TeX, LaTeX and Friends

manucpp

05:31

Good morning guys! What's up?

CarLaTeX

05:58

@manucpp Good afternoon!

manucpp

06:16

@CarLaTeX Good morning! btw, what time is it where you are?

Joseph Wright

06:53

@DavidCarlisle Quack U+1F986 ;)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright honk

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :)

CarLaTeX

@manucpp 9:04 a.m.

Skillmon

07:52

I have a question regarding TikZ: By default stuff is printed in order of the commands given. Is it possible to draw something which is always in background even if called last?

mickep

@Skillmon Maybe you look for the backgrounds library? (see this question)

Skillmon

08:22

Thank you very much @mickep.

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Seent he TL list thread about multiple dots in graphic names?

Ulrike Fischer

08:39

@JosephWright I can confirm what you are saying: it didn't work in older TL either. I also tried the multidot option of grffile and it worked fine. But during this tests I noticed warnings when compiling with xelatex:

Package grffile Warning: \Gread@QTm of xetex.def not found on input line 259.


Package grffile Warning: Unsupported \Gread@eps not patched on input line 303.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Yes, that's my 'we might need to alter grffile' comment

Joseph Wright

08:51

@UlrikeFischer Oh, I see: that's to do with the fact that we changed them, but I added support for spaces in names anyway so the patch is no longer needed

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright I could add an issue to the oberdiek tracker, then the oberdiek support team could take over ;-)

@DavidCarlisle ^^^^what do you think?

David Carlisle

09:41

@UlrikeFischer good plan, especially the east anglian part of that support team would be happy to pick that up

@JosephWright just saw that but in a meeting all morning, juts on coffee break now:-) can't look until the weekend probably

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Cool

@DavidCarlisle I'm interviewing all day

Paulo Cereda

10:30

@JosephWright Goooood niiiiiiiiight ding-a-ling-ding-ding

Paulo Cereda

11:16

Thankfully I avoided SP today. The city's services are mostly on strike today.

yo'

@UlrikeFischer don't they wear the Z particles?

@PauloCereda oh!

Paulo Cereda

@yo' Strikes are not common, but once in a while they happen. And in case of SP, the city almost literally stops!

yo'

@PauloCereda I know that from France, just here it's the other way around: the city can't stop, so it moves anyway, just in a much more crazy way

Paulo Cereda

@yo' ooh :)

Ulrike Fischer

11:48

@yo' Do they? Are they acquaintances of @DavidCarlisle?

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer ooh

yo'

@UlrikeFischer I think we all are polygamous if Z particles count :-)

Paulo Cereda

Zorro

Google never ceases to amaze me.

yo'

@PauloCereda Then be happy you are in a country where Google works

Paulo Cereda

@yo' oh :(

Ulrike Fischer

12:11

@PauloCereda google only finds such web pages. I'm more a amazed that someone creates them. Did you saw the duck show tv? I liked the crime scene ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer ooh a TV show? I haven't seen it

manucpp

12:55

Hey @UlrikeFischer. May I have a conversation here regarding tex.stackexchange.com/questions/377338/…

Ulrike Fischer

13:19

@manucpp Yes, but I don't have much time currently.

manucpp

@UlrikeFischer oh ok... later than. I will leave a comment on that question.

Joseph Wright

15:21

@DavidCarlisle A tiny bit annoyed, perhaps?

Some other studio should do the Antz/A Bug's Life thing and release The Dingbats Movie at the same time.

David Carlisle

15:37

@JosephWright :-)

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Didn't say I was going to compile MacTeX from source

@DavidCarlisle Take that as a 'yes'

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Didn't say I was wishing you good luck. :)

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn True

Paulo Cereda

Meanwhile, more biscuits.

David Carlisle

15:58

@JosephWright I wasn't sure if you were asking if I was annoyed or if Randall Munroe was

Christian Hupfer

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Alan Munn

@egreg If older binaries are being compiled, it's a shame that they aren't able to be installed with MacTeX with the proviso that the older machines won't install any of the GUI programs. But I can understand the decision to streamline the work. And very few people are running Lion I suspect.

egreg

@AlanMunn The problem, as I can see it, is the Installer itself.

Alan Munn

@egreg Yes, I suspected that might be the issue.

@egreg I was looking to package some scripts for a student, but the old package maker doesn't even exist any more in XCode. Everything is oriented towards being installed through the App Store.

@egreg I finally gave up and just installed the stuff by hand on her machine.

TeXnician

16:58

@ChristianHupfer :D

Johannes_B

17:12

@ChristianHupfer golatex.de/vorlage-bachelor-masterarbeit-t19350,start,10.html

TeXnician

@Johannes_B Great template.

Johannes_B

@TeXnician Merci beaucoup :-)

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B Gracias!

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda seja bem-vindo

David Carlisle

17:28

@JosephWright tex.stackexchange.com/questions/377610/…

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Yes, saw that

@DavidCarlisle Won't be wrong for long ;)

CarLaTeX

... and after an afternoon spent aligning objects in a PowerPoint presentation, let me waste some time on TeX.SE!

@PauloCereda <3

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B ooh

CarLaTeX

@TeXnician Wow!

Paulo Cereda

@CarLaTeX <3

TeXnician

17:31

@CarLaTeX Why is it wow that I like Johannes' template?

CarLaTeX

@TeXnician No, for your reputation!

TeXnician

@CarLaTeX Oh well, thanks. Only about 2200 and I got you ;)

Paulo Cereda

@CarLaTeX: the most amazing thing about that duck photo is that no one noticed this:

Sacred bleu!

There's a cheese too

CarLaTeX

@TeXnician You'll get me soon, I've been here for more than a year, you for only few months!

@PauloCereda A French painter duck eating cheese LOL

Paulo Cereda

@CarLaTeX Someday I will have him in my collection. :)

TeXnician

17:39

@CarLaTeX Right, but let's wait. Maybe you'll become something egreg-like eating all rep points before one can get them ;)

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda You must! LOL

Paulo Cereda

The Pink Panther (9/12) Movie CLIP - I Would Like to Buy a Hamburger (2006) HD

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CarLaTeX

@TeXnician I think I won't become @egreg-like even in 100 years LOL

@PauloCereda I'm on the bus, I can't watch it now!

Paulo Cereda

@CarLaTeX ooh

TeXnician

@CarLaTeX Only about 6000 rep per year and you would have him (provided egreg stops answering).

Paulo Cereda

17:45

“If your code needs comments, consider refactoring it so it doesn’t.” - Kevlin Henney

Tweeted by CodeWisdom on June 30, 2017 at 5:01 PM

@DavidCarlisle ^^ this sounds suspiciously like you. :)

TeXnician

@PauloCereda He didn't know about percent signs at line ends! All those spurious spaces...

Paulo Cereda

@TeXnician github.com/davidcarlisle/dpctex/commit/…

@egreg ah the memories ^^ :)

TeXnician

@PauloCereda I'm missing @DavidCarlisle's famous typos!

Ulrike Fischer

18:03

@CarLaTeX Please, would you consider to make a video with Professore van Duck for Mönchengladbach as @paulocereda did? https://unsertraum2024.de/? It would be so much fun ;-)))). I can offer a script (you can change it or translate it to italian):
"I am Professore Paulinho van Duck. I live and work in Milan at Carla's place. I'm not really interested in football, but I want to visit Mönchengladbach. They have a herd of bronze donkeys and a wonderful little zoo with lots of ducks. I'd love to meet all of them. If Mönchengladbach should become venue of the Euro 2024, may be Carla will go the…

Paulo Cereda

YEEEEEEEEEEES

Ulrike Fischer

@PauloCereda YEESS poke her too ;-)

CarLaTeX

@UlrikeFischer I'll try but I'm a bit clumsy in doing videos :$

Ulrike Fischer

@CarLaTeX That would be great. And your slide shows were so good, I'm sure you will make a neat one. @PauloCereda they added a button to share the videos (on the top beside the title). So now it is easier to share them.

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer ooh! :)

@UlrikeFischer: I wonder if the townpeople think I am wacky. :)

Ulrike Fischer

18:16

@PauloCereda This one says that we have to eat and drink (and a place to sleep) in Mönchengladbach: youtube.com/watch?v=NmGBLzfLgFI

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer ooh

Christian Hupfer

18:55

@Johannes_B The usual template ~~master piecer~~ rubbish, I assume?

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer No, great stuff :-)

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B I won't look

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer, @barbarabeeton As the großes Eszett is now in official spelling, I wonder if there is a better name for this variant in my expandable case changer than de-alt ...

barbara beeton

@JosephWright -- what's the name for the lowercase form? and how are, say, the eth and thorn named, upper- and lowercase? that could be a model.

Paulo Cereda

Das Vatereszett <3

@Johannes, @ChristianHupfer, @TeXnician, @samcarter, @UlrikeFischer: ^^ please forgive me

Christian Hupfer

19:06

@PauloCereda ???

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer My take on how to call an uppercase Eszett. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda There's too much focus on this letter ;-)

Joseph Wright

@barbarabeeton Ah, I don't mean the char itself ;)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda I've have not met a situation where I would have needed an uppercase ß yet

Paulo Cereda

19:09

@ChristianHupfer You can use \Beta for that. :D

Joseph Wright

@barbarabeeton For the case changer, I've set up to accept a language argument, which will allow for 'non-standard' changes but could also be set because of other things. So \tl_upper_case:nn { de } { Straße } should presumably be the same as \tl_upper_case:n { Straße }. So the 'use the großes Eszett version has a different name, which is currently de-alt ('alternative'). Seems a bit weak ...

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda I read that starred chat line of you already. I am prepared for not being annoyed :-P

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer <3

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Reading your call for papers ...

barbara beeton

@ChristianHupfer -- unfortunately, we did yesterday. (gau{\ss}stra{\ss}e) in an author address that needs to be set in small caps. three s's in a row looks pretty awful, but it is apparently the historically correct rendering. sigh.

Joseph Wright

19:11

@PauloCereda Planning to try out a regex talk at UK-TUG in the autumn, plus will update the l3build one

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright oh :)

@JosephWright Awesome!

barbara beeton

@JosephWright -- "de nova". (that's not meant seriously. i'll keep thinking.)

Joseph Wright

@barbarabeeton Maybe 'alt' is OK: it is a stylistic alternative ...

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda There were two Peanuts walking down der STRAßE ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer LOL

Joseph Wright

19:14

@barbarabeeton I'm imagining long-term we might expect language to be 'passed around' with text, so it's quite possible that the language might be a case-changing no-op

Christian Hupfer

@barbarabeeton That's annoying misuse of typography, requiring addresses to be set in small caps then ;-)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda I will be annoying and want to do live demos ...

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda one was aßaulted one ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer German snakes go hißßßßßßßßßßßßßß

@JosephWright ooh

Joseph Wright

@ChristianHupfer /groan

Johannes_B

19:16

@barbarabeeton You could do Gauszstraße. </hiding>

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Sneaky

David Carlisle

@JosephWright so I suppose I should look through the other ho-tex issues and contenplatd making a new release

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle It's only a warning but I guess

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer FUẞBALL

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B For some period Gausz was the correct spelling of Gauß...

Johannes_B

19:17

@JosephWright But allowed.

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Heiko should learn about Git submodules ... (was looking as it might be handy longer-term with various L3 things)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright not sure he has access to the git repo:-)

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Oh, sure: ß is 'interesting' in that regard

@DavidCarlisle :)

Stefan Kottwitz

@Johannes_B Call me ẞtefan

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barbara beeton

@ChristianHupfer -- can't help it. it's the house style, and has been since at least 1900. (just checked a paper copy of a 1900 journal. there are older ones, but not as easy to put my hands on.)

Johannes_B

19:18

@JosephWright I had a furious discussion with friends about UPPERCASE. They will never forget why there should be ẞ.

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B NEIN UPPERCASE

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda Sí

Christian Hupfer

@barbarabeeton Time for a revolution then ;-)

barbara beeton

@Johannes_B -- actually, there's some logic to that, so i won't throw anything.

Stefan Kottwitz

@Johannes_B do we have ẞ with various accents?

Paulo Cereda

19:20

@StefanKottwitz poliglot penguin

Johannes_B

@barbarabeeton I had a drivers learning handbook in my hands the other day. About 1920? Crazy

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B ooh Volkswagen, das Auto.

Johannes_B

@StefanKottwitz Guess not. Who needs accents?

:-)

barbara beeton

@ChristianHupfer -- not by me. too close to retirement, and i want to go on my own terms. but i may incite the new kids on the block.

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda VW Gol? A car i haven't seen before?

Paulo Cereda

19:22

@Johannes_B Come next year and you will see lots!

barbara beeton

@Johannes_B -- wouldn't tell you much useful about current engine maintenance. maybe how to patch a tyre.

David Carlisle

ẞ̊̊̊̊̊̊̊̊̊̊

Johannes_B

@barbarabeeton It was very interesting though. We don't have this road signs anymore. And nobody needs to know what the inner parts of the car really do. Drive, get aa license. Nothing more.

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B accents are good

Johannes_B

Parking is also important.

barbara beeton

19:24

oh, nasty word, nasty word! while i'm reading this, i get a banner message on my workstation that the principal linux box i've been doing things on all day is "unavailable"! hope they didn't lose any of my updates in the crash.

Stefan Kottwitz

@PauloCereda I still look for an expandable car.

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda Too expensive :-(

@DavidCarlisle Just the right ones :-)

Paulo Cereda

@StefanKottwitz Honda Fit. :)

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- is that supposed to be a candle to light, either in penance or for celebration?

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B We all need this:

Stefan Kottwitz

19:26

@PauloCereda Designed with TikZ fit library around tikzpeople nodes?

David Carlisle

Paulo Cereda

@StefanKottwitz That's Opel/Chevrolet Spin.

Christian Hupfer

Johannes_B

:38487863 beta with distorted satans s horns?

David Carlisle

@StefanKottwitz ^^

Christian Hupfer

19:27

@Johannes_B Yes...

Paulo Cereda

You guys could add a inverted cedilla on top of this Beta thingy. :)

barbara beeton

@Johannes_B -- hmmm. well, when i drove across the country umpteen years ago in a two-cycle, three-cylinder saab, i did need to know how to rejet the carburetor for every 4000 ft rise in elevation. now i need to know how to call a flatbed to deliver my chariot to a mechanic.

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Can i get a cup of coffee instead?

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- needs a hinge in the middle.

Johannes_B

@barbarabeeton I have troube finding the parking brake on new cars.

Stefan Kottwitz

19:28

@DavidCarlisle I guess my car has to expand vertically (\vspace*{\fill}) seen the parking situation here in Hamburg.

Ulrike Fischer

@PauloCereda That discriminating. It should be Mothereszett.

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Eh... no ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer oh no, apologies. :)

David Carlisle

Stefan Kottwitz

Is there a vertical stretch limo?

David Carlisle

19:29

@barbarabeeton ^^

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle we have some of them here, it's spooky

barbara beeton

@Johannes_B -- just find an old railroad tie, and shove it in front or back of the wheels, whichever is more appropriate for the slope. or just don't park on hills.

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle A typical German bus in cities

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda How much bhp does a VW Gol have?

barbara beeton

@StefanKottwitz -- ever seen a tour bus stopped/stuck because it was too tall for a tunnel?

Johannes_B

19:31

@barbarabeeton I also have trouble finding the lane assistent or parking assistent. I just do what i would do with a normal car.

David Carlisle

Volkswagen Gol

The Volkswagen Gol is a subcompact car that has been manufactured by Volkswagen do Brasil since 1980 as Volkswagen's entry-level car in the Latin American market—where it succeeded the Volkswagen Type 1 (Fusca) and the VW Brasilia. Several variants of the Gol were marketed in North America as the Volkswagen Fox from 1987 to 1993. The Gol has been produced in several versions, such as three- and five-door hatchbacks, four-door sedans (the Volkswagen Voyage), three- and five-door station wagons (the Volkswagen Parati), and two-door coupé utilities (the Volkswagen Saveiro). The Gol was the best-selling...

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B I don't know, people here go with the cilynder volume. Gols go from 1.0 to 1.8, I guess.

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer there are none in Oxford, I seem to remember they tried it but it didn't work:-)

Alan Munn

@barbarabeeton This reminds me of this: 11foot8.com

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle "Didn't work" is no precise description ;-)

Johannes_B

19:33

@DavidCarlisle Dumpster stuff :-(

Stefan Kottwitz

@barbarabeeton Yes, MTU issues with tunnels (the additional IP packet overhead)

barbara beeton

@Johannes_B -- never actually heard of a "lane assistant". (i learned how to parallel park from an article in a math journal. that wasn't part of the driver training in massachusetts when i got my license.)

Alan Munn

Another rental truck bites the dust at the 11foot8 bridge

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Johannes_B

@barbarabeeton Driving, beeing tired, leaving the land and the car goes crazy (either beeping or vibrating the steering wheel).

@barbarabeeton Driving normally through short country bends with the occasional drift to the side the system is just annoying.

barbara beeton

@AlanMunn -- how jolly! some drivers need to learn to read.

Alan Munn

19:36

@barbarabeeton It's more that just reading, too, there's a flashing light that comes on if you're over height an everything, but people persist or don't notice.

barbara beeton

@Johannes_B -- does sound annoying. well, i've been in situations where i had no choice but to do something unorthodox, just to get through. but sometimes, the warning in one's own car would likely be drowned out by the sound of the horns of the surrounding cars.

Johannes_B

@barbarabeeton HUP HUP HUP :-)

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B CUIDADO, LLAMAS

Johannes_B

translation: Honk Honk Honk

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer ^^

Johannes_B

19:39

No uppercase :)

Alan Munn

And just in case everyone thinks this is the crazy Americans, version française.

barbara beeton

@AlanMunn -- this sign is charming: s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/41/da/28/…

Alan Munn

@barbarabeeton I hope this is photoshop.

barbara beeton

@AlanMunn -- i don't think so. google for "bridge out sharp edges".

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn: speaking of French: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/38484863#38484863

Alan Munn

19:45

@PauloCereda Beret funny.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn :D

barbara beeton

@AlanMunn -- while you're here, i'll jump the gun and wish you happy canada day.

Alan Munn

@barbarabeeton Thanks. :)

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Happy Canada day too from me!

unicode.org/consortium/adopt-a-character.html

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda @barbarabeeton It's a big year this year the sesquicentennial, although admittedly there is a certain difficulty with that kind anniversary.

@PauloCereda Are you going to adopt a duck?

Paulo Cereda

19:55

@AlanMunn Too expensive, bronze starts at $100!

Alan Munn

@barbarabeeton Still not convinced about the sign. All the google references are pretty circular.

@PauloCereda All of these papers need colons in the titles, otherwise they'll never get published.

barbara beeton

@AlanMunn -- take a look at the picture gallery. if someone photoshopped it, they sure did work hard. not all are identical.

@AlanMunn -- but that's a job for the copyeditor (in some disciplines).

Alan Munn

@barbarabeeton I was referring more to this phenomenon.

barbara beeton

20:13

@AlanMunn -- fascinating! i'm not sure it applies in quite the same way in math, but i could be mistaken. (although actual math in titles is discouraged, both colon and exclamation mark have distinct math meanings, so could throw off the statistics.) i think i'll send this to the math reviews editor (who used to be an acquisitions editor in the providence office), and ask.

Paulo Cereda

22:43

@AlanMunn Oh my!

@AlanMunn Amusing!

egreg

@PauloCereda Writing a PhD thesis: a report on the effects of procrastination

Paulo Cereda

23:07

@egreg good title!

egreg

@PauloCereda It has a colon, so it's a good thesis.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg :)

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