@egreg Thank you. (sheepish look)

@DavidCarlisle I built an Achilles Heel into the package, in case I need to self-destruct it.

After all, they say you should bury the code with the author.

@StevenB.Segletes you are in good company looking at egreg's list:-)

@JosephWright I won't object, since somebody else has nominated me. At least, it seems rude. But I've had a membership twice. Shouldn't I be disqualified or something? Also, asking for chronos to make it to CTAN would be a much more realistic reason to nominate me. Though I'm having enough trouble with prooftrees.

is it uncommon to struggle with TeX problems for more than 4hrs?

Hello LaTeX SE! I recently asked a question on PPCG about golfing in Tikz and thought it might be interesting for LaTeX enthusiasts to checkout.

@Vass Depends what it is :)

@cfr Well I do favour self-nomination but when we said that people were unhappy, so I allowed third-party ones ...

@Vass some of us have been struggling with the same TeX problems for years

@egreg: Happy day of Our Lady of Lourdes!

@StevenB.Segletes, @ThomasF.Sturm, @Jan, @Zarko You have been nominated in the TUG thread by a third-party: can you confirm you are happy to go forward to the election phase

@JosephWright Yes, I will marry Alessandra Ambrósio ooh mod ping

@JosephWright third - party sounds disrespectful ;-)

@PauloCereda One of the commentators of Italy-Wales was talking about a particularly unlucky Wales player, who suffered several injuries, saying he should visit Lourdes; the other commentator said he would probably find the site closed.

@egreg oh my

@PauloCereda So unlucky that at the “who's the unluckiest” game he arrived the second.

@egreg :) My uncle used to say about a bad Palmeiras player (in the past): he is so bad that, if by some divine intervention, he manages to score a goal, in the replay he would have missed it!

@JosephWright Joseph, I am very honored. I am member of DANTE, but not of TUG. So I am very happy to go forward. Thank you.

Hi there! I use minted with LaTeX. I found the listing-environment provided by minted very handy but I do not understand the first optional parameter of \begin{listing} like [H]. What are the possible options and what do they do?

@tjati: mirrors.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/minted/minted.pdf, page 9

@tjati Hello! It's regarding float positioning. :)

Have you ever used stuff like [htpb] in a figure environment? It's basically the same concept.

Ducks are good with floats. :)

@PauloCereda A flood of floats ;-)

@ChristianHupfer you naughty German <3

@PauloCereda I'll do my best :D

@ChristianHupfer :D

@PauloCereda Thank you so much!

@tjati My pleasure! Make yourself at home, we are all friendly here. :)

@PauloCereda That's a lie.... I am never friendly

Just don't mention the unholy editor here and you will be safe. :)

@ChristianHupfer boo

@tjati: He means vim ;-)

@ChristianHupfer YOU MEAN

@Christian: I will borrow @barbara's frying pan and hit you in the head :)

@PauloCereda: vim is satanic, since devi l m ;-)

@PauloCereda I am from Black Forest, my head is made of wood... the pan will be damaged

@ChristianHupfer vvv

Linus Torvalds
Public
Jul 11, 2012
If you're as confused as I am, you probably have your fingers and brainstem trained for an editor from decades ago, and you simply can't get real work done with anything else.

But decades ago, nobody used UTF8, and if US-ASCII was good enough for 'murricans, it was damn well good enough for you too.

If you were some furriner with odd characters (but not too many of them), you would remap such useless characters as '{' '}' and '|' to be your odd foreign 'å' 'ä' and 'ö' characters, which made C programming with your Finnish terminal look really odd.

@PauloCereda Even geniuses can err ;-)

Gentleman, I hope you may allow me to ask another question about minted. I dislike the way, how the listings are included, because the font size is to big and I miss some borders around them. I know, I can add these options to every listing I have, but I wonder if there is any way to define that once for all minted-envorinemnts I use?

....and Gentleducks, of course. I beg your pardon.

@tjati @PauloCereda's full title is His Majesty Paulo the First, Master of Procrastination ;-)

@ChristianHupfer oy

I'd retort accordingly, but I am lazy :)

@PauloCereda <3

@ChristianHupfer <3

@tjati I think the \usemintedstyle is the key. You have to define a style of your own, however

@ChristianHupfer woah, thanks for that! The documentation points to \setminted what is what i was look for. thank you.

Well, there is just one thing for me to go and I would be more than happy if you may help me for another time. Now I ask you how I can remove the big space between my caption and the bottomline of my code block.

Or maybe, I go for that another time. So I can focus now on writing the paper.

Thank you very much and I wish you a lovely saturday.

in a galaxy far, far away...

@JosephWright I thought I successfully dodged the bullet yesterday. My concern is I have no spare time. If the role involves duty, I would render myself unsuccessful; if the role is honorary, and merely involves a year free subscription to the TUG newsletter, I would think that one with more spare time would be able to make better use of it. Nonetheless, since there seems to be a persistence about this nomination, I will accept, despite the nil repute I might bring to the role.

@StevenB.Segletes It is basically purely honorary. It's very nice to be receiving TUGboat!

@StevenB.Segletes As I've said several times, personally I favour only self-nominations but that doesn't seem popular in the community. The entire reason for asking if you are happy is to avoid any sense of imposition on anyone.

@JosephWright Having aired my views clearly, it can now hardly be called an imposition were I to be selected. So my acceptance of the nomination stands.

@StevenB.Segletes YAY

@StevenB.Segletes: ducks are very persuasive. :)

@Steven: did you see the eloquent text I wrote? It was a magum opus. :)

@samcarter Ops... I forgot it! Thank you!

@PauloCereda Everything you write is eloquent. To which text in particular do you refer?

@StevenB.Segletes awww thank you. :) I meant your nomination. :)

@StevenB.Segletes: meta.tex.stackexchange.com/a/7224/3094

:D

I have a tendency of using British English, it's because I want to be English. :)

@PauloCereda Concise, clear, penetrating. On a par with General McAuliffe at Bastogne.

@StevenB.Segletes oooooh

@Steven: I submitted a paper to an international conference. One of the reviewers said, "this text is too much British". :)

@PauloCereda To which you replied, "bugger off"?

@StevenB.Segletes EXACTLY

@StevenB.Segletes: It's not my fault that instead of writing This paper is organized as follows: ..., I wrote Blimey, ol' chap! We'd rather quit this dillydally nonsense and present the paper organisation, or we end to bestow disaster of nightmarish proportions and whatnot!

@PauloCereda Tally ho! You're a capital fellow!!

@StevenB.Segletes awww <3

@PauloCereda Now on air: radioswissclassic.ch/it/banca-dati-musicale/titolo/…

@egreg yay! Thanks!

@PauloCereda I've heard better performances, but this is always precious.

@egreg It's a very nice performance.

@PauloCereda Brendel was better.

@egreg oh

@egreg Generally regarded as the best, so not that surprising

@karlkoeller You've been nominated in the TUG thread: are you happy to go into the election?

Hi, I uploaded my article which I use to publish preprints for computer science papers. Do you have any suggestions/improvements? github.com/chrsmrrs/articletemplate

@PauloCereda As we are just hearing "Gaudy night" again here a quote for you: "How fleeting are all human passions compared with the massive continuity of ducks."

@UlrikeFischer oooh :)

@Christopher \mathcal{A}, see tex.stackexchange.com/questions/1863 and tex.stackexchange.com/a/82158/586 (what is written in bold).

@TorbjørnT. Thanks :)

@Christopher Load hyperref last, drop pdftex in \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx}

@Christopher As you have cleverref, note it should come after hyperref: this is unusual (there are very few packages that go after hyperref)

is there a way to use this diagram without using the standalone doc type? tex.stackexchange.com/a/201266/69118

@baxx It's just a picture: standalone is only used to make it a 'complete' PDF

@JosephWright I think he meant it because of PSTricks.

oh, hrm. I'll check again

@JosephWright Thank you.

@egreg Regarding tex.stackexchange.com/a/353315/2388 Where do you see the downsides of using \text{\usefont{U}{eus}{m}{n}#1} instead of "real" math alphabet?

@JosephWright did you see that xetex hyperref graphics question it looks a bit odd but I'm not really online today, Heiko commented so perhaps he'll sort it out...

\documentclass{book}
\begin{document}
\tableofcontents
\chapter*{Wombat}
\section{Capybara}
\end{document}

^^ @ChristianHupfer

@DavidCarlisle Saw it but Heiko seems to have it covered

@DavidCarlisle meh.... although I have been using TeX (latex and beamer) for years I never truly appreciated the extent of the knowledge base that goes into documents. It has even given me a philosophical angle of how something like a language can be so so 'intricate' and the obvious complexity which comes with intricacy. @DavidCarlisle

@JosephWright oh has he responded, I'll look...

@JosephWright ah image resolution again, just been through that on luatex:-(

@JosephWright well, as time goes by I wonder if I have the 'knack' for TeX. Some people have different predispositions for the logical framework of different languages. Could TeX be an Achilles heel for me? ^^

@UlrikeFischer Re. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/353275, I had a feeling it would show up in dvipdfmx too :)

@DavidCarlisle dvipdfmx bug

Either way, I have ordered a used version of Knuth's book (the spiral edition) ex-library are my favorite. I will read it, regardless if I can 'get it' but will give it a shot! there is a bit of satisfaction to understand at least what some of the error refer to instead of 'blindly' changing things till they work.

@JosephWright so not my fault :-)

@JosephWright Is this really the same user or am i mistaken? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/353328/…

I have a new palindrome for reputation:

@Johannes_B Seems so

@JosephWright I am not unhappy to be nominated. I like being a member and could not afford to be otherwise. I am just not sure that it is fair.

@cfr Experience suggests if I simply post the nomination thread and wait, there will be fewer names than available spaces

@Kurt @DavidCarlisle will say No

@ChristianHupfer Wait, wrong order. I thought @DavidCarlisle would react (as usual) first :-)

The "neverending story" about the comma ...

@Kurt \let\ChristianHupfer\DavidCarlisle (but only in a group, not globally ;-)

@ChristianHupfer LOL

@Kurt: Now that I have 3 digits to both side of the comma I don't see how I can get a palindrome at the moment, with the leading 1 to appear at the end again ...

@ChristianHupfer Well, then you need a leading 2 ... ;-)

@UlrikeFischer No real downside; it's less efficient.

@Kurt Could take a while :D Papiro's gone :D

@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle: Well it still could be a driver error of graphics and that it doesn't write the correct special to the dvi. But Heikos remark about rwi sounded as if he put the blame on dvipdfmx.

@ChristianHupfer I lost 800 rep when papiro leaves. At that moment I had nearly reached 25k ...

@Kurt I lost 5200 ....

@Kurt @PauloCereda will activate the voting squad ... let's see what happens

@ChristianHupfer LOL

@egreg Because \text has to go through \mathchoice all the time? I suspected that this is the main problem but wasn't quite sure.

@UlrikeFischer \mathpalette would be slightly faster, but there's no real point in using it.

@UlrikeFischer Could be: I've not yet looked at hyperlinks for expl3 so don't have any really tested code (the box ops in expl3 have been worked on pretty hard)

@ChristianHupfer let's hope the voting squad won't ever deactivate their accounts. @PauloCereda @egreg

@yo' @PauloCereda is not yet a high reputation user (in terms of SE, I think), his votes would be really lost, @egreg's vote will remain, is somewhat a high reputation user ;-)

@ChristianHupfer @PauloCereda's well over the 'manual handling' line

@JosephWright Ah, I thought the level would be higher. @PauloCereda: Please stay here anyway!!!

@JosephWright well, his votes are worth over 400k, really extraordinary

@ChristianHupfer that was for me the main downside of losing Papiro's votes I was on a 4-9 cycle so aiming for 444444 but now I'm on 0-5 so need a few downvotes

@DavidCarlisle I think we can arrange that ... Or you ask some questions and accept the answers ;-)

Yeah, my first Gold - Badge - Hammer close ;-) I feel the Dark side is strong in me ;-)

@DavidCarlisle Do you remember if between TL14 and TL16 a bug regarding jpg resolution has been corrected in pdftex or graphics? I have a jpg with 180 dpi which has now smaller (but correct size) while in TL14 it seems to have been calculated with 72 dpi.

@UlrikeFischer possibly, I'll check... But image resolution has come up so often for every back end hard to recall which is which

@cfr -- if it matters, i think you have earned your keep.

@UlrikeFischer searching for resolution in pdftex list see nothing other than a thread in 2010 about png handling, there was a xetex/dvipdfmx thread about exif resolution handling around that time

@barbarabeeton How was the shoveling?

@barbarabeeton Thank you ;).

@egreg -- with our most excellent next-door neighbors doing most of it, tolerable. got another 3-5cm last night, and winter storm warning posted for tomorrow through monday. in the meantime, we're staying off the highway. the side streets may be un- or poorly plowed, but they have escape routes. the worst part is that the bottom layer is about 1cm of sheer ice.

maybe i should unearth my ice axe and crampons ...

@barbarabeeton :)

@barbarabeeton lol

@yo' -- you think i'm kidding? (i might, just for fun, bring out a little winter "walking stick" that belonged to either my grandfather or one of my uncles as a boy. it has a wooden shaft, a sharp steel point with square cross-section, and the handle is a goat's horn attached perpendicular to the shaft with a goat's hoof just below it. too short for me to use comfortably unless i bend way over. but quite unusual!)

@barbarabeeton sorry, I'm probably not exactly polite now, but somehow my imagination of you and an axe was stronger than me...

@DavidCarlisle Yes I remember the exif discussion too, but I checked and it is correct. Also xetex shows the correct size (1605pt) in all systems, while lualatex and pdflatex shows 4014pt in older and 1605pt in newer systems. But it can't be graphics as I see it with \pdfximage too so it is not your fault ;-)

@egreg as expected from a much younger person my "too many math alphabets" answer is much more modern than yours.

@yo' -- actually, i've used both a hatchet and an ax (single blade only) reasonably competently, with no damage to myself or any other animal. trees and bushes haven't been so lucky.

@barbarabeeton btw, crampons are mačky in Czech, and mačky means cats in Slovak. A mere coincidence? -- I doubt it.

now I'm off sorry, gotta practice the organ for tomorrow

@yo' -- well, cats do have nice sharp claws, and good balance. i think you're on to something. (but i'd never try to climb a tree with crampons on my feet.)

@barbarabeeton and I would never try to walk on ice with cats on my feet :D

@yo' -- what delightful kittens. how long did it take the one on the left to try to climb up the leg?

@yo' Cute cats... I doubt you would find them in snow, however :D

ook! just got the latest weather outlook. maybe hurricane-force winds offshore, and the models aren't clear yet about where the highest precip will occur, or whether it will be "wintry mix" (i.e., more glare ice) or shovelable snow. may get another "snow day" on monday ... the hordes will be out clearing the shelves of bread and milk ...

@DavidCarlisle I found a message from Akira from februar 2015 saying something like "In r36291 in TeX Live repository, Exif is supported in writejpg.c ...". The context isn't completly there but it sounds as if something has changed here ...

@barbarabeeton you'll have to ask Google as it's his image :-)

@barbarabeeton seriously, do get your cats crampons

@yo' -- well, i'll certainly get out my "yak trax". not quite as heavy duty as crampons, but they're not quite as hard on floors. just heard from neighbor that the snowplow came along again, and blocked in our driveways. he shoveled, bless him, but none of us are looking forward to tomorrow's addition ... (hope your organ practicing went well.)

@barbarabeeton 'twas fine

I'm actually at my parents', grandma-sitting

hey all

i'm having difficulty getting a style file to be loaded.

on one of my computers, i have naturemag.bst in the directory /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/bibtex/nature/ and it works fine.

i just made this directory on my other computer, put the same style file there, and for some reason latex won't load it.

both computers run ubuntu

can anyone provide some guidance?

@dbliss Hi

@Johannes_B hello.

@dbliss Where is your main file? Copy that bst file into the folder with your main file that you compile.

ok, i'll try that

ok, that works for me.

should i just leave it there?

i was thinking having it available to the whole system would be the best option.

@dbliss sudo mktexlsr (or whatever method you use for acquiring superuser privileges)

@egreg -- here's our snowy street. our house is the one at the right.

@barbarabeeton You really did a good shoveling!

@egreg -- that was before the snowplow blocked it in again. and it was our neighbor who did the shoveling -- we owe him! actually, the open driveway and the low brick wall are the neighbor's. ours is just beyond the brick wall, and you can't even see the opening for the great pile of snow. when we get more, don't know where we can put it!

@barbarabeeton Make up a staircase with snow and go into the house from the second floor.

Voting open:

Note that there are more than eight potential nominees but I am still awaiting confirmation that they will all go forward

@barbarabeeton We had snow! However, I was asleep and missed it :(. Of course, it might be fake news just to tease me.