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yo'
yo'
07:45
@MartinSchröder I answered.
Btw, do you think anybody's gonna do something about this?
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Q: Tags displayed in bold

Paulo CeredaPersonally, I don't like them. But maybe this is beyond the point. Were we consulted about this?

feature-request bug tagging design fonts
yo'
yo'
08:13
@David I hope you really meant TetX there...
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@yo' It depends on what you would like to happen after the talk. I would try to put something in it that perhaps triggers the following discussion in the "right" direction. You could put a slide "outlook on the future and open question" -- but only if you are confident that you can discuss about the open questions. Or "At last: a special case:" (that you know well). Or a short summary of the main points.
yo'
yo'
@UlrikeFischer a short summary is what I had and found natural, especially since there are 3 quite independent parts of the thesis. However, this was frowned upon by my Czech supervisor.
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@yo' I hope so. @Joseph wanted to ping the SE team about this, i think.
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@Johannes_B I ask once the US is online
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@JosephWright Ok. :-)
yo'
yo'
08:32
@JosephWright makes sense :) Thanks!
we need a chat feed for TeX questions at Code Review.
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@yo' Well, that is the strange thing. Code review exists, also for LaTeX. No matter that every question and answer here basically gets a code review.
yo'
yo'
@Johannes_B well, we tend to include code review in our answers. That's a good thing. Still, a pure CR question would be OT IMHO
(hey, the shorthands are cool: well, we tend to include CR in our As. That's a good thing. Still, a pure CR Q would be OT IMHO. Damn I can't even understand it anymore...)
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@yo' :-)
Coffee not strong enough
yo'
yo'
@Johannes_B no coffee yet today
oh, NO COFFEE YET TODAY PANIC!!!
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@yo' You should change that ;-)
yo'
yo'
08:45
@Johannes_B brb :-)
(heating up)
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
Yesterday, i was cloudy, grey, raining. Today, sunshine and a nice blue sky. Beautiful.
yo'
yo'
@Johannes_B a bit misty here, signs of slight inversion. But still sunny, when you live on a hill and are in the 12th floor...
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@yo' 12th floor. Skyscraper.
yo'
yo'
one of the good fancy cafés in Prague is called INeedCoffee :-)
@Johannes_B not quite :-)
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@yo' In my town, it is :-)
yo'
yo'
08:49
@Johannes_B I gotta go now, I have to print something from linux and then leave
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@yo' Ok, have a good time ;-)
yo'
yo'
@Johannes_B coffee's ready, so I will :)
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@yo' :-)
yo'
yo'
bye and have a nice day!
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@yo' oh yes:-)
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
08:50
Bye
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
09:13
@DavidCarlisle So TU it is ...
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright or we could use XZ ...
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Interesting thing is from Frank's POV it arguably is correct to use U (as one cannot know all of the glyphs that are available) :-)
egreg
egreg
09:31
@DavidCarlisle Did you lose ticks recently? :P
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@egreg It was stolen not lost.
@JosephWright U would work it's UC that clashes as it overlaps family names that start with c
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Yes, but it would be misleading I think (it's really not 'unknown' in the same way as was meant when fontenc was written)
@DavidCarlisle Wasn't a serious suggestion: just noting
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright meanwhile I'm arguing with unicode that adding a lowercase greek sans alphabet that consists of just one letter, theta, is suboptimal.
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle I can live with TU
@DavidCarlisle Yes, I know
 
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David Carlisle
David Carlisle
11:01
@egreg speaking of losing ticks @UlrikeFischer stole the one you should have had for (not) redefining \c :-)
Will Robertson
Will Robertson
11:29
@JosephWright sorry Joseph :-)
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@WillRobertson you've got a new cup
egreg
egreg
@DavidCarlisle So I added a proper definition: 
\def\turc#1\c#2\turc{\def\turc{#1\turc#2}}
\expandafter\turc\c\turc
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@egreg still doesn't help any one who uses inputenc and ç
egreg
egreg
@DavidCarlisle Of course: I added “if you like getting into troubles”…
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@egreg I think I prefer \def\turc{\turc}
egreg
egreg
11:40
@DavidCarlisle That's essentially what the OP is looking for. :)
user174558
12:06
I came to announce that the current intended date of publication of More Math Into LaTeX, fifth edition, is 26/02/2016!
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Jasper shame it's not 61/02/2016 :-)
user305938
user305938
Hi fellas, I need help setting up texlive ^^
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Jasper do you know what's new (not seen any of the editions for a while:-)
@user305938 OK but often it's best to ask questions on the question site:-)
user305938
user305938
So I did install properly, and the /usr/local/texlive/2015/bin/x86_64-linux/ is the directory where all the files are saved
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@user305938 well not all the files, but the binaries, yes.
user305938
user305938
12:21
tex --version in the terminal gives an output like this pdfTeX 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.16 (TeX Live 2015)
kpathsea version 6.2.1
Copyright 2015 Peter Breitenlohner (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX).
There is NO warranty. Redistribution of this software is
covered by the terms of both the pdfTeX copyright and
the Lesser GNU General Public License.
For more information about these matters, see the file
named COPYING and the pdfTeX source.
Primary author of pdfTeX: Peter Breitenlohner (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX).
so I guess the installation went successful
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@user305938 looks about right
user305938
user305938
then I went ahead and installed texstudio
when I start it up it says : no latex distribution found
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@user305938 only thing I know about texstudio is that it isn't emacs:-)
user305938
user305938
lol
so I tried to tell texstudio where texlive is
but what exactly does it need to know?
in windows i would chose sth like blabla.exe
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
:2718589 this is why it's best to ask questions in the question site, they hang around until someone answers. here you rely on people in chat at the time or it scrolls off the top and I have never seen texstudio.
user305938
user305938
12:24
ok thx tho
samcarter
samcarter
@user305938 have a look at tex.stackexchange.com/a/38635/36296
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
12:59
@WillRobertson So we all call you Robert now ;-)
barbara beeton
barbara beeton
13:31
@Jasper -- i'll be sure to take a very careful look at it, and let george know about any glitches that i find.
Will Robertson
Will Robertson
@JosephWright Fine by me :)
Will Robertson
Will Robertson
13:48
@DavidCarlisle ???
@DavidCarlisle BTW let me know if I'm not helping in this discussio…
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
14:02
@WillRobertson your picture here
@WillRobertson no, good arXiv examples, published (or what passes for publishing these days:-) papers is what they like most of all.
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
14:16
@barbarabeeton Just bought a new physical chemistry textbook: I notice that (once again) they use the 'Plimsoll mark' for standard state. Did you get anywhere with this in Unicode (or rather its absence)?
barbara beeton
barbara beeton
14:45
@JosephWright -- that one has gone off my screen; i'll have to dig. (but it will be sometime next week at the earliest. urgent project taking precedence.)
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@barbarabeeton Oh, certainly
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@barbarabeeton have you been encouraging @JosephWright vvvvv
tex.stackexchange.com/revisions/290076/2
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle :-)
Will Robertson
Will Robertson
@DavidCarlisle Oh yes. Something seemed to happen to my old one.
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@WillRobertson the new one would have had the advantage that I would have recognised you when meeting in person:-)
barbara beeton
barbara beeton
14:55
@DavidCarlisle -- now why would i do a thing like that? @JosephWright is entirely capable of taking care of himself! (setting a good example, maybe ...)
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@barbarabeeton or taking care of me, apparently
Will Robertson
Will Robertson
@DavidCarlisle I guess I'll have to grow my hair again to keep this photo :)
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@WillRobertson On your latest team mail, I'm currently pondering exactly what you outline (what e.g. \"a 'means' in a Unicode engine), though admittedly only for a 'new' format ...
Will Robertson
Will Robertson
@JosephWright I don't know either :) I'm making it up as I go along. If you want to talk hypotheticals, I would suggest that we use Lua intercept input strings and normalise them to an LICR-like format. This gives us the greatest flexibility and ability to do interesting things. "Just get a better font" only works 95% of the time :)
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@WillRobertson Hmm
@WillRobertson Doesn't work with XeTeX (though makes the 8-bit equivalent somewhat conceptually similar)
Will Robertson
Will Robertson
15:05
@JosephWright Yeah I know. I think Frank has lots to say in this area too.
@JosephWright In my hypothetical future we only have to worry about one unicode TeX engine :)
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@WillRobertson Like I say, I am fiddling about, at this stage to get hyphenation patterns loaded but as that has a knock-on ...
@WillRobertson Well yes but we know that there are issues (speed, ultimate quality of math mode output, DVI mode, ...)
@WillRobertson Of course, if one does follow the ConTeXt approach and go LuaTeX-only then a lot of things get easier
Will Robertson
Will Robertson
@JosephWright I don't think this hypothetical future is going to happen any time soon!!!
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@WillRobertson No, but I'm not sure one could ever say you can drop pdfTeX for a reasonably large subset of users
Will Robertson
Will Robertson
@JosephWright Indeed, I am shocked using my underpowered 2012-era laptop how slow LuaTeX is :(
@JosephWright We should have discussed this more in Germany -- coz we had heaps of spare time just to talk about more things :) -- in my mind we have three things: 2e, 2e+l3ine2, and "pure l3". When I talk about hypothetical future, and this includes some sort of latex3-only format, we're really talking about something entirely new that people will have to switch to. 2e+l3in2e will keep everyone busy for a long time to come, though.
People seem to think that we're only working on one or the other, and I think it's not even clear to us sometimes :)
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@WillRobertson Yes, agreed, but even there for users writing in western European languages pdfTeX with an approach looking like T1/UTF-8 is still going to be quite workable
Will Robertson
Will Robertson
15:15
oops better run — good night!
@JosephWright Keep me up to date with your thinking on hyphenation patterns and encodings &c…
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@WillRobertson Will do: probably aim to make some checkins soon
 
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enderland
enderland
16:21
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Q: Converting a TeX document to SE markdown?

enderlandPortions of my masters thesis work, which was never published officially, could be pretty easily adapted to a very comprehensively answer to a question on Programmers about Particle Swarm Optimization. However, I foolishly wisely1 chose to write it in LaTeX which means I cannot just copy/paste i...

conversion
Not 100% sure this is going to be on topic, so any suggestions/edits appreciated :)
leonardo cesar
leonardo cesar
=)
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
16:58
probably off topic really. A lot of the sites eg math.stackexchange accept mathjax so you could just post the align as it is, but apparently that one (like this one) does not have mathjax enabled.
@enderland not to mention, why are you starting a paragraph in your thesis with with ?:-)
enderland
enderland
@DavidCarlisle it's immediately following some formulas
:)
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@enderland and?
enderland
enderland
@DavidCarlisle it flows fine in the text
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
tex and latex go to a lot of effort to distinguish mid-paragraph displays from displays at end of paragraph so if you are needing \noindent the input (and probably the vertical spacing) is wrong.
enderland
enderland 
:27192137 >
	The generalized form for a nonlinear constrained optimization problem is given as

	\begin{align*}  \labeltarget{eq:opproblem}
		&\operatorname{Minimize}& & F_p(\bar{x})  \quad & &p=1,\dots,l & &\text{\nameref{sec:objectivefunction}}\\
		&\operatorname{Subject\;To} & &g_j(\bar{x}) \leq 0, \quad & &j= 1,\dots,m & &\text{\nameref{sec:inequalityconstraints}} \\
		&&&h_k(\bar{x}) = 0, \quad & &k= 1, \dots,p  & &\text{\nameref{sec:equalityconstraints}} \\
		&&&x_{low,i} \le x_{i} \le x_{up,i}, \quad & &i = 1, \dots,n  & &\text{\nameref{sec:sideconstraints}}
is the full context
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
17:05
@enderland presumably you have a blank line above the \noindent (oh guess was right:-) a blank line is not cosmetic it is \par the end of paragraph command, so if it isn't the end of paragraph the correct markup is not to have the blank line not to try to hide the paragraph by hiding the indent. Other things (notably vertical space) are also potentially different.
enderland
enderland
ah, well that would have been ok then
to just not have the blank line :)
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@enderland and never have a blank line before a math display (that always makes bad spacing)
enderland
enderland
it's ok. I don't need to ever touch this again, except modifying it to post a chunk on SE
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@enderland sure but you might make another document:-) For SE since it's not got mathjax and it's only an answer so you can't be more than a few hundred lines anyway I wouldn't use a tool at all I'd just spend a few minutes in a text editor converting that to plain text.
enderland
enderland
@DavidCarlisle well to be fair the answer I'm writign is about 25k characters worth. I think I'll just screenshot the complex equations (eww) to make it easier, and if I want to come back later I can..
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
17:24
@enderland Isn't there a character limit on SE sites?
enderland
enderland
@Johannes_B yes, 30,000 :)
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@enderland I have some useful techniques for compressing text to stay under that limit:
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A: Holiday contest! Drawing a picture of Krampus for Yule

David CarlisleYou did ask for a Christmas tree? (I updated the tree to straighten it out) \font \t=cmtt10 at 1.5pt \t \baselineskip 1...

Alenanno
Alenanno
18:04
@ChristianHupfer You uncovered my cunning plan!
lol
 
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Johannes_B
Johannes_B
19:04
The tags are not bold anymore, but now user names are red.
Alenanno
Alenanno
1
A: Links are invisible on the Main site

Kurtis BeaversThanks for your input. We've adjusted the links and they are now red.

egreg
egreg
@Alenanno Not sure I like it.
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@egreg @egreg Same here.
yo'
yo'
19:48
@egreg @Alenanno @Johannes_B I think we'll soon get used to it. for me, it's ok. Even the right panel which is now all-red. The red is close enough to the standard title brown to blend in, IMHO.
@Paulo Acceeeeeeeptttttt! :)
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@yo' Why not make that brown the standard?
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
20:04
The code highlight now makes braces red.
yo'
yo'
20:15
@Johannes_B I dunno, why yes? Btw, the red colour is the TeX logo colour, moreorless
It's not something that really bothers me anymore.
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@yo' Looks a bit heavy, imho.
yo'
yo'
@Johannes_B with the right definition of "heavy" :)
Now I'm sorry but I gotta go, I get up at 5 tomorrow with a long day to expect...
Good night
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@yo' Good night ;-)
user174558
20:28
@DavidCarlisle It includes a chapter on illustrations (probably about TikZ) and also talks about how to use LaTeX on an iPad. It was scheduled for Nov, then Dec, then Jan, then Feb. No idea if there will be any more delays. Info on springer.com.
user174558
@barbarabeeton Thanks. I took a look at his Practical LaTeX too, published in 2014.
user174558
@egreg I would like to ask you, since you are an Italian mathematician, whether there are many papers written in Italian.
egreg
egreg
@Jasper No, just a few, nowadays.
@Jasper It used to be an accepted language on some international journals.
user174558
@egreg So other than English, it is mostly French and German?
egreg
egreg
@Jasper I don't think you'd find many papers in French or German in high rated journals.
user174558
20:37
@egreg OK, thanks for your opinion. In US grad school, one has to translate a paper in French, German or Russian as part of the requirements, and I was thinking of which language is useful to learn.
egreg
egreg
@Jasper Probably French or Russian.
user174558
@egreg I see. It seems that the Germans are very good in English, so they write their papers in English these days.
egreg
egreg
@Jasper Yes. Also Russians, I believe.
The colors on the site are better suited for Dracula, in my opinion, than for us mortals. :(
Also braces in code became red!
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
21:07
@egreg Noticed that, but what color was it before?
egreg
egreg
@Johannes_B I can't say; some gray, I guess.
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@KurtisBeavers: The {} and [] inside a code block used to be gray (I think); now they're red. — Werner 48 mins ago
@egreg ^^
egreg
egreg
@Johannes_B I think it's unrelated to unbolding, but rather to the color of links.
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@egreg Yep, think so too.
@ChristianHupfer Marmorkuchen im Ofen. Morgen Kuchenbasar.
 
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Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
22:48
Evening @DavidCarlisle
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright just got in:-)
@JosephWright all set for a release?
user174558
I like to install from the TeX Live ISO instead of the net installation so that I get the official frozen version. =)
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle I think so
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Jasper why? (frozen version is scary just an arbitrary cut off, but the safety net is that people can easily update even if they installed from CD)
user174558
@DavidCarlisle Oh, I thought that the frozen version is the only one that is tested as a whole, according to the website, so it must be the "best". =)
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
22:58
@Jasper look at the core latex release, the texlive 2015 CD had latex 2015/01/01 on it, we had tested it for weeks but it only really gets stress tested after the CD goes out so shortly after that, latex 2015/01/01 patch levl1 and a couple of months later patch level2, then in october a new latex 2015/10/01. If you stick with the CD version you have the unpatched 2015/01/01 release. that's just the core latex, same is true of every contrib package as well.
@JosephWright ive been to the souldern horticultural society cheese and wine at the village hall, highlight of the village social calendar:-)
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Cool
@DavidCarlisle I'm reading the details of hyph-utf8 :-)
user174558
@JosephWright I read about how your brothers threw you into the well in the bible. =)
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
23:18
@JosephWright not heard from H.O so I guess we can't update pdftex.def this time round which is a shame. I'll try again after release before tl2016.

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