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@DavidCarlisle All these solutions will make huge pages that I will need to crop to content later, right? (I know I said page size doesn't matter for as long as content fits, I just want to make sure. The standalone document class crops to content nicely but I can't have proper multiple pages with it. But I was originally planning separate documents for each bit anyway.)
@Kasper yes I know but not the version from Peter Jipsen's site (I'm on the mathjax steering committee:-)
@Szabolcs nope if you \shipout a box it should just be the size of the box (I think, it's been a while) in anycase you could force \pdfpagexxx to be the size of the box before shipping out.
@DavidCarlisle Oh didn't know that. Nice. But are there many differences with the version from Peter Jipsen's site ?
@Kasper well the input parser is basically the same but morphed into a mathjax "input jax" so that it can be used with any of the mathjax back ends (native mathml. html+css, svg) rather than directly targetting a native mathml browser.
@DavidCarlisle Actually I get the same page size for each page with this method. Could you please give some guidance with forcing the page size to be the box size ... ?
@DavidCarlisle At least the Plain TeX output routine says \vbox to\vsize and then adds the headline and footline. So if \vsize is \maxdimen adding header and footer will make a larger box than \maxdimen. I think it's the same in LaTeX
00:08
I only had this in the preamble:
\documentclass{minimal}
\textwidth=10cm
\textheight=0.5\maxdimen
@egreg yes although a box bigger than maxdimen isn't necessarily an error (although apparently is here)
@Szabolcs You still build a very high vbox
@Szabolcs yes in a bit (or maybe @egreg will amuse himself by beating me to it)
@DavidCarlisle Not for shipping it out.
@egreg as I noticed:-)
00:10
@egreg The page sizes it generates seem to be standard (default letter size)
@Szabolcs That's what you see, because you don't change \pdfpageheight.
@DavidCarlisle I was trying to use the asciimathml together with mathjax, as I kind of like some it is features, and I thought about taking notes with this language. But not having a display mode is real bad downside.
@Szabolcs In the answer I referred to, I change also \pdfpageheight.
I wonder how long it would take to learn enough LaTeX to be able to do these non-standard things with a reasonable success rate ... I'm a bit ashamed that it's the only thing that I've used for a long time without understanding much of it. But I'm pretty sure that most people who use it are in the same situation.
@Szabolcs vvv
00:14
It's a pity that the standard books on it are not free.
\documentclass{article}
\hoffset-1in
\voffset-1in

\begin{document}

\setbox0\vbox{\hsize5cm
a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a
a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a}
\pdfpageheight\dimexpr\ht0+\dp0\relax
\pdfpagewidth\wd0
\shipout\box0


\setbox0\vbox{\hsize10cm
b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b
b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b}
\pdfpageheight\dimexpr\ht0+\dp0\relax
\pdfpagewidth\wd0
\shipout\box0


\stop
@Szabolcs 27 years
Thank you David and egreg, very very helpful, as always!
@Szabolcs Here it is:
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[latin]{babel}
\usepackage{geometry}
\geometry{paperwidth=12cm,paperheight=\maxdimen,margin=2cm}

\usepackage{lipsum}

\textwidth=8cm
\begin{document}
\setbox0=\vbox{
\lipsum[1-5]
}
\dimen0=\dp0
\pdfpageheight=\dimexpr\ht0+4cm\relax
\ifdim\pdfpageheight<12cm \pdfpageheight=12cm \fi
\unvbox0\kern-\dimen0

\end{document}
@Szabolcs This has a minimum height of 12 cm; just remove the \ifdim line if you don't want a minimum.
Got that part, thank you!
:12035383 or rather the default reference point is 1in in from the top left corner, hence setting voffset and hoffset to -1in in my code above to put it at the corner of the page
00:20
Thanks again, I must run home now, or dinner will get cold and my wife will get very grumpy! Bye everyone
@Kasper Haha, it does this automatic \left and \right kind of thing. And it also seems to do this correctly. Try: (\sum_(n=1)^oo)
00:33
@90intuition For some reason it does in matml mode, but not in html-css mode, then you get the old problem: plnkr.co/edit/C8KfxxhjVG9EV8HX7iUh?p=preview
@Kasper works for me in all three modes
<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
<head>
<script type="text/javascript"
  src="http://cdn.mathjax.org/mathjax/latest/MathJax.js?config=AM_HTMLorMML-full">
</script>
</head>
<body>

`(\sum_(n=1)^oo)`

</body>
</html>
@DavidCarlisle I mean the problem that mico here adresses: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/141858/…
For me with the matml rendering, the parenthesis, are a little bit smaller, than with standard \left \right parenthesis
So in somse sense, the matml rendering does it perfect.
@Kasper well that depends on what browser you are using, what fonts you have installed and the phase of the moon, you have to let go a bit of control on the web, this isn't TeX:-)
00:48
@DavidCarlisle hahah maybe
But I would like to have control over the display math option with ascii mathml, I'm trying to get ... to work as display asciimathml.
@Kasper davide did this in an answer here:
(not tried it but he's usually right:-)
@DavidCarlisle Thanks !
bed time
01:07
Good night!
going to bed as well
bye :)
01:22
hey @rm-rf
What brings you here?
@Szabolcs I linger around here sometimes :)
Mostly to bug the experts for last minute document tweaking :D
 
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03:09
@DavidCarlisle Good to know I'm not the only one.
03:49
"Giant duck explodes, a victim of earthquake"
 
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10:04
@Canageek Oh no! :)
    England XI won the toss and decided to bat
    England XI 1st Innings318 for 0 (93.0 overs)



    England XI
    318for0
@DavidCarlisle Is that good or bad? :)
@PauloCereda find an Australian and ask:-)
@DavidCarlisle LOL
Speaking of which, we need an Australian.
@PauloCereda although it's not a real Test match it's England XI against Australia A (which is sort of reserve team match although actually it's just same people as in the full test match, a warmup while the England team get over jet lag etc)
10:14
@DavidCarlisle :)
Am I being serial-upvoted so I can get my credit card faster?!
:)
 
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11:17
@egreg: any hints here? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/142554/… I can suggest some path modifications, but I'm not sure how things work on Mac.
11:30
I was going to recommend .bash_profile.
@PauloCereda Remove the MacPorts provided TeX Live is, of course, the best method. ;-) But .bashrc or .bash_profile may be good as well.
@egreg :)
Thank you.
@PauloCereda Where have you been all day?
@egreg I was in São Paulo. :) Long rainy cold day. :) Couldn't wait to be back. :)
11:51
@egreg: updated, thanks. :)
@PauloCereda Hey! Four upvotes to be able to use your credit card!
@egreg ooh!
@egreg This will be the best Christmas ever! :)
And a broken one too. :)
Unless @David plans to get M another Lego Mindstorms set, so he'll start to downvote me. :)
@DavidCarlisle:
Last login: Wed Nov  6 09:40:45 on ttys000
	THE LESSER-KNOWN PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES #16: C-

This language was named for the grade received by its creator when he
submitted it as a class project in a graduate programming class.  C- is best
described as a "low-level" programming language.  In fact, the language
generally requires more C- statements than machine-code statements to
execute a given task.  In this respect, it is very similar to COBOL.

oxford:~ paulo$
Gotta love my terminal cookies. :)
12:46
@PauloCereda I'm afraid about C--, then.
@egreg :) We might try C+/- :)
@PauloCereda Approximative programming.
@egreg :) A friend of mine usually refers to her code as prayer-oriented programming. :)
@PauloCereda Caveat: this program may, in some exceptional cases, do what it's supposed to.
@egreg LOL
It's alive, it's alive!
12:53
Hummel's trumpet concerto! Wonderful.
@egreg Yay!
ooh! 19,992
It could be a palindrome.
@PauloCereda Hurry! Downvote @DavidCarlisle!
@egreg LOL
@PauloCereda Or wait till you're in the 20000 club.
@egreg :)
13:00
@PauloCereda I've been palindromic during the night; but at 4am I wasn't online to see it.
@egreg :) The new Psmith will monitor palindromic occurrences. :)
13:15
@PauloCereda Ooh! Is Psmith coming out of retirement?
@PauloCereda Yaaay! 20002!
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@Jake An even better palindrome!
Hi @Jake! And grats, @Paulo!
@egreg my thought exactly.
Congratulations to our new trusted user!
user image
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@egreg A blur filter applied?
13:26
@Marienplatz Au naturel
It's Paulo who's always blurred, apparently.
@egreg Hmmm.... :-)
@egreg IMHO, one of the best user images is Frank Mittelbach's one. It is really sharp and artistic. :-)
Let's compare with David Carlisle's one.
What do the tag listings underneath mean?
@jonalv They are more active in the listed tags I think.
makes sense, but there seems to be colours attached too. Ar those perhaps grading of how active somehow?
@Marienplatz at least we are stable, not like those fickle users who can't keep the same face or name for more than a week or so.
@egreg would you trust that man?
13:34
@DavidCarlisle Yes. You are right. I like rasterized images as well.
@PauloCereda Congratulations! :-)
user image
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@jonalv they are the colour of the tag badge held
aha, there are tag badges. Makes sense :)
@NicolaTalbot: I have a question about probability. What I don't understand is what the correlation between each person whose a probability of getting cholera is .15 and the other people in a population. The complete question is as follows. There is a research in one flooded region, that the probability of a man attached by cholera is .15. If the total citizen in that region is 640 persons, what is the number of person estimated attached by cholera?
13:57
@egreg woooooooooohooooooooooo!
@NicolaTalbot WOW EPIC DUCK!
Thanks @Jake, @egreg, @NicolaTalbot, @tohecz and friends! :)
@Marienplatz The photo was taken in low resolution. :) I'll try a new photo later on. :)
@PauloCereda I will count the acne then. :-)
@Marienplatz LOL creepy HD photo. :)
@PauloCereda :-)
@DavidCarlisle Only for using his credit card.
I want to thank my friends for making this achievement possible. And also my friends that spend my credit card for making this achievement necessary. :)
14:03
@PauloCereda You're welcome!
Bullying is not tolerated in SX.
@Marienplatz The only bullying we tolerate is editor war. :)
@PauloCereda :-)
I'll let John Cleese thank everyone for me:
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@PauloCereda I realise I forgot to fill in its beak. I was going to put one of those party tooters in its mouth, but it just looked like it was sticking its tongue out.
14:13
@NicolaTalbot It's lovely!
@Marienplatz Probability isn't really my strong point (differentiation, algebra and geometry are more my thing) but I think you need to find the expected value.
@PauloCereda Aw! :-)
@NicolaTalbot OK. Thank you. I will visit the link. :-)
14:57
@AlanMunn, @egreg: I rewrote the answer: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/142554/…
Out of topic discussion. When was you introduced to the concept of Componendo et Dividendo? Junior School, High School, University, or have not known it yet?
Hi guys
any of the typo friends know a free version of Spinoza fonts? fontfont.com/fonts/spinoza
@NicolaTalbot I've been reading your pdf on how to write a thesis. It's actually the best text I've found so far. Thank you very much for pointing me to it
@MarioS.E. I'm glad you found it useful :-)
15:23
@PauloCereda: congrats!! You finally joined the 20k club :) Next step is the 100k club, right?
@ClaudioFiandrino Grazie, Claudio! :) Nah, I need to eat more vegetables to join that exclusive club. :)
@PauloCereda: or more duck answers ;)
@ClaudioFiandrino That's a good plan. :)
15:47
@ClaudioFiandrino What about you?
16:29
Guys, have you ever seen this?
! Package titlesec Error: Not allowed in `easy' settings.
@egreg: oh, well... I guess it will take time (probably a lot of time). Currently I'm quite busy and my major contribution to the site is the review. They require less time than good answers so they can be performed on the fly while simulation are running...
Ah I just found out why.
@ClaudioFiandrino You could try \tikzmark on this one: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/142406/measuring-align
@PauloCereda no, but I have an answer: Take it easy lol
16:52
@PauloCereda The TeXShop/paths answer is much clearer now, but I think the second last sentence should be about /opt/local/bin not /usr/local/bin.
Related to this question of mine, I'm trying to figure out how to apply the floor function to lengths
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Q: Why can't I get the height of my memoir typeblock right?

ChristianI'm trying to define my own type area on A5 paper using the memoir commands, according to the following construction after Tschichold, where the text width is given by Høgholm's curve fitting of Bringhurst's copyfitting table: If we ignore for the moment that the header should probably be cons...

I looked up how memoir does it.
\setlength{\@tempdima}{\textheight}%
\divide\@tempdima \baselineskip
\@tempcnta=\@tempdima
so does that mean that you can/must just convert the length to a counter?
@AlanMunn Ah indeed.
a) I didn't know that was possible and b) good lord.
I think I'm going to use LuaLaTeX for my next bigger project.
Just to have a programming language that was conceived during my lifetime.
17:10
@Christian Chapter 7 of TeX by Topic has a very nice discussion of how TeX treats numbers.
@Christian Ryan's answer here might be enlightening on this matter:
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Q: Does TeX/LaTeX give a headstart with other programming languages?

Ayman ElmasryI've seen many programmers here at tex.se, and I'd like to know how they view TeX/LaTeX as a programming language in relation to other languages, and whether it would boost my progress as a beginner using other (non-typesetting related) languages, that is of course in an abstract or semantic sense.

@Marienplatz I assume you've seen the question in meta devoted entirely to you. Are you willing to divulge your gender, or shall I change it in the answer every time you change names?
@AlanMunn Yeah, Ryan's answer is pretty hilarious ... and spot on.
17:28
@egreg oh, I see: there's room for a \tikzmark answer. Perhaps tomorrow morning I'll have a more serious look at it!
17:39
@AlanMunn Wait... I don't understand well. I will visit the meta site now.
18:06
@AlanMunn :-)
My part of africa 35.5 centigrade today, can't think.
@ForkrulAssail oh my, that's hot.
@PauloCereda, went as far as turning off my BFL. I'm doing a slow article reading day.
18:27
@ForkrulAssail BFL?
@AlanMunn, bitcoin mining rig that finally showed up a couple of weeks back.
@AlanMunn Sorry, was on the phone. Interesting read. So even though the second argument of \divide is a length, it has to be an integer. Which probably means that if anybody ever uses a \baselineskip that's not an integer in points, things will go horribly wrong with the memoir type area calculation.
butterflylabs
@PauloCereda, give it 3 minutes :) youtube.com/watch?v=5GrgK9TK8K0
@ForkrulAssail Here it's more like 35.5 centicentigrade.
18:52
@Christian, I'm actually looking forward to wearable AC. wired.com/design/2013/10/…
@ForkrulAssail Sounds interesting. Personalizing the AC would be especially great because then you'd no longer have to carry around a coat in the Californian summer because freezing your ass off is considered a status symbol or something.
@Christian, and if they don't get a designer in soon it could double as a self defence device.
hehe
true
although nothing says "nerd" as effectively as a heat sink attached to your wrist ;)
Wear that freak flag ahem wrist thing :P
19:10
@Christian If you use a length as an integer then it is sp not pt that matters (all lengths are an integer number of sp)
@DavidCarlisle Ah ok. Didn't read carefully enough then. Thanks!
19:29
@Christian - mind if I have a couple of questions (via email) about your place of study?
@ForkrulAssail Sure. I opened what I think is the Stackexchange version of a private chat.
@Joseph: I have my credit card back! :)
20:20
Does anybody knows why $x^^2$ is rendered as xr in latex ?
How to delete TeXLive on Windows 7? To use Control pane/Program and Features... or?
@Cortizol Yeah, I guess.
@TorbjørnT. OK. Thanks
 
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21:47
@DavidCarlisle: What is going on here...?
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A: Hiding a column with colored cells

David Carlisle \documentclass{article} \usepackage{array} \usepackage{colortbl} \makeatletter \def\zz{\aftergroup\zzz} \def\zzz\begingroup#1\endgroup{\global\let\CT@do@color\relax\global\let\CT@cell@color\relax} \newcommand{\gc}{\cellcolor[gray]{.7}} \newcolumntype{H}{>{\setbox0=\hbox\bgroup\bgroup}c<{\egroup...

@Werner self documenting code?
@DavidCarlisle Oh dear... \bgroup \aftergroup{You are hilarious with your (non-existent) explanations}\egroup.
I was going to upvote, then decided against it, since you're only 10K behind....
...despite all the bounty-action end of last month.
If there was a +1 rep vote, then I'd click it, but not the +10 we hand out now. ;)
Calling all people: Please find any bugs in these packages...
22:12
@Werner You should know: there are none
@Paulo. Congrats Paulo. I was happy to cast the vote from 19992 to 20002. But could not comment as my mobile was not logging me into chat. I was travelling back from a lecture and a lab session on LaTeX. When is the party? ;-)
BTW, why from mobile we can't log in to chat while for main site we can?
@HarishKumar The mobile site has many restrictions, including not being able to review posts.
You could visit the main site from your mobile though. There should be a link displaying "full site" (perhaps at the bottom of your mobile browser).
@HarishKumar ...perfect Meta question though...
22:39
@Werner Hi Werner. I located the full cite link in my mobile. As you said, it can be a meta question. Shall I post it?
@HarishKumar Sure, it may help others!
@Werner I will do it in a while. :-)
23:05
@HarishKumar Thanks Harish! :)
23:42
@Werner You do realize that more bugs in @DavidCarlisle 's packages results in more rep for him, not less, right?
@AlanMunn Bugs should be closed as off topic... but it'll keep the big man busy... Regardless, I think it's futile.
@Werner Ah, so closing is your strategy. ;)
Hi guys. I'm trying to define = as \mathop{=}. Is this possible ?
I want to have it this way, so that I can type =^{(1)} instead of $\overset{(1)}{=}$
oh never mind

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