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8:49 AM
Hi. I Updated LyX, but now all of the document classes are unavailable. Is there a quick fix to this or should I reinstall it?
 
Good maen
 
@TheSubstitute Have you tried Tools -> Reconfigure and then restarting LyX?
 
9:15 AM
Hi Christian.
 
I just learned on the DANTE list, that Peter Breitenlohner has died in October. mpp.mpg.de/mpg/websitePhysik/pdf/nachrufe/…
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@Johannes_B Saw the same on the TL list a moment ago
 
I think this totally belongs here :-)
 
9:32 AM
@ℝaphink Absolutely!
 
@Johannes_B which list?
 
10:16 AM
@Sean: Fire at will, commander. — Paulo Cereda 12 hours ago
 
@JosephWright :(
 
What does Will have done to be shot?
 
@egreg Quite
 
@RomainPicot Bad joke ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer really bad (seen on 9gag with some picture)
 
10:31 AM
@RomainPicot oh no
 
@PauloCereda Ah, our Voting Squad Commander :D
 
@ChristianHupfer I am the General. :)
 
@PauloCereda The Emporer :-P Give in to your Voting Anger ;-)
 
10:48 AM
@JosephWright What special version of TeX?
 
@ChristianHupfer @PauloCereda And the emperor does not love emacs tag question, none of my answer on the subject have received upvote yesterday :-P
 
11:04 AM
@RomainPicot On TeX.SX?
 
@ChristianHupfer of course, TeX.SE is the most important place in all stackexchange network after all :-)
 
11:18 AM
@FaheemMitha That I don't know: perhaps @DavidCarlisle can enlighten us (or @egreg, @barbarabeeton, ...)
 
@JosephWright Peter Breitenlohner was the maintainer of e-TeX.
 
@egreg Yes, I know that, but the obituary says
> For the MPP he wrote a special version of TeX, which was used there for many years and had some advantages compared to the now universally used LaTeX.
 
@JosephWright Maybe one of the now unused TeX formats; there are some originated in physics departments.
 
@egreg I assume so
 
11:29 AM
@egreg Ah
 
The obituary doesn't say if he's been ill?
 
12:06 PM
@DavidCarlisle No, says it was unexpected
 
12:47 PM
@JosephWright sorry I mislead you on the node subtype 8 change, 8 isn't unused it's now the user-defined whatsit type and the spelling package accessed the type by name: local start_tag = node_new(WHATSIT, USER_DEFINED) where USER_DEFINED is now 8, so it works, but not if we make 8 map to 16. Seems nothing can be done except get people to update packages to refer to node (sub)type ids by name not number.
 
1:20 PM
@RomainPicot I took control of the Voting Squad ... et voilá, trois upvotes :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer @PauloCereda I think some other does +160 (with your +30) on emacs tag question today ! It think our favorite duck shot first!
 
@RomainPicot Perhaps the other Emacs aficionado @SeanAllred? ;-) Amongst others, of course
 
@RomainPicot in that case probably -160 tomorrow with a comment from the automated site police "serial voting reversed"
 
@ChristianHupfer perhaps yes
 
@DavidCarlisle Only if a single user was on an upvoting rant ;-)
@RomainPicot But we could mortarboard-badging you today ;-)
 
1:29 PM
@DavidCarlisle It depends on the size of the voting squad but however it's quite surprising to see the upvote when I come back from my lunch
 
@RomainPicot Hm, all upvotes are basically on the same time I see... -- reversing is likely
 
@ChristianHupfer one upvote and it will by done. I'm waiting for a question that I can answer :-P
 
@DavidCarlisle OK, take out of patching code :-)
 
@JosephWright done already:-)
 
1:31 PM
@ChristianHupfer Not a big deal if it's revert, it's funny to see this at least
 
@RomainPicot Wait and ... see ...
 
@ChristianHupfer Yes this question was tagged as "hot" by stacexchange and so "advertise"
 
@RomainPicot oh no I was caught no idea of what happened. :)
 
92
Q: I am a serial upvoter

Paulo CeredaI am Paulo. I am the top voter of the entire StackExchange universe. And I believe I fit the description of being a serial upvoter. It is my OCD. I like to upvote, it is one of my favourite hobbies and the way I found to help this community. First things first: reputation does not mean anything...

 
@PauloCereda Naughty duck, naughty duck, naughty, naughty!
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1:34 PM
@ChristianHupfer oh no
 
@PauloCereda if you don't want to be caught, best not to post advance confessions on the internet
 
@PauloCereda @DavidCarlisle was looking for the post too
 
@DavidCarlisle that was not me, it was another duck. :)
 
@PauloCereda git blame @PauloCereda or git blame @JosephWright ;-)
@RomainPicot: Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooops ;-)
 
@egreg Thanks.
 
1:39 PM
@ChristianHupfer ooh
 
@ChristianHupfer @PauloCereda Yes, I don't know how this is possible but I happy with it :-P
 
@RomainPicot It's sticky , even after reversal
 
@ChristianHupfer I think only tag badges are not sticky no?
 
@RomainPicot As far as I know, yes. They can be withdrawn if the vote count drops below the threshold
@RomainPicot: I'll remove your mortarboard badge for this proposition :-P — Christian Hupfer 12 mins ago
 
1:56 PM
@ChristianHupfer impossible it's a sticky badge :-P
 
Everybody stay quiet: KV622 playing. ;-)
 
@RomainPicot I could ask the Powers :-P
 
@egreg is this ping quiet enough?
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@ChristianHupfer :'(
 
@DavidCarlisle Zeroed the volume on this machine. :P
 
@ChristianHupfer DANTE, our members mailing list.
 
@Johannes_B Ah, I am not subscribed to it
 
@ChristianHupfer by the way, Slao is a synonym to the obvious type Also.
 
@Johannes_B Häh????
 
@ChristianHupfer I sent you a FB msg a few minutes ago. Nothing important.
 
2:11 PM
@Johannes_B FB is in the background right now... but I've seen the message right now. I will answer later on, ok?
 
@ChristianHupfer Don't worry. My confusion will last a while ;-)
 
@Johannes_B Without joking: Of course you are confused about that
 
@PauloCereda I can't hear you! Mozart's clarinet concerto playing!
 
2:28 PM
@egreg That's a good one.
 
2:43 PM
@FaheemMitha -- the special version of tex installed at his university by peter breitenlohner was "physe" (i had to look that up). but he was better known in the wider tex community for e-tex, for which he was largely responsible. he also created tex--xet, for bidirectional support. and peter was one of the "undercover" bug-checking team approved by knuth to decide whether bug reports would be forwarded or rejected. he received at least one of the $327.64 checks for actual bugs found in tex.
 
@barbarabeeton e-tex is now standard, right? I think latex now announces itself as that.
latex --version
pdfTeX 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.15 (TeX Live 2015/dev/Debian)
kpathsea version 6.2.1dev
Copyright 2014 Peter Breitenlohner (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX).
There is NO warranty. Redistribution of this software is
covered by the terms of both the pdfTeX copyright and
the Lesser GNU General Public License.
For more information about these matters, see the file
named COPYING and the pdfTeX source.
Primary author of pdfTeX: Peter Breitenlohner (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX).
Compiled with libpng 1.6.13; using libpng 1.6.13
 
@FaheemMitha One among my best favorites.
 
Yes, his name is right in there. Maybe we should be flying the flag at half mast, or whatever one does on those occasions.
Han The Thanh originally created pdftex as a grad student, if I recall correctly. Though I've never seen him here.
 
@barbarabeeton A great loss. I suspected he was in the bug checking team.
 
@egreg The string quartets are also very good.
 
2:47 PM
@FaheemMitha Yes, of course. But they require the proper mood.
 
@egreg Yes, I suppose so.
And presumably a suitable beverage.
 
@FaheemMitha -- absolutely true. only the original "knuth tex" is without the e-tex extensions now. the added tracing elements are what i find most useful, although i'm sure i use other features quite obliviously.
 
@egreg Soloist?
 
@JosephWright Fabio Di Casola
 
@DavidCarlisle I hope my edit is correct.
 
2:51 PM
@FaheemMitha -- the original pdftex manual was published as an issue of tugboat: tug.org/TUGboat/tb18-4/tb57than.pdf
 
@JosephWright In your comment at tex.stackexchange.com/questions/186588/… probably 2005 should be 2015
 
@barbarabeeton ok
 
@FaheemMitha -- oh, i failed to say that this was thanh's doctoral dissertation.
 
@barbarabeeton ooh more people working with macros. :) I am not alone. :)
 
@barbarabeeton Yes, I remember reading about that. How hard was pdftex to implement? Does anyone know?
 
3:07 PM
@FaheemMitha I didn't get an edit notification?
 
@DavidCarlisle Odd.
@DavidCarlisle You typed TeX as tex. Shock horror.
 
@FaheemMitha I'll get @barbarabeeton to show me where the shift key is.
 
@DavidCarlisle You do that. Have you found the question button yet?
 
@FaheemMitha No
 
@DavidCarlisle C-x M-x yetanotherwackyemacskeybindtomakewackiercapitalizations
 
3:10 PM
I'm impressed that a working physicist would have the time to work on TeX. Then again, people here have other day jobs.
 
@PauloCereda emacs says: C-h M-x is undefined
 
@DavidCarlisle M-x doctor might help.
 
@PauloCereda not much:
I am the psychotherapist.  Please, describe your problems.  Each time
you are finished talking, type RET twice.

Paulo thinks I'm ill

Why do you say paulo thinks you are ill?

He says I should invoke you

Is it because of your plans that you say he says you should invoke me?

Or he may have meant The Doctor

Maybe your life has something to do with this.

What function should I bind to C-x M-x

What makes you believe that?
@PauloCereda Psmith is more fun to talk to.
 
@DavidCarlisle oh no
!!/help
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Good afternoon! I'm Psmith, the friendly TeX bot - the p in my name is silent, as in pshrimp. I'm here as a companion to our fellow users in the typographic land. As you probably noticed, I always reply under Paulo's account, but do not despair, I say, my replies are always preceded by my own name. Enjoy your stay at TeX.sx! If you need any help, just ask our chat residents. Cheerio!
 
!!/cricket
 
3:20 PM
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- Afghanistan 144/10 &  540/10  v Papua New Guinea 188/10 &  295/10 *
- Bengal 142/10 &  135/10  v Odisha 37/10 &  107/10 *
- Haryana 112/10 &  62 * v Rajasthan 279/10
- Karnataka 542/10  v Delhi 60/1 *
- Maharashtra v Assam 223/4 *
- Madhya Pradesh 240/10 &  201/10 * v Mumbai 162/10
- Railways 182/10 &  194/8 * v Andhra 114/10
- Tamil Nadu v Gujarat
- Uttar Pradesh 205/8 * v Punjab 272/10
- Hyderabad (India) 548/5  v Tripura 13/1 *
!!/fortune
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: I could not understand f/ortune
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: Shame on you for thinking a cookie is psychic.
LOL
 
!!/choose vim, emacs
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: vim
@DavidCarlisle: ^^
 
@PauloCereda Not fair at all!
 
@RomainPicot coin coin! :)
 
@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright Does the FAQ here need some correction regarding the etex and \reserveinsert advice? tex.ac.uk/FAQ-floats.html
 
3:24 PM
!!/battle
 
@egreg Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 260 vs. 150 David. So far, egreg is winning.
 
@PauloCereda quack quack ! :)
!!/song
 
@RomainPicot Psmith, the TeX bot: Paulo is not listening to any songs at the moment.
 
@DavidCarlisle So you're a cricket expert?
 
!!/eightball Was @Romain a victim of the Voting Squad?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: I say, old bean, do you really need to know?
 
3:31 PM
@UlrikeFischer Probably
 
@JosephWright Since you're here, tex.stackexchange.com/a/279760/586 (you may have seen it already).
 
!!/eightball Is @JosephWright here?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: aye aye.
 
The TUG interview for Hàn Thế Thành says he still maintains pdfTeX. Is that still true? Also, that he works for River Valley?
 
@JosephWright There's one more of those rubbish answers to that same question (he made three).
 
@RomainPicot You're rep capped! Hurray!
 
3:36 PM
@egreg The Voting Squad!
@TorbjørnT. oh no!
!!/eightball Does the Voting Squad exist?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: I think I'll pass.
 
@PauloCereda Well, they never survive long, and we're not exactly flooded by them, so not a big problem. Vote to delete: tex.stackexchange.com/a/279762/586
 
@TorbjørnT. Done.
 
@TorbjørnT. Done
 
Can you delete the originating account too?
 
!!/fortune
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: A conclusion is simply the place where you got tired of thinking.
 
3:56 PM
@egreg ask @PauloCereda about some emacs tag answers ;-)
 
@RomainPicot Oh no!
 
@UlrikeFischer yes, @JosephWright is faq supremo ....
 
!!/eightball do I know anything about upvotes?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: totally.
oy
 
@FaheemMitha I refer you to our conversation yesterday:-)
 
!!/eightball does @PauloCereda lie?
 
4:01 PM
@RomainPicot Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: been there, done that.
 
@JosephWright I could take a cut at it (if you tell me how to access anything:-)
!!/eightball does @RomainPicot deserve his mortarboard badge?
 
4:17 PM
@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: as I see it, yes.
 
@JosephWright if I'd been paying attention in your talk I'd presumably have known that:-) fork and pull request?
 
@DavidCarlisle Fine
 
@JosephWright Ok may have a look one evening
 
@DavidCarlisle @PauloCereda even the great eightball accept my mortarboard badge :-)
 
4:23 PM
@RomainPicot <3
 
@DavidCarlisle So, is that yes or no?
 
@FaheemMitha no
 
@DavidCarlisle oh no
 
@DavidCarlisle Ooh, more shattered illusions. I had visions of you in white flannel playing on the village green.
@PauloCereda You need to fix your Psmith.
 
@FaheemMitha Nicola is the cricket expert, she's even been to a cricket match, which I've never done:-)
@FaheemMitha I suppose you believe everything Psmith says apart from that?
 
4:35 PM
@DavidCarlisle Not everything.
@DavidCarlisle You're never been to a cricket match? Horrors.
 
@DavidCarlisle Soon. :) We all will attend one. :)
@FaheemMitha in which ways? :)
@egreg ooh blurb. :)
 
@PauloCereda Well, he's making false statements about David. Maybe he got cricket and TeX mixed up.
 
@FaheemMitha David is a cricket expert, he just does not admit. :)
 
@PauloCereda Naughty David.
 
@JosephWright make: *** No rule to make target 'subdocuments.mk'. Stop. is make not the build system of choice for this?
 
4:55 PM
@DavidCarlisle We don't have any of the back-end scripts Robin used to use (Perl I believe): how we are going to get things onto the server is still a bit unclear
 
@DavidCarlisle l3arara
 
@DavidCarlisle I guess RF didn't put everything on CTAN :-(
 
@JosephWright oh OK, probably best I experiment in my fork then (although I think you just gave me direct push access:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I did indeed
 
@JosephWright brave
 
5:01 PM
@DavidCarlisle I'm happy with any fixes: we'll need to get @PauloCereda to sort the server stuff
@DavidCarlisle I think you count as 'people who can be trusted': the idea is to take pull requests more widely but give a set of sensible people direct access
 
@JosephWright I can take a look later on.
 
@JosephWright oh I see so github is basically just latex as of now, no html conversion in the setup there
 
@DavidCarlisle Indeed
@DavidCarlisle As I did explain at TUG2015 ...
 
@JosephWright I'm sure I was listening at the time
I don't suppose unpack FAQ-html.tar.gz check in the html files to gh-pages and edit the html, forgetting about this tex based backend, doesn't count as a plan?
 
@DavidCarlisle Not at present
@DavidCarlisle I'm just co-ordinating efforts: all sensible suggestions welcome
@DavidCarlisle I had wondered about this sort of approach but don't think it would be universally popular :-)
 
5:12 PM
@JosephWright just looking around. I'll make sure I can build at least the latex/pdf before starting to edit anything..
 
5:56 PM
@TorbjørnT. indeed, whew, thanks!
 
6:18 PM
@JosephWright do you get ! LaTeX Error: Command \textasciigrave unavailable in encoding OT1. (and same for \texteuro, \textcurrency) on pdflatex newfaq ?
@JosephWright ah Ok I see only default cm is broken, the other cfgs load textcomp
 
@JosephWright I'm just working on a conversion to a responsive web version of the FAQ accessible with phones and tablets too, dynamic menus and navigation, based on Bootstrap
 
6:34 PM
@StefanKottwitz converting from present html, or a new converter from the tex?
 
@DavidCarlisle Testing css and destination syntax, not yet converting but evaluating which way would be more meaningful. A chain (tex -> html -> bootstrap) would not be an issue, but tex -> bootstrap could be easier as it can build on existing Perl code. Anyway, it's a front end thing and should adjust to the source, no matter if TeX or MarkDown or Wiki or HTML - which brings me back to base on HTML.
hm, let me see if I can get a local test page online
 
@StefanKottwitz I just checked out the github this afternoon and was looking at the html which is "interesting" ;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle too minimal
 
6:49 PM
@StefanKottwitz very 1990's :-) (and forces the browser into quirks mode:(
 
@DavidCarlisle Just to prove that there's a start, a single simple test page for my playing is tex.ac.uk/test/sample.html , which should for example change the menu when the browser width is much reduced
@DavidCarlisle the plan is a responsive page with easy navigation and auto-completing search, not much other bells and whistles
@DavidCarlisle so just a conversion on top
a simple html version should be kept as fallback and for distributing
 
7:14 PM
@Johannes_B: Got your mail
 
7:28 PM
@ChristianHupfer Did you like the file name?
 
@Johannes_B I wondered about it ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer The only reason why sent a mail was indeed the file name. I thought FB would replace it.
 
\begin{tableofcontents}
\tableofcontents
\end{tableofcontents}
An example of 'weird' code ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer You see that often with the titlepage environment and \maketitle
 
@Johannes_B In your templates? ;-)
 
7:41 PM
@ChristianHupfer I don't have any templates.
:-p
 
@Johannes_B I meant the templates you encountered so far
 
@ChristianHupfer latex-community.org/forum/… I was just thinking of you.
 
@Johannes_B Good you added the link otherwise your line could be misunderstood heavily ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Lots of things i say and do are misunderstood by people. I wonder why?
 
@Johannes_B Neurology.SX is the right place for that ;-)
Going offline
 
7:55 PM
@ChristianHupfer It is like the goat film, some people are adding LSD to the drinking water of the town.
@ChristianHupfer See you :-)
 
 
3 hours later…
10:32 PM
So, are everyone busy playing the latest XKCD?
 
10:59 PM
@egreg I wish you had told LL that when he designed tabbing
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@egreg completely useless environment and accounts for more than its fair share of latex complexity and bugs
 
@DavidCarlisle Which is the reason for restoring \- in minipage, I guess.
 
@egreg as you would know if you had read my excellent answer to that question
 
@DavidCarlisle I used it several times.
 
11:01 PM
@egreg you are so old, I'm sure just by random effects you've used all environments several times
 
@DavidCarlisle You could learn something here
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A: Why does this protection not work?

egregAmong what LaTeX does during the output routine there is \@arrayparboxrestore which emits, among other things, \-\@dischyph where \@dischyph is defined by the kernel with 560 \def\-{\discretionary{-}{}{}} 561 \let\@dischyph=\- (I've left the line numbers). This means that when the .aux file...

@DavidCarlisle That's Jan 26 '12 :P
 
@egreg :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle And you can see this comment
@cgnieder Note that the redefinition of \- in \@arrayparboxrestore is due to the fact that the output routine might be invoked inside a tabbing environment, where \- is redefined. — egreg Jan 26 '12 at 22:01
 
@egreg Output R or simply using \parbox in a nested context
 
@DavidCarlisle Yeah, \parbox in tabbing! I think I've used that too. ;-)
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A: Spacing between lines differs when using tabbing and parbox

egregThe default setting of \parbox is to make a box whose reference point is half way from the top to the bottom (not precisely, but the details are unimportant). This makes hard to place them in a tabbing environment. A possible solution is to place the parbox with "top" alignment and add a fixed v...

 
yo'
11:18 PM
Back in Paris! :)
 
@yo' How was the weather in the Midi?
 
yo'
@egreg Mistral on Monday, but today 'twas really nice :)
 
@yo' Of course, the day you're leaving always has nice weather.
 
yo'
@egreg I was leaving in the evening today, so I enjoyed both days pretty well.
 
@yo' Good to have the TGV, I guess
 
yo'
11:28 PM
@egreg that's perfect. I left Marseille at 7:06pm, slept or half-slept most of the journey, got to the friends place in Paris at 11pm
 
@yo' No glass of wine on board? ;-)
 
yo'
@egreg no. I wouldn't get wine on TGV I think, even if offered
 
yo'
11:42 PM
Is this a bug in TikZ?! Or am I completely stupid?
\documentclass{article}

\usepackage{tikz}

\usetikzlibrary{decorations, decorations.text, decorations.markings, decorations.pathreplacing, decorations.pathmorphing}

\begin{document}

\tikz \fill [decorate,decoration={crosses}]
[fill=blue!20,draw=blue,thick] (0,0) -- (2,1) arc (90:-90:.5) -- cycle;

\end{document}
ah ok, I'm a bit stupid (and so is the pgf manual, unfortunately)
 

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