TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2014-11-26 (page 1 of 2)

tohecz

00:00

and what I really hate is that no matter they're church songs, you have to sort out the copyrights before publishing these (since it's derived works)

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz I will be happy to look at anything you send. :)

tohecz

@AndrewCashner ok, but this one is without a recording (since I haven't managed to make one without typos yet): tohe.wz.cz/www/evang/Sv37_Cest_dej_140811.pdf

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz Agreed! I don't necessarily think all music should be free, BUT I think in church music, the music functions as a tool much the same way software does. Everybody needs to modify it to fit their circumstances, make copies for the choir, transpose keys, etc. If we had open source licenses and a more user friendly version of lilypond a la LaTeX with templates, this would be much easier.

tohecz

@AndrewCashner however, I've spoken to the author of some of the songs I arranged (including the 2nd one I sent you, Sv37) after one his concert and he told me: "Are you crazy? All my music should be spread and played since I made it for the God to like it! Sure you HAVE TO publish it!" I love that guy even more since then :)

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz Great. So you got a verbal CC-BY license from him!

tohecz

00:05

@AndrewCashner I've got a written one, too, actually, in a mail

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz This one is bluesy

tohecz

but now I arranged a song by a really good musician who has a band and stuff, so I'm in the phase of collecting courage to ask him for a permission to publish it

@AndrewCashner well, the song is usually played quite fast and sharp, so it's more like rock than blues :) (whence all the 6ths)

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz The E natural/Esharp blue notes, minor sevenths, etc. are what I meant. If I meant this for others to play here in US I would probably notate it in 4/4 or 2/2 (just more bar lines, amateur keyboardists here get nervous otherwise). I like the feel a lot.

@tohecz The music director I work with speaks Czech; do you mind if I share these?

tohecz

@AndrewCashner I love the song, and it's one of those that are tough to play on a guitar

@AndrewCashner well, the 2nd one has not been published yet, but you can send them to him for sure. (There is a reason why I timestamp all my sheets)

the problem is that this one would use a good preludium, and I haven't got the time to make it. (I've got the idea, though, and there'll be two of them: a long one and a short one)

@AndrewCashner can I just ask you: you've tried to play it?

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz Yes, I actually have the computer desk on one side and the piano on the other, I just swivel back and forth. The room is very cramped but it's fun for me.

@tohecz I mean in front and behind.

tohecz

00:15

@AndrewCashner that sounds familiar :)

I have two chairs, but it's like 80 cm from one to the other one

what fingering do you use in bar 3 for the 2nd chord in R.H.?

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz It got this way after I gave up my office to my baby daughter. Which means I can't play all that much at home, but it's worth it obviously.

tohecz

@AndrewCashner you've got a string piano or an electronic one?

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz bottom to top: 1-1 2 3 4 5 . You could put a little bracket next to the bottom two notes as a hint but it would probably take three pages of Scheme code.

@tohecz A five foot Baldwin grand from 1920. It's for sale (reasons above) if you're interested ;)

tohecz

@AndrewCashner well, it's only 5 notes, so I take as that you play 11235 ;)

@AndrewCashner I don't really like this hints if they're not really necessary

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz Yes that's what I meant.

@tohecz I don't think it's needed. That is one thing about Lilypond--some of the things that are hard to do, you don't really need to do after you think about it.

tohecz

00:18

@AndrewCashner yep, exactly

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn There was a grammar question but then I had to step out as things turned to music (or Greek or something, not sure:-)

tohecz

it misses some accents written down, namely notes 3,4,7,8 in L.H. bar 5

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz I really like the last two beats of bar four, where you have the blue note E natural against the other blue note D natural, and both resolve down stepwise to the C# - E

tohecz

and ad 2/2 or 4/4 measure: it's orginally in 4/4 halved, but it's impossible to read it with all the 16ths. So I doubled the notes to make it easier to follow.

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz That was a good choice. Personally I would keep all the note values as you have them, but write 2/2 as the meter and insert bar lines every four quarters.

tohecz

00:24

@AndrewCashner well, yes, it would make sense. I may consider it still, that's one change in the code

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz +1 more for lilypond

tohecz

what I really hate is how difficult it is to write down syncopations.

@AndrewCashner Well, one last example and I gotta go: PDF: tohe.wz.cz/www/evang/Sv207_Pokuseni_sv_Antonina_140809.pdf MP3: tohe.wz.cz/www/evang/Sv207_Pokuseni_sv_Antonina_140809.mp3

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz Oh that's the other thing. I like the way you write them, without a lot of ties, but amateurs I know prefer to be able to see where every beat is. So bar 13 would be 4 4 4 4 4 8 8( 4.) 8(

tohecz

@AndrewCashner yes, and I'll go mad in the LH. No way. I mean, if there's was one or two of them, I'd write them out (because they would be unexpected), but in a piece full of them, you have to get used to them.

@tohecz ^^ this one is a melancholic / depressive song @And

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz Oh I was playing it in a jazzy tempo, not knowing the words.

tohecz

00:33

@AndrewCashner it's actually quite fast, but the feeling should be like jumping off a bridge :D

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz Okay that makes perfect sense actually. I really like this one. The intro is interesting, the Refrain part sounds a bit like an American spiritual but the verse sounds distinctively Czech to me. We just performed some Dvorak songs at my church two weeks ago, psalm settings.

tohecz

@AndrewCashner lol

well, the song is contrasting: the refrain is a lot different from the verses

the verses are like if you read the most pessimistic newspaper in the world, and the refrain is like a nighmare you get from it when you try to sleep afterwards

@AndrewCashner and it's cool that you play Dvorak at the church. We don't really :(

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz that's hilarious. (If you take out the A in the last chord left hand of bar 13 then you avoid parallel fifths and it sounds a bit more fluid with the left hand voices moving into the B chord.)

tohecz

@AndrewCashner but then it doesn't sound Czech enough :P /bad joke really

I think that actually in one version it was <c g'> <d fis> <dis fis>

oh I see now that the chord names are missing in this version!

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz There are times for parallel fifths but I like to avoid them most of the time, not to follow a rule but because there is usually a more elegant solution. Don't know what the LaTeX analogue is, maybe \bf or using \def when you don't need to, too crude and breaks things. I much prefer the version you just stated---no doublings.

tohecz

00:41

@AndrewCashner you really prefer the version without the tonal note of B in bass?

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz I like it. It's striking and fits with your description of this section as not being totally grounded in reality. That said if I was playing this I would probably automatically add a <b2, b2> on beat 4 just to cue the next section. (If it was for congregation). Kind of a delayed arrival.

tohecz

@AndrewCashner well, I play it with a cresendo on the tenor voice (b a b a)

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz Also it's a nice counterbalance to the previous phrase which ended on D natural. Forget what I said about adding the octave Bs. It's unnecessary. This is a cool piece.

tohecz

@AndrewCashner well, that is the nice cool guy's piece whom I spoke about before with the copyright

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz I have to go or I will be crushed by impending deadlines. Let's do this more, not necessarily in chat if we're bothering @DavidCarlisle and taking away from the more Tex-related conversation on beer

tohecz

00:49

@AndrewCashner don't worry, music is better than cricket ;) @Dav @Pau

and thanks for the suggestions!

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz Like I said, it is nice not to be just making stuff up like I usually do on here.

tohecz

@AndrewCashner lol

Sean Allred

01:51

@cfr So much hate… XD

cfr

02:46

@SeanAllred Really? I quite like OS X. I may not have used it in an altogether standard fashion, but I'm a refugee primarily because of (1) economic considerations and (b) Apple's attitude to free software. Not because of OS X. But Apple do have a tendency to decide that something is a 'feature' despite the rest of the world considering it a 'bug', and their responses to bug reports leave an enormous amount to be desired.

(I'm assuming the comment referred to OS X. If it was Windows, you'd be right although I try to be especially careful what I say about Windows for precisely that reason.)

(If it was something else, I have no idea...)

But I do detest brussel sprouts quite passionately.

Sean Allred

@cfr Brussel sprouts are fantastic – I don't know what you're talking about (really though – I love them :)) And I can understand staying away from it for all of those reasons. Apple has gotten less and less friendly to its developers – interestingly, inversely correlated to how many they have working on their platform…

They have also unfortunately acted as you say as well – touting bugs as features (spaces with multiple monitors, anyone?) – but I'm starting to see that across the board :( it's unsettling

cfr

03:23

@SeanAllred My advisor objected to an example I used on the grounds that brussel sprouts were acceptable when pickled. But eventually I proved that the person referenced in the example agreed with me and the use of brussel sprouts made it into my dissertation unmodified ;).

I think it is a great shame about Apple. OS X was really exciting when I started using it. (Even if it did take me literally years to compile a working version of GIMP.) But it started to feel restrictive - I didn't like the moves to curtail users freedom, or there response to conflicts between e.g. the GPL and App Store policies. And, well, GNU/Linux is not a bad place to be an asylum seeker!

Sean Allred

@cfr :) I've been thinking about installing Arch side-by-side with OSX for quite some time. I'm just a little skiddish about it – I've never dual-booted before (at least, not from a single physical disk)

cfr

'their' not 'there'... I was disgusted when they started charging for development tools. (Not much but it was the idea which I objected to. I had felt that was a real difference.)

Sean Allred

Exactly

We are taking our time to make your platform better – why charge us for it?? sheesh.

cfr

I have dual booted from a single disk on a Mac but not with Arch. Debian.

Actually, that was my first install of GNU/Linux. I guess you have used it a bit since you are considering Arch. (I have Arch on my laptop now.)

Especially since the heart of the development tools are GPL GNU stuff anyway. (Compilers etc.) I think they could have done a lot more to work with the free software community and I think they should have given that OS X is built on their work!

Sean Allred

You said it best – it's a real shame.

I've used Linux a bit – I work on a RHEL box at work and I've done a lot of development on Raspberry Pis. It'll be an adventure :)

Nick

04:12

@SeanAllred Raspberry Pies... sounds delicious. Can I have some?

Sean Allred

@Nick mine, all mine! :)

Nick

@SeanAllred How expensive is the cheapest one?

Sean Allred

About fifteen bucks, last I checked. IIRC, that's around ten euro

Nick

@SeanAllred and what's the coolest thing that you've done with it?

Sean Allred

@Nick I didn't choose the name XD twitter.com/hydroFishAqua82

The other great project used an arduino – it was an automated catapult

Worst design ever. (Really bad and really pompous, self-important group partner.)

Nick

04:20

@SeanAllred Your plants have a robot butler? ... Wow, this is so not 1980 anymore.

Sean Allred

@Nick ;)

Nick

@SeanAllred Cool. Hopefully you've launched some birds at some pigs, if you catch my drift.

Sean Allred

@Nick I have indeed, in my day

Nick

@SeanAllred Bad designers who say their work is masterpiece... they're everywhere.

Sean Allred

?

Nick

04:24

@SeanAllred So, for what class did you make the catapult for?

Sean Allred

@Nick Small-scale computing

The closest thing my uni had to computer engineering / electrical engineering / electronics

and it was a one-time, experimental course offered by request XD

good night, all :)

Nick

Well, that sounds like a once in a lifetime opportunity.

@SeanAllred Night Night. Don't let the Arduinos bite.

Dang, I just made another error I don't know how to resolve.

I'm trying to make a quote here and I wanted the first letter to be capitalized in a different font.

when I use $\mathcal T$, it compiles all all right but what's the problem with $\mathfrak T$?

or can I change the font for just one letter in a more standard way.

Adam Liter

04:42

@Nick Have you loaded amsfonts?

Nick

06:52

@AdamLiter ah, no. Sorry. Thanks for telling me.

Johannes_B

07:55

@Nick Make sure to use a blank lline to indicate a new paragraph.

@Nick article classes have extra abstract environments.

Nick

08:20

@Johannes_B Is this because I'm using things like \\[0.5cm] ?

Johannes_B

@Nick Use backticks ` at the beginning and end of words to mark them as code. It's the same on the main page.

`\\`

@Nick Unless you absolutely know why you are using a \newline with a space, and what it does internally, don't use it.

David Carlisle

@Nick don't:-)

Johannes_B

59

Q: When to use \par and when \\

What is the difference between \par and \\ and when should I use \par instead of \\?

David Carlisle

@Nick it should be \mathcal{T} with braces but also they're math fonts not really designed for initials (although obviously you can sort of get away with it a bit)

Nick

08:47

@Johannes_B So, I should use \newline instead of `\ \`and I should always leave a line before beginning a new paragraph?

Johannes_B

If you want to start a new paragraph, you should simply use a blank line.

See, a new paragraph, because there is a new line above. No need for anything else. If you want to have a vertical space between the paragraphs, tell us your document class.

@Nick ^ ^ ^^^

Paulo Cereda

@David: is your talk ready?

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda I've got one I'm happy with and one I'm not!

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Uh-oh. :) Mine is ready, but there's a lot of features to cover. I'll just focus on 3 or 4. I'm not that happy with my talk. :(

Jasper Loy

09:10

Hi @JosephWright @PauloCereda quack!

After thinking for many years, I have finally decided to buy 'More Math into LaTeX' and 'PSTricks'. I think I won't change my mind this time, lol.

Paulo Cereda

@JasperLoy Hi Jasper! Long time no see! Quaaack!

@JasperLoy Are you sure? :)

Nick

@PauloCereda He's very sure.

Jasper Loy

But I don't have time to read them now, so I will only buy them when I am going to read them, so that I get the latest edition.

Paulo Cereda

@JasperLoy I think it's better to buy now, otherwise you will change your mind. :P

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda It's as prepared as my chat here.

@Nick no you should almost never need \newline

Nick

09:25

@DavidCarlisle Yeah, I read through some stuff. I feel like Alice falling down a LaTeX hole. I'm uncovering so much Mad Hatter business.

David Carlisle

@Nick she does get out, in the end

Paulo Cereda

@David: will there be snacks in Oxford? :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda @JosephWright knows these things but there was last year. We can set up a webcam so you can watch and not have any.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle LOL

@David: will there be Marmite?

Nick

@DavidCarlisle ... and then goes right back in to slay a jabberwocky.

David Carlisle

09:45

@Nick or Word user, as we call them here

@PauloCereda no

Johannes_B

@Nick ctan.org/pkg/l2tabu

Paulo Cereda

10:05

Guys, dumb question: in Knuth's TeX, I can only perform integer arithmetic through counters?

\newcount\aa\aa20\relax\advance\aa -1\relax\number\aa

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda more or less (you could implement logic in macros, the wonders of Turing completeness)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle That was my one of my plans. :)

David: speaking of Turing, The Imitation Game will hit the movies next week, I guess.

David Carlisle

@egreg's at 333,297 is he going to downvote me to get back in sync I wonder...

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda If you don't need it to be expandable that's by far the easiest way

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Ah!

David Carlisle

10:18

@PauloCereda otherwise if \a and \b are macros with integers \romannumeral\a000 \romannumeral\b000 is a+b m's (by expansion) then all you need to do is count them expandably and you have a+b

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh!

I decided to go back to the roots. This time, gentlemen, I'll tackle The TeXbook!

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda just start with appendix D

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I was thinking char-by-char and using \if, but there we go :-)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright one of the few useful things the romans have done for us

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle I studied unary mathematics with FSM's last trimester. I don't fear anything anymore. :P

David Carlisle

10:42

@JosephWright do we have an existing variable for a catcode 12 } or do you have to use \edef\zz..\string{ suitably hidden with _ and : (current expl3 question)

tohecz

10:56

@DavidCarlisle he could accept three answers :D

David Carlisle

11:09

@tohecz oh does that work? never tried that.

tohecz

@DavidCarlisle gives you +2 ;)

David Carlisle

@tohecz well he's already at 333387 perhaps he'll find out how to ask questions before it's needed for 444444

tohecz

@DavidCarlisle too bad for him :( :D

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz First TeX world problems. :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda :)

btw, can someone explain me why are good keyboards so expensive? :(

Paulo Cereda

11:15

@tohecz Computer keyboards?

tohecz

@PauloCereda no. Korg, Roland and stuff

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Ah indeed. :(

Specially in Brazil.

tohecz

@PauloCereda well, here as well (not that bad tho). The price in EUR is usually slightly larger than the price in USD, but remember that USD is only 0.80 EUR :( and when converting from EUR to CZK, you usually add more 10%

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz I think it depends on the model.

tohecz

@PauloCereda what do you mean?

Paulo Cereda

11:18

@tohecz Keyboard series/model.

tohecz

@PauloCereda well, the pricing scheme is the same for moreorless everything

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Indeed. Which brand is the most expensive?

tohecz

@PauloCereda all of them can be over 4000 EUR if you wish. But my dream model is at ~1000

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz ooh which one?

tohecz

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Joseph Wright

11:20

@DavidCarlisle In the 'more experimental' code in l3str you'll find

\str_const:Nx \c_backslash_str { \cs_to_str:N \\ }
\str_const:Nx \c_left_brace_str  { \cs_to_str:N \{ }
\str_const:Nx \c_right_brace_str { \cs_to_str:N \} }
\str_const:Nx \c_hash_str      { \cs_to_str:N \# }
\str_const:Nx \c_tilde_str     { \cs_to_str:N \~ }
\str_const:Nx \c_percent_str   { \cs_to_str:N \% }

You may remember I asked about the entire 'do we want/need a str data tupe` question partly for this reason

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz How nice! Is there a 88-key version?

tohecz

@PauloCereda yep, but that one has a WH keyboard, I would like to have something with a SWH. You can get the 73 though, which is SWH too

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Nice. I have 4 pianos now. A Roland and an Yamaha with full weighted keys, and a Kurzweil and M-audio with semi-weighted keys. Personally I like the full weighted ones, but they are very heavy. :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda that's one point, too

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz I have this M-Audio, which has smaller keys. It's insanely light, I think I can carry with just one hand. My Roland, on the other side, I cannot carry it by myself.

tohecz

11:25

@PauloCereda What I love are the weights: 7.2kg for 61 keys, 8.2kg for 73 keys, 14.7 for 88 keys

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Wow, pretty light!

tohecz

@PauloCereda you can really take it with you to every rehearsal. They sell a backpack for them as well

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Indeed!

@tohecz Yay backpacks!

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle We probably either need a str type or a convention for a (small) set of such constant useful chars (we could use just \c_foo_str in the same was \c_one is clearly an int but lacks _int at the end).

tohecz

@PauloCereda :)

@PauloCereda and at home, I could use the two as an ultimate 2-manual organ :D

David Carlisle

11:30

@JosephWright but he probably wants to use it for grouping anyway...

tohecz

@DavidCarlisle otherwise he would have used \}

EUR 1195 for the 73 variant, plus you need some pedals, stands and stuff, so it'd be like EUR 1600 in the end :(

gotta go meet with my sister soon :)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Probably: just observing that we should look at this again

@DavidCarlisle I ask these things, we get no firm decisions :-)

@DavidCarlisle Even Bruno's clever gtl won't help with grouping

tohecz

see you later, @Paulo :)

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz See ya, Tom! Have a nice day!

egreg

11:51

@DavidCarlisle Too late: I had to lecture. :(

Mario S. E.

13:40

Hello every one

long time no see :)

Johannes_B

Hi @mario

Joseph Wright

@MarioS.E. Hello

Mario S. E.

@Johannes_B I think we have never meet, I'm Mario, I live in Porto and I'm a biomedical engineer

@JosephWright Hi Joseph!

Johannes_B

@mario I am Johannes, i live in Freiberg/Germany and i do materials science.

Mario S. E.

@Johannes_B I have always wanted to go there! Unfortunately I've only been in Berlin

Johannes_B

13:47

@mario You wanted to go to FG? Why?

@mario there is not much to see here. Well, there are a few things.

Mario S. E.

@Johannes_B Because I traveling hehehehehe. I want to go as many places as possible

@Johannes_B What do you feel are the most iconic things to see?

Johannes_B

@mario I don't know, we have quite a bit. I think most important:

Terra mineralia

Die terra mineralia ist eine Mineraliensammlung im Schloss Freudenstein in Freiberg. Die Sammlung wurde 2004 von Erika Pohl-Ströher der Technischen Universität Bergakademie Freiberg als Dauerleihgabe überlassen. Die terra mineralia wurde im Oktober 2008 eröffnet und ist mit über 80.000 Exponaten die größte Mineralienausstellung der Welt. == Pohl-Ströher-Sammlung == Die mehrere zehntausend Exponate umfassende Mineraliensammlung von der aus dem Erzgebirge stammenden, deutsch-schweizerischen Unternehmerin Erika Pohl-Ströher wurde am 30. Juni 2004 durch einen Vertrag der Bergakademie Freiberg...

The biggest collection of stones (sorry, minerals) in the world

Mario S. E.

@Johannes_B There you go, there is something!

@Johannes_B We have special wines in Porto hehehehehe

Johannes_B

@mario Wine is ok, but i am more of a beer guy.

@PauloCereda @ChristianHupfer @tohecz @MarioS.E. All you wanted to learn english, do i remeber correctly?

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David Carlisle

see my comment to the answer by LaRiFaRi. (egreg's got it right.) — barbara beeton 6 mins ago

@egreg clearly a preposterous comment by barabara! ^^

@JosephWright I thought I'd seen something along those lines, somewhere:-)

Mario S. E.

14:32

@Johannes_B HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

azetina

14:58

I finally got a mail from TUG

Ever since I got a chance here to be granted a membership at TUG, for the first time I received the DVD and releases

:-)

Johannes_B

15:14

@SeanAllred Wow, i thought i carefully read the wiki tag. Thanks for cleaning my errors.

egreg

@DavidCarlisle She's right as always. :P

David Carlisle

15:29

@egreg neither of us got the tick. it seems :(

egreg

@DavidCarlisle The OP has no taste, as his comment to your answer clearly shows. :P

David Carlisle

@egreg yes I nearly didn't post my answer at all:-)

Paulo Cereda

16:02

@DavidCarlisle Start adding % arara: pdflatex to your answers. It might help. :)

David Carlisle

% arara: vim

egreg

@DavidCarlisle % arara: vim: { action: remove }

Paulo Cereda

@egreg where remove means uninstall emacs. :)

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda Why are there sooo many different sign languages? Is there anybody trying to unify them?

Paulo Cereda

16:17

@Johannes_B I really don't know much about them. :(

David Carlisle

Sri Lanka 	317-6 (50.0 overs)
England 	168-5 (25.3 overs)
England need another 150 runs to win

@Johannes_B s/sign //

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle Sure, but the amount of hearing impaired is far less. And there is a difference between german and austrian sign language. What the heck?

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B human nature:-) If we understood human nature we might understand why people use vim when emacs is available.

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle Ah, now i understand it. There has to be more than one language, so you can choose the right one ;-)

Paulo Cereda

16:35

@DavidCarlisle oy

David Carlisle

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Paulo Cereda

16:53

@DavidCarlisle add this to your keynote. :)

David Carlisle

17:05

@PauloCereda That would mean I had something to add it to.

@PauloCereda Just think he's going to be there signing that forever.

Paulo Cereda

17:22

@David: did you like my new avatar? :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda you're a duck until I log out...

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle I'm still a duck. :)

percusse

@DavidCarlisle Click on his name on the left

Joseph Wright

Anyone get what is wanted in

1

Q: Redefine obeyspaces to newline

I want to typeset code snippets from different programming languages. I couldn't get listings to do what I want (one complete height of an empty line takes up too much space for my liking) and neither did I manage to define everything I want myself. I'd like to define a new environment where re...

spacing environments

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda it's not even december yet

Paulo Cereda

17:24

@DavidCarlisle :(

Joseph Wright

I wonder if the OP wants to avoid a blank line between 'pars' (not quite the right concept for code but ...)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright No. :) (oh wait, should I read the Q first?)

percusse

@JosephWright I think OP wants a shorter parskip inside the code

Or the verbatim equivalent of parskip

So if there is an empty line, you'll get, say, 2ex of space then new par resumes

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda people are still voting that you should be interviewed after your interview. Perhaps we should do it all again.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Oh no, not that again.

David Carlisle

17:38

@PauloCereda You can't argue against democracy.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle boo.

Johannes_B

17:59

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Q: Books written using TeX

As part of my research I need to find the detailed list of books written using TeX, LaTeX.... I am from Computer Science background, and found some books written making use of TeX, LaTeX... Could you please give a list of books written using this. I know the list is large. It would be ok to inclu...

latex-project books tex-general

I think something should be done about this Q.

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B If you don't like it, vote to close or raise on meta

Johannes_B

@JosephWright Unclear? Too-broad?

percusse

@Johannes_B Voted for dup

Johannes_B

@percusse Good idea. Done so as well.

@percusse Have you watched the english lesson some lines above? chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/18788740#18788740

percusse

@Johannes_B

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Johannes_B

18:07

@percusse :-)

Iplodman

18:21

Hey! :)

Paulo Cereda

@Iplodman Olá!

Iplodman

@PauloCereda Tudo bem?

Or is it bom?

Bom, eu acho.

Paulo Cereda

@Iplodman Tudo bem, obrigado. :) E com vocẽ?

Iplodman

> Tudo bem, obrigado

Bom!

> E com vocẽ

Fala ingles, por favor?

Paulo Cereda

18:36

@Iplodman Sinto muito, não falo inglês.

Iplodman

@PauloCereda Okay, I'm lost now.

I only know the basics ;P

Paulo Cereda

@Iplodman It's the answer to your question. :) I'm sorry, I don't speak English.

Iplodman

Ah!

I was trying to ask if you could say it again, but in English :L

What would be a better way of asking?

Paulo Cereda

@Iplodman if someone speaks English?

Iplodman

Em fala ingles, por favor?

@PauloCereda Asking someone to say something in English :P

David Carlisle

18:39

O português é realmente fácil. Eu posso escrever isto sem problema.

Paulo Cereda

@Iplodman Com licença, você fala inglês? (Excuse me, do you speak English?)

@DavidCarlisle ^^^ see, David is an expert in Portuguese. :)

Iplodman

Geez, how many meanings does com have?

@DavidCarlisle Yeah, I'll get round to the more complex stuff later ;P

@PauloCereda So I see! :P

David Carlisle

@Iplodman I have a secret helper

Iplodman

Google? ;P

Paulo Cereda

@Iplodman com is with. Simple as that.

David Carlisle

18:41

@Iplodman hm not so secret helper

Iplodman

@PauloCereda But com licenca means "Excuse me"?

(I need to get a Spanish keyboard)

@DavidCarlisle c:

Paulo Cereda

@Iplodman Com licença, perdoe-me, desculpe-me. It depends on the context.

Iplodman

Hmm.

When's desculpa used?

Paulo Cereda

@Iplodman sorry.

Iplodman

Entendo.

Obrigado!

Paulo Cereda

18:44

@Iplodman De nada. | Disponha! | Às ordens. | Foi um prazer.

Iplodman

De nada I know from Spanish.

Look at this, I'm learning!

Paulo Cereda

:)

Iplodman

Eu apreciar e.

Paulo Cereda

hm?!

Iplodman

"I appreciate it"

Is that wrong?

Paulo Cereda

18:49

@Iplodman Using apreciar as translation to "appreciate" sounds quite odd to me. I'd go with eu agradeço.

Iplodman

Entendo. Eu egradeco!

Paulo Cereda

@Iplodman spelling correction. :P

Iplodman

What should it be? :L

Paulo Cereda

egradeco = agradeço.

Iplodman

Ah, that's because I don't have a keyboard that supports accents ;P

I guess I could copy and paste them.

Paulo Cereda

18:57

@Iplodman you wrote the word with E. It's A.

Iplodman

Oh, right.

Obrigado! :L

Paulo Cereda

@Iplodman Às ordens. :)

David Carlisle

Sri Lanka demitir Inglaterra por 292 para ganhar o primeiro de um dia internacional por 25 corridas.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle That hurts me so badly. :)

Iplodman

@PauloCereda ;)

egreg

19:09

@PauloCereda Season's duck?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Did you like it? :)

@egreg: new one, I'll save the duck Santa for mid-december. :)

@egreg: yay, it's there!

David Carlisle

19:36

@PauloCereda you changed again? the quality of my Portuguese hurts you, or the fact that England lost?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle The second, of course. :P

@David: did you like my new tree-duck?

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda it's still not december;-)

@PauloCereda how was my Portuguese?

Paulo Cereda

19:50

@DavidCarlisle Terrible. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda it was probably terrible English that went in;-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Nah, Portuguese is complicated. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda possibly Google's Portuguese translation isn't optimised for cricket results.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :)

Werner

What an honour... I received the "Unsung Hero" badge on Stack Overflow!

...that's a weird community.

David Carlisle

19:59

@Werner yep I've got one too, I keep trying to get one here but those pesky answer the unanswered sessions make it difficult as people vote for things (and of course you have to hide the answer from @PauloCereda's robot voters).

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