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00:04
@DavidCarlisle I use it all the time. :)
00:23
@PauloCereda One can prove amazing theorems with this method.
01:20
@tohecz Where can I find this?
@1010011010 you don't understand me I think. It's a program that ONLY creates THIS one figure
@tohecz Well, the code can be altered to create another picture, right? :P or is the source code not public?
@1010011010 I doubt it is
now I apologize and I'm off to bed. Bye!
 
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03:33
I miss you guys. <3
Say, @PauloCereda: How exactly does Psmith work?
 
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06:49
Good maen
 
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08:47
Dum di dum...
09:39
@SeanAllred <3
@SeanAllred The merit of the bot is a JS script which runs in one's browser session (a project from Zirak named SO-ChatBot). Psmith is then written as a combination of a modified JS code (Zirak's code) + a local webservice provider (mine) which contains more complicated stuff. So, if I want to do the battle thingy, the JS script which runs on my browser session captures the pattern, calls the corresponding service, fetches the JSON output and then outputs the result in here. :)
 
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12:40
!!/formulaone
@PauloCereda hmm psmith's probably gone off to watch the GP already.
@DavidCarlisle :)
@DavidCarlisle ooh!
Adventure time, apparently. :)
I've just written my first table on latex
\begin{center}
\begin{tabular}{ | c | c | c | c |}
\hline
S.No
& Distance of \newline source from LDR \newline d (cm)
& Resistance of LDR \newline R(ohm)
& Decrease in Resistance \newline R(ohm) \\
\hline
1 & 2 & . & . \\
\hline
2 & 4 & . & . \\
\hline
\end{tabular}
\end{center}
@Nick Is \newline really needed? :)
@PauloCereda I want to chop it off there but I don't know how.
we now start the countdown before someone mentions booktabs...
13:07
@Nick You can't chop lines in a c column
@egreg Ok, you get the effect I'm going for. What's the alternative.
@Nick There are several methods for this, but the simplest one, in this case, is to use two rows.
@Nick Or three, as the second cell requires as many.
@egreg Brilliant idea. I'm going to go try that out.
@DavidCarlisle LOL
@Nick Here's an example:
\documentclass{article}

\newcommand{\splitcell}[1]{%
  \begin{tabular}{@{}c@{}}\strut#1\strut\end{tabular}%
}

\begin{document}

\begin{tabular}{ | c | c | c | c |}
\hline
S. No
 & \splitcell{Distance of \\ source from LDR}
 & Resistance of LDR
 & Decrease in Resistance \\
 & $d$ (cm)
 & $R$ (ohm)
 & $R$ (ohm) \\
\hline
1 & 2 & . & . \\
\hline
2 & 4 & . & . \\
\hline
\end{tabular}

\end{document}
13:14
@DavidCarlisle Your countdown stopped before it began because you mentioned it :D
@egreg That is incredibly sexy, Mr. Bond.
@Nick And here's the booktabs version to make @DavidCarlisle happy
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{booktabs}

\newcommand{\splitcell}[1]{%
  \begin{tabular}{@{}c@{}}\strut#1\strut\end{tabular}%
}

\begin{document}

\begin{tabular}{c c c c}
\toprule
S. No
 & \splitcell{Distance of \\ source from LDR}
 & Resistance of LDR
 & Decrease in Resistance \\
 & $d$ (cm)
 & $R$ (ohm)
 & $R$ (ohm) \\
\midrule
1 & 2 & . & . \\
2 & 4 & . & . \\
\bottomrule
\end{tabular}

\end{document}
@Nick nah, @egreg would have used it in the example he used above except he didn't want to be seen to be following my hints.
@Nick, but in the end he couldn't resist
@DavidCarlisle You man of little faith!
13:15
@egreg LOL
@egreg Oh that looks nice but what of the separating lines?
@Nick You don't need them.
@egreg :D Ok
@Nick if you go texdoc booktabs you will be treated to an extensive diatribe on the evils of vertical rules in tables:-)
@PauloCereda By the way, how come you still have 25 votes at 11:20 am?
13:17
@egreg Working on it right now. :)
@DavidCarlisle I apologize but I just started my journey of learning latex / becoming a pokemon master. So, I don't know how to access texdoc
@egreg how do you build those so very quickly?
@Nick Go to texdoc.net and type booktabs in the box.
@Nick ah depends how you access commands generally, on the commandline you can literally just type that, if you are using a tex GUI it probably has a doumentation menu
@Nick or there's a web version as egreg says
@Nick Been there, done that. ;-)
@egreg Oh! I thought it was some feauture on teXMaker.
@DavidCarlisle I'm using TeXMaker.
13:21
@Nick I never use front-ends when doing answers on the site, it's quicker with direct editing and compiling from the terminal.
@Nick not used that but I would be surprised if it doesn't have a menu frontend to texdoc (both miktex and texlive tex systems come with it)
@Nick @egreg has one Mewtwo, one Arceus, one Charizard, one Zapdos, one Rayquaza and one Ho-oh. @David has a couple of six Magikarps. :)
@egreg Where can I find this terminal of which you speak of?
@Nick Let me guess: you're a Windoze user. ;-)
13:24
@Nick Traveller of an arcane land, which operating system do your people use?
@Nick just cmd on windows or xterm on linux or terminal on mac
@egreg That. :P
@egreg yes, windows :D
@PauloCereda Windows 8.1
@Nick Wow.
@DavidCarlisle that is so weird. All I use cmd.exe for is \taskkill when something is unresponsive.
13:26
@Nick Well, I just know that something called Windows exists and it would be an operating system. ;-)
@Nick you have to remember that @egreg is very old and has been using TeX since before windows existed, he doesn't change his ways easily.
@egreg As a user using windows for more than a decade, that's all I know too.
@DavidCarlisle He's in his twenty somethings. He ain't old. (I'm his defence attorney)
@Nick Yes, I'm still in my twenties as a TeX user. :D
@egreg I had a feeling.
@Nick Not for long, I'm afraid, because it will be 30 years in 2015.
13:33
@egreg Well, you're still in your prime. Hitting your stride. Doing something good with the back half of your life :D
Hey, which package is \omega in
@Nick None
@JosephWright Well then, how do I get the ohm symbol
@Nick \usepackage{siunitx}, by @JosephWright
Watching Death in heaven. No spoilers please. :)
@egreg \toprule \midrule and \bottomrule aren't working for me.
13:42
Osgood died, oh no!
@Nick Did you add \usepackage{booktabs}?
@egreg Oh, I added it after \begin{document} ... silly me. fixed it. Now, an installer is running downloading the package. Well, this is very automated.
@Joseph: have you watched yesterday's episode? :)
TexMaker + MikTeX ... is this combo going to be good for a beginner such as I?
Hopefully I can stomach it better than fast food combos.
Now, I need to prepare a good title page. This is one of those fine arts that you gentlemen are fond of, isn't it?
Would someone care to show me their favorite template :D
@PauloCereda Yes
13:57
@JosephWright I am watching it now. :)
@Johannes_B Ooh, that is indeed splendid.
Is anyone in this room actually a typesetter by profession? (just asking cuz I'm curious as to whether they exist)
@Nick Sorry, I'm a professional duck. :)
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@PauloCereda Um, do you do birthday parties?
@Nick If and only if there's cake. :)
14:06
@PauloCereda Um, are cupcakes sufficient?
@Nick If they are chocolate-based, I think they will do. :)
@Nick It's like madagascar in here. Lots of crazy guys. I am a penguin.
@Johannes_B ooh a penguin!
Hi @PauloCereda
So, you are not professional typesetters but instead non-flying birds?
14:08
On days starting with m am a pipesmoking penguin.
But i wear hats all the time.
@Johannes_B Hey Johannes! :)
Every penguin should wear a hat. Goes well with the suit.
@Johannes_B Do you do birthday parties?
@Johannes_B Nicola is our hatmeister. :)
@Nick No, penguins don't care about stuff like that anymore.
14:12
Ye of little faith.
All you birds require to sit through a Sunday sermon in church.... with Mr.Bean
Moral of the story: If you're not going to do birthday parties, then go professional... unless you suck, in which case you will be crucified and better off doing birthday parties.
Ah well, enough of giggling, back to LaTeX
See that leftmost electronic component.
I need to insert it into my project.
Should I just crop this image?
or is there some way to draw it using only code.
14:29
@Nick if you have it as a scalable image you could or you could draw it in latex (there are packages for electronic circuit diagrams) tikz mostly
@DavidCarlisle Well, I'm learning a whole lot in one day.
@david Confused and out of ideas latex-community.org/forum/…
@DavidCarlisle ooh, the field of modern typesetting seems more lucrative than web designing.
@DavidCarlisle I can't seem to find any documentation on the component I want. Should i ask on the site?
@Nick well ive never actually used that package so don't ask me here:-)
14:36
@DavidCarlisle But I am quite nervous to ask my first question here. New users are inclined to ask dumb questions. Will I be peed upon if I ask my question on the main site?
@Johannes_B the files are not installed (never believe the OP)
@DavidCarlisle What to tell him?
@Nick we're not stack overflow, mostly we are reasonably friendly to new users. (as long as they don't commit sins like using vertical rules in tables.....
@Johannes_B Tell him he's forgotten the keys to start the engine.
@DavidCarlisle Exactly... lol
@Johannes_B tell him if tex can't find the files then they are not installed. They may be there and not in the search path or they may not be there, but that's the same thing as far as tex is concerned. The simplest way to fix something not being installed is to install it.
14:40
@DavidCarlisle Seems reasonable, thanks :-)
@Nick one thing that isn't popular is just posting an image and saying "how do I draw that" best to make a complete document with an attempt (even if it makes the wrong component) and ask how to fix a specific problem.
@DavidCarlisle: Mmh, you're right. I'll ask after I've thoroughly looked into TikZ
Thank you for the guidance, Sensai :D
Thank you all.
Now, I better go study the actual content of project. Goodnight :D
15:00
@chris Freaking library. Smells in hear. Ever burnt a moth? Some of that, smell of hard thinking students. Smell of energy drinks and dust. Absolutely disgusting.
Hi. Does anyone know a quoting enviroment that supports shading out of the box. listings does, but it is not a quoting environment
@FaheemMitha You could sorroundwithmdframed{quote} (or whatever the command is)
15:15
@Johannes_B You mean enclose the quote environment in an mdframed environment?
@FaheemMitha that is the name of the comand, so you don't need to change the documment (provided you used quote before). Should work with any environment you previously used.
Hi. Is there any way to change the position of the page number in the first page of the chapters in book style? It is usually located in the footer center, but I want to see it as other pages without change...
@Johannes_B I don't follow. what is "the name of the command"?
\sorroundwithmdframed[options]{environment}
@EnthusiasticStudent You could redefine the plain style, or do something like
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Q: Set page number in all Chapter start pages with KOMA-Script

hehe_brI'm using the KOMA-Script to define my headings and I would like to show only the page number in the chapter start pages. I got this by creating a new style and using it with \thispagestyle{ChapterStyle} after the \chapter{}, but I have many chapters. Is there a way to add only the page number au...

@EnthusiasticStudent Are you using any package for altering the header/footer? scrlayer-scrpage comes to mind.
Hi @FrankMittelbach How are you?
@Johannes_B fancy header
15:21
@Johannes_B Oh, there is a command called \sorroundwithmdframed?
It sounded like something made up
@EnthusiasticStudent There is an example in the fancyhdr doc. Section 7.
@FaheemMitha Not made up ;-)
@Johannes_B Ok, thanks.
Though maybe it is \surroundwithmdframed?
@Johannes_B Thanks, Chapter 7 worked. Can I remove the line appearing in the header?
@EnthusiasticStudent You need to give it a width of zero, just as shown in the example. ;-) \renewcommand{\headrulewidth}{0pt}
@FaheemMitha Yes, i mistyped, sorry :-)
@Johannes_B That worked... Thank you so much...
15:30
@EnthusiasticStudent No problem
Good morning. I'm having trouble getting BibTeX to find a .bst file that I just added to my texmf tree.
I needed to import a bunch of bibliography styles, which I put in the directory ~/Library/texmf/tex/latex/biology-latex-bibtex-files.
According to the FAQ at tug.org/mactex/2012/faq/index.html#qm05 the files should be found automatically, I think.
@Johannes_B Ok, no problem.
I know that I've put something there before and gotten it to work, but I may be forgetting a step that was involved.
@Gregory How can you be sure that they (the bsts) are not found?
@Johannes_B
This is BibTeX, Version 0.99d (TeX Live 2014)
The top-level auxiliary file: minion.aux
I couldn't open style file molecularEcology.bst
---line 36 of file minion.aux
: \bibstyle{molecularEcology
: }
15:36
@Gregory bibtex will not by default look in texmf/tex/latex want texmf/bibtex/bst
Just did locate *.bst and tought a \huge list will show up.
$ kpsewhich plain.bst
/usr/local/texlive/2014/texmf-dist/bibtex/bst/base/plain.bst


$ kpsewhich color.sty
/usr/local/texlive/2014/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/color.sty
@DavidCarlisle can I keep them in a subdirectory of texmf/bibtex/bst in order to keep them together?
@Gregory Wrong place
@Gregory note the difference in paths for color.sty and plain.bst (on my cygwin setup)
15:39
@DavidCarlisle it appears to be the same on my system.
$ kpsexpand \$BIBINPUTS
.:{/home/davidc/.texlive2014/texmf-config,/home/davidc/.texlive2014/texmf-var,/home/davidc/texmf,!!/usr/local/texlive/2014/texmf-config,!!/usr/local/texlive/2014/texmf-var,!!/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local,!!/usr/local/texlive/2014/texmf-dist}/bibtex/bib//
@DavidCarlisle
@Gregory you can put them anywhere in BIBINPUTS see as above on my system,. paths prefixed by !! are pre-indexed so files in there will only be found if you refresh the filedatabase with texhash, path segments ending in // are recursively searched for subdirectories
@Da
@DavidCarlisle: Thanks. I'll try this and let you know whether I get it to work.
@Gregory if you just want to get your document done and sort it out later, put them in the same directory as your main document, that always works.
15:42
@DavidCarlisle: great tip!
Having put the .bst file in the same directory as my .tex file, I'm now getting ! LaTeX Error: File `babelbst.tex' not found.
@Gregory not a filename I recognise, did it come with your bst files?
@DavidCarlisle nope.
@Gregory google for it, presumably it exists somewhere:-) (either that or there is a typo in the \input statement and you should be inputting a diferemt file.
@DavidCarlisle That's what I thought, but find / -name babelbst.tex 2>&/dev/null didn't find it.
@Gregory there are lots of copies here: google.co.uk/search?q=babelbst.tex
15:54
I think I can live with \bibliographystyle{plain} for the moment.
What have I done? It's still complaining that `babelbst.tex' is missing and all I did was to change back to plain, which was working before. Grump.
@Gregory if the \input{babelbst} is in teh .bbl generated when you ran bibtex with the other bst files you will need to re-run bibtex to regenerate a bbl without that input
16:09
@DavidCarlisle rm *.bbl fixed the problem.
@percusse LOL
@egreg – you're a tick-stealing menace :)
@SeanAllred Which one, this time?
XD
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A: How to append colored text to a macro in a loop?

egregMy impression is that this is an XY-question. Anyway, here's a way to do what you want: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{tikz} \usepackage{etoolbox} \colorlet{color1}{red} \colorlet{color2}{green!50!black} \colorlet{color3}{blue} \colorlet{color4}{black} \begin{document} \newcommand*\toml...

"this time" – proving that it's always healthy to start the morning with a hearty laugh :)
16:22
@SeanAllred Usually I steal ticks from @DavidCarlisle.
@egreg I feel his pain now – oh so personally.
16:41
@SeanAllred You were to late in mastering \noexpand. ;-)
@egreg I was, I was. I did have the idea though in the comments – I've just ridiculously busy with everyone's favorite SE client (thinking forth-dimensionally, of course ;))
In other news, I just discovered that you can edit your last message by pressing the 'up arrow' key.
@SeanAllred Yes, and also preceding ones, in the proper time frame.
@egreg That is so cool!
17:04
@SeanAllred the man has no shame
17:19
@DavidCarlisle Or didn't bother reading youngster's comments.
@egreg :3
17:34
@egreg speaking of ticks going to far superior answers.... tex.stackexchange.com/questions/211207/…
@DavidCarlisle People have no taste.
@egreg meanwhile I see you're just using my packages to pick up points as usual:-) (textcase:-)
@DavidCarlisle It's not my fault: blame the AMS people.
@barbarabeeton ^^^^^
@DavidCarlisle ooh that was mean. :)
17:40
@PauloCereda but as I'm not Joseph it probably won't work.
@DavidCarlisle barbara already visited the chat, so it will work. :)
@PauloCereda doesn't it only work if @ auto-completes to the name?
@DavidCarlisle dunno. :)
hhh
hhh
18:33
I am trying to reference an URL, I cannot understand why it mentions only title, not the url itself. I would like to get references like (Goossens et al., 1993). Should I use bibtex, natlib or something else?
@hhh as always probably better to ask a question on site with a (not) working example. bibtex and natbib aren't comparable, one is an executable program that generates bibliographies and the other is a latex package and associated bibtex styles. So you might need both, or neither, depending what you are doing.
is there an align environment equivalent that will always use displaystyle?
hhh
hhh
I feel the solution is just a new style, I use currently Plain style with Bibtex
@DavidCarlisle First I investigate things before asking stupid questions :)
@GBeau align
@hhh plain style for bibtex was written before the web was invented, so doesn't know anything about url. You can use \href in the value of a field, and it will just pass it back to latex/hyperref to deal with (that may be what you want) but it doesn't have a URL field out of which it will construct a hyperlink automatically
@GBeau all the ams alignments default to displaystyle
18:49
@DavidCarlisle o, maybe I just don't understand why the fractions are reverting to text display here then
@GBeau hmm as I just said to @hhh:-) as always probably better to ask a question on site with a (not) working example.
I am at least describing it correctly?
the top is align*, the bottom is \[, \]
@GBeau is it? not what I'd expect, but then I've been wrong before:-) If you post an example I'd run it locally, but if you don't, I won't:-)
those are typset using commath
@GBeau not a package I know
@GBeau but looking in there I see lots of things like
\providecommand{\tpd}[3][]{\ensuremath{\mathinner{
\tfrac{\partial{^{#1}}#2}{\partial{#3^{#1}}}
}}}
\tfrac is text mode fraction
@GBeau probably you are not using \tbd but rather this:
\providecommand{\md}[6]{\ensuremath{
\ifinner
\tfrac{\partial{^{#2}}#1}{\partial{#3^{#4}}\partial{#5^{#6}}}
\else
\dfrac{\partial{^{#2}}#1}{\partial{#3^{#4}}\partial{#5^{#6}}}
\fi
}}
19:01
the example is so minimal it almost has to be the package: ghostbin.com/paste/ktwuk
That's hmm not optimally coded, it should just say
\providecommand{\md}[6]{\ensuremath{
\frac{\partial{^{#2}}#1}{\partial{#3^{#4}}\partial{#5^{#6}}}
}}
or better without the \ensuremath
@GBeau Don't use commath, it does evil.
@egreg I looked at it for the first time just now. i was trying to be polite:-)
@DavidCarlisle Good boy!
I was just trying to be lazy typesetting a bunch of differentials
19:03
@GBeau it provides short commands to insert very verbose suboptimal constructs,
It is "recommended" by the top-voted answer here: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/14821/…
20:01
@GBeau Well, in that answer the package is suggested. I commented about it: I can do nothing more.
@MarcvanDongen I wouldn't recommend commath in any case: it's just a collection of poorly written macros (see the definition of \pd to see what I mean). — egreg Jan 3 '13 at 11:58
@GBeau The author hadn't the slightest idea of what \ifinner does. He could have simply used \frac that already does the right thing by itself, instead of complicating a simple issue. Other macros are blatantly wrong; really.
is there an easy way to use displaymode for fractions in matrix now?
20:17
@GBeau \dfrac, but you have to add spacing like \\[2ex]
@egreg why the spacing? and where do you mean?
@GBeau At the end of a row containing a \dfrac, or the matrix will be too crowded.
@GBeau I avoid two story fractions in matrices as far as possible.
@egreg I think my use is justified; it's a small matrix with dots that avoid ambiguity and I think it helps in reading the subscripts
@GBeau Yes, it is.
hhh
hhh
21:14
@DavidCarlisle moved to main site here, q about bibtex without urls.
It must be some easy thing, I have worked so many times with bibtex but now cannot just crux the prob, perhaps wrong package? I imported just cite pkg...
@hhh yes but without a usable example (and as I said before plain won't do anything with a url field)
hhh
hhh
@DavidCarlisle which option does something with url?
@hhh see cfrs answer. the way bibtex works you can have any fields you want in a bibtex file, but specific styles just use the fields they use. so with the standard styles url-... is not an error it is just ignored
21:30
@Johannes_B: I already gave an 'answer' in a comment
21:57
Hi. Could you please help me with this question: How can I find out which font size is printed on the pdf output?
@EnthusiasticStudent I'm not sure I understand what you mean
@tohecz I have typeset my book
@EnthusiasticStudent yep
but my problem is that, the publisher requires me to have specific font size on section headers, subsection sizes, main text sizes, etc.
I have no idea what size is being used.
I have one code:
\changefontsizes[13pt]{12pt}
But it is not clear that which sizes are for the headers
they are arbitrary...
and
when I compare my text with published books
I see that the font size of the main and headers are pretty larger than those ones
although I have used that 12pt font.
I am seeking a way to specifically introduce font sizes to the latex
but I can't find a sure way.
Also, the previous books of the publisher is in word, not in LaTeX
22:25
@EnthusiasticStudent you can use \showoutput to get a symbolic representation of the output in the log (you might want to do it on a small document using the same headings as it makes a lot of output) don't put font sizes in the document but you can tune the section heading definitions to match whatever publishers ask for (note if they say pt they mean the unit tex calls pt) (or at least they probably do)
sorry should say " ...unit tex calls bp"
@DavidCarlisle sorry I am basic in latex. what does \showoutput do?
hhh
hhh
@DavidCarlisle now they suggest to use biblatex. My compilation and CFT's compilation are totally different. I use TexPad 1.4.7 in OSX, not sure because due to it.
@EnthusiasticStudent stick it in the preamble of a small document and look in the log, you'll get the idea:-)
@hhh the editor you use is irrelevant to what tex does with the file.
@hhh biblatex is new(ish) and has enthusiastic supporters but if you have a working bibtex setup there is no need to change everything just to change bibliography style
hhh
hhh
@DavidCarlisle I have earlier got urls I think even under bibtex...so I cannot understand why I should change to biblatex...
I am still inclined to think that I need to just use proper package to overcome this missing urls problem in the references.
(I don't have my old tex files at hand currently to look how I did it earlier, hmmmm....perhaps I need to go to home to check them up :)
(Initially I considered that this prob is going to be a peace of cake: for some reason, this whole cabooza is expanding too much...trying to keep it as simple as possible. Perhaps I put the urls earlier to Description/Field tag with some \url{...}?!

I think it is what I did eariler...
22:41
@hhh that's what I mean, if you want to try biblatex it's a fine system but you absolutely don't need to change systems just to choose a style with URL, cfr's answe suggested sone bibtex styles with a url field, do they not work for you?
hhh
hhh
No, you see the mess generated. I have no idea why the compilation is so different...
@hhh oh I see you posted some code, hang on I'll try it
hhh
hhh
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/35977/how-to-add-a-url-to-a-latex-bibtex-file

<-- I think this is a method I have earlier used it where references were converted to strings in the description.
@hhh where did you get bib types like @webpage and @electronic from? they are not standard document types. If they are written for a specific bib style they need to be used with that style
hhh
hhh
@DavidCarlisle BibDesk. I just chose them from there.
22:49
@hhh yes sure as I commented here before you posted the question you can put tex markup in the entries and bibtex just copies it to the generated latex.
hhh
hhh
?
@hhh well does bibdesk come with some accompanying style files? there is no point having a GUI front end making it easy to generate code that nothing can use? (that's a real question I have never used the system but if it generates entries for @webpage etc presumably it in in some expectation that the user has a bib file that knows that entry type
@hhh earlier today I said:
4 hours ago, by David Carlisle
@hhh plain style for bibtex was written before the web was invented, so doesn't know anything about url. You can use \href in the value of a field, and it will just pass it back to latex/hyperref to deal with (that may be what you want) but it doesn't have a URL field out of which it will construct a hyperlink automatically
@hhh so there I was suggesting \href but the example you just linked to with \url is the same, just putting latex markup for the link into the entries.
23:41
@PauloCereda ^^^^ :)
@SeanAllred thank you very much, now there's duck poo on my screen.
:D
@SeanAllred @PauloCereda will like that, it's just like vim, infuriating and hard to get out of without just killing the window

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