@tohecz Thanks, I'll try to.

Anybody use MiKTeX?

tex.stackexchange.com/questions/215739/… could do with some help from somebody who can convert my instructions from TeX Live.

garamondx is nasty :(.

@cfr I use miktex but without any extra work it is working for me. I have added a picture in the comment to the question already. So.... :)

@HarishKumar Yes. I can't work out what is happening in the MiKTeX case. In the TeX Live case, I can see exactly what happened and why things are going wrong. But I'm not sure about MiKTeX...

Good maen

@ChristianHupfer hi! Sorry, I slept late, so I gotta go really soon

@tohecz: Yes?

@ChristianHupfer the service is at 11

@tohecz: Which service?

Hi

I have a question and I am sorry if it is a little stupid... but it is something that crowded my mind about latex...

When you want to typeset something in latex

do you look for the easiest way to do your typesetting, or you look for a fundamental way to typeset?

as an instance, look at this question:

I posted an easy answer to the question

and another user posted a very difficult (at least for beginner user) by means of packages

which approach do you usually have when doing typesetting in latex?

Videos on the way to Vimeo: just need to get them converted

@PauloCereda iMovie has done its job for another year :-)

@DavidCarlisle Warning: I'm going to publicise the UK-TUG videos later today!

@EnthusiasticStudent yes but you have to qualify "easiest" we ask people to make minimal examples for the site, but it's unlikely the OP just wanted a single month. If you lay the calendar out using explicit day/number assignments then it may look sort of reasonable if you jut set one month but of you do a year it looks tiresome, and if you want a macro that takes a date argument and sets that month, it doesn't really help.

@EnthusiasticStudent that doesn't mean you have to use tikz rather than tabular to lay out the calendar but probably does mean the answer should include date arithmetic to work out what day of the week each calendar day falls on.

@EnthusiasticStudent \\ \noindent don't use \noindent after \\

@DavidCarlisle That one definitely get's tagged [wut?] and [TeXotic] in my catalogue! :-)

@JosephWright The l3build file permissions elephant may have re-entered the building. Does the LaTeX3 team build under Windows for uploading, at all?

@Brent.Longborough Yes

@JosephWright Ah! I have a curious problem, which may be due to cygwin or incompetence. Petra has just tested a zip file for me, produced by l3build, and all the file permissions are zero, which is, clearly, bad if true.

@JosephWright I'll explain all this in a new issue shortly.

@Brent.Longborough I don't use Cygwin so will need @DavidCarlisle to test anything in that area

@JosephWright I'll explain carefully what we need to do to distinguish between my incompetence and a true problem in the issue.

@Brent.Longborough Fine: I'm currently firing up my Windows system to check what I see

@JosephWright If you'd care to send me a test archive, I can have a look at how the bits differ from mine. Looking at stuff with cygwin, Windows COPY appears not to copy any non-dos permission bits.

@Brent.Longborough Nor should it

@Brent.Longborough Cygwin is a tricky case as it's neither one thing nor the other

@JosephWright Maybe!? :-)

@JosephWright That's true, although the archive Petra tested for me was built with "Pure Windows" (TM)

@Brent.Longborough Ill take a look, as I say

@JosephWright OK.

@JosephWright I'll also try a bit of hacking to see if I can get l3build to detect and use Cygwin utilities, but I know there'll be path separator issues (at least).

@Brent.Longborough as @JosephWright said I can probably test cygwin stuff if I know what I'm testing:-)

@DavidCarlisle Thanks, David, I need to do some stuff to get my ideas together first (as usual); if I get to where I need your help, I'll be in touch.

@JosephWright Yay!

Videos online: vimeo.com/113834342 and vimeo.com/113830623

@JosephWright Hmm, tried treating Cygwin as a Unix environment; failed miserably and gave up.

@Brent.Longborough Popping out for a bit, then will look at it

'Ello!

@Iplodman Hi

How are you? ;)

@JosephWright I saw you worked on the list. Just started to look at it.

@Iplodman Fine, thanks. And you?

@Johannes_B Did some of it

@Johannes_B Good. Working on an Android app at the moment.

@JosephWright Some of them are actually answerable, but one needs a bit of psychic powers. Or keep the answer generic.

@Iplodman My mobile phones is quite old. It says 3.2 megapixel on the back.

@Johannes_B My Note 3 has 13 megapixels ;P

@Johannes_B That's till only half as much as the new iPhones.

@Iplodman Just noticed, my mobile isn't that old. It was announced in 2009.

@Johannes_B Oh yeah? What device is it?

@Iplodman Noika 6730

@Johannes_B Whatever works for you! ;D

Personally, I like to be able to code on my phone.

@Iplodman I can hardly write short texts with that thing. But it is ok for me. The camera bugs me, tough. Every once in a while i have to transfer a pic to the laptoop. using bluetooth. Yay.

@Johannes_B I'd recommend something cheap with a touchscreen if you have trouble with it. You can get a cheap Android phone for about £30.

@Iplodman But it is still working. And since the pictures are for business reasons, they can get my a new phone if they like.

@Johannes_B Sounds like a good setup to me.

@Iplodman Christmas is also coming soon.

@Johannes_B So it is! I can't wait ;P

@Iplodman Not me, i hate all this troouble and faked happiness.

Faked happiness?

Is it not possible that people enjoy things?

@Iplodman For me the whole christmas thing (the commercial behind it) makes it faked. At this time of year, the people want to be happy, want to make others happy, want to ...

@Iplodman I think, if they would distribute all that christmas energy over the whole year, life would be better the whole year.

@Johannes_B Even though I'm not religious, I still enjoy the festivity.

And a smile can be much more worth than any monetary happiness.

@Johannes_B I don't think that it's faked.

@Johannes_B I agree.

@Iplodman What would you like more, a christmas gift by your partner on christmas eve/morning or rather, when you have no clue at all, your partner says »I brought your favourite cake«

@Johannes_B Spontaneously, of course.

What's your point?

@Iplodman See ;-) In my point of view, you cannot be as happy about something expected.

@Johannes_B I get that, but Christmas is about giving.

But if I make something like brownies any other time of year, I'll share them with someone (and those are hella' nice brownies).

@Iplodman Why not giving little pieces all year?

@Johannes_B I do. If I bake, whatever the time, I'll share some.

A brownie here, some shortbread there.

@Iplodman I am starting to get hungry.

;P

@Iplodman Most delicious: marthastewart.com/355858/carrot-mashed-potatoes

Try it with en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frikadeller

These are great: recipes.cadbury.co.uk/HomeCategory/RecipeDetails?r=47055

If you cook them for a little less they go all gooey :o

@ChristianHupfer church service

@Iplodman Looks yummy.

@Johannes_B They are ;D

@Brent.Longborough Re the Cygwin business. When you made your zip file, exactly what did you do? For me, Info-ZIP on Windows sets files as (Unix) 600, one of two possible perfectly reasonable ways of mapping FAT to Unix permissions.

@Brent.Longborough I wonder if the problem is something to do with the settings Cygwin sets up in Info-ZIP for compressing files, perhaps ones outside of the Cygwin root

@Brent.Longborough I checked unzipping a fille made on Windows (600 permissions) and these come on on my Mac as 644: the zip file 'knows' the source was FAT so I guess the extract stage makes the adjustment.

@DavidCarlisle Could you check what the Cygwin command-line zip does in terms of file permissions (I'm not installing Cygwin to test this!)

@JosephWright yes (once I reprogram my brain from javascript/mathjax hacking:-) do you mean in general or specifically in l3build?

@DavidCarlisle Generally: we after all do nothing special

@JosephWright well OK although there is a difference in how the files were created, if they were created by a cygwin application (including cygwin texlua, or cygwin cp etc) then they will have unix style permissions when created and cygwin will see those, if the file is generated by a windows application cygwin has to do some mapping to unix style permissions from what it gets from windows (or at least that's how I think it works, will test...)

@DavidCarlisle I was thinking specifically 'normal' Windows files zipped using the Cygwin Info-ZIP exec. As I said, using the 'normal' version of Info-ZIP I get sane permissions

@JosephWright well i sent some mail...

@DavidCarlisle Indeed

@DavidCarlisle Unzips exactly as you expect if I use either the Mac of Windows (GOW) version of unzip

@DavidCarlisle Zip contents I note marked as Unix not FAT

@JosephWright in light of the comment above let me see if I have some files not generated by cygwin (there must be some..)

@DavidCarlisle Just make one using e.g. Notepad?

@JosephWright is that some sort of emacs clone?

@DavidCarlisle No

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@JosephWright zipped notepad output sent (a bit more paranoid than my usual settings)

@DavidCarlisle Thanks for testing

@JosephWright @Brent is a dangerous species, the system recognized it and took an action! :p

@MartinSchröder Certainly the concept has come up before

@JosephWright Indeed. It's a typical problem. I spend some time looking for a better question but couldn't find one.

I do not like \land for logical and, in math mode, it shows as ^. I'd like to use && instead. How can I use && inside math mode, while I am in array environment? Since & is used for tabbing. I googled a little but not finding anything, thought to check. I can post question on main board if needed.

@Nasser Good solution: \renewcommand*\land{\mathbin{\&\&}}

@tohecz thanks,. Will try it now!

@tohecz Good TeXnical solution. Very poor typographically and mathematically.

@egreg I don't argue

@egreg ad "mathematically": Whatever you clearly define and use consistently is ok. Maybe not perfect, but surely not a disaster.

@tohecz Never seen && in math. In programming, perhaps.

@egreg yep, and it depends on where you are on the scale: Theoretical mathematician -- Code tester in a car making company.

@tohecz it works, but does not look too good for some reason, here is screen shot

I need to work on it more to see if I can align things around it better

@Nasser you get what you look for. Try to switch to \newcommand*\land{\ \mathord{\&}\ }

but rather don't call it \land there because it is not.

@Nasser \land is a binary operator used in logic. You're trying to use it as an informal connective, which is wrong. I'd simply use \quad\text{and}\quad.

@Nasser Symbol abuse is common with inexperienced mathematician. And also with experienced ones who like to obfuscate their writing.

@egreg thanks everyone, I ended up using the "and", it looks best

I just made the "and" bold to make it more clear

\renewcommand*\land{ \quad\text{\bfseries{and}}\quad }

@Nasser why not align them? (or use 3dp in all cases)

@DavidCarlisle yes, I am working on alignment. This is Mathematica Latex code generated, so need to edit it by hand and copy it to my Latex document to clean it up a little.

@Nasser well mathematica use use 3 decimal places, then alignment would be automatic

@DavidCarlisle , Mathematica generated array, like this:

@Nasser Second condition is not changing anyways.

Also you can set the float precision, what @DavidCarlisle says

So I copy the above to my latex file, and edit it. As you can see, there is no alignment in the middle, so have to do it by hand.

@Nasser Ive not used mathematica for a decade or so but any numeric software can control the format for real numbers and print to a specified number of places,

@Nasser the lower bound of q1 and the range of q2 seems fixed so why print them every line?

David, controlling decimal points is possible, but for printing inside Mathematica. Sure. But I am using Latex export, which means Mathematica uses the actual numerical data in the variable. I am not printing here, just exporting to Latex. But no problem, easy to work around.

@Nasser I refuse to believe you can't control the numeric precision there.