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@PauloCereda Answered, I felt it a duty. ;-)
@egreg ooh! :)
@egreg you just stuck in a tabular where the OP had text and hoped for the best, or have you used that thing before?
@DavidCarlisle Just tried, without any knowledge of how that macro works. Since the tabular wouldn't move up, I added \smash around it.
@DavidCarlisle It's like you do, isn't it?
@egreg thought as much, I'll go and vote for you
 
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02:48
@PauloCereda I'm responding to your email now. Sorry I didn't get to it earlier. IAnd I'm excited for v4! :)
03:27
Oh no! I'm all alone. Does that mean that \end{chat}!? D:
 
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07:49
@egreg: Whovian fact: do you know the regeneration song for David Tennant in The end of time is writen and sung in Latin? :)
 
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09:21
Hi... How can I texlive manager by terminal?
@EnthusiasticStudent tlmgr update --all
You don't have permission to change the installation in any way,
specifically, the directory /usr/local/texlive/2014/tlpkg/ is not writable.
Please run this program as administrator, or contact your local admin.
@DavidCarlisle
Aha, I entered the root by sudo su
it's updating packages
09:40
@DavidCarlisle is there any way to go to previous package version?
@EnthusiasticStudent I think only if you have previously done tlmgr backup you can roll back to those saved ones (I never have done that though) see tlmg help
10:32
Good maen
10:43
@EnthusiasticStudent I define alias sutlmgr='sudo /opt/texbin/tlmgr -gui' (approximately) in my .bashrc` file, so calling sutlmgr will do the right thing, without the dangerous sudo su
11:16
@egreg aha... thanks. Little by little I am getting more comfortable with linux.
 
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12:22
Hi everybody!
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Q: Why does adding shorthands to language extras no longer work?

RaphaelIt used to be that this worked: \documentclass{scrartcl} \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} \usepackage[main=american,ngerman]{babel} \addto\extrasamerican{\languageshorthands{ngerman}} \begin{document} Test"=Test \end{document} This is taken directly from the babel manual. We would expect to see...

Given that nobody answered for that long (relative to my usual TeX - LaTeX experience), can I assume it's a bug?
12:50
Would you say that the first question below is a duplicate of the second one?
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Q: cref multiple labels don't grab the label type

bjorneI have a strange situation where cref is working great for single labels, i.e. \cref{eq:some equation} and for the first two multiple references of the form \cref{thm:first theorem,thm:second theorem,thm:amazing third theorem} works perfectly, and then after that multiple references get printed w...

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Q: cleveref + listings

Dennis\documentclass{scrbook} \usepackage{listings} \usepackage{cleveref} \begin{document} Ref: \ref{test}. Cref: \cref{test}. \begin{lstlisting}[caption={Test},label={test}] test \end{lstlisting} \end{document} This produces Ref: 1. Cref: ?? 1.. I expected something like Ref: 1. Cref: Listing 1...

 
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14:15
@DavidCarlisle Did you try the build script again on Cygwin?
@JosephWright It stopped in the middle of the tests just hung I killed it off and rebooted and windows said it was doing an update 1 of 28.... so I left it and went to bed:-) it's running now got to tlcs02 wherever that is in the scheme of things
@DavidCarlisle Hmm
@DavidCarlisle Everything builds for me on Windows with an up-to-date system, so I'll be interested about any differences
@DavidCarlisle I guess I should talk to Heiko about hyperlinks, and we really should do some publicity
@JosephWright I wouldn't worry about the non termination, last night windows gets a bit unstable if it has pending updates. I'll let you know when this finishes. See my mail on texlive list?
@DavidCarlisle Hasn't come through here yet: will read on the archive
@DavidCarlisle Ah, it's just popped up
14:56
@JosephWright :(
same as before
Typesetting e
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.15 (TeX Live 2014) (preloaded format=pdflatex)
 restricted \write18 enabled.
entering extended mode
LaTeX2e <2014/05/01>
Babel <3.9l> and hyphenation patterns for 79 languages loaded.
(../../build/doc/../../build/doc/e.tex
 ! Compilation failed
@JosephWright Didn't Frank mention glue fil earlier? tlb4069 in tools:
< .\hbox(6.94444+0.0)x167.5, glue set 103.8332fil
---
> .\hbox(6.94444+0.0)x167.5, glue set 103.83328fil
At least I think that's the problem there are .log and .etex.log files for that test showing that diff but no .diff files anywhere
15:14
@DavidCarlisle I altered the test files so they pass with l3build (which normalises here for LuaTeX)
@DavidCarlisle e.tex is part of tools: this is all rather odd. I'm investigating
15:30
@JosephWright yes I just ran build check in tools and it said all tests pass, but I just had a reply about xetex.. It would be nice if l3build would just stop rather than wait til the end then say it's not going to zip because of an error (what is it checking at that stage, can i see what it thinks was wrong?)
@DavidCarlisle It should stop. On the train later today I'll work on this.
@JosephWright thanks, it may just be a local config problem here but it's a bit hard to know as it is:-)
@DavidCarlisle I'll deliberately force some check fails and see whether it stops. If not, I'll fix :-)
@DavidCarlisle I can't work out why you are seeing an attempt to typeset e.tex: that shouldn't happen and doesn't seem to for me
Hi everybody... it's been a while since I last visited the chatroom
@cgnieder Hello
15:44
@JosephWright OK I removed my tools area and checked out a clean set and running build ctan in tools, see what happens this time, is it possible I had a stray e.tex ?
@DavidCarlisle Ah, OK
@JosephWright xetex working again:-)
@DavidCarlisle I saw
@JosephWright seems pretty strange to remove access to all windows fonts on a windows machine just because you might add some more and have an out of date cache
Good maen
@cgnieder: Hallo, lange nicht gesehen ;-)
15:56
@JosephWright build ctan works in tools, trying again at top level
@ChristianHupfer stimmt. :) Too much “real life” going on lately :)
@cgnieder: The same is true for me... I reduced my TeX.SX time slice
16:37
@DavidCarlisle :-)
@DavidCarlisle Cool
16:49
@JosephWright total bytes=7165144, compressed=6389908 -> 11% savings
@JosephWright whatever build clean does, I suspect it doesn't do as much as rm -r *; svn update
@DavidCarlisle No, certainly not!
@DavidCarlisle Sounds good
@DavidCarlisle I will track down why the build process isn't stopping on first issue, and fix it, later today
@JosephWright yep it's working now. I should have spotted it was trying to typeset e.tex rather than a dtx file or some such
@DavidCarlisle I've adjusted the build.lua file to get this tigher as well
@JosephWright actually I think it was I just didn't see it, I think I had a stray e.tex which it then tried to typeset (not sure why) so then stopped at that point but it was so near the end I thought it was stopping at zip time because of an earlier error
17:19
@JosephWright OK can reproduce: run tex tools.ins "by hand" in the tools directory you get all sorts of interesting files in that directory..... build ctan then fails.
@DavidCarlisle yay!
@PauloCereda If only I had never tested my code in the previous 20 years before @Joseph built a build tool, I wouldn't have output files in unexpected places in the source tree...
 
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18:29
@DavidCarlisle Not that surprising for two reasons. First, l3build only 'cleans up' what it creates as we've had issues in the past being more aggressive. Second, the standard settings used *.<ext> as that's most convenient. However, we can tighten them up if required to just a specified list of files.
@JosephWright yes it was just unfortunate that e is rather inconspicuous:-) but I think it's not that uncommon to have generated files in the source directory, certainly if things are acting strangely I revert to doing things by hand rather than than use the build tool (whether make or l3build) not sure what that means for build clean though (or perhaps as you say it's not that build clean should delete but that build ctan should use a list. Not sure...
18:46
@DavidCarlisle As I say, it's quite possible to give l3build an explicit list of sources/typeset files/..., and this should mean it ignores anything else. It's just that this gets a bit tedious. I did tighten up the spec for tools in a checkin today.
@DavidCarlisle Problem is I think .tex as it's hidden on *nix but not on Windows
@DavidCarlisle I'm working on this ;-)
@DavidCarlisle Will you make the UK-TUG meeting?
@JosephWright yes I guess so, see what you've to say about this mostly:-)
@DavidCarlisle Cool
@DavidCarlisle Something of a rehash of FMi's talk at TUG2014, I guess
@DavidCarlisle We might also talk about LaTeX2e plans for next year :-)
@DavidCarlisle Should now be OK even if the dir is not 'clean': I've altered the spec a bit for what to typeset
19:36
@DavidCarlisle I've tracked down why things were not halting on a check failure: I'd left a test line in l3build. Halts properly now, we should be good to go to CTAN with an update.
I just need to wait to hear what @PauloCereda has to say
@JosephWright thanks, sounds good
19:56
@DavidCarlisle It looks like adding hyperlinks and the like to the LaTeX core distro will be pretty easy: I can grab a couple of Heiko's .cfg files and if we stick to pdfTeX that's just about it :-)
20:19
@JosephWright sounds good. Heiko's notes mentioned luatex made smaller files, but not sure that's so important really.
@DavidCarlisle Not really a big issue: expl3 is much larger
For example, we have 871 pages in source3.pdf versus 553 for source2e.pdf, and no-one has complained about source3
All of expl3 is typeset using pdfTeX
@DavidCarlisle Would be good to get control back of the PDF docs people see: for example, we've fixed the index business
@JosephWright yep. (and the formats:-)
@JosephWright what do you think about the combined ltnews thing?
In London.
@tohecz welcome to England:-)
@DavidCarlisle thanks :)
20:33
@tohecz Beware! England is full of Englishmen.
@egreg really? England maybe, but London ...
@tohecz You can find some also in London, I'm sure. Look carefully.
@egreg I do. But the guy in the restaurant seemed to speak better French than English.
@tohecz sure sign he was English
@DavidCarlisle ok, good to know
I'm just checkiing what exactly we're going to see tomorrow
 
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@egreg I changed the footnote spacing more than you did, so tick should be mine
@DavidCarlisle Yeah, high typography school!
@egreg high for plain users:-)

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