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Dan
12:43 AM
I am all of a sudden getting the ! LaTeX Error: LaTeX2e command \usepackage in LaTeX 2.09 document. error, why would my MacTeX downgrade all of a sudden???
 
@Dan If your document begins with \documentstyle instead of \documentclass, this error is issued.
 
 
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Dan
1:55 AM
@PauloCereda whoops! duh! Thanks!
 
 
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9:09 AM
@JosephWright Unfortunately, \DeclareExpandableDocumentCommand doesn't help: it's a tabu problem.
 
@egreg Ah, OK
 
 
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11:07 AM
@egreg I just join chat and see @egreg saying tabu is a problem, some things never change:-)
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kan
1:29 PM
I am writing an email to the members of the faculty to their group email. How do I address them?
@DavidCarlisle Any suggestions sir? :)
 
1:40 PM
@kan Depends on the context. I tend to avoid classic letter formalities in email, but sometimes it can't be avoided. "Dear Sirs" is probably the standard letter form, but "Dear all" or nothing at all or "To all faculty members" or just about anything else might be acceptable, just looked at a few "all company" emails over last day and no introductory address at all is most common and one "hi all"
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle Hah! Thanks for the suggestion!
So, I went with "no introductory address". Good to be lazy!
 
1:59 PM
@DavidCarlisle "Lazy potatoes" is a good choice as well. :)
 
2:34 PM
@DavidCarlisle Yes, this and the fact you're a grumpy old chap.
 
@egreg I'm not as old as....
 
3:13 PM
@DavidCarlisle Brent?
 
3:46 PM
@egreg :-)
 
kan
4:05 PM
@PauloCereda LOL! Spare me!
 
4:26 PM
@DavidCarlisle the Queen? :)
 
5:24 PM
YouTube time:
In the year 2525, no more MiKTeX, only TeX Live
Microsoft Office is no more a threat
and `longtable` has no bugs found yet!
 
6:05 PM
Wait a minute, when Sebastian the crab sings Under the sea, why does he looks suspiciously like an underwater Harry Belafonte?
 
6:33 PM
I have a couple of friends that can benefit from this initiative. :)
 
@PauloCereda we could market a tex.sx version
 
@DavidCarlisle That would be very dangerous. :)
 
@PauloCereda it would be attached to the vote button, so I'd be safe:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Hey!
 
7:29 PM
@JosephWright How will flagged comments get treated? (Say "obsolote"?) Would this be an annoyance for moderators?
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel Mainly they get deleted
@Qrrbrbirlbel We have relatively few flags to worry about
 
@JosephWright Hm, okay ... this would be easier then "@user Let's delete our comments ..." because they're not relevant anymore or their origin was a misunderstanding ...
 
8:16 PM
hi
Can anyone help me with a problem about bar plots?
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Q: Histogram plot with different base value using pgfplots?

user29898How can I plot the following bar graph with a base value of -60 instead of 0(default)? \documentclass[convert={density=400,outext=.png}]{standalone} \usepackage{pgfplots} \pgfplotsset{compat=newest} \begin{document} \begin{tikzpicture}[baseline] \centering \begin{axis}[ybar,bar width=1,line wi...

 
8:40 PM
Writing a book chapter under serious time pressure. BibTeX to the rescue with organising the references, even though it has to be written with a piece of software not popular in these parts!
 
@JosephWright even less popular than bibtex (with the biblatex crowd)?
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh I use biblatex, but the database is in .bib format :-)
Having to track the references by hand for numbering purposes is of course a pain :-(
 
@JosephWright just apply xmltex to the unzipped .d??x file and extract the references....
 
@DavidCarlisle Interesting plan, but the wrong way around: I have to get the refs into .d??x not out!
 
Dan
9:15 PM
perplexed, choosing a smaller font size makes the font bigger
Why?
Actually, it seems 12 point is biggest I can choose
 
@Dan Your current font size isn't probably \normalsize.
 
Dan
10pt is same size as 14pt
\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\usepackage{marvosym}
\usepackage{hyperref}
\usepackage[LGRgreek]{mathastext}

\begin{document}

\thispagestyle{empty}
\topskip0pt
that is my preamble
 
@Dan Standard classes know only 10pt, 11pt, 12pt
 
Dan
I see, so how do I change it?
 
Other sizes ignored, and you get the default (10pt)
@Dan Do you really want such big text?
 
9:17 PM
@Dan 12pt is BIG
 
Dan
@JosephWright no but someone asked for a large print edition of something I typeset
 
@Dan Class extsize
 
@Dan or set at 12pt to a5paper size then scale up to a4 while printing
 
Dan
@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle excellent thanks!
 
@Dan why topskip0pt ??
 
9:21 PM
@DavidCarlisle Maybe it's a document for Patrick. :)
 
Dan
@DavidCarlisle this is why
 
9:42 PM
@Dan not sure I agree with the reasoning there:-) but anyway it suggests a local setting of topskip for a particular construct but your fragment set it globally which is odd (to say the least:-)
 
Dan
@DavidCarlisle yeah, it works. It was more or less a small project for myself to help me learn LaTeX
@DavidCarlisle I typeset a book that is freely available online (with permission from the publisher)
Mostly I wanted to read it with footnotes rather than endnotes, and I wanted it to be easier on my eyes than the ugly yellow background on the website
 
@Dan but you must have irregular positions of the lines on every page (pages with capital letters in the first line will have all lines lower than pages without)
 
Dan
@DavidCarlisle really?
 
@Dan yes
 
Dan
ok so how do i make it on one page only
@DavidCarlisle actually it appears to be fine if i just remove it entirely
@DavidCarlisle of course the issue i had before apparently no longer is a problem
 
9:46 PM
@Dan Not clear why you need it at all, or just use the macro as in the link you gave it is for a particular use in conjunction with vspace* but most documents don't use vspace* anyway.
 
Dan
@DavidCarlisle the large print edition skips a page if i don't use it
 
@Dan perhaps, but it's the wrong fix, it says to try to place the baseline of the top line 0pt from the top as it can't do that it will place it as high as possible, so if it has no capitals it will go higher, if it has capitals it will go lower, if it has a bracket or accent it will go lower still.
@Dan topskip should be larger for a large print ediition (it should be more than the largest letter so that all pages get a consistent first line position.
 
Dan
any way to force LaTeX to not leave a blank page somewhere?
 
@Dan don't insert the commands that make it leave the space?
 
Dan
@DavidCarlisle doesn't seem to matter in the large print edition
I have removed it entirely and still an issue
Oh well, not worth my time to fix it
 
9:54 PM
@Dan well it's easy to stop the blank page if you know why it's there, eg what follows \chapter or some such or does latex scream about overful box in the output routine or...
 
Dan
If I ever need to in the future I'll have to figure it out
 
@Dan it will gnaw away at your brain and annoy you and you won't be able to get any work done until you do.
 
Dan
@DavidCarlisle so true: help? writelatex.com/324577gyzzsm
@DavidCarlisle the second page is blank, I want to remove it
@DavidCarlisle I wanted the title and copyright pages to be centered vertically and horizontally
 
@Dan so I edited that (with a fix) can i save it so you see the edit?
(I could just post the diff here, but just asking:-)
 
Dan
@DavidCarlisle please
@DavidCarlisle I made this as a sample
 
10:09 PM
@Dan no not may, I can I (is there some button to click?)
 
Dan
@DavidCarlisle I refreshed page, it loads changes
@DavidCarlisle if you change it - it changes it
 
@Dan oh this internet thing....
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Dan
It eliminated second page but now the second page extends onto the third
 
@Dan under specified problem:-0 hang on...
 
Dan
@DavidCarlisle the copyright disclaimer now does not fit on same page
@DavidCarlisle you can skip fewer lines since this is the large print edition
 
10:12 PM
@Dan yes done:-)
 
Dan
@DavidCarlisle very nice! thanks!
@DavidCarlisle I really appreciate it!
 
@user29898 Which base exactly you are talking about?
 
10:43 PM
I have a question that's too opinion based to be posted officially: What's the best way to include inline explanations in a multi-line derivation of a formula (where each line starts with an equals sign)?
Each line of the derivation is too long to include explanations, and trying to connect the lines with short paragraphs of text seems awkward.
 
@amcnabb \intertext ?
 
@DavidCarlisle I think that \intertext would help with keeping the equals signs lined up, but there's the general stylistic question of how to present the explanations.
One possibility I thought of was to parenthesize all of them, but I thought maybe there's a better way.
 
@amcnabb maybe I don't understand but if you have a line of text in the middle of a multiline display it's normally obviously directly linked to the display without needing any special paraenthesis or font change
 
@DavidCarlisle I think I'm just not explaining myself very well. When a line starts with an equals sign, it refers to the directly preceding line, which stylistically seems awkward if the preceding line is actually text instead of the previous step in the formula.
 
@amcnabb people cope:-) I think adding extra punctuation just makes it more obscure, I'd just use (perhaps flushright) text that says after each step by so and so's lemma or whatever needs to be said
 
10:57 PM
@DavidCarlisle Using flushright seems like a good idea.
It seems like people often do something like this: tex.stackexchange.com/a/49542/9337 (after the text, it repeats the f(x) instead of starting with an equals sign)
 
@amcnabb anyway latex allows you to make such decisions late use \stepexplanation{by the axiom of choice} and get your text entered then afterwards you can play with different definitions of \stepexplanation to see what looks right
 
@DavidCarlisle I think I'll do that. And if anyone comes up with any great suggestions in the meantime, then I'll redefine \stepexplanation accordingly. :)
 
@amcnabb I think it depends, if you are laying out a long multistep proof with explanation at each step I think you'd not repeat the left hand side as it is clear from context that the steps are steps and the text is explanation, however if its a one off context that may be read as two separate displays, repeating might make it clearer
 
11:57 PM
@DavidCarlisle Sorry, it seems I stole a tick from you ...
 

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