TeX, LaTeX and Friends

David Carlisle

00:00

@moose ready? it's been published since 1998 and a 2nd edition of mathml3 was published earlier this year. firefox has had good support since before it was firefox, IE/Mathplayer used to have very good support but they withdrew the API it used so it doesn''t work any more, the webkit implementation gets better gradually but that's just safari now as chrome forked off webkit, meanwhile mathjax implements it in javascript so fills in for all browsers

@moose w3.org/Math/Documents/mathml-history.html

moose

@DavidCarlisle Ah, I think I have to read en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MathML to get some knowledge about it. I just need math for some articles I write. This was the reason why I asked a MathJax developer once if mathjax would be less heavy (processing time and download time) if MathML would be supported by all browsers. The answer was "yes". So I assumend that browsers do not support MathML properly.

David Carlisle

@moose use firefox:-)

moose

@DavidCarlisle Haha :-) I want to provide a good user experience for as many users as I can get and that means I have to support IE + FF + Chrome (and I like chrome ;-P)

@DavidCarlisle I really enjoyed to talk with you, but I have to go home now (It will get dark soon and I don't feel comfortable to walk alone in the dark, although I was told that Pittsburgh is realatively secure for the US)

Bye!

David Carlisle

@moose sure I do same but I set things up to use firefox native or mathjax for everything else compare this URL in firefox where the math renders instantly and chrome where it has to get mathjax to do it, the result is nice but javascript is a lot slower than C++ nag.co.uk/numeric/FL/nagdoc_fl24/html/C09/c09intro.html

@moose bye:-)

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Uh-oh. :)

@egreg That's not fair. :(

@DavidCarlisle but I suspect it's dead. :)

David Carlisle

00:11

@PauloCereda it's not dead; it's just resting

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :)

@David: I wonder where's @Joseph right now. He wouldn't miss a MP reference. :)

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle Are you talking about arara?

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn Brent suggested Oxford Blue here but the conversation wandered a bit:-) chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/16236011#16236011

Alan Munn

00:28

@DavidCarlisle I hope it hasn't met the choir invisible.

Werner

05:48

What can be done about the following two questions?

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Q: How to write a book in LaTeX

I have taken a look at other questions, and I don't see any answer to my question. If this is a duplicate for some question I haven't seen, feel free to comment. I am an experienced TeX user, I've been writing with TeX for about 3-4 years now. I am pretty good with TikZ too. The problem is, all ...

books

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Q: How to write a book in LaTeX?

I wish to turn several of my blog article series into a PDF e-book but I have never used LaTeX before for creating books. For example, I want to take my Awk One-Liners Explained article series, improve it and turn it into a book. I'll probably start with this guide that I found - http://www.mat...

books

They're super-duper similar.

Joseph Wright

06:05

@Werner Dupe one to the other then do a merge?

Werner

@JosephWright A merge concatenates the answers?

Joseph Wright

@Werner Yes

Werner

@JosephWright I would be okay with that; could you have a read over the two questions to verify that they are similar/duplicates?

I only had a quick browse.

Joseph Wright

@Werner Isn't one specifically about converting a blog to an e-book?

I.e. similar answers but different questions

Werner

@JosephWright True, but it doesn't seem to be the target of the question / just mentioned "in passing". Almost a XY-style problem.

I could vote-to-close and see what the community says.

s__C

06:10

Hi,
Does any of you know how to correct the total number of slides in a beamer presentation when the bibliography expands on several slides?

erf. adding one compilation solved it...

bb010g

How should I get a readable C source of TeX? I can weave tex.web and read through that, but I'd like to see TeX with the major .ch files applied. (I also tried tangling the source, but it was a utter mess and I don't know of any Pascal formatters (e.g. Artistic Style).)

I tried looking around in the web2c directory, but I'm not sure how I should build it and there's no binary in my distro (Arch Linux w/ texlive-*).

Joseph Wright

06:26

@bb010g You don't: TeX's written in Pascal

@bb010g web2c is meant to make it compilable, not to produce code to read

bb010g

@JosephWright Doesn't web2c generate C from it, though? I can run that through Artistic Style or something similar (unless web2c mangles names).

Joseph Wright

@bb010g Of course it has to produce something, but not really 'for human consumption'. Like I say, TeX's written in Pascal (WEB): we are meant to read that (with comments, etc.)

bb010g

@JosephWright I'd still have the TeXified Pascal open, but I'm more comfortable with C and am working doing a port and thus want to see statements where they got put in the source vs. spread throughout a document. I know it may not flow as well, but one can work around it.

I'm mainly confused on how to set up web2c for compiling TeX.

Joseph Wright

07:16

@bb010g Did you look at e.g. tug.org/texlive/build.html?

fahdijbeli

morning

I have a problem with lyx, when I create sublist just I hit on the key TAB and if I want to leave the deeper sublist and became in the parent item but it create me a new item and I check it in the forum they told is to press on the TAB again to continue the current item , but for me it's not the caase

if I hit again on the key TAB it return in the deeper item

so how I can do it please

look at the second response tex.stackexchange.com/questions/34073/…

David Carlisle

08:16

@fahdijbeli I've never understood any wysiwyg processor for that sort of reason. That's why most of us here prefer to enter the markup directly in an editor rather than use a system like lyx to generate it, where you have a lot less control.

fahdijbeli

@DavidCarlisle yes you have reason , the problem is not me I don't want to use a markup but I haven't enough time to post my book intership in my university , if I go to do it with natively code it take me long time that's the problem

David Carlisle

@fahdijbeli sure good luck (sorry I can't actually help: never used lyx:-)

fahdijbeli

@DavidCarlisle thanks :)

@DavidCarlisle
\begin{itemize}
    \item JPA : blabla
\end{itemize}

here i want the JPA : in font bold

how I can do it

just JPA :

and the paragraph followed by it ,is normaly text

David Carlisle

@fahdijbeli easiest in latex is probably to use enumitem package and \begin{itemize}[font=\bfseries] in lyx I have no idea how to get that:-)

fahdijbeli

ok freind thanks

David Carlisle

08:40

@fahdijbeli oh sorry I misread I thought JPA was part of teh label (ot presumably ought to be so: \item[JPA] bla.... If you have it as it is then you could just do ` \item \textbf{JPA} : blabla`

fahdijbeli

09:00

ah ok I will try it @DavidCarlisle

egreg

09:13

Spam alert: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/186329/…

Joseph Wright

@egreg Already zapped

egreg

@JosephWright :) We're having more than the usual amount, don't we?

Joseph Wright

@egreg Yes

Alan Munn

12:10

Does MikTeX have kpsewhich?

egreg

@AlanMunn I think so. Can't check, though. ;-)

Alan Munn

@egreg Because I realize that many of our answers that involve making local modified copies of files in the standard distribution become dated when we give a full path relative to the TeX Live distribution year that we answered the question in. For experienced users, this isn't a problem; they know to change the year appropriately, but for total newbies, it's not so obvious. Giving a solution using kpsewhich would be much more reliable for them.

egreg

12:27

@AlanMunn True.

Alan Munn

@egreg But to answer my original question, it seems that MikTeX does have it: tex.stackexchange.com/q/97157/2693

@DavidCarlisle What's the difference between England and a teabag? The teabag stays longer in the cup. :)

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn which reminds me, I ought to look how the cricket's going

@AlanMunn yeh! British weather looks like it might save us. Pray for more rain...

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle Rain all morning here in Chicago, but I suppose that won't help.

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn we're on 83-5 which is heading to an all time record low score, so anything even slightly improbable is welcome:-) (half the team out for 83 runs and we need to make 350....) Or it rains all day and is declared a draw:-)

Alan Munn

12:43

@DavidCarlisle Oh wow. I didn't realize things were so bad. So it's been a fine week for England in sports indeed.

egreg

Another green tick stolen. :-D

David Carlisle

@egreg most undeserved

@egreg is the font itself no good or just the fd file? I note you suggest re-instating cmex ?

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Latin Modern supplies only lmex10, while cmex is available in more optical sizes.

David Carlisle

@egreg they should just rename the fonts for consistency to l.... and fix the fd (fixing the fd not to use a fixed size would be good in any case)

David Carlisle

13:50

more rain needed: Eng 145-6

egreg

14:03

@DavidCarlisle A runner did almost as much as five before him did?

cslstr

@DavidCarlisle Do you have any thoughts about the \vbox question I pose in my edit to tex.stackexchange.com/questions/186350 ?

David Carlisle

@cslstr mainly that I hadn't seen it (and nor will most other people:-) it's better to ask a new question than edit a second question into an existing one. Question edits should just be clarifications, adding exam oles etc, not new questions. anyway I'll look now:-)

@cslstr vbox isn't latex syntax if course but why there? I'd have to look at fancyhdr code (not now) but I would have thought it was expecting \headrule to only take up \headrulewidth vertical space, but in any case the vertical extent needs to fit in \headheight but you've not set that?

@egreg more:-) 5 are out for a total of 48, Moeen's still batting on 51:-)

What we need is a cricket playing duck....

Oh look one just arrived.

egreg

14:27

@DavidCarlisle A duck will almost certainly bat better. :P

cslstr

@DavidCarlisle Your point is valid (of course); I'll make it a new question.

@DavidCarlisle I understand \vbox is tex, not latex; it seemed more appropriate in this instance... I will have to look at what \headheight is set to in this case.

David Carlisle

@cslstr well you just post the code without saying what it's trying to do, it appears to be trying to put some space around the rule in which case using vspace is probably more natural.

David Carlisle

14:43

@cslstr I made an answer, not sure if it's what you want:-)

@JosephWright been following the color xetex special discussions on tl list?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Yes: I have a feeling it's the .def file (again)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I haven't looked at the code but the suggested patches involving q and Q suggest usual problem of the graphics state restore happening at a different place from the save... But the there were suggestions there were problems in the driver itself so I stopped following:-)

oops 7 wickets gone :(

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle The issue can be that the config files are used without people really noticing: I see that Ulrike is OK with MiKTeX but that may just be a config file difference not a binary one

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :)

cslstr

@DavidCarlisle The \nointerlineskip was the key that I was missing. Without it, just a regular \rule{}{} does exactly what I thought it would...

Alan Munn

14:56

@JosephWright I'm trying to add a 1 rep user to a chat, but I get user doesn't exist, even though they have a registered account: stackexchange.com/users/4652705/latexnewbie Any suggestions?

@JosephWright When I paste their TeX.sx user URL, I don't get the error, but they don't show up in the list of people with access either.

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn TeX-sx page for the user?

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Yes. That gives no error, but nothing happens. If I use their Network profile URL, (the one I pasted to you) I get user not found.

Heiko Oberdiek

@JosephWright Spammer: tex.stackexchange.com/users/56013/ling

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Odd

@HeikoOberdiek Zapped

David Carlisle

15:26

@cslstr but you gave the tick to herbert:-) latex \rule is a box so aligned on baseline spacing normally whereas a primitive \hrule is not.

cslstr

@DavidCarlisle I did, thought you might not notice :) My solution ended up being closer to his formulation... But I suppose yours might truly have been "most helpful", which is technically the definition to go by... #EthicalDilemma

Brent.Longborough

@DavidCarlisle Ah! Schrödinger's parrot, after Monty Python opened the box...

David Carlisle

@cslstr don't worry I'm used to it, @egreg regularly encourages people to divert ticks away from me

3 hours ago, by egreg

Another green tick stolen. :-D

fahdijbeli

16:19

please someone have an idea tex.stackexchange.com/questions/186398/…

for my problem

I want to stop the enumeration of later chapter

if I make Chapter 9 Hello ,

I want an output Hello

without the word Chapter 9

because the later chapter gereral conclusion should be without word chapter

Alan Munn

16:41

@fahdijbeli Did you check the answer linked to in the comments? That should solve your problem.

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Is the dupe chain here right (useful)? LyX really needs a separate answer I'd imagine

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Yes, LyX does complicate things a bit. The comment to the LyX version should actually be converted into an answer and the question not marked as a duplicate probably. Since it's @Werner 's comment we could ask him to convert if you reopen the question.

fahdijbeli

@AlanMunn yes it solve my problem thanks :)

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Both steps done

Alan Munn

@fahdijbeli Glad it worked for you.

fahdijbeli

16:45

@AlanMunn how I can vote for its response

there isn't a button ?

David Carlisle

228-9 :(

Alan Munn

@fahdijbeli Well the linked question doesn't yet have an answer (although it will have one soon.) You could check back in a day or so to see if there's an answer then and then vote for that person's answer. Your question will likely be closed as a duplicate of that one when that one has an answer.

fahdijbeli

ah ok thanks

friend

Stephan Lehmke

It seems the Italians are trying to pass the match by lying down on the turf ;-)

Paulo Cereda

17:04

Prandelli looks like Loki.

fahdijbeli

@StephanLehmke lol

it's a way to win the "match" lol

see you

Stephan Lehmke

@fahdijbeli They only need a draw so making sure nothing at all happens is an option ;-)

Paulo Cereda

Penalty?

@Stephan: in WC'98, they portrayed the Brazilian team as a group of soldiers, and the coach said that his intention was to "draw" the war. :)

@David: Chile vs. Brazil. What now? :)

Red card!

David Carlisle

17:37

@PauloCereda Eng 237-9 (7 overs left)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle eek

David Carlisle

@JosephWright century!

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Wow

Stephan Lehmke

So Italy has 9 minutes left in the WC now...

The Uruguayans are eating them alive

Joseph Wright

@StephanLehmke The big question is Is anyone watching the England goal here in the UK? :-)

Stephan Lehmke

17:46

@JosephWright Which goal?

Joseph Wright

@StephanLehmke Oops, s/goal/game/g

David Carlisle

@JosephWright stick to cricket, the terminology is easier

Stephan Lehmke

@JosephWright All busy watching Cricket. Probably the Russians are investing in the wrong sport in England ;-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Yes

Stephan Lehmke

Wow. At least the Germans now are in good company if they have to go too. Leave the Cup to the Americans.

David Carlisle

17:59

@StephanLehmke Eng 248-9 (1.5 overs left)

Stephan Lehmke

@DavidCarlisle So are they winning?

David Carlisle

@StephanLehmke surviving has been the issue, we're still 100 runs behind but of we can survive 9 more balls it's a draw:-)

@JosephWright arrrrrrg

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :-(

David Carlisle

@JosephWright couldn't have gone closer to the wire

Stephan Lehmke

@JosephWright Has there been a problem with the surviving thing?

David Carlisle

18:12

@StephanLehmke after playing for 5 days we just had to survive 2 more balls but....

Fifa Earth Cup 2014

18:24

Earth Cup Tournament: youtube.com/watch?v=8ijop2gU_S4

egreg

18:40

I was out for a job, did I miss something? /ducks

egreg

19:01

Let's say that Uruguay has bitten us. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg LOL

egreg

@PauloCereda That Suárez guy is crazy: he has done that at least twice, before today.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Indeed!

egreg

He should be banned from the World Cup. This one and the next.

@PauloCereda I watched the match at my department, the room was full of people. Our students are very good organizers for this kind of events.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Cool. :) Buffon was brilliant.

And Marchisio... oh boy.

egreg

19:09

@PauloCereda Marchisio didn't play well; but nobody gets a red card for that. Let's hope that Mexico loses its referee in the World Cup, for the sake of the game.

Let's face it: Italy deserved to be thrown out. Not in this way.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Give me Marchisio, I can give you Fred. What a deal! :)

egreg

@PauloCereda No, thanks. We already have Balotelli.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Ouch.

egreg

Train arriving, see you later

cgnieder

19:42

@PauloCereda I see your German is getting better! :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda Yet another ducbit: facebook.com/IFeakingLoveScience/photos/…

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Paulo Cereda

@cgnieder :)

@tohecz LOL

tohecz

@PauloCereda :)

Werner

20:04

@AlanMunn @JosephWright Done.

Werner

20:57

@DavidCarlisle: Quick confirmation, please...

...longtable can only break at a row-boundary...

...not mid-row.

So if you have a row that contains a big block of text, and this block of text is bigger (taller) than the text block, then you're S-O-L in terms of breaking it "properly". Correct?

@DavidCarlisle: Sorry, this is verified in the documentation (p 3; the paragraph text in the table).

tohecz

@Werner yes, correct. That would be way too complicated to have an output routine for such a trick

Werner

@tohecz ...damn output routine not being complicated enough!

tohecz

@Werner the one for LT? Have you seen it? :D

Werner

@tohecz I'll leave that for my bed-time reading... ;)

No, I haven't.

egreg

@Werner Paragraph columns are typeset in a box. You'd need to examine all cells in the current row and decide where to split all of them; and it doesn't make sense anyway, does it?

Werner

21:11

@egreg I know... splitting tables across the page boundary doesn't.

It's for a project I'm working on, where people used tables that need to split across multiple page boundaries.

Ick.

tohecz

@egreg well, you could use a similar algorithm than the one for footnotes maybe, but it would be sooo bad

egreg

@Werner Those big three column tables that should be simply text subdivided with \section and \subsection?

Werner

21:23

@egreg Big, two-column tables... you mention "those". Which ones are you referring to?

egreg

@Werner That kind; big lists for projects where in the first column there's a title and the second column is the description: \subsection.

Werner

@egreg Yes, those kind... Ick.

egreg

@PauloCereda This afternoon a student came in my office; the radio was playing a piece by Albinoni and he tried with Vivaldi, which was a good shot. So we came to discuss a bit about music and I discovered he likes Čajkovskij and, particularly, the sledghehammer piano concerto. I was uncertain whether giving him the certificate for the LaTeX course. ;-)

@Werner With the compulsory rules running all page long. :(

Werner

@egreg Double-ick.

...and shading as well.

David Carlisle

@Werner yes:-)

Alan Munn

21:34

@egreg :)

David Carlisle

@Werner a work of literature and refinement.

@tohecz i have a feeling that for the special case that there is just one p column where you want to allow breaking I may have an answer on site somewhere, but really 99 times out of a hundred those things should be set as a list.

tohecz

@DavidCarlisle well, I know it :)

Werner

@DavidCarlisle I'm interested...

David Carlisle

@Werner well I'm sure I coded it once, but it might have been in my document (unlikely I never use tables:-) or on here or c.t.t sometime in the last 20 years or so,,,,

TRiG

21:49

I'm told that a TeX source of Doug Zongker's chicken paper is available to download, but my Google-fu is not availing me.

Does anyone here know where to find it?

David Carlisle

@Werner no idea if thi sworks but google (by way of old answers here) suggests uucode.com/blog/2010/12/06/…

Alan Munn

Wow! Greece has just gone through to the next round with a penalty kick at the last minute of injury time!

Werner

22:04

@DavidCarlisle That's a pretty definitive target...

@DavidCarlisle ...who wrote that? Oh, I clicked some of the links: Oleg Parashchenko

egreg

@TRiG Write a paper and use the chickenize package (requires LuaLaTeX).

@TRiG You could use some automatic paper generator: pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen

Here's my attempt

Here is the start of the Bibliography, er, Chicken

TRiG

@egreg You mean it's actually built in? Cool.

egreg

@TRiG No, I generated the paper and added \usepackage{chickenize}\chickenize

TRiG

@egreg Which just replaces stuff with chickens?

egreg

22:20

@TRiG Not all words, as you see; a bit more various than that paper. ;-)

TRiG

> Along these same lines, chicken chicken the chicken we verify chicken chicken chicken Chicken chicken unification chicken the lookaside chicken chicken XML.

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