always wins. What's up with that?

@AlanMunn the faulty one is in tex\xelatex and this is searched (with xelatex) in all trees (!) before tex\latex. So you will have to put your version in a tex\xelatex branch too.

@AlanMunn See also tex.stackexchange.com/questions/79968/…

@AlanMunn if it is not their stuff they should probably better rename the file.

@UlrikeFischer Well, they intend it to be the same file, but I guess they don't want to have people install it manually which is why they've included a private copy. But of course then the bug fixes don't get fixed as simply.

@AlanMunn private copies have a tendency to no longer be copies when the original changes. If there are no willing to keep the files in sync they shouldn't keep the name.

@UlrikeFischer Yes of course, but the better solution would be to get them to remove it entirely and have the actual maintainer upload to CTAN. I'm friends with him, so I'll go that route.

Calibri, a font that was created in 2004 and made default option on PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and WordPad by Microsoft in 2007, is currently sitting at the center of a corruption investigation involving Pakistan's Prime Minister, Nawaz Sharif. From a report: Accused of illegally profiting from his position since the 1990s, Sharif is now under investigation by the Joint Investigative Team -- a collective of Pakistani police, military, and financial regulators -- after a treasure trove of evidence surfaced with 2016's release of The Panama Papers. In a report obtained by Al Jazeera, investi…

@ShreevatsaR Thanks! I wonder how it is possible that the youtube clip you linked to has only 92 views at the moment!?

> Unfortunately for the Nawaz family, type experts today confirmed the documents were written in Calibri, a font that wasn't available until 2007.

@PauloCereda Did you also see the StackExchange question about that?

@PauloCereda if I can select the font menu in acrobat, am I a font expert too?

@DavidCarlisle Only if you can do it using expl3.

@mickep Actually, by now I have seen quite a few Knuth videos on Youtube that have 2-digit number of views :-) I found it accidentally while searching for something.

@mickep nope, link?

@DavidCarlisle Or pdfinfo in the command line, it looks more hackerish.

@PauloCereda my first thought was pdffonts but was too technical for the suggestion. i wonder how much you could claim in court fees for reading the font list from a pdf file..

@DavidCarlisle One for the LuaTeX list. :)

@PauloCereda Hm, saw it on the hot questions network in the app on my mobile a while ago, I don't even remember on what site it was asked (It was not on TeX.SE)

@mickep oh no worries, I will take a look.

@barbarabeeton vv

@egreg you narrowed it down to ssty are you up for making a plain tex example to take to luatex list?

@PauloCereda @DavidCarlisle @JosephWright The luatex crashing TeXShop problem I mentioned earlier has been fixed with the latest version of TeXShop. The problem was with synctex code that had been changed.

@DavidCarlisle You're the expert with that list. I did experiments with various base font size: it's the same with 10pt or even 17pt (and the extarticle class).

@egreg I don't mind sending mail but (at least at this time of night) I wouldn't have got as far as saying it was related to ssty what did you see to say that was an issue?

@DavidCarlisle One has to set up all math.

@DavidCarlisle Here it is:

\input luaotfload.sty

\Udelcode`(="3 `(
\Udelcode`)="3 `)

\font\symbolsA="STIXTwoMath:mode=base;script=math;language=DFLT;" at 8.99986pt
\font\extsymbolsA="STIXTwoMath:mode=base;script=math;language=DFLT;" at 9.00014pt

\font\symbolsB="STIXTwoMath:mode=base;script=math;language=DFLT;+ssty=0;" at 8.99986pt
\font\extsymbolsB="STIXTwoMath:mode=base;script=math;language=DFLT;+ssty=0;" at 9.00014pt

\textfont2=\symbolsA
\textfont3=\extsymbolsA

$$
\left(a\over b\right)
$$\showlists

\textfont2=\symbolsB

@DavidCarlisle Probably \textfont2 is irrelevant

@DavidCarlisle Better yet, a comparison with XeTeX

\input ifxetex.sty

\ifxetex
  \font\extsymbolsA="STIX Two Math/OT:script=math;language=DFLT;"
  \font\extsymbolsB="STIX Two Math/OT:script=math;language=DFLT;+ssty=0;"
\else
  \input luaotfload.sty
  \font\extsymbolsA="STIXTwoMath:mode=base;script=math;language=DFLT;"
  \font\extsymbolsB="STIXTwoMath:mode=base;script=math;language=DFLT;+ssty=0;"
\fi

\Udelcode`(="3 `(
\Udelcode`)="3 `)

\textfont3=\extsymbolsA
$$
\left(a\over b\right)
$$

\textfont3=\extsymbolsB
$$
\left(a\over b\right)
$$

\bye

Compiling with XeTeX yields the correct result

With XITS Math instead of STIX Two Math the problem disappears.

@egreg ah thanks I'll compare, meanwhile I'd made this but it works

\input{luaotfload.sty}

\font\STIXMxii=file:STIX2Math.otf at 12pt
\font\STIXMxi=file:STIX2Math.otf  at 11pt
\font\STIXMx=file:STIX2Math.otf   at 10pt
\font\STIXMix=file:STIX2Math.otf   at 9pt
\font\STIXMvii=[STIX2Math.otf]:mode=base;script=math;language=DFLT;+ssty=0; at 7pt % closer to unicode-math version
\font\STIXMv=file:STIX2Math.otf at 5pt

\textfont0=\STIXMxii
\scriptfont0=\STIXMix
\scriptscriptfont0=\STIXMv

$\expandafter\show\the\textfont0 \left({a\over b}\over c\right)$


\textfont0=\STIXMvii

@DavidCarlisle You didn't set the delimiter code

@DavidCarlisle Meanwhile you could upvote my brilliant workaround

@DavidCarlisle It might be a question of metrics, though: the other delimiters seem to work well.

@egreg yep realised that as soon as I shut the machine down:-) thanks

@egreg I'm not so tired to fall for such a silly suggestion

Been using the labelcas package for some time in this part of my thesis class, but now it's deprecated and no longer in TeX Live. Any easy successors to labelcas?

@MikeRenfro If it's obsolete, it might be easiest to add the code to your class. Is it something that is likely to have ongoing bugs fixed?

Been working forever. So probably could just copy it over. Need to better document what I was doing with it, but it probably has to do with deciding which of three different headings to use on the tocloft pages.