TeX, LaTeX and Friends

@HarishKumar Hm tricky question. :) About #1, I think detexify covers symbos-A4.pdf, so we might say #2 is also related, unless we are talking about other obscure symbols. I'd rewrite the proposed list to #1, symbols available in a big list, #2 symbols that are provided via packages that might have side effects and influence others, and #3 symbols that are new and drawn from scratch. :)

Harish Kumar

12:52 AM

@PauloCereda: About #2. That is another issue. I want to use only one symbol from (say) Mnsymbol package!. So that should be 4 totally. My item 2 is some thing like this: tex.stackexchange.com/q/142372/11232

and this: tex.stackexchange.com/a/86077/11232

@HarishKumar: this is a job for our experts. :)

I'm going to bed now, I'll have a very long Friday. :P Have a good day, @Harish! :) And good night too. :P

Harish Kumar

and I feel that #2 is not related to 1 as it involves some hackery on existing symbols with rotation/reflect etc.

@PauloCereda Good night Paulo. Sweet dreams ;-)

2:57 AM

@HarishKumar True, although there's a lot of such hackery covered in the LaTeX Symbol Guide. I.e, there's a whole section on how to create your own symbols. (This is also a reason why Detexify isn't actually a full substitute for that document.)

texenthusiast

7:07 AM

@HarishKumar thanks for the meta question and @Werner for a detailed answer :)

Werner

7:41 AM

@texenthusiast I see you tested it somewhat...?

topskip

9:29 AM

@all My ctan history is now in beta:

ctanmirror.speedata.de

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9:41 AM

@topskip Yay!

9:55 AM

I got a badge for saying @egreg's answer was terse

Forkrul Assail

10:23 AM

@DavidCarlisle, did he get one for his 'art' commentary?

@ForkrulAssail A prominent example of “primitive art”.

Forkrul Assail

hehehe

I love this site

@egreg You are just jealous that you are stuck on a Mac and so don't have available the awesome artistic creative force that is Microsoft Paint.

@DavidCarlisle I deeply regret Apple has abandoned MacDraw.

Silex

@DavidCarlisle Did you just use MS Paint and 'awesome artistic creative force' in the same sentence? Everything OK?

10:31 AM

@Silex Seems legit. :)

Gotta love that house! :) — Paulo Cereda 47 mins ago

@DavidCarlisle: To be honest, I was expecting picture mode, like the airplane drawing. :)

Torbjørn T.

@Silex Never underestimate the power of Paint.

@PauloCereda I would have done it all in picture mode but site rules indicate that you should at least make some pretence of bothering to answer the OP's question, which was about \includegraphics

@DavidCarlisle Ah. :)

@DavidCarlisle ^^

@TorbjørnT. Awesome

@PauloCereda The power of what?

10:46 AM

@MarcoDaniel the power of Christ compels you! /throws holy water

:)

@PauloCereda :-)

@MarcoDaniel It's been a while since we had some editor flaming in here. :)

10:59 AM

@PauloCereda vim can only do a house, emacs can animate three towers

@PauloCereda Indeed. Time for a new candidate ;-)

@DavidCarlisle Are you playing Hanoi? :)

C-u 10 M-x hanoi

@DavidCarlisle: oh no, @Marco wants to present another editor!

@PauloCereda there is no other

11:01 AM

@DavidCarlisle Agreed! Vim rocks!

:)

Wait for minerva. :)

As I studied, I got Hanoi blocks to determine the algorithm.

12:01 PM

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 |_________|  ____  |__________|
  | ______ | / || \ | _______ |
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  ||--+---|| |    | ||---+---||
  ||__|___|| |   o| ||___|___||
  |========| |____| |=========|
 (^^-^^^^^-|________|-^^^--^^^)
 (,, , ,, ,/________\,,,, ,, ,)
','',,,,' /__________\,,,',',;;

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                          (   )
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                           (    )
                          (    )
                            )  )
                           (  (                  /\
                            (_)                 /  \  /\
                    ________[_]________      /\/    \/  \
           /\      /\        ______    \    /   /\/\  /\/\
          /  \    //_\       \    /\    \  /\/\/    \/    \
   /\    / /\/\  //___\       \__/  \    \/
  /  \  /\/    \//_____\       \ |[]|     \

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Moar houses! :P

@PauloCereda OMG

@MarcoDaniel David should update his answer and use verbatim to insert these houses. :)

@PauloCereda Indeed!

user43418

12:18 PM

hello

I have a question

how do I adjust the size for the \mid variable ?

it seems that \left \right doesn't work

A: How to get a vertical bar which is longer than \mid ?

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\middle should work in any current system. But it needs accompaigning \left+\right. Like braces in \left/right it will adapt its size to the size of the content: \documentclass[a4paper,10pt]{article} \begin{document} $\left\{a\middle|a\right.$ $\left\{\int \middle|\int\right.$ $\int\mid \int$ ...

Perhaps this question might work.

Q: acronym option passed at the class level rather than to the (glossaries) package level doesn't work

@egreg Sorry, I forgot to tag you in my comment.

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I was pretty sure that options (including unknown ones) passed at the class level were also passed to the loaded packages. Hence I don't understand why the following MCE works like a charm: \documentclass{article} \usepackage[acronym,nomain]{glossaries} \makeglossaries \newacronym{at}{at}{Acrony...

@NicolaTalbot Which means that it's not really considered as a package option, I fear. So it's not evaluated when passed as a global option.

@egreg Do you think this is an issue with all key=value type of class/package options?

12:33 PM

Yay, I got a duck Pokémon!

That's it, I'll make my team all of ducks.

@PauloCereda You like Pokemon, but not One Piece -- No I am sad ;-)

One Piece has also a duck named Carue: onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Carue

@MarcoDaniel Hey I don't like Pokémon. :) I play it because it's long enough to keep me busy during my trips to São Paulo. :)

@MarcoDaniel hmmm a duck...

@PauloCereda I've ordered a cake with a duck on it for my book launch :-)

@NicolaTalbot ooh! Really?!

Photos please. :)

@NicolaTalbot I don't think so, but it's apparent that if an option is not declared, it's not evaluated.

12:37 PM

@MarcoDaniel: I might take a look at One Piece. :)

@PauloCereda I'm collecting it a week tomorrow so I'll take some photos then :-)

@PauloCereda When you drive to São Paulo?

@NicolaTalbot See \DeclareBoolOption in kvopt.

@egreg Almost never. :) I have no skills yet, traffic is very intense, and a wrong turn might give me a big headache (not to mention extra tolls).

@PauloCereda So you're going by bus?

@egreg Yes, it's way cheaper, the time is basically the same and I can spend my time reading and playing stuff. :)

I usually drive to São Paulo once three months. :)

12:41 PM

@egreg Hmm, that's going to take me forever to replace all the xkeyval code with kvopt code. It would be more convenient to find a way to make the xkeyval code declare options properly, if possible.

@NicolaTalbot just catching the end of this but the list of global options is available so you can pass it to your keyval handler "by hand" if you want

@DavidCarlisle That would be useful, thanks. I could do it as a temporary measure in glossaries but ideally it would be best if the xkeyval package fixed this, rather than package authors having to patch it.

2:08 PM

@NicolaTalbot I take no blame for x keyval. (Are you coming tomorrow by the way?)

@DavidCarlisle Maybe the cake is for tomorrow. :)

@JosephWright: any link for watching it live?

2:25 PM

@egreg: I'm afraid I don't see the point of arara. My use of rubber is to be able to compile my documents without thinking on the sequence of compilation. I feel like arara is just a specialized make program, and I don't see the difference with having a Makefile. Of course, I am aware no tool can be perfect for the compilation (some weird situations are not properly treated), but my goal is to have something which works almost each time. — Bruno 2 hours ago

If my goal is to have something that works all the time, I do need to know what I want. :)

@PauloCereda I really can't understand what he said.

@egreg Neither can I. :) I'm not trying to defend arara or latexmk or rubber, but there are some wrong premises going on here.

@DavidCarlisle :-) (Yes, I am.)

@NicolaTalbot ooh will there be cake? :)

@PauloCereda We'll have to ask @JosephWright who has opportunely just arrived :-)

2:34 PM

@egreg I think the point is that with arara you have to make a deliberate decision on what to run, which rubber avoids at the cost of control

@PauloCereda 'Fraid not

@PauloCereda I will be recording the sound

@JosephWright How nice! Got a mic?

@PauloCereda Yes

@JosephWright Cool! Which one?

@PauloCereda BLUE Yeti

Quite big but looks good for meetings, etc.

@JosephWright Awesome!

2:36 PM

@PauloCereda Let's see how it sounds!

@JosephWright So, what's the use of rubber?

@Nicola: if I were in the UK, I'd be in front of the place you guys will be, dressed as a duck, with lots of pamphlets written, "Listen to the duck: use TeX!" :)

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@PauloCereda Quick, get one of those last minute cheap flights! :-)

@NicolaTalbot I still need a duck costume. :P

@PauloCereda What? You mean you haven't got one already? You'll have to put one on your Christmas list :-)

2:41 PM

@NicolaTalbot I'm looking for a duck hat, at least. :)

►

@PauloCereda ^^^

@NicolaTalbot Oh my! <3

@egreg I guess that you don't have to think so much, or at least that's the implication of the comment

@NicolaTalbot: meanwhile, youtube.com/watch?v=RXUklSIocLU :)

Das Ente! :)

@PauloCereda Oh no! I'm not going to get that tune out of my head now!

2:53 PM

@NicolaTalbot Welcome to my world. :)

@PauloCereda Yesterday I watched "The Penguin Pool Murder". They should've made a sequel called "The Duck Pond Murder"!

@NicolaTalbot oh my!

@PauloCereda Interesting that one of the related links on the side is for Jaws. Perhaps there's a duck version. Quick, get out of the water. It's a duck!

@NicolaTalbot oooh! :) Killer duck!

@PauloCereda ^^^

3:05 PM

@NicolaTalbot Wow!

Beware of the ducks! :)

3:21 PM

@PauloCereda Particularly of the explosive ones!

@egreg :)

3:46 PM

@egreg: xpatch is fantastic. I just patched svmono.cls with just one line of code in my .tex file instead of editing the original document class. :)

4:41 PM

@PauloCereda Why svmono?

@MarcoDaniel A request from the course I'm taking.

:(

But it looks cool.

There are document classes which I would never use. ;-)

@PauloCereda Wait till next version of svmono changes the definition of that command. ;-)

@MarcoDaniel LOL

@egreg There won't be next version for me. :P This is the first and last attempt. :)

Do we have a canonical answer for "use setspace"?

4:45 PM

Great, now we have UHDTV.

5:20 PM

@egreg Rubber is like latexmk as far as I can tell: it figures out what needs to be run, and runs it. They do different things. I use latexmk and arara, but for different purposes.

@AlanMunn I repeat what I said to the questioner: % arara: latexmk ;-)

@egreg Oh, I didn't see that part. Yes, that's one way, isn't it. On a Mac it's a bit of extra overhead that's not worthwhile one supposes.

@egreg, @Alan: I believe rubber is, in some respects, more similar to latexmk than arara, but it's not maintained anymore. I think latexmk is the way to go if the OP is looking for automatic compilation. Trying to patch rubber to make things work is not straightforward.

@PauloCereda Yes, that's my impression too. And John Collins does a great job of maintaining latexmk.

@AlanMunn 100% agreed. :) The arara maintainer, on the other hand, is lazy. :P

5:33 PM

@PauloCereda I've heard he is playing with svmono ;-)

@MarcoDaniel That bastard. :)

@PauloCereda Yeah, right. ;-)

@AlanMunn True. Ask about arara 4. :)

5:46 PM

@PauloCereda So, when's arara 4 expected? :)

@AlanMunn Good question. :) Maybe some day in the next year. :)

@PauloCereda You should say "some day in March" (without specifying which March).

@egreg That's like the bureaucrat who leaves a jacket hanging on his chair, so that when someone comes by and asks where he is, someone can say "He's not here right now, but there's his coat". :)

@egreg :)

Hey, what happened to the Marienplatz names meta question? It seems to have disappeared.

Q: Good math bed-time stories for children?

6:02 PM

@AlanMunn Apparently, some ~~grumpy~~ outsider mod came here and deleted it: meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/3923/…

That's the kind of interference I don't like.

Oh wait, I take it back. Apparently it was per request!

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What are some good references/books/articles from which to derive some good bed-time math stories to pique a child's interest in math? I am fascinated by math (used to hate it as a kid) and want my kids to be curious about it and fond of playing with the subject. I was thinking a good way would ...

reference-request soft-question math-history big-list teaching

@PauloCereda I can see the point, even though the list I came up with was just using publicly available information. I don't think the old question about the Moderator name should have been deleted, since it has more general value.

@AlanMunn Indeed.

Q: Why did the chicken cross the Möbius strip? A: to get to the same side! ba dum tss

8:20 PM

lalalalalalalalalalalalalala

@PauloCereda Where's the Junk button?

@MarcoDaniel the what?

@MarcoDaniel Ah I don't use Mail anymore. :)

@MarcoDaniel are you sure your solution to the postnote comma problem works as the OP wants? Doesn't that simply remove the space after the comma that separates the postnote itself from the rest of the citation?

8:24 PM

@AlanMunn I tried it:

\RequirePackage{filecontents}
\begin{filecontents}{TestLit.bib}
@article{dR80a,
   author = {David~E. Rumelhart},
   title = {On Evaluating Story Grammars},
   journal = {Cognitive Science},
   pages = {313-316},
   year = {1980},
   volume = {4},
   }
\end{filecontents}

\documentclass{article}

\usepackage[ngerman]{babel}%dt.Silbentrennung

\usepackage[style=authortitle-icomp,autocite=footnote]{biblatex}
\addbibresource{TestLit.bib}
\renewcommand*{\postnotedelim}{\addcomma}

\begin{document}

@PauloCereda No? I With the new OS I switched to Mail

@MarcoDaniel I used it for a while, but I still prefer Thunderbird. :)

Besides, that airplane woooosh sound scares the bejesus outta me.

@MarcoDaniel It's not doing what you think it's doing. It's just printing the list as typed.

@AlanMunn Here's my output

@MarcoDaniel Sure, now try putting spaces into the source. They won't be removed in the output.

8:40 PM

@AlanMunn Indeed. Please try: \renewcommand*{\postnotedelim}{,}

@MarcoDaniel That just removes the comma between the citation title and the "S." :(

@MarcoDaniel The problem is that unless biblatex recognizes one of the few page range patterns it knows (mainly n-m type) it simply passes the postnote argument on without modification. That's why I think this is an unreasonable request on the part of the OP.

@AlanMunn Really?

@MarcoDaniel See the discussion on p. 112 of the biblatex manual.

@AlanMunn I don't think so. At your referenced page you can find the sentence: If it fails, a second test is performed to find out if the postnote is a range or a list of Arabic or Roman numerals.. Well I think this is a list of arabic numbers.

@MarcoDaniel Sure, but I think the recognition of a list of pages only triggers the prefixation of the pages abbreviation (in this case S.)

8:51 PM

@AlanMunn I noticed an other issue related to the spaces:

\RequirePackage{filecontents}
\begin{filecontents}{TestLit.bib}
@article{dR80a,
   author = {David~E. Rumelhart},
   title = {On Evaluating Story Grammars},
   journal = {Cognitive Science},
   pages = {313-316},
   year = {1980},
   volume = {4},
   }
\end{filecontents}

\documentclass{article}

\usepackage[ngerman]{babel}%dt.Silbentrennung

\usepackage[style=authortitle-icomp,autocite=footnote]{biblatex}
\addbibresource{TestLit.bib}
\begin{document}
%default
\autocite[34,39]{dR80a}

\autocite[ 34,39 ]{dR80a}

@MarcoDaniel Right, and that's consistent with it just passing along anything it can't recognize. (Although in this example, it might qualify as a bug.)

@AlanMunn I think a bug ;-)

@AlanMunn I don't think. It seems to be a global issue:

\documentclass{article}

\usepackage[ngerman]{babel}%dt.Silbentrennung

\usepackage[style=authortitle-icomp,autocite=footnote]{biblatex}
\addbibresource{TestLit.bib}
\begin{document}
%default
\autocite[34]{dR80a}

\autocite[ 34]{dR80a}

%modification
\renewcommand*{\postnotedelim}{\addcomma}
\autocite[34]{dR80a}

\autocite[ 34 ]{dR80a}
\end{document}

Time for dinner ;-)

@MarcoDaniel Hamburger! :)

9:17 PM

@PauloCereda I had a fantastic fried sole at lunch. :) Light dinner, instead.

@egreg :) I had a steak for lunch and soup for dinner. :)

@PauloCereda Not to mention tagliatelle with shrimps as first course for lunch.

@egreg ooh!

@egreg I forgot to mention to you that I went to a concert recently:
Primosch: A Flutist’s Sketchbook [World Premiere/PCMS Commission]
Carter: Piano Sonata
Wernick: Pieces of Eight [World Premiere/PCMS Commission]
Copland: Duo for Flute and Piano

@AlanMunn Why didn't you invite me? :P

9:25 PM

@egreg But tonight's concert will be more to your liking: Hagen Quartet playing Beethoven.

@AlanMunn No Iron Maiden?

:)

@PauloCereda The closest I ever got to Iron Maiden was this:

Apocalyptica

Apocalyptica is a Finnish metal band from Helsinki, formed in 1993. The band is composed of classically trained cellists Eicca Toppinen, Paavo Lötjönen, and Perttu Kivilaakso (all three of whom are graduates of the Sibelius Academy in Helsinki) and drummer Mikko Sirén. Originally a Metallica tribute band, their music borrows elements from a wide variety of genres including classical music, neoclassical metal, speed metal, alternative metal, post-grunge, hard rock, progressive metal, thrash metal and symphonic metal. History Apocalyptica was formed in 1993 when four cellists, Eicca Top...

I saw them in Berlin.

Oh my, I'll take a look.

9:45 PM

@AlanMunn Look what you did. I'm getting their discography.

@topskip Yay Patrick is here!

topskip

@PauloCereda with only half an ear (watching tv, baking a cake )

@topskip oooh which flavour?

@egreg: we have dessert! :) ^^

topskip

@PauloCereda tv? imdb.com/title/tt2103085 cake? Marble cake

Marble cake

A marble cake is a cake with a streaked or mottled appearance (like marble) achieved by very lightly blending light and dark batter. It can be a mixture of vanilla and chocolate cake, in which case it is mainly vanilla, with streaks of chocolate. Other possibilities are strawberry or other fruit flavors, or (particularly in marbled coffee cakes) cinnamon and/or other spices. The first print references to marble cake begin appearing in the last quarter of the 19th century. One popular variation of this recipe during Victorian times was “Harlequin cake,” which was baked with checkerboard ...

@topskip ‘Carrara marble cake’ would be rather tough.

10:00 PM

@egreg Only syntax can decide that for sure.

@AlanMunn ‘Carrara “marble cake”’ or ‘“Carrara marble” cake’? That's the problem.

@AlanMunn So I can't eat the cake? :(

@PauloCereda Do you prefer the first or the second variant?