Welcome every body.

Why no one consider writing a book about Tikz?! Nothing in Amazon. The manual is great but writing a book is good at least one can put on the shelf, one can carry it everywhere. I feel publishing a book is extremely beneficial

Writing challenging exercises is another feature that is not available in the manual.

Count me as one customer if you publish it. :)

@CroCo I'm the second customer!

@egreg Hi Prof. Can you ask a simple question? I have created some characters of mt2pro curly script as picture in pdf. Is it possibile to modificate, to add, to change the size of the image with a same or greater or smaller than the default font into a LaTeX document? On the site there is someone who has formulated this question?

@Sebastiano You can scale the graphics.

It depends on what you need.

Shaky bus in a few minutes, yay!

@JosephWright was there a problem with normalizeing char 0? most of the diffs relate to ^^@ l3build.dtx says % \item Conversion of low chars ($1$ to $31$) to |^^| notation. so starting at 1 but code seems to do for i = 0, 31 do but something's changed:-)

@DavidCarlisle Don't remember there being a specific issue with char 0 here: I'll look over the logs

@DavidCarlisle github.com/latex3/latex3/commit/…

@DavidCarlisle Perhaps they've altered the behaviour?

@JosephWright yes I think so but you've changed that at that diff to start normalizing at 0, I think my installed one is 1, let me check my l3build is completely up to date...

@JosephWright only diff in up to date l3build is release date stuff, but I'll re-run anyway.

@DavidCarlisle The .lua code has been the same for some time: I've just fixed the documentation!

@DavidCarlisle Which tests should I look at? (I've just grabbed the latest W32TeX build of LuaTeX)

@CroCo and @CarLaTeX tex.stackexchange.com/a/9123/586 might be of interest. The only actual book is LaTeX and Friends though, I think, which has one chapter on TikZ.

@JosephWright tl2e7 (most of the others look similar)

*** 89,96 ****
  ....\T1/cmr/m/n/10 ^^d9
  ....\glue(\spaceskip) 3.33252 plus 1.66458 minus 1.11194
  ....\kern 0.13885 (for accent)
! ....\T1/cmr/m/n/10 ^^@
! ....\kern -5.13763 (for accent)
  ....\T1/cmr/m/n/10 x
  ....\penalty 10000
  ....\glue(\parfillskip) 0.0 plus 1.0fil
--- 89,95 ----
  ....\T1/cmr/m/n/10 ^^d9
  ....\glue(\spaceskip) 3.33252 plus 1.66458 minus 1.11194
  ....\kern 0.13885 (for accent)
! ....\T1/cmr/m/n/10 ....\kern -5.13763 (for accent)
  ....\T1/cmr/m/n/10 x
  ....\penalty 10000

@DavidCarlisle I'll investigate

@JosephWright thanks I'm re-running anyway to get a full set as I ran just the tt hyphenation ones to check the diffs for the failures in classic tex.

Anyone got a pound coin yet?

@DavidCarlisle A dodecagon?

@egreg that's the one

@TorbjørnT. Thank you!

@DavidCarlisle Not just yet

@DavidCarlisle OK, I see the issue here too: I'll try to track it down

@DavidCarlisle Something odd clearly: it all looks the same in the raw .log files ...

@JosephWright a change in the Lua pattern matcher? (rather than a change in the log?)

@DavidCarlisle Doubtful but I am working on it (as well as my real job!)

@JosephWright yes I've no time to look till this evening as well:-)

@egreg There is an answer for this argument on the site?

@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright Good Morning

for line in io.lines("temp.txt") do
  print((string.gsub(line, string.char(0), "^^" .. string.char(64))))
end

@DavidCarlisle ^^^ Gives two lines with LuaTeX v0.95 but only one with v1.04

@DavidCarlisle See mail to LuaTeX list

@DavidCarlisle 'It's not my fault' :)

@JosephWright excellent response to a bug report.

"Vim-style" ?????

@DavidCarlisle LOLOLOLOL

São Paulo today! :)

Oh no

@DavidCarlisle How would you describe it?

@UlrikeFischer Sorry about the naming

@JosephWright ^@ emacs style, naturally:-)

@DavidCarlisle That I know of, less is never set up to use Emacs ...

@JosephWright Hans did say they had done some cleanup of input code... the test can be simplified to

aaa^^@bbb
xxxxxxxx

@UlrikeFischer Yes, we know it has to be recent as @DavidCarlisle and I have been testing LuaTeX builds against the LaTeX2e suite (which is where this shows up)

@JosephWright with a real null then:

for line in io.lines("null.txt") do
      print(line)
end

then with new texlua (or a stock Lua) the null terminates the first line so you lose the bbb and the line end:

$ texlua null.lua
aaaxxxxxxxx

@DavidCarlisle All makes sense: like I said, the key for me is this is not my fault :)

@DavidCarlisle Have to see what Hans et al. say

@JosephWright sounds like a plan since I suspect the null (and rest of line) is really gone on input it may be hard to work around if they choose not to fix it

@DavidCarlisle Well we could normalise from pdfTeX to LuaTeX: truncate lines ending ^^@ and wrap ...

@JosephWright blurg, I suppose so:-)

Hi. I'm not sure who's the right person to ping about blog issues, but I noticed that some of the formatting in the new Tex.SE blog looks odd, probably as a result of the recent move off BlogOverflow. In particular, every smiley is showing up on a line of its own in what looks like a code block, rather than embedded in the text. (Several examples here, for instance.)

@PauloCereda Oh hello. I drop into a new chatroom for the first time and what do I find but a link to a question I answered! :-)

@Randal'Thor @StefanKottwitz might be the right person.

@Randal'Thor -- ugh! what ugly html! all "text" strings are moved out of the original paragraph and into explicit boxed insertions. at least the formatting of the html is consistent, so could probably be attacked by some fairly simple emacs keyboard macros. but it's really bad conversion of the original input (some of which i edited, so i recognize the style). if the original is still able to be found, and the conversion routine available, it should be fixable.

Hi fellas

anyone knows how can I write the I in İnönü?

the ö is \"o

but no clue how to write the I

Does \.I work?

lemme see

yes, yes it does :D

thanks!

@Accidental See also: tex.stackexchange.com/tags/accents/info

sweet, thats a useful bookmark for future reference

@TorbjørnT. Thank you so much. It is helpful and informative.

@PauloCereda From one of the answers: "For those who prefer not to use processed foods, I find a combination of hemp seeds, nutritional yeast, garlic powder and salt does stand in for Parmesan quite convincingly."

@AlanMunn Of course the answerer doesn't even know what Parmesan tastes like.

@egreg Absolutely. Also, for many Americans, Parmesan cheese is this: foodprocessing.com/industrynews/2016/…

@AlanMunn Wood pulp?

@egreg Well only 3 or 4% :) It's good to have a little fibre with your cheese.

@AlanMunn Of course real Italian “formaggio grana”, which Parmigiano-Reggiano is a variety, is made with milk. No cellulose.

@egreg Of course. But nobody should buy pre-grated cheese anyway. Where do you stand on the Parmigiano-Reggiano vs Grana Padano divide?

@AlanMunn Usually with PR

@AlanMunn Our region is in the GP side, of course.

@egreg I'm on the GM side :) (Gran Moravia)

@egreg What about carnaroli or vialone nano? (I'm assuming arborio is out of the running...)

@AlanMunn Vialone nano!

@egreg Of course. I agree. It's not so easy to get here though.

@AlanMunn You can find great vialone nano around Verona.

@egreg It's a little far for my Saturday grocery shopping trip. :)

@AccidentalFourierTransform The simplest way is just to write İ (with \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc})

well I dont have inputenc loaded. As \.I works just fine, importing inputenc seems an overkill to me

but thanks anyway :-)

@DavidCarlisle A "known feature" and "not your fault"? (@barbarabeeton)

\documentclass{amsart}

\usepackage{xcolor}

\begin{document}

\section{My section}

\subsection{My subsection}

{\color{red}I'm powerful, I can change the past!} You see?

\subsection{My subsection}

\leavevmode{\color{red}I'm not powerful anymore, I can't change the past!} You see?

\end{document}

@yo' Well known feature.

@egreg ah well, ok :-)

@yo' Since subsection titles are typeset in line, they are saved until a paragraph starts, then typeset (using \everypar). A \color{red} instruction doesn't start horizontal mode, which is instead initiated by I; the title is typeset, but the current color is red, now.

@egreg I understand the reason why it is so (and also the fix), it just surprised me at first...

@JosephWright not read all the thread but it seems that Lua's handling of null has been discussed at length:-) lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2014-02/msg00249.html

@JosephWright ah it works if you grab the whole file first.. (with lua or texlua)

1234
aaa^@bbb
12345

io.lines does

1234
49      50      51      52
aaa12345
97      97      97      49

bure file:read gets

1234
49      50      51      52
aaabbb
97      97      97      0
12345
49      50      51      52

showing the null 0 in the middle line

--for line in io.lines("null.txt") do

file = assert(io.open("null.txt", "r+b"))
f=file:read("*a")
for line in f:gmatch("[^\r\n]+") do
      print(line)
      print(string.byte(line,1,4))
end

@yo' yes of course

@yo' I'm so clearly blameless, even @egreg didn't try to blame me for that.

@JosephWright tl2e7 passes if I change l3build.lua around line 870 as:

logfilehandle = assert(io.open(logfile, "r+b"))
logfilestring=logfilehandle:read("*a")
for line in logfilestring:gmatch("[^\r\n]+") do

--for line in io.lines(logfile) do

@JosephWright but several others fail (probably because dropping blank lines has altered the line wrapping logic) grrrrr

@DavidCarlisle Like I say, the easiest fix is to wrap lines ending ^^@ universally

what's it called when there's just one margin that's larger for note taking?

if you wanted to print something off and make notes to it, there was some setting so that one margin was wider i think?

@JosephWright looks that way (doesn't look like Luigi is keen to work around the Lua "feature"). odd their test suite didn't pick this up before we ran the latex tests.....

@baxx \addtolength\oddsidemargin{4cm}

@DavidCarlisle ok cool thanks, this seems nicer than adjusting the sizes manually with geometry

@baxx well I assume you could do just the same with geometry and just a package option to set the left margin

that's what i did, i wasn't sure if there was a more appropriate way or something, no worries.. thanks

@DavidCarlisle I'll perhaps raise at the team meeting then make the change (easy enough I hope)

@DavidCarlisle 'test suite'

@JosephWright :-)

@JosephWright probably no need to take action but you might want to have a moderators glance at tex.stackexchange.com/questions/360864/…

@barbarabeeton @Randal'Thor @TorbjørnT. Thanks! I can fix it. Smileys are in the source as <code>:)</code>, maybe other insertions too. I'm just traveling but can fix it soon.

@DavidCarlisle I've mod-duped and left a comment

@DavidCarlisle Odd in that the OP does have network experience, so presumably knows that asking a second time is not the best approach

@StefanKottwitz Perhaps take a look at tex.stackexchange.com/questions/360864/… as noted by @DavidCarlisle

@JosephWright perhaps translate it to a guy after 16 hours work and drunk after 1 beer :-)

@StefanKottwitz :)

@StefanKottwitz Don't work too hard!

Does anyone here have some good tips for how to set up a labeling scheme for e.g. equations in a large document?

right now I'm going with \label{eq:customname} but I feel like it's kind of stupid once the document gets large enough that I forget the custom names

@JosephWright Several weeks including weekends without break but with 4 days "holidays" and that was the DANTE meeting last week

@JosephWright luckily I got those days as training time, not holidays

@JosephWright As I work hard at yards for my company, they agree with TeX meetings as training time

@Danu you can use the showkeys package to stick the names in the margin while drafting

I will go to TUG@Bachotek and to a hackers camp with my whole family including kids and dog

Thanks for the recommendation @DavidCarlisle

@Danu excellent package, you should send the author lots of money

:D

@Danu and mention the author's email address on the Internet whenever you can

hehe

@Danu A dozen Nigerian princes will send money.

@StefanKottwitz I still dunno whether I'll come :-(

@StefanKottwitz oooh I think they contacted me already

@StefanKottwitz I doubt that would make any difference since I have had my emails in plain text on the internet since before the UK was on the internet, anyone that wants to harvest my email probably has it by now:-)

@DavidCarlisle Same for me. I wonder, that spam to my addresses is limited, but spam to forums is huge, wave after wave, following protection changes

we had a safe q&a check, few human spammers mad it beyond that, then russian spam testers and then bots got the human check and posted like crazy

idiots, a virus killing the victim cannot survive, long term

@StefanKottwitz -- actually, lots of other insertions besides smileys. i think most of these were originally in line, but it's possible that some really should be set off. so probably someone should do a quick scan after the fix is applied. and the circumstances might be different between interviews and other types of posts. -- my comment applies only to interviews.

@barbarabeeton I will take care of it (when I returned from the yard) let me know if it's more than <code> embedded texts

@DavidCarlisle I thought about burying sites that attract spammers but not users (that land at SE) but keeping still wins

@StefanKottwitz -- if you can point me to a post that isn't an interview, i'll take a look. (and i'll look back at the interview to check as well.) oh, i guess i could just go to the blog site and look through the archives. will try to do that soon. when will you have a chance to have at it?

@yo' -- please do ...

@barbarabeeton don't worry, I will have a thorough look. I'll do when I returned from travel.

@DavidCarlisle I seriously consider to continue German sites because of the excellent support of German users that is so, so great. English or international users seem to be fine with the commercial SE site so nobody would miss latex.org or some others. Usenet is there anyway.

@barbarabeeton well, the only chance from Prague is basically by car, which is quite tiring. Also the package is still not finished (and likely won't be until the conference). Also, I'm so far alone travelling from Prague

@DavidCarlisle Anyway, as latex.org is declined by the LaTeX team and I just wished to use a sub place latex.org/forum we may need to look for another parent or address :-)

@StefanKottwitz I don't really see tex.sx as commercial, clearly there is a company behind the stackexchange network, but same is true about more or less everything on the internet. And anyway since I work for a commercial (but not for profit) software company can't take too much of a stand on open source-only.

@DavidCarlisle I'm working for a commercial company too, of course. Need to pay my rent and support my family :-)

@DavidCarlisle The difference is more considering, is it mainly the commerce or the topic.

such as do the employees ("Community managers") support the TeX topic. I hope :-)

@StefanKottwitz yes but I don't see any commercial activity really on tex.sx a few ignorable adverts, mainly the community free ones anyway and a few out-of the way links to other sites on the network. I think having a de facto central place to collect answers is a good thing so competing sites dilute that by spreading resources.

I got to leave the WiFi... back to the ship (satellite Internet) see you...

@StefanKottwitz sorry clearly a reference to something but lost on me:-)

@StefanKottwitz bye

next bar next wifi :-) so still here

@StefanKottwitz :-)

@StefanKottwitz I can guess where twitter leads, probably same as y and y's old site. it's a stupid joke name and we are paying the price for that joke,

@StefanKottwitz sorry conversation disjointed. I thought you meant that latex.org would have ended up like the twitter link had you not rescued it (I don't use twitter really although i have an account, so i just assumed that the #latex tag was about the wrong sort of latex:-) I don't really understand your second comment (probably because I don't understand twitter:-)

3% battery :o may be I'm off soon but I may return once there's power and WiFi and sattellite