TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2016-01-16 (page 1 of 2)

Faheem Mitha

04:48

Hello everyone. If I have a very long, thin JPEG, is it better to rescale it by specifiying the height, or by scaling it down?

Here's the error I get:

<zhm_public_notice2.jpg, id=1, 162.6075pt x 1165.35374pt>
File: zhm_public_notice2.jpg Graphic file (type jpg)

<use zhm_public_notice2.jpg>
Package pdftex.def Info: zhm_public_notice2.jpg used on input line 4.
(pdftex.def)             Requested size: 162.6071pt x 1165.3509pt.
 [1

{/var/lib/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap/pdftex.map}]
Overfull \vbox (615.3509pt too high) has occurred while \output is active []

Faheem Mitha

05:06

@JosephWright I was worried it was going to conclude with: "I'm not going to do that any more", so I skipped to the end. Fortunately he doesn't say that.

I'm surprised he can't figure out what early releases of tetex were in Debian. I thought Debian kept all the archives.

Johannes_B

07:44

Looking at my current rep changes i would say: Somebody really likes me.

Faheem Mitha

08:07

@Johannes_B I thought we all liked you.

BTW, where did everyone go?

Johannes_B

@FaheemMitha But something is giving me 5 to 6 upvotes every night for the last few days.

@FaheemMitha Shopping? Sleeping in? I don't know.

Faheem Mitha

@Johannes_B I hope they don't get rolled back.

But on different answers, or the same answers?

@Johannes_B BTW, just saw your comment. Apparently TeX SX is just you right now. :-)

What's the advantage of the standalone class here?

Johannes_B

@FaheemMitha Old answers i think. Haven't really checked.

Faheem Mitha

@Johannes_B ok

Johannes_B

@FaheemMitha You just want to have a pdf, instead of a jpg, right? standalone just uses the content and outputs that as the final pdf. You can add a border though. Nothing to care about with respect to page margins, numbering etc.

Faheem Mitha

08:12

@Johannes_B Wouldn't I have the same problem there, e.g. a blank page being created before the page with the image?

Johannes_B

@FaheemMitha No. Currently that happens because the image is too big for a page of your page format including margins, so LaTeX decides to try on the next page, and gives up before adding another blank page. Standalone doesn't have a physical page.

Faheem Mitha

@Johannes_B Hmm. Ok, I'll give that a try. If it works, I'll let you know and you can add an answer if you want.

And isn't there a way to get LaTeX to give up earlier? I.e. a suicidal pessimism option?

Johannes_B

@FaheemMitha I don't know, but i guess not. The current behaviour makes sense.

Faheem Mitha

@Johannes_B I don't see why it can't just be persuaded to throw up its hands early. Rather than pointlessly going down a page...

Johannes_B

@FaheemMitha Does the picture in the pdf fit the page?

Faheem Mitha

08:21

@Johannes_B Without scaling, no. With scaling, yes. But LaTeX still inserts a blank page first, even when it fits on the second page. I guess it thinks its overfull.

Johannes_B

@FaheemMitha Can't check without the actual stuff. The Q on main says, that the imagebox is 100pt to big with respect to the vertical dimension of the page, i.e. it would overprint the page number.

Faheem Mitha

@Johannes_B It would probably go into the page number region, yes. But I disabled page numbering.

Johannes_B

@FaheemMitha But not the margin. It sticks into the margin, hence it doesn't fit into a page, hence the extra blank page. Everything you don't have to think about when dealing with standalone.

Faheem Mitha

@Johannes_B Ok.

Well, off to the dentist shortly. I'll leave you holding down the fort. :-)

Have a nice day, Johannes.

Johannes_B

08:54

@DavidCarlisle Concerning tex.stackexchange.com/questions/287502/…, don't you think that using multicol is the wrong approach in the first place?

@FaheemMitha Same to you, thanks :-)

Joseph Wright

09:46

Looking at the license discussion on the main meta, it's surprising that other people haven't notices before that CC-BY-SA isn't the best way to deal with software. Thanks to @LoopSpace we've had a meta question for years dealing with exactly this

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Q: Relicensing code from answers

Part of the discussion about packaging some of the TikZ answers into a LaTeX package has centred on the issue of licensing the code. Contributions here are licensed under a CC license (see links at the bottom of the page) which isn't the best for software: even the people behind the CC licenses ...

David Carlisle

@egreg you could have phoned me and I would have explained to you what to do:-)

@Johannes_B yes if it's just that but I assume it's just the MWE, if the whole doc is multicol and you just want to fit in a captioned table, the answers are OK

@JosephWright has anyone referenced that from the main meta discussion?

Joseph Wright

@barbarabeeton Does TUG have DOIs set up for TUGboat?

@DavidCarlisle Yes, me ;-)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright ooh I see the question is at -249 now:-)

Johannes_B

10:01

@DavidCarlisle As i understood it, the user wants a twocol document for journal submission.

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B do whatever the journal asks in that case:-)

Joseph Wright

What surprises me with some of the feedback here is that it's not like no-one has noticed that the CC-BY-SA conditions for contributions might need to be supplemented by a license for code. For example, on TeX-se we've got a meta thread starting in 2011 pointing this out and allowing individuals to specify a (dual) license for reuse purposes. — Joseph Wright 3 hours ago

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle compare chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/26728864#26728864

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Chris on form I see

Christian Hupfer

Good maen

David Carlisle

10:07

@JosephWright oh oh haven't looked yet:-)

Alenanno

Some questions: 1. do you know how I can set the pagesize with xelatex? Why is it so hard. :| 2. Do you know any good fonts to use with maths and text?

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda From the PC magazine I read XBone One: why you have to buy one

David Carlisle

@Alenanno geometry package should work with xelatex?

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright ooh will you get one? :)

^^ pardon the pun. :)

Alenanno

@DavidCarlisle I'm getting errors :(

David Carlisle

10:16

@Alenanno define good?

Alenanno

@DavidCarlisle Beautiful to watch/appropriate

David Carlisle

@Alenanno i assume you did something wrong then:-)

Paulo Cereda

satyagraha's HDD has died. :(

Alenanno

@DavidCarlisle The error line is even incredibly high.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Have to think about it

Alenanno

10:18

David Carlisle

@Alenanno there are less choices with math, for opentype math fonts you basically have latin modern, xits, cambria math, asana math or the tex gyre fonts, pick one of those then pick a text font to match

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Friend got one for Christmas: his brother came home and said 'what is there to do?', and when there wasn't anything said 'right, you are getting an Xbox for Christmas'. That said, the brother in question works for a company based in the pacific north-west ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright :)

David Carlisle

@Alenanno did you tell geometry you were using xetex/xdvipdfmx ?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Don't tell Jonathan F ;-)

Alenanno

10:19

@DavidCarlisle I added the line at the top of the document as usual.

or do I need to tell geometry in particular?

David Carlisle

@Alenanno no but make sure you haven't specified sonething else, it should say this on the terminal:

*geometry* driver: auto-detecting
*geometry* detected driver: xetex

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright: At least in Brazil, I very satisfied with XONE: their marketplace works, they have some nice title (although it enrages me the fact of not covering all games in the catalogue due to country restrictions), the system looks OK (altough it's Windows-based), the controller is good and Gold subscription gives you 2 free games every month (two for each system, XONE and X360).

Alenanno

@DavidCarlisle Well, it starts with "This is XeTeX, Version 3.14159265-2.6-0.99992 (TeX Live 2015) (preloaded format=xelatex)"

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Indeed. Here, my friends have PS4s so ...

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright I don't have any friends. :)

@JosephWright I mean, my friends don't have any systems. :)

@Joseph: Consoles are very expensive in Brazil. A PS4 was costing near 800 GBP.

David Carlisle

10:25

@Alenanno no that just means you are using xetex, the lines I posted means that the geometry package detected you are using xetex 9which for example it won't do if you use \usepackage[pdftex]{geometry} as it will believe what you tell it. as ever a MWE would help

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda game.co.uk/en/…

@PauloCereda Goodness

@DavidCarlisle geometry should pick up engine automatically

David Carlisle

@Alenanno so what lines starting *geometry are in the log?

@JosephWright yes but not if you have [dvips] :-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Perhaps (expl3 for example just ignores an out-and-out wrong driver option)

Alenanno

@DavidCarlisle None like you said. But I guess I found an alternative solution. I have an alternative question. In order to use New TX fonts, do I just need to add the package "\usepackage{newtxtext,newtxmath}"?

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Wow!

Knack is nice. Until Dawn... meh. :)

David Carlisle

10:27

@Alenanno but really they only make sense for pdftex, why use an 8bit times clone in xetex?

Alenanno

@DavidCarlisle I'm re-switching to pdflatex :P

David Carlisle

@Alenanno :-)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Just picked the first bundle Game had

Alenanno

@DavidCarlisle So the answer is yes, I guess

David Carlisle

@JosephWright we should tell chris ^^

Joseph Wright

10:28

@DavidCarlisle :-)

David Carlisle

@Alenanno yes

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle You can do that

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright :)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright my english, too modern, it is

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Alenanno

@DavidCarlisle The font looks kinda bold on its own

David Carlisle

10:30

@Alenanno times is rather more robust that cm, but that's why I asked at the start "define good" it's all very subjective

Alenanno

10:41

@DavidCarlisle I decided to use New PX. It looks good. :D

@DavidCarlisle Thanks for the help, as usual.

Alenanno

10:51

@PauloCereda Thanks for writing that command in your Meta question, that works really well. I forgot about ImageMagick

Paulo Cereda

@Alenanno My pleasure. :) Just note that you might post-process your resuting image to reduce the size. I had to do that in all my ads (I opened them in Gimp and reduced the colour mode to interlaced).

Alenanno

@PauloCereda Mine is 45KB, Grace Note said there might be an increase in limit size, so I wait.

:P

This is the new cool version:

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A: Community Promotion Ads - 2016

:D

Paulo Cereda

@Alenanno I had an account in there and upvoted it. :)

Alenanno

@PauloCereda Thank you Duck!

Paulo Cereda

@Alenanno Quack! <3

egreg

11:02

@DavidCarlisle I was dining with some friends.

David Carlisle

@egreg excuses excuses:-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle egreg has an iPhone. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda but can he use it?

Paulo Cereda

Will it Blend? - iPhone 6 Plus

►

egreg

11:19

@DavidCarlisle Just like I can use TeX

David Carlisle

@egreg so no then

David Carlisle

11:35

@egreg so slow 2 seconds late

Khallil

Hi all. Does anybody know how to get $x$ in the form I've written down on the right (as opposed to on the left)?

I find that it helps me distinguish between vectors and scalars, is why I'm asking :-)

Paulo Cereda

Can we rotate \in? :) Or is that a \pitchfork? :)

Khallil

Hahaha, that's a rotated in. I'm only worried about the $x$ on the right hand side. The other stuff is just for context :)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Because somebody implemented \in@ with reversed arguments.

Joseph Wright

@Khallil It's just \mathrm{x} isn't it?

@egreg One Leslie Lamport I suspect

Khallil

11:43

I've not seen that one before. Let me give it a try :-)

It works! Thanks, @JosephWright!

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright What have the math roman family ever done for us? :)

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egreg

10

Q: How can I rotate \in by 90 degrees?

I am currently trying to show the domain of variables in a simple equation: \[\begin{matrix} x & \cdot & W_{1,2} & = & o\\ \in & & \in & & \in\\ \mdr^{1\times n} & & \mdr^{n \times m} & & \mdr^{1 \times m} \end{matrix}\] There are some more issues with this way to show the domain...

symbols rotating

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle If Chris wants feedback on newer engines we should get him to get an account here :-)

@PauloCereda :-)

Khallil

Thanks, @egreg. I already know how to rotate!

Joseph Wright

@Khallil Should be in any reasonable intro to LaTeX

David Carlisle

11:45

@egreg not me!

egreg

@Khallil With x in math mode you get the italic one; with \mathrm{x} or \mathbf{x} (I prefer the latter) it's upright.

@DavidCarlisle You didn't fix it!

Paulo Cereda

ooh battle of the titans!

Let me grab some popcorn.

:)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright @egreg Frank I think (it wasn't in 2.09)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Just checked that myself

David Carlisle

@egreg German word order :-)

Joseph Wright

11:49

@DavidCarlisle \StopEventually ;-)

Oops

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright \Stop\Hammertime

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David Carlisle

@JosephWright that thought did occur to me as well:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle It's I think the most obvious one

David Carlisle

@JosephWright yes seems ok to me really: \in@{foo}{foobar} = is foo in foobar

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Yes, I understand, though I think \tl_if_in:NnTF et al. are clearer

David Carlisle

11:56

@JosephWright if you extend the length of the command names so each command carries its own manual, then yes things are clearer.

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@DavidCarlisle Then of course loads of people complain ...

David Carlisle

@JosephWright well it does mean that you have to remember the entire manual before you know how to type the command, it's a lot easier to read expl3 syntax than write it (without editor completion support).

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Seems easy enough to me ;-)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright it was for me, try leaving it for 10 years so the kernel isn't all in your head, and come back to it...

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle xor

David Carlisle

12:01

@JosephWright \stopeventually

David Carlisle

12:13

@egreg and the tick goes to ...

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle: 17 upvotes!

David Carlisle

Jan 12 at 12:15, by David Carlisle

@PauloCereda finished your thesis?

Paulo Cereda

12:32

@DavidCarlisle uh-oh

David Carlisle

13:13

@Johannes_B tex.stackexchange.com/questions/287875/…

Paulo Cereda

13:58

\foreignlanguage{latin}{Totus tuus, Maria. Gratia plena, Dominus tecum! / Totus tuus, ora pro nobis, Maria, Maria.}

@egreg: ^^ look what I found. :)

barbara beeton

14:15

@JosephWright -- i'm pretty sure tugboat doesn't have doi's set up, but am checking. it was looked into a rather long time ago, and appeared to be somewhat expensive; don't know what's involved these days, and the situation may be different. (what's the reason for the question?)

Paulo Cereda

@barbara: quack from your friendly duck! <3

Joseph Wright

@barbarabeeton I'm thinking about stability of links, particularly for assets which are not necessarily web pages. DOIs are pretty much ubiquitous nowadays for journal articles and increasingly for academic books/book chapters.

barbara beeton

@JosephWright -- that's true (about stability, i mean). ams now has doi's for everything, but ams has a much bigger budget than tug does. nonetheless, it's probably time to think about it again. (if baskerville ever resuscitates, will it have doi's?)

Joseph Wright

@barbarabeeton Context here is LaTeX Project website, but I guess if we ever do look again at Baskerville it's something we should do

@barbarabeeton crossref.org/02publishers/20pub_fees.html suggests the cost would not be too bad for the project (as we don't make any money)

@barbarabeeton At the moment, all I'm doing is wondering about how that side of it works (I know DOIs for looking up papers, of course)

barbara beeton

@JosephWright -- for what parts of the latex project website would doi's be appropriate? (admittedly, the part i'm most familiar with is the latex-bugs archive.)

Joseph Wright

14:29

@barbarabeeton We've got some website work ongoing and there's a question of URI stability for the various files we've got. That feels to me to be the wrong approach: DOIs feel like the 'right' way to give a reference to an article, presentation slides, Etc.

@barbarabeeton Just wondered if you'd got any experience

@barbarabeeton May come to nothing

David Carlisle

@JosephWright don't say that to TBL :-)

barbara beeton

@JosephWright -- personal experience, no, but i can inquire if you're interested. (i think i know who here has that knowledge.)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Did you see the mail I'm thinking of?

@barbarabeeton Don't worry about it

David Carlisle

@JosephWright possibly not?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle You can't restrict stability to URIs, I'm afraid, as for example an academic article (currently) can be in HTML or PDF format, and they need an abstract page, and that all needs one identifier

@DavidCarlisle I'll forward: I plan to reply but very much as an amateur

@DavidCarlisle Web pages are one thing, files, data sets, ... are different

@barbarabeeton, @DavidCarlisle Perhaps cheaper for a few DOIs: medra.org/en/terms.htm

David Carlisle

14:41

@JosephWright TBL would disagree (at length:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Well academic citations traditionally don't use URIs (normally journal/year/page as a minimum for journals, author/title/publisher/year for books), so a move to adding a DOI doesn't feature at all.

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: 20cm of snow here, about 1m of snow up in the mountains ;-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I'm also sceptical about the idea that the links in question are actually required to be stable (in the sense 'is anyone going to have cited this in that form')

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer ooh is it white?

Joseph Wright

@ChristianHupfer Ooh

Christian Hupfer

14:46

@PauloCereda Yes, finally, after the months of November and December have been much too warm (up to 17 degrees!). It's white everywhere. And it's snowing

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer yay!

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright Yep!

David Carlisle

@JosephWright you can of course do that with a URL (and people who think that should be the way of the world convert doi back to url form ) (not necessarily saying that you should, but that is the URL/REST orthodox view)

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright: Will there be a free TUG membership competition again?

Joseph Wright

@ChristianHupfer Don't currently know: will ask (on Monday, when staff will be about)

Christian Hupfer

14:50

@JosephWright Ok, thanks. I am not asking for myself (I have a 'regular' membership meanwhile) I just want to lure some users here to nominate themselves (in case there will a competition only, of course)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Whilst the realistic recognise that DOIs are designed to be stable irrespective of (necessary) changes behind the scenes (say a journal gets sold from one publisher to another ...)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: Otherwise I will open up a 'Spot the looney' competition :-P

David Carlisle

@JosephWright oh I see Jonas referred to TBL , so my mentioning his name was relevant even if I hadn't seen the message:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@DavidCarlisle Misses of course the idea that the same data in different forms has one identity (DOI) but can have multiple URIs

David Carlisle

@JosephWright yes but in practice same is or can be true of url it's not as if a url starting www.foobar.com is any indication that the server is owned or maintained by a company called foobar

Joseph Wright

14:54

@DavidCarlisle Like I say, I guess my main concern is that giving 'stable' URIs for end-files is wrong in the first place: it's the 'concept' you should be linking as the end format can change

David Carlisle

@JosephWright not really, each individual resource can have individual uri and there can also be a uri going to the concept that resolves to different entities depending what you ask for so if you make an http request for a pdf file that's what you get, if you ask for an audio rendering you get that...

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle NO! They are both the version of record so need the same reference

@DavidCarlisle It would be a disaster if citing the HTML version of a journal article, citing the PDF and citing the printing version were different

@DavidCarlisle Taking a data set, it's not important if I get it in CSV, tab-separated, XML, ..., what's important is that it's a particular data set

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright OH JOSEPH IS ANGRY

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Not angry

David Carlisle

@JosephWright yes they have the same reference x.y.z but a http request isn't just that it has metadata in the accept headers so if you connect to that the idea is that that refers to the abstract entity and whether you get html2 or html5 or pdf or a series of gifs is determined elsewhere

Joseph Wright

14:57

@PauloCereda I am though on a committee about data

@DavidCarlisle Sorry, but I think you need something abstract and allow flexibility in the delivery, which over time will change

David Carlisle

@JosephWright yes so in tim bl's original model you would give a URL to the dataset not to its particular representations.

@JosephWright lots of people have thought that (including me when I'm not arguing for the other side as no one else is) which is why URL discussions at w3c are even longer than licence ones. How they are used in practice and how they were originally conceived (and specced) don't really match.

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Except if you try that people would be using the URL that had, which will be form-dependent, whereas DOIs are deliberately abstract and also independent of the continued existing of the original server (so the idea of the data can survive the loss of the source)

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@DavidCarlisle I guess I'm looking at this with my 'day job' hat on: DOIs work

David Carlisle

@JosephWright but TBL will go to great lengths to explain that you can give a URL to anything eg a person or an idea they are designed to be abstract. Trouble is it is much easier to use them as a direct mapping to a filesystem on a particular remote macine

@JosephWright you should work more on the semantic web (or pure mathematics) whether things work is a minor implementation detail.

@JosephWright mail from morten I see:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Certainly. The think is though you still need some URL, and having foobar.com/journals/some-journal/some-ref-for-an-article isn't 'easy' compared to 'DOI: 10.1234/ja567890`

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@DavidCarlisle I know!

@DavidCarlisle I'll see what I can come up with for the news

David Carlisle

15:20

@JosephWright not sure what to do with a DOI (other than google) but same in URL form doi.org/10.1021/ja506693m you just need to click on:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Well I have an DOI resolver add-on installed, for example, so can highlight 10.1021/ja506693m and go straight there. The idea is that you can always use the one website to resolve DOIs (dx.doi.org)

@DavidCarlisle One of mine I see :-)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I read every word

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle In any case, even if we were talking URLs the same point would apply: I don't think saying you have stability to a file is the right approach, it should be to some landing-point for a file

Alenanno

15:36

@PauloCereda Someone wrote this in the Math.SE chat

in Mathematics, 6 mins ago, by Huy

can't be very important if I don't remember, right? ducks

Ducks. Ducks.

Paulo Cereda

15:52

:)

@Alenanno My work there is done. :)

Alenanno

@PauloCereda Mission accomplished.

Paulo Cereda

@Alenanno LOL

They got scared of a surprise duck. :)

They weren't expecting a duck to appear. Much like the Spanish Inquisition...

(cue for @JosephWright and @ChristianHupfer...)

Alenanno

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Paulo Cereda

@Alenanno awwww

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda QUACKKK!

Alenanno

15:57

The rep minimum for being able to see vote count is too damn high. >_>

Joseph Wright

@Alenanno What is it?

Alenanno

@JosephWright 1000, which doesn't sound like much until you join a site you can't really contribute much to.

Joseph Wright

@Alenanno Sure

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright ooh :)

in Mathematics, 3 mins ago, by Huy

hello duck

@Alenanno: ^^ :D

Alenanno

@JosephWright You don't sound convinced lol

Joseph Wright

15:59

@Alenanno I've only got >1000 here and on SO

Alenanno

16:10

@PauloCereda They built the ... math roads?

yo'

@Alenanno That were the Greek

Paulo Cereda

@Alenanno The acqueduck! :)

Alenanno

@yo' I think you're wrong. :P

yo'

@Alenanno The Greek were the first to introduce the concept of mathematical proofs, and mathematics for mathematics.

Alenanno

@yo' Ah, I was talking about the "roads" part lol

@yo' "math roads" was a pun on @PauloCereda message :P

5 hours ago, by Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright What have the math roman family ever done for us? :)

yo'

16:16

@Alenanno yeah, I mean, Greek built the path of mathematics as a science.

BMWurm

yo'

and I understood the pun you made, I just thought something can be built on it...

Paulo Cereda

@yo' the acqueduct? :)

@BMWurm That's a smart duck!

yo'

@PauloCereda aquaduck? But what's nonaquaduck then?

BMWurm

@PauloCereda You're the expert... I had assumed it to be a clever duck ;)

egreg

16:21

@PauloCereda Geek duck

Paulo Cereda

@yo' ooh

@BMWurm He looks very naughty! :)

@egreg Sheldon Cooper if he were a duck. :)

@DavidCarlisle: 18 upvotes!

Alenanno

@PauloCereda More like Leonard Hofstadter

Paulo Cereda

@Alenanno ah I don't watch that series. :)

I know there's a girl with the name of some fraction of money. Nickel or something along these lines...

Alenanno

@PauloCereda :P It's nice

@PauloCereda lol

@PauloCereda "There are my sons: Dime and Cent"

David Carlisle

Jan 12 at 12:15, by David Carlisle

@PauloCereda finished your thesis?

Alenanno

16:26

@DavidCarlisle lol

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Your line missed the recipient ;-)

Alenanno

@PauloCereda What engine are you using for your .tex thesis?

David Carlisle

@Alenanno MS Word

Christian Hupfer

@Alenanno DuckoTeX ;-) Every expandable macro produces a duckling

Alenanno

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Joseph Wright

16:30

@DavidCarlisle Same here

Christian Hupfer

@Alenanno A hypnotized cat? :D

Joseph Wright

repository.cam.ac.uk/bitstream/handle/1810/236310/…

BMWurm

@ChristianHupfer Her kitten was upduckted:

Alenanno

@BMWurm Lol they're like escorting the cat.

Christian Hupfer

@Alenanno ~~escorting~~ squeezing ;-)

@BMWurm Apparently -- but it looks like a tomcat rather

yo'

16:35

@PauloCereda LOL

Paulo Cereda

@Alenanno PDFLaTeX so far, but there's some chance for me to use XeLaTeX. :)

Alenanno

@PauloCereda I was thinking of switching only to choose my own font.

Paulo Cereda

@Alenanno I like CM a lot. I might end up buying Lucida fonts from TUG.

@egreg, @David, @yo' and friends: How do you like Lucida?

@BMWurm awwwwwwwwwww

Alenanno

@PauloCereda CM is fine, but... I want something particular. Like Minion Pro. But free. :P

Joseph Wright

@Alenanno Minion Pro is very nice

Paulo Cereda

16:42

@Alenanno Calluna.

Alenanno

@JosephWright Indeed, but not free :(

Paulo Cereda

Oh wait, Calluna isn't free. :)

@Joseph: do you like Lucida?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Hope my reply to Jonas goes down OK

yo'

@PauloCereda Not at all, actually.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Not so keen

BMWurm

16:44

@PauloCereda Awww, that is funny ... I actually found that one on a site with 60 cute baby duck pictures to make you say awww ... and you did say awww :D ( animals.ekstrax.com/… )

egreg

@PauloCereda My last lecture notes use it: di.univr.it/documenti/OccorrenzaIns/matdid/matdid842339.pdf

Alenanno

@JosephWright Did you buy it? It's like 45 € :( (only one type)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda use lualatex vvvv

\documentclass{ucthesis}
\usepackage{chickenize}
\directlua{chickenstring[1] = "quack"}
\chickenize

\author{Paulo}
\title{Something about macros}
\degree{PhD}
\prevdegrees{nothing}
\field{computer science}
\campus{SP}
\chair{high}
\othermembers{?}
\degreesemester{?}
\degreeyear{2020}

\begin{document}

\maketitle
abc abc abc
\end{document}

5

Joseph Wright

@Alenanno It's a lot more than that, and no I don't own it

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle I WUB YOU

Alenanno

16:46

@JosephWright Yeah 45 € * regular/black/italic/etc

Paulo Cereda

@BMWurm oooh

Cat In A Shark Costume Chases A Duck While Riding A Roomba

►

@egreg ooh

@egreg: do you have Type 1 or OTF?

Joseph Wright

@Alenanno Exactly: unless you are actually in publishing this can't be justified

Alenanno

All of them is 2,016 € ... >_>

egreg

@PauloCereda Both. The PDF has been typeset with unicode-math

Paulo Cereda

@egreg cool, I wil lthink about getting them.

@barbara: Is there a Lucida Type 1 + OTF + DK bundle?

David Carlisle

16:52

@JosephWright looks Ok (especially the second one:-) I agree really despite arguing at length above about URL stability, that there are rather few links to the current site that we need to keep and if that's the only reason for "self" hosting then we may as well just use github (which reminds me of something I'd forgotten all about, my experiments with hosting ukfaq via gh-pages)

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle \degreeyear{2020} ???? :D

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle That's I guess my concern: the actual need here seems very small

@egreg My goodness, that's a massive amount of notes

egreg

@JosephWright The two final chapters are just for completeness; just 166 pages. Is it too much?

Joseph Wright

@egreg :-)

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer have to make allowances for excessive procrastination

Christian Hupfer

17:05

@DavidCarlisle Oh, I see ... change it to \degreeyear{2041} please ;-) @PauloCereda :-P

Alenanno

@UlrikeFischer I was not asking with the intent of polemicizing, by the way. Also, my comments were just based on the current info, I did ask the OP to provide a .tex example to show the problem in my first comment.

@UlrikeFischer Read your last comment: Ok.

Johannes_B

17:28

@DavidCarlisle :-)

yo'

It's probably for the best. Since Roombas are native to North America, it's illegal for Americans to keep them in their houses under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act.

David Carlisle

17:50

@egreg vvvv

bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/35334049

Alenanno

18:07

@ChristianHupfer I deleted mine too after it showed a huge flaw. >_>

Besides, the solution provided by @AlanMunn looks more appropriate.

Christian Hupfer

@Alenanno Perhaps. I could improve my solution to be really usable, but I don't have enough time right now --> cooking and eating (soon)

Alenanno

@ChristianHupfer I see. :D Eating what?

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Wow!

Johannes_B

18:26

Does anybody have some input concerning comparison diagrams? latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=93184#p93184

yo'

@Johannes_B there's nothing more into them than what's shown... I've never worked with pgfplots, I'd do this in plain TikZ

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B \begin{picture]....

Johannes_B

@yo' Wanna answer the question?

Personally, i don't use TikZ as well.

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B you don't need tikz to draw a couple of rulers:-)

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle True :-)

Alan Munn

18:41

@Alenanno @ChristianHupfer I wonder if there's a badge for "answered question with > n deleted answers." :)

yo'

@Johannes_B not really. I don't even have an account there

Alenanno

@AlanMunn I don't think so, but there is one for mass-downvoting-of-an-answer-when-the-others-were-deleted. :P

yo'

@AlanMunn Are you still around please?

Christian Hupfer

@AlanMunn I only deleted because I had not the time to provide a proper answer

Alenanno

19:00

@yo' Again problems with the french form? :P

yo'

@Alenanno no, problem with English this time :)

Alenanno

@yo' lol What is it? I know English better than French :D Unless you need some Alan's specific skill.

yo'

@Alenanno no specific skill. I would like to thank all members of XYZ for their unconditional welcoming. --- Does it make sense?

Alenanno

@yo' I'd say "all the members" (or "all the XYZ members" depending on what XYZ is) and "unconditional welcome". Then I think it's ok.

yo'

@Alenanno ah articles :D Thanks for welcome vs welcoming, that's difficult to guess, know or find this

Alenanno

19:12

@yo' If you start typing in Google "thanks for the warm", all results are "welcome". :D

yo'

@Alenanno aha

Alenanno

@yo' That's how I usually check if I'm correct.

yo'

@Alenanno yeah, I try that too, but it does work only with some pre-knowledge

Alenanno

@yo' Or you could write "Thanks y'all!"

:P

yo'

@Alenanno That could be the last sentence of the thesis acknowledgements :D

Alenanno

19:27

@yo' I want to stick "powered by \LaTeX" somewhere. Any suggestions on which page?

yo'

@Alenanno have you got a colophon?

Alenanno

@yo' What is that?

Alan Munn

19:43

@yo' Hi I'm back.

Alenanno

What do you guys think? I doubt \titleformat and \titlespacing were supposed to be in the document:

I use TeXnicCenter with MikTeX. I updated it, but the only changing thing is that I don't get the error anymore, but the geometry is still the same. I think \titleformat{\chapter}{\normalfont\bfseries\Large}{\thechapter.\quad}{0pt}{} \titlespacing{\chapter}{0pt}{-50pt}{40pt} needs to be after the preamble.I did so and now it runs. But I still got another arror (which I didn't tell so far). Can I upload a *.jpg file here? — Nepumuk 2 mins ago

yo'

@Alenanno iwgtfy.com/?q=colophon

Alenanno

@yo' A lmgtfy variant?

Anyway, no, I don't have it. But I guess I could add it?

yo'

@Alenanno probably. I mean, Google/Wiki will do a better job than me

@Alenanno Sure, unless "Published by LaTeX" were the only information there

Alenanno

@yo' What else would you put there?

yo'

19:46

other option is simply put it on the bottom of the last verso page, for instance

@Alenanno what is it exactly -- the works?

Alenanno

@yo' A thesis :P

yo'

@Alenanno ok, gimme a second

check the last page of kmlinux.fjfi.cvut.cz/~hejdato1/main/www/papers/…

Alenanno

@yo' Interesting! Thanks. :D

yo'

I won't include one in my PhD thesis

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