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Paulo Cereda

00:31

@HenriMenke Hi Henri! Sorry for the delay in replying to you, I am now in the capital for 3 days (I am attending a conference). I really feel honoured by your mention, but I already renewed my membership in the great UK-TUG + a joint TUG membership. Thanks for remembering me, but I will leave this great opportunity to other friends. ;)

@DavidCarlisle: Your vim session looks different. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Tonight I enjoyed an assist of Felipe Melo to Álvaro Morata for a great goal. ;-) Good night!

Paulo Cereda

@egreg I watched the highlights! Great game! :)

Felipe Melo should be nominated for the golden ball award thingy. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda I got a bit worried when Melo was subbed. :P

Paulo Cereda

@egreg :P

Kurzd

02:25

@SeanAllred Very quiet. It begins this Friday. Am excited.

David Carlisle

07:43

Apr 12 '13 at 16:40, by David Carlisle

Romain Picot

10:21

@DavidCarlisle kill -15 vi ;-)

egreg

11:10

@RomainPicot rm /usr/bin/vi

Romain Picot

11:43

@egreg It will not close the current session however but good idea ;-)

David Carlisle

@egreg, out of curiosity, what do you use instead? Memoir? LaTeX standard classes? Your own classes? — Turion 13 mins ago

Word

egreg

12:23

@DavidCarlisle Shhh!

Will Robertson

13:22

@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright Frank has okayed the UC name :)

@DavidCarlisle Don't think I've included checksums or character tables in my packages for years and years now...

David Carlisle

13:50

@egreg have you lost any ticks recently?

@WillRobertson do you set them to 0 or just not use them at all and ignore the warning that there is no checksum?

@WillRobertson mail to you?

Will Robertson

14:08

@DavidCarlisle Aye

David Carlisle

@WillRobertson so all set to launch fontspec on a grateful world?

Will Robertson

@DavidCarlisle Just ignore the warning :)

@DavidCarlisle Ah, in theory :)

Ulrike Fischer

@WillRobertson I saw the discussion (TU versus UC) some days ago but forgot to suggest as a compromise TUC (beside others it has the neat meaning en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_useful_consciousness) ;-)

Will Robertson

@UlrikeFischer I think I did think of that, but as David mentioned because the NFSS makes font names get so long, 2 chars is better than 3 :) Although with names like "texgyrepagella-regular.otf:+blah;+blah;+blah" I guess 2 vs 3 is very small!

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer like every other string of letters has some extra meanings: TUC here at least would normally refer to tuc.org.uk

Will Robertson

14:16

@UlrikeFischer Haha, I like that TUC definition :)

David Carlisle

@WillRobertson got to fit into an ISO format CD filesystem!

$ git merge upstream/master
Already up-to-date.

@WillRobertson checked in version still tu?

Will Robertson

@DavidCarlisle oops; a quick git push later...

Thank you!!

David Carlisle

@WillRobertson git spotted your cunning plan:

 rename tulmr.fd => uclmr.fd (85%)

Will Robertson

@DavidCarlisle git is clever like that :)

David Carlisle

@WillRobertson so just hope that no one has a clmr font in an undefined encoding.....

Will Robertson

14:22

@DavidCarlisle That never occurred to me; one big advantage to having a number in the name!

David Carlisle

@WillRobertson just occurred to me as I saw the filename now....

Will Robertson

@DavidCarlisle You know, I did also wonder about using a unicode character for the unicode name. Like "☃enc.def"

@DavidCarlisle Reason enough to abort?!

David Carlisle

@WillRobertson there is a uclm.fd

$ kpsewhich uclm.fd
/usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-dist/tex/latex/cfr-lm/uclm.fd

@WillRobertson (@JosephWright) doesn't actually clash but getting close...

Will Robertson

Also:

/usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-dist/tex/latex/cfr-lm/uclms.fd
/usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-dist/tex/latex/cfr-lm/uclmt.fd
/usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-dist/tex/latex/cfr-lm/uclmv.fd

David Carlisle

and concmath:

$ kpsewhich ucca.fd
/usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-dist/tex/latex/concmath/ucca.fd

yo'

14:27

@RomainPicot I think you should be nominated for the TUG membership. Should I nominate you or will you post the nomination yourself?

David Carlisle

try cat `kpsewhich --all ls-R` | grep '^uc.*\.fd'

Romain Picot

@yo' I have a TUG/local subscription already ;-)

Will Robertson

My method was less intelligent: locate /uc | grep .fd :)

yo'

@RomainPicot damn :-)

David Carlisle

@yo' we should nominate @barbarabeeton for tug membership.

yo'

14:28

@DavidCarlisle what an idea!

Romain Picot

@yo' Well student price is not so high I can pay for this. But thanks ;-)

Will Robertson

@DavidCarlisle How about "𝓤𝓒enc.def" ?

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David Carlisle

@WillRobertson and you have absolute faith that that does something sensible in the filesystem in all locale settings.

yo'

@Alenanno I think you should be nominated for the TUG membership. You're active on more sites but this one, still you show your devotion to TeX!

Romain Picot

@yo' By the way, I'll not be at your PhD defense since I've to be at work for work purpose. However if you stay in Paris for some times we should drink a beer together

Will Robertson

14:32

@DavidCarlisle More seriously, is something like "UC1" better? Or revert to TU? Or just live with the fact that we might clash somewhere somehow?

yo'

@RomainPicot no chance :( I arrive Saturday late night and leave Tuesday morning.

Romain Picot

@yo' Oh :( . Did you'll comeback or stay in Czech?

David Carlisle

@WillRobertson not sure, thinking... might be worth taking back to list. In practice since no existing names clash and UC names are likely to be long, it is probably safe but I don't want to have to document a rule that a family name used with the UC encoding shouldn't match "c" concatenated with the family name of a font used with pdftex Undefined encoding

Will Robertson

@DavidCarlisle I've also pinged Frank.

yo'

@RomainPicot I'll leave Paris "for good", but I've got a lot of friends there so I'll visit Paris occasionally for sure :-)

Romain Picot

14:39

@yo' Next time so :)

yo'

@JosephWright I didn't plan to put my name on the list, but if we really don't get enough people, I can step in. However, I won't do so until the competition starts.

Ulrike Fischer

@WillRobertson @DavidCarlisle: I think one should avoid the possible clash. I'm not completly happy with anything starting with u as I at least think "unknown" but if it has to be something should separate it (u1, uc1, u-, t0, t9, tu, ...) after all it is no enough that public fonts don't clash - people can also have private fonts.

yo'

@michal.h21 Have you got a TUG membership? If no, you should nominate yourself, or at least confirm you wouldn't mind so that I nominate you :)

barbara beeton

@egreg -- thanks. i'd already marked that question to be investigated.

@yo' -- why don't we nominate @DavidCarlisle ?

Will Robertson

@UlrikeFischer I am inclined to agree, Ulrike. I have to go to bed now, so I'll expect you all here to come up with a solution for us by morning tomorrow my time :)

@yo' Maybe we should nominate random high-rep users of physics.stackexchange and mathoverflow and so on :)

@UlrikeFischer I am inclined to agree, Ulrike. I have to go to bed now, so I'll expect you all here to come up with a solution for us by morning tomorrow my time :)

Alenanno

14:53

@yo' What does that entail? Didn't know about the membership until now lol

Will Robertson

@DavidCarlisle This reminds me (chicagotribune.com/bluesky/technology/…)

@DavidCarlisle — do you know anything specific about the proposals to add the missing mathematical alphabet ranges to Unicode? I'd very much like to see them go through.

@barbarabeeton — repeating the question to David: wondering whether there has been a formal submission to unicode.org for the "missing" mathematical alphabet ranges. I'd be happy to start writing something if I thought it could help.

David Carlisle

15:10

@UlrikeFischer I suspect you are right @WillRobertson (@JosephWright will be disappointed:-)

@WillRobertson @barbarabeeton is steering that through (probably best to take to mail)

yo'

@Alenanno basically, you get everything regular members do, especially the TUGboat subscription (the bulleting). Also, people should nominate themselves to show that we appreciate that SE supports TUG ;-)

Will Robertson

@DavidCarlisle Thanks, will do

michal.h21

@yo' Hi Tom, no I don't have membership, I only recently got CSTUG membership :) where should I nominate myself?

yo'

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Q: TUG Membership: Names for 2016

StackExchange continues to support TUG with corporate membership (many thanks). With that come eight individual memberships that can be given out to members of the community. The time has come to select our representatives for 2016. (See TUG Membership: Names for 2015 for last year's selection.) ...

@michal.h21 There's a "howto" for the nominations.

StrongBad

@yo' is this suitable for migration: academia.stackexchange.com/questions/62400/…

michal.h21

15:23

ah thanks :) I see that nobody nominated yet

yo'

@StrongBad I doubt it personally. It's nothing that hasn't been answered before.

David Carlisle

@WillRobertson you've got mail:-)

StrongBad

@yo' it is about a specific template, but I can see it being a duplicate of existing questions.

yo'

@StrongBad the answer is "no, you can't".

StrongBad

@yo' PhD supervisors (and non-latex using people) can be such a pain

barbara beeton

15:32

@WillRobertson -- i think it's under control, but will check and send mail as @DavidCarlisle suggests.

yo'

@StrongBad indeed. OTOH, I don't understand it: When we write a paper with my supervisors, usually from the first complete draft, it's only me who touches the paper.

David Carlisle

@yo' some people are very attached to the Word review bar so it isn't always enough to share pdfs for annotating with co-authors

Will Robertson

@DavidCarlisle I'm co-supervising some PhD students, and their principle supervisor INSISTED that they use Word (having learned LaTeX under me in honours). He prints out the documents they send him to write on with a real pen. And then complains about formatting issues.

@barbarabeeton It's good to see things are rolling along! Thanks for all your efforts with this.

yo'

@DavidCarlisle ah the review "feature", I LOVE it! /sarcasm

StrongBad

@WillRobertson Only editing hard copies produced by MS Word, has to be about as ridiculous as it gets.

Alenanno

15:54

@yo' Oh thanks for the link. And thanks for considering me, too, by the way. :D

yo'

16:12

@Alenanno well, I checked the league and considered those who do not have a personal subscription ;-)

Joseph Wright

16:36

@esdd meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/6518/…

@DavidCarlisle Indeed

@DavidCarlisle Some people also expect to be able to make changes in the file itself ...

@StrongBad I guess its because this is a workflow they know and because they end up with text they can re-use (say if drafting a paper once a student has left)

yo'

@JosephWright you might also ping Thomas Sturm...

Joseph Wright

@yo' I did

yo'

@JosephWright ah ok.

StrongBad

@JosephWright While there are situations where it is fine, I really do not like the idea of a supervisor copying and pasting text written by students.

Joseph Wright

@StrongBad Never had anyone want to for example present work where you've drawn a figure but your PI is talking about it? Or draft a paper after the student has submitted where the results part has been well worked-over jointly and can be re-used with little change for publication? ...

Alenanno

16:42

@Johannes_B Lol he deleted it.

Johannes_B

@Alenanno Duplicate ;-)

Joseph Wright

@yo' He's not been 'seen' since I pinged so ...

Alenanno

@Johannes_B Yes but still, we don't delete duplicates.

Johannes_B

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Q: How to execute and show tex-code within a question on tex.stackexchange.com?

I often see question and answeres where below or top of the code is a the generated output (PDF) of the tex code. How can I do that? ;)

discussion

This is a dupe, right?

yo'

@Johannes_B yep

David Carlisle

16:46

@Johannes_B yes just tell the OP we don't like tex and we just use Word

Johannes_B

@Alenanno But ... 1034 duplicates all saying, you gotta run bibtex ... @JosephWright @yo' does the data explorer provide information, on how many times one Q/A is the target of a dupe?

yo'

@JosephWright uh oh

Alenanno

@Johannes_B The number is irrelevant lol

Johannes_B

@Alenanno Yes, but ... not knowing that you have to run bibtex is a bit like mistyping a command, which gets closed as off-topic. Do off-topic questions ever get deleted (at least some)?

Alenanno

@Johannes_B To be honest, this was a peculiar question because he wasn't running any known package for the bibliography, but a custom package with syntax resembling that of natbib, so if any deserved to be a dupe, it was this one :P

Off-topic questions get deleted, but not all of them and not all the time.

It depends.

Johannes_B

16:54

@Alenanno Sometimes, i want to say "Just ask the guy who is responsible for this mess". With journal templates or strange thesis templates he is often in the wrong spot here. For questions about the standard classes or longtable he found the right spot. :-)

:-p

@Alenanno is this the case for dupes as well?

Alenanno

@Johannes_B No, duplicates are generally kept because even if the answer is the same, multiple wordings will increase the chances of someone finding that question and therefore the original one.

By the way, for closed questions:

> The system will automatically delete closed (not as a duplicate), unlocked questions with zero or negative score having no upvoted or accepted answers or pending reopen votes, that were closed 9 or more days ago and haven't been edited in the past 9 days.

Johannes_B

@Alenanno Ah, ok. How about that question just deleted with multiple spelling mistakes, so many not even google can make any sense of it? I wonder if anybody would care to correct a closed/duplicated question.

Alenanno

@Johannes_B If the question is that irreparable, it usually gets deleted because it's very low quality. If it can be fixed, it usually gets fixed. (I do that when I can.)

Johannes_B

@Alenanno Ah, the low quality queue. Forgot about that.

Alenanno

@Johannes_B And mods will catch it anyways. :D

egreg

17:32

@DavidCarlisle Not that I know.

David Carlisle

@egreg the one about \middle

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Well, it happens that users mark the wrong answer.

David Carlisle

Wow. You should post that as an answer as it is so simple and beautiful ;-) — Manuel 8 hours ago

egreg

@DavidCarlisle It is so simple and so wrong!

Kurt

Is the following question on-topic?

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Q: Text-text extension for Inkscape in Mac OS X Yosemite

I need to include LaTeX symbols and equations in Inkscape. I believe the text text extension can solve this problem. However I could not see an installation procedure in their website for Mac OS-X. Has anyone installed this extension and make it work with Inkscape in Mac OS-X. I installed the Ink...

osx eps mac inkscape epslatex

David Carlisle

17:36

@egreg it is a correct answer pointing out the feature added by etex to address that problem. It's not my fault that it's not the best design that could have been imagined.

leonardo cesar

18:51

@DavidCarlisle hi =)

David Carlisle

19:38

@leonardocesar I wasn't here:-)

Werner

20:15

@egreg: I recall you and I had both answered a question similar to this one:

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Q: How to have multiple signs for matrix inequality?

I want to know how to draw the three (in)equality signs vertically like shown in the figure.

matrices

I think I used an array and you used some other amsmath construction, or perhaps a combined symbol rather than stacking content.

egreg

@Werner I seem to remember something like this. I'll check later: train arriving at the station and (late) dinner.

Werner

@egreg :) M'kay.

I think the question is different though, as the OP wants to stack three relations, while the question I'm thinking about was perhaps a mixture of only two relations for which a comparable single-symbol existed.

...perhaps a duplicate still, but I can't find it.

yo'

20:34

Friends, I need help. What font would you use for a condolence? Is Palatino or Antywka Poltawskiego a bad choice?

egreg

21:20

@Werner I can't find it either

@Werner I'd simply go with matrix

barbara beeton

21:44

is there anyone here who knows whether lightface sans serif greek letters are used consistently as symbols in an identifiable context? (in the nist document, sp811, on the international system of units; the \Theta in this style is defined to be the "dimension of thermodynamic temperature".) if you have such knowledge, please send details. and please ask anyone else who might know -- postings on physics or chemistry forums might be useful.

Joseph Wright

@barbarabeeton You mean in unit analysis?

barbara beeton

reason for this request is to get justification for adding such symbols in unicode in a rational and usable manner, not leaving out anything that might prove to be necessary later.

@JosephWright -- i really don't know, which is why i'm asking for help. i don't recall having seen the symbols in math, but i'm exploring there too.

Joseph Wright

@barbarabeeton You mention the NIST docs, which caught my eye. I'm guessing from what you say it's the convention that when considering dimensional analysis ('This thing is the product of a length, a mass and a temperature') the dimensions are normally given in sans serif, and Theta is used for temperature (T being time). I'll check the usual printing when I get to work tomorrow.

Henri Menke

@JosephWright You as a moderator, couldn't you just delete my answer forever? I could also flag it for moderator intervention if this is necessary.

Joseph Wright

@HenriMenke Nothing ever gets 'really' deleted, just 'hidden from general view'

barbara beeton

21:54

@JosephWright -- i think the \Theta is more than a convention (at least it's strongly implied in the nist documents that it has iso authority). it's the rest of the greek alphabet in sans serif that i'm asking about. anyhow, thanks for checking.

yo'

Damn, what do you put on the last slide of a talk?!

(sorry, it's me being over-stressed, nervous and you-know-what-I-mean)

David Carlisle

@yo' APPLAUSE NOW

yo'

@DavidCarlisle FUNNY

David Carlisle

@yo' well normally it's just whatever the last technical issue was but sometimes I've finished with "any questions?" or similar if I was expecting time for such things

Joseph Wright

@yo' Usually thanks to co-workers, supervisors, collaborators, sources of money

barbara beeton

22:01

@yo' -- take a deep breath. think beautiful thoughts. you're almost there! and may the force be with you!

yo'

@JosephWright you would really thank your supervisors at the last slide of the defense talk.

Joseph Wright

@yo' We don't have the same set up in the UK, remember: it's normal to give a talk some time in your final year but that's for experience not part of the formal process (though some places do require you at least do one)

yo'

@barbarabeeton I've "passed" the rehearsal I had with my co-workers here in Prague, with some suggestions; one of them being "you need to do something with the end". And: thanks to the encouragement.

barbara beeton

@yo' -- never been to a defense, but the last slide for a lot of conference talks says "questions?" but maybe that's not politically correct for a defense.

yo'

@barbarabeeton Not my job; it's a job of the president of the jury

and I can't do a "THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION" slide; I publicly, truly and openly hate these.

Joseph Wright

22:03

@yo' Well thanking funding and research group would still see to be approrpiate

yo'

In standard talks, I put the most notable references in the last slide, but this is not a standard talk.

@JosephWright you're right with "appropriate", but seems "unusual" here.

(it's not that I'm ungrateful for the suggestions, with the exception of @David's)

barbara beeton

@yo' -- maybe something purely decorative -- a beautiful fleuron. (that's probably not politically correct either.)

David Carlisle

@yo' there are probably too many national conventions in play for us to really help, for my phd viva (nearest thing to defence, probably) i had essentially no prepared talk at all, just go in and the two examiners (only) just asked questions about whatever they liked

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Yup, sounds right to me

yo'

@barbarabeeton well, could be fine actually, since the title is "Geometrical aspects of ..."

Joseph Wright

22:06

@DavidCarlisle 'Give me the key points of your PhD in five minutes' is the only one you can (likely) expect

yo'

@DavidCarlisle that's what Simon told me is the habit in the UK; you prepare a 5-minute something and end in a 5-hour discussion.

David Carlisle

@yo' yes a bit less in my case, but some were longer as I recall.

Joseph Wright

@yo' That would be long: the 'standard' in my subject area is probably 2 hours 45 minutes

(Mine was 2 hours 40)

yo'

@JosephWright he recalled some 4-hour ones, so I was just a bit exaggerating :)

Joseph Wright

@yo' I have witnessed one around 5.5 h

yo'

22:11

@JosephWright ouch.

egreg

@yo' A mock quotation from Hilbert, for instance. ;-)

yo'

@egreg not the best idée

obviously I have to think it out

thanks for all the ideas!

egreg

@yo' “Allez les bleus”?

David Carlisle

@yo' @egreg 's suggestions are less useful than mine (like his answers)

yo'

@DavidCarlisle :-)

yo'

22:33

Thanks everybody once more. Now I go to catch some sleep. G'night

David Carlisle

@yo' good luck, get some sleep..

Martin Schröder

22:59

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Q: Can I make the LaTeX code for these presentation slides more succinct?

I'm giving a presentation in a few days. I'm preparing my material in LaTeX; however, I am relatively new to it. How can I make my LaTeX code more concise and less repetitive? Here is a reduced version of my presentation, which contains the following features that I'm seeking to improve and ti...

beginner graphics pdf tex

David Carlisle

23:36

@MartinSchröder I've seen a lot worse:-)

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