TeX, LaTeX and Friends

yo'

00:21

With @Stefan stepping out of the competition, things change a bit ;)

it seems that I'm alone here :(

yo'

01:06

@JosephWright typo in l3interface.pdf, page 152, very last paragraph: double The The

Stefan Kottwitz

07:02

@yo' still here

N3buchadnezzar

09:12

Figured it out!

Joseph Wright

@yo' Spotted two the the but not on page 152: context?

Johannes_B

09:43

@PauloCereda Coincidene? A few hours ago a friend told me he is typesetting the recipes of his wife.

@PauloCereda I once experimented with some packages from CTAN, but i wasn't really impressed. I guess it depends on what you are trying to achieve. I have a little notebook where i put any recipes and have that with me every day. So i there is no need for me to typeset recipes in LaTeX.

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B I was thinking of a very simple layout for me to typeset recipes. :)

Surely not advanced stuff. :)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright what's the policy on "different questions with the same technical answer" @egreg closed this one as dup but I have some sympathy with the OPs point that he would never have looked at the original question, which is why I'd answered this one... tex.stackexchange.com/questions/223543/…

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Tricky one

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle You can harvest the rep without any additional effort. :)

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda You can choose between listing the ingredients first, then all the processing steps. Or some kind of description environment \item [onion] chop \item [garlic] mince

Joseph Wright

09:49

@DavidCarlisle The 'official' line is duping is about questions not answers, though there is a presumption that in most cases this will also mean answers are not duplicated

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B Ah.

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda One of the packages provided little symbols for prep time and oven heat, but maybe symbols like that are included in fontawesome

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I guess I see the point here but perhaps the older question might be edited

David Carlisle

@JosephWright It doesn't matter much in any particular case (not really looking to change the status here) , just that it's come up before but the OPs comment on this one seemed particularly direct so I wondered...

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright There are quite a few on site.

David Carlisle

09:53

@JosephWright fixed some spelling typos in ltxdoc last night, no one commented on them for 20 years so I had to finally proof read my own text:(

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :-)

Johannes_B

I think the search terms are a bit too specific of most users. They are looking for Tikz code for a washing machine instead of combining a cube and an elliipse.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg: I heard that Palmeiras brought an attacker from Fiorentina named Ryder. Have you ever heard about him?

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Yes

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B If they are looking for a washing machine they don't want an ellipse (unless it is squashed) or tikz they want

\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
\begin{picture}(100,100)
\put(20,20){\framebox(40,40){}}
\put(40,40){\circle{20}}
\end{picture}
\end{document}

Joseph Wright

10:00

@DavidCarlisle I heard back from Will about UC encoding

David Carlisle

@JosephWright and?

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle You need to want some kind of ellipse if it is 3d :-p

Joseph Wright

> this option would work from a technical point of view.
My one reservation with it is what to do with packages and documents that currently call EU1 and EU2 — I guess there’s no reason they can’t stick around for the foreseeable future for compatibility purposes

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B latex4 will do 3d printing including working parts

@JosephWright yes and yes

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle I thought this would come wiith eTeX bingeling

David Carlisle

10:08

A good demonstration of my language powers:

theguardian.com/technology/video/2015/jan/16/…

Paulo Cereda

10:21

@yo': I edited a question of you, feel free to rollback. :)

egreg

11:14

@PauloCereda Never. :)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg :P

yo'

@JosephWright l3keys, section 1, paragraph .code:n Updated: 2013-07-10

@PauloCereda it's prbbbly fine :)

Paulo Cereda

<3

yo'

11:42

@PauloCereda I'll see. It all now depends on whether I get the post-doc or not.

Paulo Cereda

12:01

@yo' ooh.

yo'

a candidate for soon re-opening. Someone's got a close fever I think:

1

Q: LaTeX compiling very slow when internet is connected

LaTex compiler in my system taking unusual time to build pdf when connected to internet. But it is running normally when PC is not connected with internet. Mine is MiKTeX 2.9.5105, windows 32 bit version and Texmaker editor. My OS is Windows 8, 64 bit. I kept Windows defender and firewall off. ...

However, I can't find the question about MikTeX on-the-fly package installer and Windows permissions. Has anybody got the link?

Johannes_B

Little advertisement:

0

A: Change fontsize inside float in KOMA class

\changefontsizes is not really explained in the documentation, but is definitely in the experts section. So, hands off. The correct way to change the size is to use the interface \KOMAoption{fontsize}{11pt}. Or if you are feeling funny you can choose 10.999999 pt. KOMA will look for an existin...

yo'

@Johannes_B upvoted. Now, sushi time :) (and then some shopping)

Johannes_B

@yo Ooh, Sushi

yo'

@Johannes_B tons of reasonable sushi for low price :D

Johannes_B

12:15

@y Do you know german sushi?

yo'

@Johannes_B I think not?

Johannes_B

@yo' Mjam mjam

yo'

@Johannes_B maybe it's good, but the photo looks disguisting, I can't help it

is it a tartare steak?

Johannes_B

@yo' Usually 0.5 pork and 0.5 beef, along with some seasoning (salt, pepper, maybe marjoram).

yo'

@Johannes_B so it's cooked

Johannes_B

12:19

@yo' No. it is like tartare. not cooked.

yo'

@Johannes_B you EAT UNCOOKED PORK?!?!

Paulo Cereda

@yo': everything will be fine, you'll get the post-doc. <3

Johannes_B

@yo' :-) We germans are crazy ;-)

yo'

@PauloCereda I doubt it. These positions are so crowded

Paulo Cereda

@yo' all caps, italics and bold. This thing is real. o.O

@yo' But you deserve it. :)

I know pig in German: Das Bakon!

^^ Language skills

yo'

12:24

@Johannes_B well, not heating pork meat over something like 90C is really dangerous. The intestinal parasites are your close friends, right? ...

@PauloCereda so many people do deserve it

Johannes_B

@yo' We germans eat raw pork regulary. Thinking about it, i think it is completely pork. Hackepeter (as we call it) does not contain beef.

yo'

@Johannes_B well ok, thanks for keeping me informed. I know what not to do in Germany

Johannes_B

@yo' You are eating raw fish :-p

@yo' I couldn't do that if were putting a gun to my head.

yo'

@Johannes_B fish and beef are much much much safer than pork

Joseph Wright

@yo' OK, I spotted that one (not on p152 in my copy)

yo'

12:28

@JosephWright ah ok, doesn't matter, as long as it's corrected :) btw, going trhough the manual for the first time. It'll be a tough going with l3 for me I'm afraid.

Johannes_B

@yo' Poultry is the dangerous stuff ;-)

Mett

Mett is a preparation of minced raw pork that is popular in Germany. == Description == The name is derived from Low German mett for "chopped pork meat without bacon", or Old Saxon meti for "food". It is also known as Hackepeter (Northern Germany, Eastern Germany and Berlin). It consists of minced pork meat, normally sold or served seasoned with salt and black pepper, regionally also with garlic or caraway, and eaten raw. It is also permitted to add chopped onion, in which case it is known as Zwiebelmett (onion Mett). Legally, German Mett is not allowed to contain more than 35% fat. Unless...

yo'

@Johannes_B it's not "the dangerous stuff" because it's not the only dangerous stuff. It's "a dangerous stuff"

Johannes_B

@yo' Ok, you are right about that :-)

yo'

@PauloCereda my friend has just made the file dissertation.tex. It seems that this'll be handy now:

124

A: Cute (child-friendly) document in LaTeX

I made a humble attempt of a cute document with memoir and some Inkscape graphics. :) Please bear with me, after all, cuteness is in the eye of the beholder. :) Spoiler alert: ! Don't laugh at my duck, please. Jake and I were talking in the TeX and friends chatroom a few months ago about f...

Paulo Cereda

@yo' awwww <3

yo'

12:36

I really gotta go now. See you later!

Paulo Cereda

@yo' See ya, Tom! Take care, buddy!

yo'

@PauloCereda you too! I will :)

Paulo Cereda

14:03

@David: interview sent to barbara. :)

Christian Hupfer

Good maen

@PauloCereda: I have not typeset any recipe so far.... they are secrets, not to be printed somewhere :-P

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Do you like Mettbrötchen?

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: Nope... I hate them

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Rohes Fleisch, gibt doch nüscht bessres. ;-)

@ChristianHupfer 3 pm and all i ate today was a small muffin.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: Das wage ich zu bezweifeln :-P

@Johannes_B: Lol, I read 'coffin' ...

Paulo Cereda

14:09

@ChristianHupfer you are naughty. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: Me? Why?

Johannes_B

@paulo Are you interested in recipes with liver? :-)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: @Johannes_B is naughty... proposing recipes with liver ... our Hannibal Lecter ;-)

@Johannes_B: \gdef\JohannesB{HannibalLecter}

egreg

@ChristianHupfer Germany seems a dangerous place.

Christian Hupfer

@egreg: It is ;-)

Paulo Cereda

14:18

@Johannes_B :)

@ChristianHupfer I thought Hannibal were more interested in brains, not livers. :)

@egreg I wonder what happens whe Johannes goes to Liverpool. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: LOL

Johannes_B

14:35

@ChristianHupfer @PauloCereda @egreg I better not tell you that i just yesterday bought liver. Prepping it in a while.

egreg

@Johannes_B /me running away as fast as I can

Christian Hupfer

@egreg: Wait, I want to run with you!

s__C

15:08

Hi, could someone tell me if there is an equivalent of \DeclareMathVersion when fonts are loaded with fontspec?

erf forget about that...

egreg

@s__C You can define new versions with unicode-math.

s__C

yes yes

now found this link tex.stackexchange.com/questions/14996/…

but it'll be a pain to do that for an otf font...

Johannes_B

15:28

Today seems to be one of the days that people think calling up different workshops asking to find their socks is ok.

Johannes_B

15:51

@ChristianHupfer Do you understand this question?

0

Q: Does the \bibliograph command specify a \section*{} anywhere?

I'm using a class based off the scrartcl class. I need to include a bibliography entry in a section, but it displays it as having a * for the section title. If I use the command \section*{hello} in the document it displays as * hello, and similarly \section{Publications} \nocite{ref1} ...

bibtex bibliographies

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: Not really. I find it strange that section*{something} should type set something * ;-)

@Johannes_B: The OP talked of scrtartcl, but the MWE uses tccv class

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer If you want a numbered bibliography with KOMA-script, use the option i commented. I am not sure what the poor fellow is doing. It seems like he issues \section{pubs} and then whacks something dead.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: If it's a KOMA class then you're right ;-) ... IF

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer google.de/…

I'm using a class based off the scrartcl class.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: Oh man, perhaps one of those crappy templates?

Johannes_B

15:57

@ChristianHupfer I know this. Cloudy in the back of my head.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: Anyway... it's not on CTAN/TexLive and I won't download it just for testing purposes

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=24901

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: TUG membership 'competition' ends tonight...

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer The class file was full of deprecated font commands, Nicola updated based on my request.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: Nicola Talbot?

Johannes_B

16:03

@ChristianHupfer No, nicola fontana.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: Ah... that unknown Nicola (unknown to me) ;-)

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer You are fluent with tocs, right? Two murder mysteries: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/223606/… and tex.stackexchange.com/questions/223472/…

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: I don't like titlesec ... no answers from me for such a question

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Did you understand the question?

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: I have seen 'toc of toc` question yesterday already, but I have no time to attack it

Johannes_B

16:07

@ChristianHupfer I was starting working on a solution and realized after 5 mintes, that i don't understand what he asks for. I will not invest time in a solution for a problem that does not exist.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: No short titles in the Toc... I understand it as such

Johannes_B

16:19

@ChristianHupfer tex.stackexchange.com/a/223618/37907

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: Just seen it

@Johannes_B: And +1 ;-)

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Thanks :-)

@egreg headers?

Faheem Mitha

16:39

Hello, everyone. @egreg's answer (see following) works but is slow. Are optimization questions on topic here?

3

A: Automatically creating a table from datatool using references in the text

Maybe this is what you want: \begin{filecontents*}{\jobname.dat} Hammer001, Hammer, 1 , 0 , 1 , 10 , 1 , light (add some words here to wrap around) Hammer002, Hammer, 2 , 0 , 1 , 10 , 1 , heavy Hammer003, Hammer, 3 , 0 , 1 , 10 , 1 , really heavy Longsword001,Longsword,...

egreg

@Johannes_B I get both “Publications” and “References”.

Johannes_B

@egreg Sure, one entry for the numbered section Publications and another for the numbered section issued by \biliography

egreg

@Johannes_B Which the OP doesn't want; read the question where the attempt to \renewcommand{\refname}{} is mentioned.

Johannes_B

@egreg the option does issue an unstarred section. This is its nature.

@egreg The right way would be to \renewcommand{\refname}{Publications}

Christian Hupfer

I just detected that I can edit deleted questions by other users :-)

Johannes_B

16:44

@egreg I didn't change that because i thought the OP would be able to think two minutes ahead.

yo'

@Johannes_B \appto\LANGextras{\renewcommand{\refname}{Publications}} ;)

egreg

@Johannes_B You still get two rules.

Johannes_B

@yo' \providecaptionname{ngerman}{\refname}{Publikationen}`

yo'

@Johannes_B haven't seen that one before

Johannes_B

@egreg i don't

\documentclass[bibliography=totocnumbered]{tccv}
\renewcommand{\refname}{Publications}
\begin{document}
\nocite{companion}
\bibliographystyle{plain}
\bibliography{biblatex-examples}
\end{document}

egreg

16:52

@Johannes_B I still get the *

Christian Hupfer

@egreg, @Johannes_B: Different versions of tccv class?

Johannes_B

egreg

@ChristianHupfer Yes, different versions. The main site wasn't working, so I tried it from another place.

Johannes_B

@egreg Pics or didn't happen ;-)

tccv.cls 2014/18/05 v1.1 Two Column Curriculum Vitae

egreg

@Johannes_B The more recent version honors the options passed to the class, which the older version didn't.

Christian Hupfer

16:56

@egreg @Johannes_B: I am too lazy to download right now ....

Johannes_B

@egreg That explains einiges

I nearly lost my mind here.

egreg

@Johannes_B Your answer still is wrong, though. You have \section{Publications} and no \renewcommand{\refname}{Publications}, so the two headers do appear.

Johannes_B

@egreg It doesn't answer the question asked, but it provides a solution to cope with tccv. Can you explain yourself?

@egreg Same reason as @werner presented. It was the initial code.

egreg

@Johannes_B Try the code in your answer; no way it's acceptable. I'll downvote it soon. Please, don't force me to.

please stop stalking

If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? :-)

Johannes_B

17:03

@egreg Acceptable now?

egreg

@Johannes_B :) Still I think that suppressing \bib@heading is better and that KOMA-script should have an interface for it.

Johannes_B

@egreg It does?

egreg

@Johannes_B I don't think it has. But I can see cases where a bibliography has no header.

Johannes_B

@egreg Can you explain what you mean?

egreg

@Johannes_B I may want a bibliography listing without any header.

Johannes_B

17:09

@egreg Default

egreg

@Johannes_B The default is having \section*{\refname} or \section*{\bibname} depending on the class.

Johannes_B

@egreg Ah, completely without any header?

egreg

@Johannes_B Yes.

Johannes_B

@egreg I was stuck at writing the header to the toc, sorry.

egreg

@matheburg blame the author of xspace for the confusion. — David Carlisle 4 mins ago

Johannes_B

17:12

@egreg I can propose this to Markus.

egreg

@Johannes_B For instance, natbib uses \bibsection which the user can redefine (even locally). Also with biblatex it's easy, because it ignores the definition of thebibliography.

yo'

@egreg which can be problem and causes lots of incompatibilities

egreg

@yo' The main issue I see with biblatex now is that it doesn't allow to make a self-contained file for a submission.

yo'

@egreg yeah. This somehow relates to ignores thebibliography, the document and the biblio are completely mixed up.

egreg

@yo' It's the format of the created .bib file that's the problem. I see no problem in doing its own environment, which is very much customizable.

Johannes_B

17:23

@egreg If you don't write a header, would you still write the marks?

egreg

@Johannes_B Of course not.

Johannes_B

@egreg in an article with maybe five cites, this (no heading) could be useful. Or a horizontal line.

egreg

@Johannes_B That's the idea.

David Carlisle

@egreg I am sure you will

egreg

@DavidCarlisle That was the point in showing the comment here. ;-)

Stefan Kottwitz

17:47

@Johannes_B you got mail :-)

Johannes_B

17:58

@StefanKottwitz Do you have a suggestion for a title?

@StefanKottwitz texwelt.de/blog/golatex-ist-umgezogen Feel free to change the title. :-)

Stefan Kottwitz

@Johannes_B Is good, "Neues von g*" or so would be fine too

Johannes_B

@StefanKottwitz Neuigkeiten bei GoLaTeX?

Neuigkeiten von GoLaTeX?

Stefan Kottwitz

@Johannes_B Sounds fresh! bei is better

Johannes_B

@StefanKottwitz What happens to the url? Never wrote a blog entry so far.

Stefan Kottwitz

@Johannes_B we will see, but it can easily be edited, URLs with the important keywords are good

the aggregators such as planet.dante.de and example.net/community aren't so fast, they will take it soon with the url it has then

Johannes_B

18:06

@yo' The interface is provided by scrbase.

Stefan Kottwitz

and a hyperlink in the text would be good

Johannes_B

@StefanKottwitz To Golatex? Yeah, that could be useful :-)

@DavidCarlisle italic-correction ;-)

yo'

@Johannes_B ah ok

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B yes a tag edit seemed appropriate:)

Johannes_B

@yo' You can define a language sensitive name for actually a list of languages \providecaptionname{ngerman,german,austrian}{\refname}{Publikationen}. Can save quite some time.

@DavidCarlisle I can't remember, was eTeX bimmelim capable of correcting typos?

yo'

18:17

@Johannes_B i bet

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle:
*That is a question about the text editor in use. You can use any editor with TeX* ... rumours has that we even have W...-users amongst us :-P

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer I think that's the one @egreg uses

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle: No, @egreg uses his mind to transfer TeX to the disk ;-)

Faheem Mitha

Hello, everyone. @egreg's answer to tex.stackexchange.com/questions/153335 works but is slow. Are optimization questions on topic here?

egreg

@ChristianHupfer Heiko directly compiles in his mind.

Christian Hupfer

18:21

@egreg: Definitely!

@FaheemMitha: I can't give another answer, but what does slow mean? One second, two seconds?

Faheem Mitha

@ChristianHupfer Like 30, maybe.

i guess I should time it. One sec.

Christian Hupfer

@FaheemMitha: Oops... that's slow ... buy a faster machine ;-)

Faheem Mitha

@ChristianHupfer Not all my compilations are so slow. Mostly they take a second or two.

Johannes_B

@yo' btw: Still goes on :-) latex-community.org/forum/…

Faheem Mitha

real 0m11.114s
user 0m10.749s
sys 0m0.068s

Christian Hupfer

18:24

@FaheemMitha: As I saw @DavidCarlisle provided a solution too? What about that answer?

Faheem Mitha

My next try was 22 sec. Lot of variability there.

@ChristianHupfer That one does not work, as far as I know.

egreg's is fine aside from the speed issue.

Third time 22 sec again. Odd.

Yes, 3 out of 4 times is 22 sec.

Johannes_B

Heading home now, or i'll never get to eat my delicious liver. See you guys.

@yo' @egreg @ChristianHupfer I won't share with you :-p ^^^

egreg

@FaheemMitha datatool is slow

Faheem Mitha

@egreg Do you think that is the main reason?

egreg

@Johannes_B You'd like to share us. ;-)

@FaheemMitha Possibly.

Faheem Mitha

18:27

@egreg Ok.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: You can eat your 'delicious' liver all alone... I am not envious :D

@Johannes_B: Have a nice evening with... liver ;-)

Joseph Wright

19:03

@egreg Depends on your requirements, of course: I use it happily for various things

@egreg One of the areas I've got in mind is addressing databases for L3

Joseph Wright

19:14

@StefanKottwitz I take it you are withdrawing from the voting

yo'

@Paulo this is some setup :D i.sstatic.net/w2hBT.jpg

Stefan Kottwitz

@JosephWright yes, the next one would take it

going to the airport for flying home :-) see you

Joseph Wright

19:42

@StefanKottwitz OK

Joseph Wright

20:02

One hour of voting left

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright: Can't vote again ;-)

Joseph Wright

20:37

@DavidCarlisle Will seems happy about the encoding business

@DavidCarlisle That demo you sent out looks OK to me

David Carlisle

@JosephWright Yes I think we're converging slowly but there's a couple of changes I think I might suggest, will send mail...

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Cool

yo'

21:03

@JosephWright We seem to have the result

Joseph Wright

@yo' Yes, just writing it up know

yo'

azetina 29, Jubobs 29, cfr 28, Christian Hupfer 28, Werner 24, Yannis Lazarides 24, yo' 20, Sean Allred 20

Joseph Wright

@yo' No

yo'

@JosephWright that's what I see

Joseph Wright

@yo' At the close of voting there was a tie for the last place: Sean had 19, Thomas Strum had 19

yo'

21:09

@JosephWright ah ok

Christian Hupfer

@yo' @azetina @cfr @Werner @Jubobs @YiannisLazarides congratulations

yo'

@ChristianHupfer grats to you, too!

Christian Hupfer

@yo': Thanks ... I did not to 'win' a membership

yo'

Well, this year, I at least won't have to explain to my bank over the phone that "yes, I do want to make an online payment to this weird company."

Christian Hupfer

@yo': Microsoft? :-P

yo'

21:21

@ChristianHupfer TUG ;) or what do you mean?

well, last year, my French bank blocked a transaction (I'm not sure if for TUG or for Wiki) because it was suspicious. I got a letter 5 days later telling that if I want to make the transaction, I shall reply to the letter.

Joseph Wright

@yo' Really?

yo'

@JosephWright yes.

Joseph Wright

@yo' How odd

Christian Hupfer

@yo': I understood your joke ... I was on the Microsoft bashing trip....Well, I am always on that trip :-P

yo'

I have the letter somewhere, since I was in Prague and it arrived to my supervisor's place, he was scanning it for me

@JosephWright the Frenchies simply think that payment to the US = criminal act ;)

Christian Hupfer

21:27

I am answering somewhat trivial questions and get upvoted ... crazy

yo'

@ChristianHupfer not as crazy as stupid non-questions getting 100+ upvotes ;)

Christian Hupfer

@yo': Did that ever occur? Shocked ;-)

yo'

@ChristianHupfer do you want a list?

Christian Hupfer

@yo': Yes :-P Go on...

@JosephWright: We've got a new user named permanganate :D

Joseph Wright

@ChristianHupfer KMnO4?

yo'

21:33

@ChristianHupfer tex.stackexchange.com/questions/158668/… tex.stackexchange.com/questions/553/… tex.stackexchange.com/questions/134638 tex.stackexchange.com/questions/139873 tex.stackexchange.com/questions/34482 tex.stackexchange.com/questions/104248 (of course, it's just my opinion)

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright: Nope, without Potassium (that's K, isn't it?.. in Germany it's called Kalium)

yo'

(of course, it's just my opinion)

@ChristianHupfer Mn2O7? but that't the oxide, nor permanganicum

Joseph Wright

@ChristianHupfer Yes: in that case MnO_4{}^{-}

Christian Hupfer

permanganate

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bibliographies bibtex

@JosephWright: My knowledge of Chemistry has declined during the last years... I remember KMnO4 as a purple soup ruining clothes ;-)

Joseph Wright

@ChristianHupfer That's the one

cfr

21:36

@ChristianHupfer Actually, @JosephWright has missed me out of the list. (The 'top seven' names only includes six.)

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright: Yes ... I've done titration of something with something ... oh my

yo'

@ChristianHupfer we use it as a desinfectants at the camp

Christian Hupfer

@yo': Your kids drink it? :-P

Joseph Wright

@cfr Fixed

Christian Hupfer

@cfr: Blame @JosephWright :D

yo'

21:37

@ChristianHupfer no, clean their hands in it (in a very weak solution of course)

cfr

@JosephWright ;)

yo'

I've got some nice experience with it, you can make explosives using kalium permanganicum

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright: Is that healthy: Cleaning the hands with KMnO4?

Joseph Wright

@ChristianHupfer Mild solution yes

yo'

@ChristianHupfer yes. It's one of the standard procedures if you can't control how well the children wash their hands. This way is safe. If you use clean water and soap, you don't know whether they actually soap their hands. So we have this at the dry toilets, and everybody washes their hands with soap before every meal

Christian Hupfer

21:40

@yo': And by using KMnO4 you see purple stained ... kids

yo'

@ChristianHupfer if it's purple, it causes significant skin burns (I have some personal experience with this). It has to be very slightly pink (rosy)

the amount you use is about 5 crystals in 10 litres of water

cfr

@ChristianHupfer Llongyfarchiadau!! (& @Werner @azetina @Jubobs @yo' @YiannisLazarides & the disjunction).

3

Christian Hupfer

@yo': I dare say that this procedure would not be allowed in Germany... too 'dangerous'

@cfr: Thanks a lot (What's that in Welsh?)

yo'

@ChristianHupfer we have quite free hands in what we do. As well, I'm a certified camp paramedic, don't forget

Christian Hupfer

@yo': Actually I've forgotten :-( Sorry

cfr

21:44

@ChristianHupfer Just 'congratulations' from llon + cyfarchiadau (but the 'c' is subject to soft mutation and becomes 'g').

yo'

we of course can't do anything harmful, but we prepare the permanganicum solution ourselves, and then, permanganicum is much less dangerous than paracetamolum, for instance

cfr

@yo' paracetamolum?

yo'

@cfr Panadol? Nurofen?

Christian Hupfer

@cfr: Sorry for my strange question: How do you say 'Thank you very much' in Welsh language?

cfr

@yo' paracetemol? (= acetaminaphen)

@ChristianHupfer 'Diolch yn fawr'

Christian Hupfer

21:46

@yo' @cfr: ibuprofen :D

yo'

@cfr yes

Joseph Wright

@yo' Do you have to deal with the fact that KMnO4 is on the drug precursor list nowadays?

Christian Hupfer

@cfr: I knew it :-P

yo'

@ChristianHupfer no, that one is is different

cfr

@ChristianHupfer Very different...

yo'

21:47

@JosephWright "precursor" means what?

Joseph Wright

@yo' It's used in some routes to illegal materials, so at work we have to record use, etc.

cfr

@yo' Something you can make something out of, or something which can cause something.

yo'

@cfr @Chr Yes, the critical dose of ibuprofenum is quite larger than the one of paracetamolum

@JosephWright probably applies to large amounts. I get 2x5g and it's more than I need.

Joseph Wright

@yo' Has to be logged to the nearest 10g

yo'

@JosephWright maybe in the UK. I haven't had a problem so far... (or was to day correct?)

Joseph Wright

21:49

@yo' Europe-wide rules, but may be implemented differently in different places

yo'

@JosephWright may be

cfr

If I was a chemist, I'd have something to say when I have to make a speech about health & safety stuff on the first day of classes...

yo'

but it means I probably won't get hundreds of grams of it as easily as I used to 10 years ago...

cfr

How hard is it to write a new driver for biblatex? I'm fed up with the warnings I get for @image filling my console.

Joseph Wright

@cfr Not too bad

@cfr Ask Audrey if you get really stuck

yo'

21:52

@cfr something specific in mind?

cfr

@JosephWright Hmmm. If that is by your standards, it probably counts as 'impossible' by mine.

yo'

@cfr I lol'd. (I hope you don't mind)

Joseph Wright

@cfr Honestly, it's not too bad

cfr

@yo' I'm using a bib database of images so that when I use an image in course materials, I can use citations to reference the source. They vary a bit as to what information I've got, but author and/or organisation, title, sometimes a date etc. Only I've got 186 pages and I've managed to reduce the number of bad boxes to 1. But I've still got 72 warnings and most of them are complaints about the lack of a driver for @image.

yo'

@cfr ah, ok

cfr

21:54

@yo' Depends what you lol'd @.

@yo' Actually, it probably doesn't. Dim ots whichever.

yo'

@cfr at your judgement about the level of difficulty of the task :)

cfr

Dim ots = don't mind / not bothered.

@yo' These things are all relative.

yo'

@cfr indeed they are (I do know).

cfr

@yo' ;).

yo'

@cfr yeah a smiley with a zit ;)

cfr

21:58

Divers and multiply defined labels, which I'm not sure about. It says that the label '1' is multiply defined and the label '3'. Is that a side-effect of using pdfpages.

@yo' Is that what it means? :) if you prefer.

yo'

@cfr it's my childish soul trying to be creative

cfr

@yo' Ah. I've never been able to find my soul, myself, so I don't know whether it is childish or not.

yo'

@cfr my soul is childish in this sense: it switches between being childish and being adult whenever it wishes.

anyways, it's been a long week and I do need another good sleep. Moreover, I have to get up at a given time tomorrow. So good night!

cfr

@yo' Good night.

cfr

22:28

If anybody is around who uses the soul package, do you have any idea why \st would work fine in a document when compiled alone, but just put lines between the words when \input into a larger document?

egreg

@cfr MWE? Not that I'm using soul.

David Carlisle

@egreg I was going to say that:-)

crl

22:53

Hi, I'm not too familiar yet with latex, and I'm making my cv, could you tell me how I could change the color of section titles, I'm using rpi.edu/dept/arc/training/latex/resumes, and I guess it should be done in rpi.edu/dept/arc/training/latex/resumes/res.cls

cfr

@egreg Almost. Nothing to do with \input. If I use the rgb option with xcolor, \st doesn't work.

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[rgb,pdftex]{xcolor}
\usepackage{soul}
\setstcolor{red}
\begin{document}
\st{some text}
\end{document}

egreg

@cfr Well, you apparently have discovered that soul is not compatible with xcolor.

crl

% This is for sectiontitles that are entirely above the section text
%
\def\unboxed@sectiontitle#1{%
  \ifx\\\@tabcr % see boxed@sectiontitle for explation
    \@stopfield
   \else
     \@@par
  \fi
  \begingroup
  \everypar={}%
  \def\par{\@@par}%
  \def\\{ }
  \addpenalty{\@secpenalty}
  \addvspace{\sectionskip}
  \hbox to 0pt{\hss\hbox to \sectionwidth{\sectionfont#1\hss}}
  \addpenalty{-\@secpenalty} % this would be a bad place for a page break
  \endgroup
  \ifx\\\@tabcr   % see boxed@sectiontitle for explation

This ^ where could I add \textcolor or \color{something} ?

cfr

@egreg The documentation doesn't tell me that! Without rgb, it works. Is there a strike-through which is compatible with xcolor?

@egreg Never mind...

egreg

@cfr I think something about this has been discussed on the site.

@cfr Here it is

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Q: soul: broken highlighting with xcolor when using \selectcolormodel

I try to highlight text using the soul package. But I experience problems if I use it in combinations with the xcolor command selectcolormodel, only spaces are highlighted as shown in the MWE: \documentclass{standalone} \usepackage{xcolor} \selectcolormodel{rgb} \usepackage{soul} \begin{docume...

color highlighting soul

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{soul}
\usepackage[rgb]{xcolor}
\usepackage{etoolbox}
\makeatletter
\patchcmd{\SOUL@ulunderline}{\dimen@}{\SOUL@dimen}{}{}
\patchcmd{\SOUL@ulunderline}{\dimen@}{\SOUL@dimen}{}{}
\patchcmd{\SOUL@ulunderline}{\dimen@}{\SOUL@dimen}{}{}
\newdimen\SOUL@dimen
\makeatother
\setstcolor{red}
\begin{document}
\st{some text}
\end{document}

Joseph Wright

23:37

@GonzaloMedina, @Johannes_B texdev.net/2015/01/17/latex2e-and-unicode-engines-the-detail

Paulo Cereda

@cfr: you are in the lead. :)

egreg

@JosephWright Do the changes imply that running xelatex on a normal pdflatex document won't work?

cfr

23:56

@egreg Thanks. Sorry. I should have said more than just 'Never mind...'. I found Ulrike Fischer's answer. Then I found page 12 of xcolor's manual and discovered that I could fix it in one line (also from that answer). Then I decided I didn't like it anyway and faked it using tikzmark. Apologies for putting you to unnecessary trouble.

@PauloCereda ??

Paulo Cereda

@cfr the TUG membership. :)

cfr

@PauloCereda No I'm not. 4th.

Paulo Cereda

@cfr Really? Oh no!

cfr

@PauloCereda ??

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