TeX, LaTeX and Friends

Is anybody here who uses Miktex and can have a look at this question?

@Skillmon I think it will be a version issue: we just need a full listing. Could be the driver updates: there are still a few issues I'm tidying up.

@JosephWright thanks for helping me out :) (I already saw your comment)

7:50 AM

@Moriambar I think I have cleared 2011 off data.stackexchange.com/tex/query/684580/… (as I did 2011 before a lot of teh edit links were shown as visited so I just skipped past them)

@DavidCarlisle great thanks. Unfortunately I'm a bit busy these nights planning the visit to the museum (actually all there is to go there). But I think I'll be able to do april, march and feb of the prev query, thus concluding that one.

@Moriambar just get as far as you want to do and let me know the date and then if you haven't reached where I stopped at january, I'll fill in the gap:-)

@Skillmon I can try later but I looked yesterday a bit in the booklet code and thought it is probaly an order problem.

8:06 AM

@UlrikeFischer for me loading booklet first and graphicx second worked fine.

@DavidCarlisle OK.

@DavidCarlisle Ah, Incidentally yesterday evening I put up a small query and cleared all the posts with null owner user id. I thought those could come back and bite us in the rear if we forgot them :) (there were only 30 or so)

I think after the double backslash I should take a break from TeX.SE which is becoming kind of a drug :P

@Moriambar perhaps the staff will replace every zz by z and give us more edits to do (lots of important posts would be affected by that)

8:23 AM

@DavidCarlisle this would apply vvv

14 hours ago, by Moriambar

@PauloCereda if there is another collation problem I will ƒ@##øß† ki¬∑ the powers if they do nothing

@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright there seems to be a strange error in the latest gfx update, perhaps a sporious space? MWE:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{listings}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\begin{document}
\setlength{\fboxsep}{0pt}
\fbox{\includegraphics[width=.5\linewidth]{myError}}
\fbox{\includegraphics[width=.5\linewidth]{myError-eps-converted-to}}%
\end{document}

@daleif Yes, I'm working on it

Here I copied example-image-4x3.eps from mwe as myError.eps

@JosephWright thanks

8:49 AM

@daleif Found it!

@DavidCarlisle Another release today, I guess

@daleif I'll send to CTAN later on: will wait to see if there is anything else ...

@JosephWright seems that way:-)

@Skillmon Try with latex + dvips +ps2pdf. Without some details about the compilation method it will be difficult to say if this is the source of the problem (and if is it the source then it will be not easy to debug/find a work around as the way dvips handles pages sizes has changed and so booklet probably has code based on wrong assumption.)

@JosephWright out of curiosity what was it? I was trying to look my self, but it was spread over too many files.

@daleif github.com/latex3/graphics-def/commit/…

9:07 AM

@DavidCarlisle sigh, spaces are annoying

9:17 AM

@UlrikeFischer you're right, the latex + dvips + ps2pdf route does result in the described error (I only tested pdflatex).

@Skillmon Yes, but it fails with and without graphics. So it is unclear if this is really the source of the problem of the OP.

@UlrikeFischer I guess it is, but yes we can't be sure about that without the OP's answer.

10:13 AM

Yay, cake!

SBM

oh hello

10:25 AM

@PauloCereda wow

@DavidCarlisle Thanks for editing many of my answers recently. I assume this due to a bug on this site?

@Dr.ManuelKuehner yes they corrupted over 7000 postings :(

@DavidCarlisle Well, sh*t!

Q: Double backslashes disappear from code

@Dr.ManuelKuehner and haven't thought fit to provide any tools to fix them...

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Not the first time it happens on the site, so it's time to raise the problem in Meta. It is similar, but distinct from ‘double backslash + newline’ collapses to ‘single backslash’ when I hit ‘edit’ (Nov 26 '10); what happens is that code with lines ending with \\ gets randomly transformed, witho...

10:40 AM

@DavidCarlisleThanks for the information. I will read the provided link. Great that you (and others I presume) are willing to fix it.

Q: Community effort in fixing the double backslashes issue

@Dr.ManuelKuehner this one here: :)

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First things first, the background for this meta thread is the following issue reported by Enrico Gregorio (egreg) in the beginning of the year (January 11, 2017): Double backslashes disappear from code Since then, a lot of users (from high ranked to newbies) are devoting a significant part...

discussion

@PauloCereda Just upvoted... :)

@Dr.ManuelKuehner <3

11:25 AM

@percusse: Sir, it had to be done:

\documentclass[margin=0.5cm]{standalone}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage{tikz}
\usepackage{tgpagella}

\begin{document}
\begin{tikzpicture}[y=0.80pt, x=0.80pt, yscale=-1.000000, xscale=1.000000, inner sep=0pt, outer sep=0pt]
  \path[draw=black,line join=miter,line cap=round,miter limit=4.00,even odd
    rule,line width=0.800pt] (63.8219,102.9579) .. controls (64.6649,85.7027) and
    (58.7975,63.9555) .. (72.0333,55.7216) .. controls (80.7778,50.2817) and
    (97.7275,51.3392) .. (96.1204,55.4485) .. controls (95.0678,58.1400) and

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<3

11:50 AM

@egreg ooh <3

@PauloCereda I wonder whom they're referring to.

@egreg Me too! :)

@egreg I wondered that as well

@DavidCarlisle Maybe you'll get an idea while lunching with a pineapple pizza

12:03 PM

@egreg true, a good meal always helps concentration.

CarLaTeX

12:35 PM

Are you talking about pineapple pizza without me? :):):)

@CarLaTeX yes, we talk, you eat

(sounds like I tarzan, you jane) lol

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@DavidCarlisle @PauloCereda and @egreg: I think, it is clearer now;-)

CarLaTeX

@Moriambar I was eating, actually (not a pineapple "pizza", of course)

@CarLaTeX =)

@CarLaTeX It's a secret dish for selected clients: indeed, no Italian pizzeria lists it in the menu.

CarLaTeX

12:45 PM

@egreg "dish"? :):):)

1:26 PM

Cake for everybody, yay!

@PauloCereda Anything special today? ;-)

@ChristianHupfer A duck is getting wiser. :)

@PauloCereda and more white ~~hair~~ feathers ;-)

@ChristianHupfer oh no

1:57 PM

@PauloCereda There you go :)

Jan 12 '16 at 12:15, by David Carlisle

@PauloCereda finished your thesis?

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@percusse ooh

@percusse that's a very sensitive subject

@PauloCereda not if you finish it

:)

@percusse that's actually the problem :)

@PauloCereda you don't say

there you go. I filled up my daily paradox.

2:03 PM

@percusse I will counterattack with Despacito.

@PauloCereda To be honest, I don't understand how CS departments are still open after the Fortran incident.

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@percusse LOLOLOLOL

Incident being its creation and usage still today :)

@percusse I am laughing more than I should. :)

I will from henceworth use the F-word instead of that thing

2:07 PM

@percusse A computer without COBOL and Fortran is like a piece of chocolate cake without ketchup and mustard.

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SBM

@PauloCereda interesting

Wirth's law

Wirth's law, also known as Page's law, Gates' law and May's law, is a computing adage which states that software is getting slower more rapidly than hardware becomes faster. The law is named after Niklaus Wirth, who discussed it in his 1995 paper, "A Plea for Lean Software". Wirth attributed the saying to Martin Reiser, who, in the preface to his book on the Oberon System, wrote: "The hope is that the progress in hardware will cure all software ills. However, a critical observer may observe that software manages to outgrow hardware in size and sluggishness." Other observers had noted this for some...

@PauloCereda best phrase ever. Can I quote you?

@PauloCereda ^^

@Moriambar It's not from me, sadly. :) But feel free to spread the stack trace. :)

@percusse Wirth is god amongst men.

2:11 PM

@PauloCereda And I do like chocolate cake with ketchup and mustard as I prefer titlesec over not using it ;-)

@PauloCereda I think Fortran can be summarized as bricklaying for the layman. Only the bricks are the memory addresses and the layman are actual bricklayers

@ChristianHupfer Also, @egreg loves fncychap. :)

@percusse haha

@ChristianHupfer I wish I could say the same, and be able not to use it and obtain the same results

@percusse oi

@PauloCereda Best package after afterpage.

2:12 PM

@DavidCarlisle Ahem... I didn't you see there.. I'll take my coat

@egreg ooh :)

samcarter

@PauloCereda atlasobscura.com/places/make-way-for-ducklings-statue

@egreg even ahead of dgruyter_NEW.sty ?

@DavidCarlisle Fantastic one!

@samcarter awww

2:13 PM

@Moriambar regarding the cake or that titlesec thingy?

@ChristianHupfer titlesec :)

@DavidCarlisle At least we have some progress :)

github.com/Reference-LAPACK/lapack

@percusse They see me Fortran'in, they hatin

@DavidCarlisle A package that may or may not working depending on the phase of the Moon.

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hey @egreg has a diamond? Congrats and sorry for my delay

2:15 PM

@percusse Not for TeX.SX

@percusse comments added commit?

@egreg Oh I see.

@DavidCarlisle The response time has increased a lot compared to the forums. And they are very very cooperative. So that's great already.

@percusse we are just hoping he's better at Italian than TeX

Except the language is still Fortran :| ehehe

@egreg Congrats anyways :)

@percusse we have lots of stuff for comments....

2:27 PM

The cake has officially arrived!

@ChristianHupfer You are mean

You won't get a big slice!

@DavidCarlisle I spent almost two full evenings to get the ?SYTRF_ROOK to SciPy now they are deprecated :) They told me to use ?SYTRF_RK instead .....

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@ChristianHupfer yay!

@PauloCereda: Better? :D

2:33 PM

@PauloCereda The ducks are made of frozen mustard and the ketchup is inside :-P

@ChristianHupfer ooh

@PauloCereda I think you did misunderstand the meaning of 'play' in Sony PlayStation :-P

@ChristianHupfer :)

developers.slashdot.org/story/17/06/15/1431253/…

Give us a break, these "studies"... ^^

3:03 PM

@PauloCereda Where's my money? I never use tabs /with Bela Lugosi’s voice

@egreg My vim setup is configured to convert all tabs in spaces, so I want my money too! :)

@PauloCereda That's cheating!

@egreg :D

3:41 PM

Hi, me again :-) This time with a question about commenting: how can I add a log to a comment? (That's been asked, but I think no-one likes it to see the intire log file in the comments...)

@JordyDeweer You can't: if part of a log is needed, it has to be as an edit to a question

@JordyDeweer don't add code (or logs) to comments, edit the question and add it in a code block

@JordyDeweer Occasionally people post 'answers' where there is a need to say to the questioner 'This works for me and I get ...'

3:57 PM

@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle I have to include the intire log, becaus I don't know which part's needed...

@JordyDeweer that's ok so long as it is within site size limit (but it is rare you need the whole log, where is the comment that asks for it?)

@DavidCarlisle Do you like my elegant approach to dealing with colour? ;)

@JosephWright not had time to look yet:-)

@DavidCarlisle Executive summary: just store the dvips form and convert for pdfTeX/LuaTeX

@JosephWright see I told you yesterday having driver-specific internal form was wrong:-)

4:09 PM

@DavidCarlisle Yes, that's why I changed it in the L3 code

@JosephWright cor! no one normally does what I suggest

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@JosephWright Renaming the package to graphicxx or graphicx3 or xgraphicx? ;-)

@DavidCarlisle Have been wondering how far to go with this sort of thing: I could reimplement all of (x)color and graphicx, for example, but where does it go? I'm wondering about some 'x...' place for it ...

@ChristianHupfer More or less, yes

@ChristianHupfer There is xbox in the trial code we don't release :)

@DavidCarlisle I wonder is this a correct behaviour:

\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
\makeatletter

\zap@space abc {a b c} \@empty

\zap@space abc{a b c} \@empty

\end{document}

@JosephWright Don't tell @PauloCereda, he will go mad otherwise :D

4:11 PM

@UlrikeFischer \zpa@space is a low-level hack

@ChristianHupfer I have an Xbox. :)

@PauloCereda But not the \xbox :D

@UlrikeFischer it was only ever supposed to remove the spaces around commas in \documentclass :-)

@JosephWright I didn't want to use in a document. I came across the problem while looking at tex.stackexchange.com/questions/375128/…. Spaces in keys in a option list matters because of \zap@space.

@UlrikeFischer Yes, well there we have the whole issue that this is not really supported ...

4:14 PM

@ChristianHupfer oh

@DavidCarlisle here: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/374198/… (It doesn't ask for the whole log, but I do not know which part to send...)

@UlrikeFischer If you push I may get brave and provide a back door for key-val processors to get the original argument not the normalised version designed for the standard option processor. << @JosephWright

@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright I personally think that the options lists of \documentclass are overused and if you want you could add more traps to discourage class writers to put all there setup there ;-).

@DavidCarlisle Might be the best plan: we have moved (quite) a bit on the 'no changes' business (realism and all)

@JordyDeweer I don't see the log mentioned at all there?

4:18 PM

@DavidCarlisle Sorry, wrong question :(

@JordyDeweer you meant

Do you see the problem when you omit the included PDF, which we don't have? Please amend your example, if so. If code we can compile gives correct output and the same code gives you incorrect output, create a new directory and a blank .tex file. Copy the (amended) code from here into the empty document. Compile. Do you still see the problem? If so, post the .log file for that example. — cfr 15 hours ago

@DavidCarlisle This one should be the right one: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/374980/…

@JordyDeweer just post the whole log it is not a long document

@DavidCarlisle It has 501 lines!

@DavidCarlisle But why isn't it defined like this. Does this break somewhere:

\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
\makeatletter
\zap@space abc abc {ab a} a a {a b c} \@empty

\def\zap@space#1 #2{%
  #1%
  \ifx#2\@empty\else\expandafter\zap@space\fi
  {#2}}

\zap@space abc abc {ab a} a a {a b c} \@empty

\end{document}

4:27 PM

@JordyDeweer if your entire post is less than 30000 characters it isn't a problem

@JordyDeweer you could make it smaller by removing unused packages such as graphicx and pdfpages

@UlrikeFischer that would leave a trailing {\@empty} wouldn't it (although you could add \expandafter\@gobble in the true case)

@DavidCarlisle Yes one need \expandafter\@gobble . But with it the standalone example compiles fine.

@DavidCarlisle Did I already answer you? I don't see my reply in the chat history...

5:15 PM

@JordyDeweer ?

@UlrikeFischer yes but it would still break with ,bb= 0 0 100 100, ... I suspect it's better not to touch zap@space and make the original optional argument available (although that would require changes to the package option code to pick it up....)

@DavidCarlisle I wanted to say: I think I found a solution. I removed some packages, including fontecn with option T1. It's okay now, but what does that package do? What do I need it for?

5:50 PM

@JordyDeweer you need it if you want correct hyphenation for dutch

@JordyDeweer but the test file as posted should not give 1/4 so something is wrong with your setup

@DavidCarlisle It's solved if I remove the fontenc package... it gives the symbol for 1/4 instead of ij ...

@JordyDeweer but the test file you show had the [T1]{fontenc} ?

@JordyDeweer I have just used the file with and without the fontenc line: I get ij in both cases.

Hmmm... I think it's the same as with my question about spacing in the table of contents: you all see it well, but in braille, it's shown bad...

6:08 PM

@PauloCereda Who you are if you are proficient in vi? A Viking!

@DavidCarlisle did you do all of january of the query I'm going through?

@Moriambar yes

@DavidCarlisle thanks. I will commit myself to finish that one tonight, or die trying

@JordyDeweer perhaps you should mention in the question what you are using to render the output..

(I'm useless on the main site anyway)

6:14 PM

@Moriambar you can leave feb if you want and I'll do it

@DavidCarlisle no, thanks. I've done april and I think only march will be a beast

April was nice

@Moriambar :-) OK good hunting...

@DavidCarlisle What do you mean?

@JordyDeweer in my reply to @Moriambar ? we are hunting out and removing corrupted postings

@DavidCarlisle I am not a so good speaker of the English language. I'm just a 16-years-old Belgian student and don't know all the secrets of this language, sorry...

6:30 PM

@JordyDeweer don't worry, the chat has many ongoing conversations in parallel, think of it like overhearing a conversation on a bus, if it is interesting that's fine but not everyone has to follow every conversation:-)

@DavidCarlisle old query all cleared

I'll be back in around 1 hour and a half and we can see what to do about the new one

6:46 PM

@DavidCarlisle Okay, but my earlier message wasn't sent out, I said before that one of my English: "what did you mean with your reaction on my question"... :-) The internet was restarting, that's why it didn't send, I think.

@Moriambar yeh! I'm most of the way through 2012 on the new one

stackoverflow.blog/2017/06/15/…

Better not tell them \catcode`^^I=`\ %

7:27 PM

@JosephWright Btw, the whole spaces vs tabs thingy is a scam. The point is, high-income companies enforce spaces because they seem to enforce a lot of things just out of habit.

@yo' Oh, I don't think anyone was meant to take the post seriously

@JosephWright well, it looks pretty serious!

@yo' OK, 'I'm not taking it seriously'

@JosephWright well, you're right in doing so, IMHO, however, the SE dev survey is a serious thing!

ShreevatsaR

7:46 PM

I've worked at a company that uses spaces and at one that uses tabs… my experience is that tabs become an annoyance as different people set their editors to have different tab widths, and then when you view code or diffs in different places (github, your editor, less on the commandline, etc.), the appearance varies, which is a minor nuisance. Basically using tabs correctly requires a discipline (use tabs only for indentation, use spaces for alignment) which most people don't follow.

And yes big companies enforce spaces :) google.github.io/styleguide/cppguide.html#Spaces_vs._Tabs

8:03 PM

@DavidCarlisle A correct interface for keyval argument is certainly a better idea (hoping that it doesn't get abused too much ...).

@UlrikeFischer I'll raise with rest of team....

@DavidCarlisle Three of us are here anyway ...

8:19 PM

@JosephWright well should I leave the original argument to documentclass and usepackage in \@originalargumentnotdestroyedbyzap@space then make (for example) the KVProcessOptions code in hyperref use that if it is defined and fall back on current code if not? @egreg (and @UlrikeFischer:-)

@DavidCarlisle Needs some tests, certainly

@DavidCarlisle Probably want to co-ordinate with xkeyval, etc.

@JosephWright in theory just making \usepackage save the original argument in a macro that isn't used ought to be safe enough but you never know what's patching in to things....

@JosephWright yes

@DavidCarlisle :)

@JosephWright did you push the ifundefined fix back to ctan yet?

@DavidCarlisle Yes, plus the stray space business and going back to the pdfTeX-like specials for XeTeX page size

8:23 PM

@DavidCarlisle so, how's it going?

@JosephWright oh OK so up to date with github?

@DavidCarlisle Yup, went when I tagged

@DavidCarlisle Now back to l3image/xgraphics/...

@Moriambar I'm slowing down but just got jan to do in 2012

@DavidCarlisle ok, did you do 2011 also?

@Moriambar yes

8:25 PM

@DavidCarlisle great. I fully planned my visit to the national gallery (ie: go to the helpdesk and ask there), so I can do something. Should I start attacking 2013? Or perhaps try and find a way to refine the query?

@Moriambar that would be good, or you could modify the second query so it never includes the results of the first:-) (it hasn't been a big deal so far as i just skip ones with visited links) but if I were to try 2013 I'd have to look into each one to see which you'd fixed

@DavidCarlisle Ok I'll try and see what I can do with the query first

@DavidCarlisle well it never includes the result of the first query for the simple matter that the filter is null for the accepted answer id which gives false for each and every post of the other query. I think spurious results can occur for "unanswered questions" edited by me, q&a both edited

@Moriambar we are out tomorrow evening so in practice not sure how much I can do before saturday night anyway and then in sunday get a clean dump and I think just start with the unfiltered list just ordered by date and clean up any left

@DavidCarlisle you mean the first query by id, using id 0? I think it's the best choice. I don't know how many I can do myself, being out all saturday and possibly being KO all sunday :D

@Moriambar yes actually I think possibly it's the accepted answers that it is not dropping still as I say it might not be worth worrying about it, I

8:35 PM

@DavidCarlisle can you please relink the accepted answers query? I have nothing to do, I'm useless on the site and I kind of feel in the mood of doing this

@Moriambar yes that one.

@Moriambar I think you need the join thing here as the acceptedanswer id is always on the question not on the answer: data.stackexchange.com/tex/query/683280/…

@DavidCarlisle What about packages that use key-value syntax in the options?

@DavidCarlisle right. Working

@egreg yes that's why the suggestion to save the original argument so the KVProcessargumnet can handle that as KV rather than just get the current saved list which has been passed through zap@space and "helpfully normalised"

@egreg @DavidCarlisle imho this is probably the more interesting question. E.g. hyperref has problems with zapspace too, e.g. for pdfborder.

8:41 PM

@DavidCarlisle good news: from ~1100 to ~650 in 2013 -> data.stackexchange.com/tex/query/685081/…

@Moriambar and 2012 done

@DavidCarlisle great. I think there's no point in meddling further: if we have 500 or 1000 posts still next week... so be it!

@Moriambar thanks do you want to start at one end, and me the other.

@Moriambar yes, agreed

@DavidCarlisle Bottom, I'll start from the bottom.

@Moriambar I guess that leaves the top for me:-)

8:43 PM

@DavidCarlisle yes but wait: top means december and bottom january, right? :P they're ordered descending :D

@Moriambar seems that way yes.

@DavidCarlisle Ok it's just to agree :) nice then I think I can squeeze some in tonight after my masterful planning

8:54 PM

I hate ascii art

9:05 PM

@Moriambar stopping for today, done december

@DavidCarlisle Done Jan and Feb, and I'm calling it a day too

@DavidCarlisle I guess that at the end of the process our edit count will be more than the other users combined :)

kaz

Hello everyone!

9:24 PM

@kaz Hello

kaz

I have a general question about LaTeX use on a resume? Would it be something that impresses an interviewing engineer? Or is that just silly?

It's pretty opinion based so asking a couple of people in discussion seems like the best way to go with this

@kaz Doubt it will impress them: in the end CVs are about ticking off necessary/desirable items

@kaz A pretty document is always impressive, but you should also impress with your skills, not only with typography ;-)

@kaz I mean I'd be impressed, but in the end it wouldn't make a difference to the scoring

kaz

I figured as much, but still I wanted an outside opinion.

Thanks guys!

barbara beeton

9:42 PM

@Moriambar and @DavidCarlisle -- sorry to have been among the missing today. lost control of (and access to) firefox and had to reboot, which took nearly an hour, since major updates had been posted to all pc's in the interim. and then had to dig into some local problems. (but, after months of trying, i have finally figured out how to remove a soft link from a unix directory without taking the contents of the linked area with it.)

@Moriambar and @DavidCarlisle -- hey, guys, does this one show up on any of your reports? tex.stackexchange.com/a/108694/579 it's still live in my list. (sigh)

@barbarabeeton yes we're doing 2013 now but I did december and @Moriambar did jan and feb when we called it a night, but that one is listed in the gap between, so should be all cleared before the next dump on sunday then we'll clear up any that got missed

@barbarabeeton yup it shows up in mine

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle and @Moriambar -- good. thanks. i have a meeting to go to tonight, but i should be able to help with cleanup (if you guys haven't done it all by then) tomorrow and on the weekend.

@barbarabeeton I doubtfully do much tomorrow: I have some things to do to prepare to go to London. Hopefully it will take the same amount of time as planning the museum visit (~10 minutes establishing where the info desk is, and how everything works), but I can never know. Sat I'll be in London so no help from me; hopefully Sunday I'll be back to helping you. Possibly with the remaining few posts

barbara beeton

@Moriambar -- have a great day enjoying the museum. and a not too unpleasant time getting there and back.

9:54 PM

@barbarabeeton thanks. "There and back again" :)