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Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
06:52
@Canageek Presumably something other than the basics of achemso: there haven't been a lot of changes
 
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Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
09:25
@egreg What do you think is a sensible definition for \Box in unicode-math? 
\documentclass{scrartcl}
%\usepackage{amssymb}
\usepackage{unicode-math}
\begin{document}
$\Box$
\end{document}
egreg
egreg
@UlrikeFischer Perhaps \mdlgwhtsquare U+25A1 or \mdwhtsquare U+25FB
wilx
wilx
@Canageek pdfLaTeX? I can't imagine it would be that hard to fix.
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@egreg There are a bit large compared to the ams square, but I will take it anyway. I don't want to load tons of math definitions and additional math fonts only for one symbol. Thanks
egreg
egreg
09:45
@UlrikeFischer Here's the output of ack '\\[^\s\{]*square' $(kpsewhich unicode-math-table.tex) 
\UnicodeMathSymbol{"020DE}{\enclosesquare            }{\mathord}{combining enclosing square}%
\UnicodeMathSymbol{"025A0}{\mdlgblksquare            }{\mathord}{square, filled}%
\UnicodeMathSymbol{"025A1}{\mdlgwhtsquare            }{\mathord}{square, open}%
\UnicodeMathSymbol{"025A3}{\blackinwhitesquare       }{\mathord}{white square containing black small square}%
\UnicodeMathSymbol{"025A4}{\squarehfill              }{\mathord}{square, horizontal rule filled}%
\UnicodeMathSymbol{"025A5}{\squarevfill              }{\mathord}{square, vertical rule filled}%
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright Oh my! :(
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@UlrikeFischer U+1F94A ?
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@DavidCarlisle But only if worn by a duck ;-)
egreg
egreg
@UlrikeFischer With XITS Math, U+25FB seems alike; with Asana Math it's U+2B1C. It depends on the font, I'm afraid.
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
10:01
Happy Pi day!
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
10:19
@egreg Imho it is quite okay if symbols looks different in different fonts -- I don't want to choose a symbol based on look but more on "meaning". But this is naturally difficult if you have a bunch of "squares".
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
10:45
@UlrikeFischer somewhere (oh tr25 I think) @barbarabeeton and Murray have a note about matching squares/diamonds/circles of various sizes....
@UlrikeFischer @egreg @barbarabeeton table 2.5 of unicode.org/reports/tr25
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle Can we replace the squares by ducks?
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda see my suggestion above for \Box, and the use that Ulrike suggested for it.
daleif
daleif
Why can \@afterheading inside a theorem, make spacing go away? MWE:
\documentclass[a4paper]{memoir}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[danish]{babel}
\usepackage{amsmath,amssymb,mathtools,bm,url,amsthm}
\usepackage{lipsum}
\theoremstyle{definition}
\newtheorem{videox}{Video}[chapter]
\makeatletter
\newenvironment{video}[1]{%
\begin{videox}
test
\@afterindentfalse
\@afterheading
\par
}{\end{videox}}

\makeatother
\begin{document}

\setcounter{chapter}{3}

\lipsum[4]

\begin{video}{vid:a2}
\end{video}

\lipsum[4]

\begin{video}{vid:a3}
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle ooh
@DavidCarlisle: you got a duck-related email yesterday, by the way. :)
daleif
daleif
Ahh, seems to help is I add \@nobreakfalse to the end of the env, nevermind
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
11:01
@PauloCereda I understand not these things. See the starred message from Joseph in the list on the right, the only ones I recognised were irc and wall:-)
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle ooh
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
11:48
This one wins "the worst answer of the year" prize: tex.stackexchange.com/q/358398/101651. Not only a "just do it for me" but also the image can hardly be seen!
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
Oh no I was reading
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Q: Error: Not in outer par mode with estwide table

E. WatsonI am new to using TeX. I am trying to call a table as a tex file that is created in Stata 14. I am using estwide command. But I am getting an error message " Not in outer par mode" . I checked the previously posted questions and answers about it, however the changes didn't correct the error. I a...

tables floats
and thinking why have they got this in the document 
  \bgroup\uccode`\~\expandafter`\string-%
  \uppercase{\egroup\edef~{\noexpand\text{\llap{\textendash}\relax}}}%
  \mathcode\expandafter`\string-"8000 }
then I scrolled the example to the right to read the comment just above......
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
12:27
Sorry, I intended the worst question: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/36028793#36028793
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@CarLaTeX This is a job for an optometrist first. :)
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@PauloCereda Yes, moreover I'm watching it from my smartphone and I'm longsighted!
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@CarLaTeX oh my
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
12:42
@CarLaTeX all of @egreg's questions are worse than that (and all of mine are better).
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@DavidCarlisle They (the ones of you both) are more... non existent :):):)
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
More biscuits here, I am happy! :)
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@PauloCereda I like biscuits!
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@CarLaTeX <3
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
12:59
@DavidCarlisle It can't be your code, there are no "zzz" in it.
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@UlrikeFischer yes seems like I was being radical and using yyy that day (or sat at a German keyboard:-)
egreg
egreg
@DavidCarlisle That's the other way around, of course.
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@egreg Like the difference between +0 and -0?
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@CarLaTeX but that's a real difference:-)
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@DavidCarlisle I'm not referring to the limits toward 0...
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
13:16
@CarLaTeX or IEEE floating point arithmetic (where 0 and - 0 are different values)
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@DavidCarlisle nor to that :):):)
yo'
yo'
@JosephWright Well, if only things like Trillian and Pidgin worked universally... :-/
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@DavidCarlisle @egreg @CarLaTeX: Obviously the room of questions is compact and the quality converges to the "no question at all infinity".
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
13:31
@UlrikeFischer Hahaha Let's organize a big party for the day one of them will ask a question!
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
13:44
I HAD CAKE
wooooooo
yo'
yo'
@PauloCereda I had Bún bò Nam Bแป™ :)
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@yo' yay! Wait, WHAT?!
yo'
yo'
@PauloCereda the perfection of Thai/Viet cuisine :) (IMHO)
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@yo' I tried to clean my monitor before noticing there's a little dot below the last o. :)
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@PauloCereda Biscuits, cake, is there a party?
yo'
yo'
13:47
@PauloCereda LOL
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@CarLaTeX a fair day's work for a fair day's pay.
yo'
yo'
@CarLaTeX there's always a party, for instance a Labour Party
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@yo' Parties are no more fashionable in Italy, now there are Movements (that is parties with another name) :):):)
yo'
yo'
anyway, gotta go, bye!
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@CarLaTeX I eat a lot. :)
@yo' Bye, Tom!
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
13:50
@PauloCereda me too hahaha
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@yo' don't tell @PauloCereda what I had for dinner last night
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle OH NO
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@DavidCarlisle Chinese duck?
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
o.O
OH NO
(")> HEEEEELP
HEEEEEEEEELP <(")
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
14:20
@CarLaTeX Half right (and it wasn't Chinese)
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle OH NO
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
@DavidCarlisle :):):)
 
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StrongBad
StrongBad
15:42
@egreg any insight on academia.stackexchange.com/questions/86337/… do Italian students really take 22 year long math courses?
egreg
egreg
16:36
@StrongBad If you count 5 years of primary school, 3 of middle school, 5 of high school and 3 for the first level degree, you arrive at 16; 2 years of second level degree and 3 of PhD make 21.
@StrongBad That's a silly way to measure things.
StrongBad
StrongBad
@egreg but don't you take a bunch of courses each year during your degree?
egreg
egreg
@StrongBad It depends on how you count them. We had 15 year long courses in the four years for degree. Now things have changed, you can't count โ€œannualitiesโ€.
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
17:29
@UlrikeFischer แž‡แŸ†แž“แžถแž‰แž—แžถแžŸแžถแžšแž”แžŸแŸ‹แžขแŸ’แž“แž€แž‚แžบแž›แŸ’แžขแžŠแžผแž…แžขแžŽแŸ’แžแžผแž„แžšแŸ‰แŸ‚
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@DavidCarlisle The moment i saw that, this one song came to my had: What does the fox say? With that being the answer.
Canageek
Canageek
@JosephWright That is what I thought, but the only packages loaded where, as I recall, achemso, subfig and one other one I forget.
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
Ylvis - The Fox (What Does The Fox Say?) [Official music video HD]
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Canageek
Canageek
And they involved something l3eexp or something along those lines compatibility errors and his only concern right now is getting hte paper out hte door
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Johannes_B What the duck
Canageek
Canageek
17:33
@egreg FIFTEEN classes during your PhD? I think I took 6 here at SFU
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@PauloCereda :-)
Torbjørn T.
Torbjørn T.
@PauloCereda Norwegian classic.
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@TorbjรธrnT. I actually know that song, it's even in my iPod playlist. :)
Canageek
Canageek
Lets see, Scientific Communication, PhD Transfer Course, Oranometallic Chemistry, Physical Properties of Organic Materials, Spectroscopy.....
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Johannes_B <3
Canageek
Canageek
17:34
Yep, six
yo'
yo'
@Canageek I've taken 4, and it's 0 in France.
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Canageek 6 more than I did
Canageek
Canageek
@yo' Two of those I didn't learn anything in, since they were mandatory
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@PauloCereda <3
yo'
yo'
@Canageek oh that's the 5th one here: Scientific English :)
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
17:35
@Canageek I think I took 10.
yo'
yo'
It was funny explaining all my mates that they have got too much text in their slides :-) When they saw my talk, someone said: "Now I know what 'less words on slides' does mean"
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Canageek
Canageek
@yo' 801: Scientific Communication. I've heard other years it was really good, like when my boss was teaching it, but there was a group of us contemplating smuggling alcohol in to help pass the time.
I was lucky, I joined right before 802 was made mandatory, as it is both useless and a ton of work.
They make you write the first chapter of your thesis, which for us inorganic chemists is usless as we don't know what our thesis is about until we are almost done
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle: British Library is the most awesome thing in the entire known universe.
Canageek
Canageek
But it is taught by natural product chemists (or was that year), who know what they are doing when they start then do that for a few years
@yo' Ok, that IS a good thing to learn.
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda you found the paper you were looking for?
Canageek
Canageek
17:38
Part of that might be that I've been doing presenations on powerpoint since high school. Every history and socail science class required one, most of the English and media studies classes....
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda It is a cool place, yes
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle Joseph found it for me, and I ordered.
Canageek
Canageek
Then at McMaster in my undergrad every 3rd and 4th year course required a final presentationh
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright <3
Canageek
Canageek
So how to present was drilled into my skull
egreg
egreg
17:38
@Canageek No, that was the four years for graduation.
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
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Canageek
Canageek
Also great way to get rid of stage fright: By the time you have presented that many times you go from 'this is scary' to 'NOT ANOTHER GODDAMN PRESENTATION, FCK
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
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David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda why the U+FFFD
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle I... don't know... something bad happened...
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
17:42
@PauloCereda it's hard to get your ducks in a row....
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle row row row your boat
Canageek
Canageek
Oh my non-LaTeX using girlfriend sent me this, thought you might like it, particularly @AlanMunn chronicle.com/blogs/linguafranca/2017/03/13/…
About LaTeX
She was VERY amused about \LaTeX being a thing
Thought I've found online2pdf.com the best way to move LaTeX to Word
StrongBad
StrongBad
@Canageek I just counted, I had 12 course for my PhD (which of course worked out to be about 1 per year).
Canageek
Canageek
@StrongBad I don't think my school has 12 applicable classes for me....
I guess I could take magnetism and solid state chem, but after that I'd be trying not to fail organic classes
StrongBad
StrongBad
@Canageek while the process was hellish, I can relate something I have done in the past week to something I learned in every class.
Canageek
Canageek
17:50
@StrongBad Wow, nice. That would be very difficult in chemistry, we specialize a lot.
StrongBad
StrongBad
@Canageek we specialized in a different way. I had a courses on the physics of sound, the peripheral auditory system, the brain stem, mid brain, cortex, head and neck anatomy, language and clinical problems in hearing. The rest were "practical" things like programing and signal processing and probability theory. I was taught a LOT about the ears but don't ask me about the eyes.
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
18:05
@StrongBad ooh
Canageek
Canageek
@StrongBad I do wish SFU had more grad classes available. McMaster had 3 different NMR classes, and on X-Ray Crystallography, and a ton of other stuff. SFU doesn't have nearly the selection. :(
CarLaTeX
CarLaTeX
18:30
The Expert (Short Comedy Sketch)
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barbara beeton
barbara beeton
18:54
@yo' -- good grief! times have changed! i had to take 8 one-semester courses for a master's (one of which was actually preparation for writing thesis). no wonder it took me five hears (while working full time to pay for it); most full-time students finished in in one or two years.
yo'
yo'
@barbarabeeton for masters it was a lot here!
Fabian Pijcke
Fabian Pijcke
19:07
Hi !
Will I get flamed if I answer this (very simple) question: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/358416/…
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@FabianPijcke no one gets flamed much around here.
Fabian Pijcke
Fabian Pijcke
Ok, then, question 2, do you think it is a good idea to answer this kind of questions? :p
StrongBad
StrongBad
@FabianPijcke but you will be stealing a green tick from egreg, @DavidCarlisle will tell you that is about as hard as a question that egreg can answer.
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@StrongBad it's math so mostly not sensitive to % at ends of lines, so rather out of his area of expertise
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Fabian Pijcke
Fabian Pijcke
Oh, egreg was helpful to me way too many times on this forum for me doing anything bad for him :p
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
19:12
@FabianPijcke I don't think it does any harm, if you have an answer, and helps the person asking the question:-)
Fabian Pijcke
Fabian Pijcke
Ok, let's grab 15 reputation then :D
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@FabianPijcke anyway there is precedent for posting easy answers to soft questions , I got a couple of gold badges and a few thousand points of this tex.stackexchange.com/questions/94889/…
 
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David Carlisle
David Carlisle
20:56
images playing up again?
We're aware the Stack Overflow Imgur hosting is offline for HTTPS, we're reaching out to them now to figure out what's going on.
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
21:21
@JosephWright vv 
\documentclass{article}

\usepackage[unicode]{hyperref}

\begin{document}

\end{document}
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle ???
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright do you get ! LaTeX Error: \newtie not declared in encoding PU.
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle No, but perhaps I need to update
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright I think I just broke hyperref in the last latex release but I'm surprised it's not been reported, oh... perhaps it's in the unreleased bits of ltoutenc.., let me check
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle All seems OK here ...
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
21:32
@JosephWright if you used DeclareTextComposite without having previously declared the accent command you got no error but it did some completely useless csname defined to be relax behaviour that would generate an error if the command was used. so I made it an error at the point of definition. but hyperref's puenc.def declares composites with newtie without declaring newtie... (but only for me, it seems:-)
@JosephWright Phew it's just in the svn version of ltoutenc.dtx not on ctan, so I have some time to update hyperref:-) 
\def\DeclareTextCompositeCommand#1#2#3#4{%
  \expandafter\let\expandafter\reserved@a\csname#2\string#1\endcsname
  \ifx\reserved@a\relax
   \@latex@error{\string#1 not declared in encoding #2}\@eha
  \else

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