@1010011010 Sorry. I don't even understand the question. So the answer is probably a resounding 'no!'. By default, you get bitmap fonts because TeX uses metafont source fonts. (This is for the TeX or pdfTeX engines.) Type1 fonts are vector/scalable. Usually, these are what you want to use. But I don't know what a 'vector strike' is. In the next question, what does 'it' refer to? What is converting what to what?

@1010011010 that's a choice of the font not of tex. All metafont fonts are bitmap in that sense.

@DavidCarlisle Yeah, I had somebody from GD.SX tell me that it might be a difference in the way the font file is read, e.g. that some font management software would read the vector points/strikes and others would show the bitmap strikes. Doesn't seem to be the case however, there are no bitmap strikes in my font. It's all really strange since e.g. the side bearings are editable, but the glyph itself is not. Much confusion. This calls for thinking it over at breakfast.

Soon, TL2015 in here. :)

By the way, hello everybody! :)

@PauloCereda Quick, get all your documents finished while you still have chance.

@DavidCarlisle I wub you <3

What have you broken this time? :)

@PauloCereda well on macs, the installer was broken as far as I can see, not my fault though:-)

@cfr I am converting to Type1 fonts (I think). And honestly, I don't really know what a vector strike is, but I guess it relates to the idea of a vector font, vector graphics, etc., so arbitrarily scalable.

@DavidCarlisle Was it? I thought it was only the TL install script.

@PauloCereda I had ice cream in Monghidoro, yesterday.

@egreg really?! Yaaaay! Was it good? :)

@egreg: when I manage to visit you, I will try to go to the GuIT meeting, then lots of ice cream. :)

@PauloCereda The usual place was closed, but another place had good ice cream as well.

@egreg :)

@GonzaloMedina you've got 43 new messages on the picture, which is 1 too much, 42 would be better :)

Is this documented behaviour? graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/a/54974/37440

@yo' Or maybe he was way ahead of us, and the question to which the answer is 42 is "What is the real answer minus 1?"

@1010011010 there was a discussion about which of the (multiple) internal font names to use on the xetex list the other day, i would guess any application has similar problems. But clearly the name should be changed if you are changing the font

@DavidCarlisle I do not debate that the name should be changed, but caching in this fashion doesn't seem very productive. I would have to delete all files in .texlive2014 (2015 in your case), every time I wanted to change the font. Version control in the PostScript name seems woefully wrong.

@1010011010 isn't it just picking up the original font rather than a cache (or do you mean you edited in place)

TL 2015 working in my Mac! :)

@PauloCereda Cool

Last login: Sun Jun 14 07:42:56 on ttys000
Love thy neighbor, tune thy piano.

oxford:~ paulo$

@JosephWright Weird fortune cookie though. :)

@DavidCarlisle It might be picking the original font, yeah. I basically edit the font, run it through whatever (fontinst as well as otftotfm seem to do the same thing). If I don't change the postscript name every single time, it'll pick up the font at first declaration of the PS name again.

Let's just say I wouldn't have coded it that way...

Which suggests it's either cached, or some font file isn't updated correctly, or who knows...

@1010011010 you don't need to change the name every time if you have multiple versions of your version, just don't install multiple fonts with the same name.

@DavidCarlisle So you suggest I delete all the files in /username/.texlive2014/texmf-var every time I have to change a glyph?

And run the font installation again, of course.

@barbarabeeton Two very similar questions concerning the title of amsart tex.stackexchange.com/questions/249052/… and tex.stackexchange.com/questions/247515/…

@1010011010 all? no why do that?

For German speaking users: plus.google.com/115604528492955364524/posts/gRcWZBrB4bL

@DavidCarlisle Because otherwise it will still point to the original font?

@Johannes_B A keynote about how vim is awesome and how emacs is a terrible editor.

@DavidCarlisle ^^

:)

@PauloCereda Wow, that chat klonk was loud.

@Johannes_B NOISE NOISE NOISE

<3

@PauloCereda I already set the volume to a Do Not Startle Me To Death-level :-p

@Johannes_B strange. I didn't change anything significant lately... also: a test comment work just fine right now

@Johannes_B they sound like a lot more than they're actually are. Maybe I'll add a few more details.

@1010011010 but that just means updating one font?

@PauloCereda probably RMS's badge should have for using vim at the bottom.

@DavidCarlisle Yeah updating just seems clunky. But I don't think I will edit fonts a lot... maybe I just have to postpone this till the very end or whatever...

@DavidCarlisle ^^

@1010011010 you can't really use a document using the modified font for much anyway (other than distributing on paper) so it's not a common activity.

@clemens So the behaviour is localized to my machine. Cleared the cache and restarted firefox. Maybe a sys-update helps?

@Johannes_B maybe some temporary server problems? Could you try again?

@clemens ^^^^

@clemens Actually looking into the file gives a clue :-D

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
<html><head>
<title>200 OK</title>
</head><body>
<h1>OK</h1>
<p>The server is temporarily unable to service your
request due to maintenance downtime or capacity
problems. Please try again later.</p>
</body></html>

@Johannes_B probably setting your default to vim caused bad things to happen.

@DavidCarlisle No, vim is nice.

@Johannes_B I have no time to read the chat transcript all day long and looking who wrote what at which time ;-) Sorry for the duplicate 'announcement' ;-)

@ChristianHupfer More advertising. I wonder how many people that events will attract. Which 20 year old student has heard of Richard Stallman?

@Johannes_B :-)

@Johannes_B Who? :p

@Johannes_B: Who says that a 20 year old student should be addressed at all? ;-)

@DavidCarlisle oy

@PauloCereda you rang?

@PauloCereda: What have you done?? ;-)

@StefanKottwitz: I am a 'victim' of serial upvoting, 15 upvotes within a minute, most probably all by the same user, I think this will get reversed :-(

@ChristianHupfer Happened some times to me too. I guess such votes don't mean specific content anyway, so take it as a personal compliment without actual consequene since it will be reversed.

@StefanKottwitz: It looks strange if I got 10 badges awarded in the same minute ;-)

@ChristianHupfer Oh! Yes. I guess badges won't be removed (but I don't know)

@StefanKottwitz Well, I have no idea ... we will see

@StefanKottwitz Yes, tag badges are retracted.

@DavidCarlisle <3

@ChristianHupfer What have I done? :)

@PauloCereda: I put it to you that you published a Hungarian phrasebook unleashed the Upvoting Squad Force ;-)

@egreg I know, you have no experience with getting badges (:-P) but the serial upvoting flooded 18 (ordinary, not tag) badges into my purse within a few minutes

@ChristianHupfer They'll be retracted, too.

@egreg: Well, I don't mind -- it looked weird to make such a jump

@ChristianHupfer I haven't voted for a while, I felt very guilty for making egreg lose so much rep. :(

@PauloCereda I didn't, actually.

@egreg But you got a lot of serial voting reversals. :(

@ArthurReutenauer: Bonjour! :)

@PauloCereda: Does MacTeX work for you now?

@ChristianHupfer It does.

@PauloCereda And no answer from the powers.

@egreg :(

@Johannes_B -- oh, sigh. thanks. (there are days when i wish there were other document classes that looked like amsart without the strictly fixed style of the "top matter".)

@barbarabeeton :-)

@PauloCereda -- except that stallman was the person originally responsible for emacs, when it was written in teco.

@barbarabeeton :) I was teasing David. :)

@PauloCereda a waste of time, since I ignore you, and never read what you write.

@barbarabeeton Do you know if we need to book the Welcome Hotel for attending the TUG conference? Or if there's a fee for non-hotel-guests attending the conference?

@DavidCarlisle /sob

@barbarabeeton or if it's just expected that conference attendees are hotel guests

@StefanKottwitz The Welcome Hotel has prices which are not welcoming at all!

@StefanKottwitz -- as far as i know, there's no extra fee if you don't stay at the welcome hotel. you're thinking of coming? great!

@StefanKottwitz There's meant to be a deal for staying at the hotel but it's got nothing to do with the conference fee: you can stay where you like

@barbarabeeton Yes, I like to come, I only hesitated because of not knowing work project dates

@StefanKottwitz there's a conference fee anyway but no extra fee if you don't stay at the conference hotel

@PauloCereda Looks pretty standard to me

@JosephWright I am a poor broken and lovable duck. :)

@StefanKottwitz -- how could that possibly be expected? there are at least a couple of attendees who are local -- why would they need a hotel at all?

@barbarabeeton at least I save because I fly with my company's aircraft ;-)

@JosephWright: People usually tell me that UK is probably one of the most expensive countries in Europe. I'd certainly pick another hotel because I really could not afford their prices, as I would be in a very low budget. :)

@barbarabeeton ok, I'll check out alternatives. This makes it easier to stay for longer, so Sunday until Thursday instead of just Mon/Tue overnight

actually, i've learned that the "tug rates" are the same as the regular price. (but signing up for the "tug package" does count against the cost of the meeting rooms for the organizers.)

@JosephWright: please, don't get me wrong about my UK comment. :)

@StefanKottwitz -- ah, not everyone has that benefit! (does this apply if you go outside of the eu?)

@barbarabeeton Yes, I get employee rates at all Lufthansa flights, I even could take TeX friends from Hamburg with me to Frankfurt for the same rate

@StefanKottwitz -- nice! do you know anything about condor airlines (i believe they're a "spinoff" from lufthansa)? as of next month, they'll be flying direct from providence to frankfurt! and we'll be on one of the first scheduled flights. no more driving to boston, or connecting somewhere inconvenient. no more misdirected luggage! (fingers crossed. but at least in germany, there are people my size in case i need to replace "unmentionables"; very problematic in southern india.)

@barbarabeeton Condor has a complex history :-) yes, Lufthansa had shares of it, but not any more today

@barbarabeeton: you got mail. :)

@1010011010 What are you converting to type1? I don't understand what you mean when you ask whether TeX has any glyphs which are bitmap or 'vector strike'? In one sense, the answer must be: all the glyphs are bitmap. By default, that is, TeX uses only metafont source fonts so you get bitmap. But if you use non-default fonts, you get whatever those provide so you might have bitmap or vector or a mixture depending on the particular fonts you use.

@all I've been trying to write a cheat sheet for Biblatex as there didn't seem to be one... but now I can't decide whether I've left everything important out :(.

@cfr ooo, cool, very nice! I'm sure you'd get feedback from people here (maybe not from me, but I will look to see if I can add anything useful) if you share it asking for comments. :-)

@JosephWright Would you agree that the wording in fontspec is a bit strange for missing-features-errors?

\msg_new:nnn {fontspec} {icu-feature-not-exist-in-font}
 {
  OpenType~ feature~ '\l_keys_key_tl=\l_keys_value_tl'~ (#1)~ not~ available~
  for~ font~ '\l_fontspec_fontname_tl'~
  with~ script~ '\l_@@_script_name_tl'~ and~ language~ '\l_@@_lang_name_tl'.
 }

@Johannes_B -- let's take the "moving addresses in amsart" discussion off the question. in addition to the basic classes, there are a number of "author packages", many with their own "document classes". that's in quotes, because most of these derived classes do nothing but call in the basic ams class. however, there are several that make radical style changes. one such is the style for the quarterly of applied math, the qam-l.cls, and that's what i adapted.

@cfr Collaborative help on GitHub or BitBucket? :)

@ChristianFeuersänger Hey I can't reply under the tickets but good to know the new version is coming out! :D Thanks for the effort.

@barbarabeeton Who has authored those derived classes and when?

@Johannes_B -- these author packages can be found via links from the ams web page ams.org/authors/tex/tex-hold-author-info which points to three separate groups: journals, monographs, and collections/proceedings.

@Johannes_B -- michael downes was the original author. i've added several, and am basically in charge of maintenance. the "complicated" ones are usually built up with .dtx files, to permit reasonable documentation for maintenance, but those .dtx files aren't distributed, only the .cls files. the reason for separately identifying the various components of the top matter is so that scripts can pull this information off for automated processing into per-article web pages, volume tocs, etc.

@barbarabeeton Just looked around, quite a bit of content there. Roughly speaking, how many different places are there to publish, summing up monographs, journals, and proceedings?

@cfr Need somebody to translate the result to german? I am sure it will be helpful for many.

@Johannes_B -- there are more than 22 book "series", of which 8 are proceedings; several series are co-publications with other organizations. ams publishes 11 distinct journals (two with an electronic-only component), and two others for other organizations, providing the editing, printing and distribution services.

for all of these, the bibliographic info (the top matter), abstract, and reference list (for journal articles only) is extracted automatically for posting to ams web pages, and also sent to indexing services and aggregators for wider exposure. lots of perl scripts, and an underlying database, are involved.

@PauloCereda It may come to that. If so, I'll have to learn to use git. (Right now, I only know subversion and I only know the very simplest bits of that!)

@Johannes_B I'm not sure the German would fit ;). But, actually, there isn't really a 'result' yet. I have a draft but it may yet change radically, so I wouldn't bother translating it at the moment. But that would be great in the end. (Certainly a German version is not something I could do.)

@cfr Some quick guide is badly needed i think. The manual is so huge, and the standard user only needs a relatively small amount of that.

@Johannes_B I'm not sure whether this will serve that purpose. The format is based on the latex cheat sheet and I don't think you could use that as a 'quick-start guide'. However, it might be useful in conjunction with such a guide.

But also I thought it might be useful as a 'quick reference' when you can't remember exactly which variant of the title field you are meant to use for a reprinted version of a translation included in an edited, translated edition of an author's complete works, where something was originally published as a short series of communicative dances and immortalised in a Radio 4 documentary.

Guys and girls, a work in progress, what do you think?

@Alenanno -- very nice! the mountains are a bit rounded, i think; when i think of a scene with that sort of mountains, i think of karst, and that's always very rough-edged. but the colors and shading are lovely! (and i can't understand a word, so i'm really not the best person to judge.)

@barbarabeeton It's based on another image I found on the internet :D

So I copied the mountains from there.

It's that image.

Sadly I couldn't find the same font for the Chinese characters.

@cfr I think it will be helpful in any way.

Would we consider this one as on-topic?

@Johannes_B You bet correctly. :) But it's an easy one. Only when I go touring I risk not to be rep capped.

@egreg Had a high rep day myself, 75 points :-)

@Johannes_B: I had a serial upvoting day ... about 100 of the rep today will be reversed tomorrow ... and 18 badges as well :D

@ChristianHupfer How can you get 18 badges from 10 upvotes?

@Johannes_B: It were upvotes on my 9 Votes -- first answers and accepted --> Nice answer and Enlighted ... I was quite at the edge :D

@Johannes_B tex.stackexchange.com/help/badges/19/enlightened?userid=31729 -- well, only tonight, they will be gone tomorrow

@Johannes_B: Now, it should be 95 rep ;-)

@ChristianHupfer ? Lost a tick?

@Johannes_B: Nope, yours :D

@ChristianHupfer Hopefully you don't miss those glass beads for producing content

@ChristianHupfer Oh, right. Thanks :-)

@StefanKottwitz Which content? I just answer questions... I 've not produced content for years :D

@ChristianHupfer That's the content. I mean, efficient Internet content which means hits and clicks and views and thus ads.

@StefanKottwitz: I even know who the upvoter was and wrote a mail to him, to retract his votes, apparently without success so far

@ChristianHupfer Wasn't me :-) got no mail.

@StefanKottwitz I am deeply embarrassed shocked

@Johannes_B: I've done red-penciling to 36 graduation exams in Maths in three days, for the Berufskolleg. Now awaiting the green-penciling lap in two days ...

@ChristianHupfer Busy bee.

Oh, busy bee, i should add this to my list.

Dixie Dancing ducks
Polka loving Platypus
pogo penguin
crazy capybara
disco dogs
walzing wombat
Lambada leguan
limbo lion
samba snake
salsa squirrel
Rock and Roll Racoon
Rumba Rhinoceros
Busy Bee

@Johannes_B: Jolly Johannes

@Johannes_B: Anticipating Ant ...

@Johannes_B <3

@ChristianHupfer At first, i wanted this list to be <dance> <animal>, but then ..

@PauloCereda I can't stand answers with \chapter{bla blup} ;-)

@Johannes_B: I can't dance ... but Schuhplattling Squirrels would work too :-P

@Johannes_B You should definitely make a package out of it funnychap.sty

@Johannes_B Nothing about a walrus?

btw: The funny part is not the alliteration, it is imagining a penguin dancing ppogo.

@Johannes_B Salmonella Salmon. :)

@egreg wobbly walrus? :)

@ChristianHupfer Genesis?

@PauloCereda @egreg Oh, i like that :-)

@Johannes_B Oy, that's rude :-P No, I just can't dance. I don't like dancing ...

@ChristianHupfer Dancing can be a lot of fun. No matter if dancing tango with a beautiful girl or going wild.

i.e. die Beulen aus dem Teppich treten. ;-)

@Johannes_B Love's Labour's Lost, William Shakespeare would say. I don't like dancing. Period!

@ChristianHupfer You are well aware that there is at least one moment in your life where you have to dance -- at a TUG meeting with @DavidCarlisle and @PauloCereda and @egreg and @barbarabeeton to that one ;-)

@Johannes_B Oh no, you opened the box of Pandora ... @PauloCereda will go mad about this ...

@ChristianHupfer :-D

@Johannes_B: I don't think I will attend a TUG meeting in near future ... phew no Ententanz :D

@ChristianHupfer :-(

Guys, i'll go to bed. See you soon. :-)

@Johannes_B Have a good night

I am off ... have a nice time

Anyone care to take a minute and check me for accuracy? seanallred.com/latex3/2015/06/14/expl3-vs-l3.html

@SeanAllred I probably wouldn't state the last bit so strongly the "important to note" bit, better to say the top level l3 syntax is not designed yet (although there have been prototypes) one of the aims of having a clearly separate programming layer is that different top level syntaxes could be supported, certainly one that looks similar to 2e, but perhaps an xml one, or a wiki-like one or whatever.

@SeanAllred cf the layers diagram at latex-project.org/papers/2013-10-24-latex3.pdf

@egreg as ever: longwinded version of my answer:-)

@DavidCarlisle Much more detailed and not glossing over the possibility of directly using { and }. :P

@egreg yes well I didn't want to use \\ as the example as that's predefined as \@backslashchar ...