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4:27 AM
 
5:05 AM
@GustavoMezzetti The #4440 is the april 27th's number: it's no more on newsstands! I have the previous one (#$%#). Please don't leave us with the curiosity!
 
5:41 AM
@AlanMunn Compliments!
 
 
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7:00 AM
@samcarter @JosephWright's package is impressive, not only does it typeset the minus sign correctly it adds the correct exponent and supplies the missing units! I should try it one day.
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samcarterAlternative: Don't worry yourself about such things or risk running in such errors, simply let the siunitx package do it for you: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{siunitx} \begin{document} the charge of a single electron is \SI{-1.6e-19}{\coulomb} \end{document}

 
7:26 AM
@DavidCarlisle Have you ever dealt with \ifincsname in LuaTeX?
 
@egreg Will did some experiments I think
 
@JosephWright This works in pdftex and xetex, not in luatex (from TL2012 on): \ifcsname T\ifincsname e\else \hbox{e}\fi X\endcsname\fi\bye
 
7:49 AM
@egreg I don't think so (we really need more engine tests in the latex test suite)
@egreg oh the tracker thing has nested csname but your example seems to imply that it's just broken always?
@oh I see you have nested ifcsname
 
@egreg @JosephWright This bug seems to have been corrected, it is only inside \ifcsname that \ifincsname works differently.
 
@egreg you going to mail luatex list or should we?
 
@DavidCarlisle is Her Majesty ok?
 
@Moriambar ?
@Moriambar oh gossip in the news, I hadn't seen
 
8:05 AM
@DavidCarlisle a colleague of mine is going crazy about it.
 
@DavidCarlisle Can you please do it?
 
@egreg I guess I have enough practice by now:-)
@egreg ^^^
Star wars day!
 
@DavidCarlisle Thanks!
@DavidCarlisle May the fourth be with you? :-)
 
@egreg exactly
 
8:21 AM
@egreg oh dear lord -.-
 
@Moriambar This is what my calendar says!
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@egreg "oh dear lord" all the same
I miss simpler times
 
@egreg ❤❤❤
 
9:01 AM
@UlrikeFischer sorry I made the mistake of trusting the OPs example was reasonable, I deleted my comment:-)
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9:17 AM
@DavidCarlisle ;-)
 
10:03 AM
No biscuits today. :(
 
@PauloCereda My mother has just bought a cake for me!
 
@CarLaTeX ooooooh
 
@PauloCereda 😆
 
It's a bit expensive. Emphasis on bit.
 
@PauloCereda well, what did you expect?
 
10:16 AM
@PauloCereda Just a little bit LOL
@PauloCereda However the Portoguese name of Milan is really funny. It seems meaow!
 
@CarLaTeX Milão, Pádua, Bolonha...
 
@PauloCereda but only Milão is funny :):):)
 
@CarLaTeX :D
@CarLaTeX: Milão, Roma, Nápoles, Turim, Palermo, Gênova, Bolonha, Florença, Bari, Catânia, Veneza, Verona, Messina, Pádua, Trieste, Taranto, Bréscia, Parma, Bérgamo, Ándria, Afrágola... :)
 
@PauloCereda Ducks are very good at geography!
 
@CarLaTeX I was once hearing a game between Brazil and Portugal in my radio. The narrator was talking about (our) Ronaldo, and said he was a player of Internazionale de Milão, but he got a tongue twist there and said Internazionale de Limão (lemon). :)
@CarLaTeX woo
 
10:26 AM
@CarLaTeX speaking of ducks... how's the professor doing?
 
@Moriambar Very well, thank you! We are planning our next vacation :):):)
@PauloCereda LOL Also Brazilian narrators are very funny!
 
@CarLaTeX I think I will go to london on Jun 17 to see the national gallery museum. Then I think I will stop travelling for another 40 years :D where are you planning to go?
 
@Moriambar oh poor :):):) We haven't decided yet, any suggestion is welcome
 
@CarLaTeX ^ this is one of the most famous narrators of Brazil (see particularly the penalty of Baggio).
 
@PauloCereda I can't watch that now, I'm at my office!
 
10:32 AM
@CarLaTeX ooh stealth mode
 
@CarLaTeX I recommend what I know: La Spezia, Sarzana e le cinque terre. I can provide you suggestions on what to see and where to eat if you want. I have friends there and have visited them many times during the last 10 years
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh, my!
@PauloCereda Afragòla
 
@egreg your test file was lacking zzz so didn't highlight the issue
 
@egreg In Portuguese, they moved the accent to a previous syllab. :)
 
@Moriambar Le cinque terre was one of my choices. I have only a week at the end of July. Do you know a place not too much crowded where to stay?
 
10:42 AM
@PauloCereda oh don't get us started on syllables again
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@DavidCarlisle Vegetables. :)
 
@CarLaTeX The Cinque Terre are very crowded at the end of July.
 
@egreg I know, unfortunately...
 
@CarLaTeX Tuscany?
 
@egreg A good alternative, could you suggest to me a nice place reachable by public means of transport?
 
10:52 AM
@CarLaTeX Public transports in Tuscany? Well… Anyway, Chianciano and Chiusi are well linked by train, with several places nearby. Alternatively, Perugia.
 
@DavidCarlisle An impressively smart package, indeed! And a very good example of the strange voting pattern of this site - an answers, that does not even address the error message the OP is asking about, gets 20 votes?
 
11:08 AM
@DavidCarlisle Maybe Hans doesn't need \ifincsname inside \ifcsname.
 
@egreg doesn't need pdftex compatibility either
 
@DavidCarlisle Let's hope he'll realize the concept.
 
11:38 AM
@egreg Thank you!
 
Q: Which program do Jedi use to open PDF files? A: Adobe Wan Kenobi
 
@CarLaTeX tbh I think that in july the whole places are really crowded as @egreg said. I think that the spring is the best season to visit such places since the temperature is more acceptable and they're still beautiful. You'd have to avoid the sea in that period and visit other things around, but not the 5 terre (e.g. Sarzana, the castles of Lunigiana, montemarcello, etc...) but I still think that spring and October are the best months for those places
 
11:59 AM
Why did Anakin cross the road? To get to the dark side.
 
@PauloCereda please stop :)
 
@Moriambar Unfortunately, this year I have that period in my "turno-ferie"... thank you anyway!
 
@CarLaTeX I hope he is planning his Duckboat too! Or is it already finished?
 
@CarLaTeX I see. I think I will go back there around the end of september
 
12:18 PM
@UlrikeFischer This Duckboat?
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@egreg YES YES YES
 
@egreg Human-powered
 
@UlrikeFischer I'll take him with me, of course!
 
12:20 PM
@egreg Gorgeous!!!!!
 
@UlrikeFischer awwww <3
 
@PauloCereda @UlrikeFischer ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
 
@CarLaTeX I meant the duckboat in TUGboat!
 
@UlrikeFischer Of course, he's writing it 😆😆😆😆
 
@CarLaTeX Good! I'm already waiting ;-)
 
12:26 PM
@UlrikeFischer Do not have big expectations 😆😆😆😆
 
 
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1:42 PM
@PauloCereda Jokes from the Really Old Republic ;-)
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2:09 PM
@AlanMunn @DavidCarlisle @JosephWright an English language question: is the "x" in word such as connexion ever used anymore? Is it still regarded as correct?
I loved the word "connexion"
 
Pretty much gone everywhere. books.google.com/ngrams/…
 
@AlanMunn thanks. pity
 
Ducks were always trendy. :)
 
oh god, a new way to be unproductive! Yay!
 
@PauloCereda But losing out badly to chickens.
 
2:21 PM
 
What is the name of the package which makes working with tables easier in LaTeX? - - There is one package which is supported my one university and which uses local files for its run?
 
snooker is coming
 
@AlanMunn OH NO
Chicken! /shakes fist
 
@AlanMunn I wonder what happened in 1922. :)
 
2:22 PM
@LéoLéopoldHertz준영 Perhaps you're thinking of tabu (we're not a fan of it around here, though.)
 
@LéoLéopoldHertz준영 Do you mean ltxtable?
 
@LéoLéopoldHertz준영 I think pgfplotstable?
 
@LéoLéopoldHertz준영 Clearly you need to explain a bit more :) since we're giving you two sets of entirely different kinds of answers.
 
Nothing of those 3.
The package is a recommendation in one answer of my old questions, but I cannot find the answer anymore.
 
@AlanMunn And it was so pretty obvious ;-)
 
2:25 PM
The recommendation came many years after the great old answer, but still cannot find it.
 
@LéoLéopoldHertz준영 But what do you mean by 'working with tables'? Formatting them in output or incorporating them into your latex source or ... ?
 
@LéoLéopoldHertz준영: ctan.org/topic/table
 
yo'
@JosephWright @egreg ^^ Hi, please, would you keep this?
 
- - @PauloCereda I could not find the correct one. The package is rather new, ..., it is funded and developed by one European university, I think Danish university.
 
@LéoLéopoldHertz준영 oh
 
2:34 PM
Do you have any recommendations about drawing interconnections and circles in LaTeX? Circle - event, diamont - permanent event. I though first the thing in the thread here tex.stackexchange.com/a/364347/13173 but I think it is too heavy to teach non-LaTeX users for it.
 
@Moriambar OED says it's still correct in British english but I don't think I've ever seen it used that way
 
@DavidCarlisle I first read it in Maxwell's treatise. thanks!
 
@Moriambar not a good source of contemporary usage, I fear.
 
@DavidCarlisle yup, that's why I asked :)
 
yo'
@egreg @PauloCereda btw, from an article after the peer review process, I got it just for typesetting:
 
2:39 PM
@Moriambar by the way for your question this morning bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39802636
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm not able to open the link, I think it's about Prince Philip retiring, right?
 
@yo' ooh
 
@yo' A new kind of algebra? ;-)
 
@yo' fantastic!
 
yo'
@ChristianHupfer quite :-) (Sorry, I made one more mistake there when obfuscating it, it's corrected now to what the article contains)
 
2:46 PM
@yo' Looks like ratio of area to circumference? Is this formula treating curvature?
 
yo'
@ChristianHupfer I have no idea what it is treating (I don't care), I just know that it's wrong unless $a=0$
now I gotta go, see you later!
 
@Moriambar yes
 
@DavidCarlisle well, I'm not that surprised. I've seen him once, 15 years ago and seemed already quite old (and was)
 
3:04 PM
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3:22 PM
@ChristianHupfer please, earn no more; or better: earn an equal amount in a few seconds
 
@ChristianHupfer :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle the comma is correct :)
NASA has teamed up with two technology crowdsourcing organizations in an effort to put some of its supercomputer code into afterburner mode. In an announcement on May 2, the director of NASA's Transformative Aeronautics Concepts Program (TACP) launched the High Performance Fast Computing Challenge, an effort to accelerate NASA's Modern Fortran-based computational fluid dynamics (CFD) software, FUN3D.

In the NASA announcement, NASA TACP Director Dough Rohn called the challenge “the ultimate ‘geek’ dream assignment." Launched in a partnership with HeroX and Topcoder, the competition gives an
@DavidCarlisle ^^
 
3:41 PM
@PauloCereda er that's kind of what we do for a living
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
Has anyone noticed this?
 
@DavidCarlisle I will send you gentlemen a curriculum next year :)
 
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Q: Announcer badge spike

WernerThere has been a recent spike in the number of Announcer badges being awarded on TeX.SE. A query on SEDE highlights this: The last four months saw the occasional awarding of more than one-a-day, with April 2017 shooting up to 3+ per day. Similar increases or spikes seem to have occurred on SO...

 
@PauloCereda stage 1, win the above mentioned prize, that would look good on your CV (you might have difficulty with some of the pre-conditions such as nationality but that's small details:-)
 
3:44 PM
@Werner No, I do not have such a badge either
 
@DavidCarlisle again???
 
@Moriambar ah.
 
@DavidCarlisle yes, I learned from the master about colors (which is the bad usage of "colours")
 
@DavidCarlisle Do they hire Europeans only?!
 
3:58 PM
@PauloCereda No it says U.S. citizens only.
 
@AlanMunn hmm I need a plan B.
 
@PauloCereda You mean after you learn Fortran?
 
@AlanMunn I know Fortran! :D
It's not one of my crowning moments, but I know it. :)
I also know Algol. :)
 
@PauloCereda But do you know PL1?
 
@PauloCereda APL?
 
4:01 PM
@AlanMunn Only for historical purposes. I know a couple of things about PL1, but that's about it.
@DavidCarlisle Please no. :D
 
@DavidCarlisle A language crying out for UTF-8 before such a thing existed. :)
 
@AlanMunn LOL well said.
 
@AlanMunn I had to write some APL calling Fortran a couple of years ago, interesting excercise:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle xor would be easier. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle A friend of mine who did research on rocket guidance systems (he really was a rocket scientist) wrote all his code in APL. He called it 'disposable code' because after a month you couldn't figure out what it did.
 
4:02 PM
@AlanMunn DO THEY REALLY EXIST?
/gasp
 
@PauloCereda Well now he runs a company that does mobile mapping and surveying.
 
@AlanMunn Awesome!
 
4:25 PM
@Werner Referring to the comment: So if i put a link to another TeX.SE question into the comments, and people (the OP and other helpers) click on it, that counts for the badge?
 
4:42 PM
@Johannes_B From what I can tell it didn't before, but now it does. However, it has to be your personalized link.
 
@Werner Ah right the Share-Link. I seldomly use that.
 
@Werner Easy to avoid then ;)
@Johannes_B I always edit out the personalisation bit :)
 
@JosephWright Good :-)
 
5:05 PM
@Moriambar Huh?
 
@Johannes: happy cinco de mayo!
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
Which will be tomorrow, by the way. :)
 
:-)
 
@CarLaTeX Sorry for the long delay before answering. So, La Settimana Enigmistica, issue 4440, p. 22, Il piacere di saperlo!, question 29081: «La sigla LaTeX designa un indice azionario della Borsa USA?». (To non-Italians: «Does the LaTeX abbreviation designates a stock market index of the US Stock Exchange?».)
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@CarLaTeX: The answer says: «No, è il nome di un programma di composizione tipografica utilizzato prevalentemente in ambito scientifico». («No, it is the name of a program for typographic composition used primarily in the scientific field».)
 
5:50 PM
@GustavoMezzetti Grande "Settimana Enigmistica"! I hope to manage to track down the back issue!
@egreg See Gustavo's message ^^^^
 
6:08 PM
@CarLaTeX: Oh, yes, now I see that egreg too took an interest in the question—I had missed his message. Well, you have already pinged him…
According to what they say on the cover page, back issues are charged double price, that is, €3.20 :-( But of course, I’ve got a copy of that issue, if you are interested.
 
6:42 PM
@GustavoMezzetti I'll let you know if I don't manage to track down it. I'd like to add it to my LaTeX gadgets, together with Herr Professor Paulinho van Duck!
@GustavoMezzetti Thank you, of course! BTW, also @Moriambar is Italian (Moriambar see before)
 
7:04 PM
@AlexG Yesterday, I asked a question on embedding PDF XObjects in animateinline (see [comments](https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/327580/34258)). Here I have to pdf files [1](http://docdro.id/CkrzaSJ) is large, the background is recomputed on each image; [2](http://docdro.id/N86PoLD) is "smart", it uses a XObject background. Both pdf displays the same way but [1] is much larger. My question is, can I loop over [2] in animateinline? It seems the answer is no (I get an error: `!pdfTeX error: pdflatex (file ./animXObject): PDF inclusion:
 
7:17 PM
@AlexG Sorry, that was my fault. Your package xsavebox is awesome (saves memory and compilation time by avoiding redundancy).
 
7:39 PM
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We have a new fellow in the fellowship of the +100k users: Bernard!
 
@ChristianHupfer @Bernard Congratulations!
 
congrats !
 
8:06 PM
@Bernard (I can't really ping): congratulations!
@ChristianHupfer @PauloCereda @JosephWright Bernard could be a candidate for an interview!
 
@egreg Yes, I think so
 
8:21 PM
@AlanMunn -- spelling question. (taking a few days off after bachotug.) tonight we enjoyed a bottle of wine with the name "3 wooly sheep" (a sauvignon blanc from the marlborough region of new zealand). i would have expected two "l"s -- "woolly" (the menu actually had it as "wholly") -- especially since i would have expected a british influence. or am i misinformed? or just confused?
 
yo'
8:32 PM
yesterday, by Alan Munn
@yo' I'm a linguist. I don't do spelling.
@barbarabeeton By the way, where are you now? I suppose somewhere between Polish lakes and the sweetness of Providence (sweetness as in "home sweet home")
 
@barbarabeeton No not confused. The single 'l' spelling looks very odd to me too. But I'm definitely a doubler with respect to that kind of thing: travelling, levelling etc.
 
@yo' -- fair enough, but maybe he'll make an exception. we're in warsaw at the moment; will fly back to boston on monday, arrive at rush hour, so will stay overnight and wait until after the tuesday morning rush.
@AlanMunn -- thanks. i'm usually a one-l-before-ing speller, but the only one-l-before-y example i can thing of is "roly-poly".
 
@yo' :D
@barbarabeeton The OED doesn't list the one 'l' spelling at all. So it's definitely not in use anywhere.
 
@AlanMunn -- except, apparently, on some wine bottles. (the sheep on the label were really kind of cute.)
 
yo'
@AlanMunn well, to me it doesn't look that odd, but I'm not a native speaker. Also, it's a wine brand, so ...
@barbarabeeton sheep are cute!
 
8:39 PM
@barbarabeeton It's listed as the 18c spelling. So maybe their aiming for old-timey.
 
@yo' -- and woolly! (missed you at bachotex.)
 
@yo' @barbarabeeton Until they're shorn. :)
 
yo'
@barbarabeeton yeah, it was a pity. But I did a lot of work at our scout campsite during the conference!
 
@AlanMunn -- that's a good possibility. thanks.
 
yo'
@AlanMunn then they're a bit less cute, but still cute.
 
8:41 PM
@barbarabeeton Collins blames the single l on the Americans collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/woolly
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle "You can refer to underwear as woollies." I wonder which all words can mean this.
 
@yo' Czech (girl) scout in bbc news today:-)
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle the anti-nazi one?
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle that's a photo of the year for the Czech Scouting, and seems to resonate at WOSM, too :-)
 
8:44 PM
@DavidCarlisle -- hmmm. that's very peculiar, and unexpected in this context. i can understand the one-l before "-ing", but not before "y".
 
@barbarabeeton you can't spell colour, so no reason to expect that you can spell woolly either.
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@barbarabeeton I'm sure @AlanMunn appreciates my reasoned, balanced, approach to regional differences.
 
@DavidCarlisle -- but i spell it "woolly". the example is from new zealand. i like the 18th century association.
 
@barbarabeeton you are representing your countrymen as described by the Collins dictionary of London:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle -- yup. that's them.
 
@barbarabeeton In case you have some time left in Warsaw, there is a really lovely parc en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Baths_Park
 
8:56 PM
@samcarter -- thank you -- that's already been recommended to us, and we're looking forward to visiting it. just hope it stops raining.
 
@DavidCarlisle But 'wooly' just isn't a spelling, I think:
This is only US sources.
 
Can one upload an img on tex.se chat from mobile?
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@GustavoMezzetti @CarLaTeX ^^^^^
 
@barbarabeeton @DavidCarlisle @AlanMunn they probably only removed one l to look more interesting ... or because it gives a better triangle on the etiquette.
 
@Moriambar Yay!!!!!!!!
@Moriambar Yes, you can, I do a snapshot of the photo and upload the snapshot, because the photos are too big...
@Moriambar They have also correctly written "LaTeX", smart people work at La Settimana Enigmistica!
 
9:15 PM
@barbarabeeton @PauloCereda the perfect wine holder: ebay.com/itm/351766999564
 
@AlanMunn -- hmmm. wonder if there's a similar data set for new zealand sources. (probably not nearly so extensive, and almost certainly doesn't go back as many years.)
@UlrikeFischer -- the mallards we saw walking along the edge of the lake at bachotek weren't nearly so inverted.
 
@barbarabeeton not so drunk probably ;-)
 
@CarLaTeX I simply required the desktop site.
 
@Moriambar The desktop site of what?
 
@CarLaTeX desktop version of this chat (as opposed to the mobile version of the same)
 
9:30 PM
@DavidCarlisle I have understood well, then (it seemed a strange request to me because I used the desktop version of the chat before finding out there was a mobile one!)
 
@DavidCarlisle as usual, he's right
 
@Moriambar Go to the main site and click on "TeX, LaTeX and Friends" you find on the right
@Moriambar He and egreg are like Fonzie: they're never wrong!
@Moriambar ... or go here: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms and choose "TeX, LaTeX and Friends"
@Moriambar Maybe also the direct link chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/41/tex-latex-and-friends works
 
9:46 PM
@CarLaTeX no it won't work unless I use the desktop site, but that's fine, I already uploaded what I wanted to upload
 
10:07 PM
@PauloCereda However, it is not fair to remind us the wrong Baggio's penalty :P I forgive you only because your're a smart duck (I've remembered to watch the video only now)
 
@CarLaTeX We can always remind @PauloCereda about Germany.
 
@egreg seven times?
(Yes, even I who do not know anything about football… know…)
 
10:29 PM
@Moriambar CarLaTeX, egreg, Moriambar, hi! I saw that Moriambar posted a picture of the issue of La Settimana Enigmistica with the question about LaTeX.
@CarLaTeX “They have also correctly written ‘LaTeX’…”: I wouldn’t expect less from them! As far as I know, they can proudly claim not to have had a single typo in print in more than 80 years…
 
@barbarabeeton I don't think they've decoded sheep language yet. :)
 
11:03 PM
@egreg LOL
@GustavoMezzetti An actual example of excellent tipography!
typography... ops
 
@CarLaTeX Yes, excellent indeed! But now I have to leave. Good night!
 

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