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7:00 AM
Search returns 12 posts with arxiv.org/hypertex - they are quite likely dead links. Should all of them be edited and replaced by https://arxiv.org/help/hypertex/bibstyles/? Or is it better just to leave a comment - and thus avoid bumping?
 
7:51 AM
@MartinSleziak fix I'd say. not a lot of point leaving broken links, and it's only 12 not 1200 so "bump" effect will soon pass.
 
Thanks for the response. I made a few suggested edits. (And I'll have a look at other posts later - when I have a bit more time. After all, there is a limit on number of suggested edits, too.)
 
8:09 AM
@MartinSleziak oh "suggesed edits" I forgot about that:-)
 
8:32 AM
Actually, I think that it's a good thing. It prevents a low rep user from bumping many posts at once. More importantly, more experienced users of this site will see those edit and check whether they are ok and whether there are some other things which should have been edited. (Or, in this case, whether some other link would have been more suitable.)
 
8:45 AM
@MartinSleziak You could also leave comments. I do that on sites where I don't have the rep to edit directly. Often people will fix it.
 
In any case, since this was brought up, I wasn't sure what it the best choice for links directly to a bst-file such as http://arxiv.org/hypertex/bibstyles/hsiam.bst here or http://arxiv.org/hypertex/bibstyles/h-physrev.bst here.
 
9:06 AM
@UlrikeFischer Joseph Wright in Italy. :)
@DavidCarlisle oh no
@DavidCarlisle oh no
@DavidCarlisle ooh intent
 
9:24 AM
@PauloCereda in another place, here we stick to: breakfast
 
@DavidCarlisle oh no
 
 
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11:50 AM
Hi folks. I have a two columns of a table which use abbreviations. I have a separate table for the abbreviations. I think it might be better to just have a footnote to the table with a list of the abbreviations. It would use less space, for one thing. And the abbreviations are mostly relatively obvious and not terribly interesting to readers.
I'm just wondering what a good way to do this would be. Is that such a thing as actual footnotes to tables, or would I just need to add an extra line at the bottom? Though table lines don't wrap, so that could be an issue.
It looks like for this to work, the table cannot float. Though I don't think my tables float, anyway. I'll check. Also, there is something called tablefootnote.
Oh, longtable has support for footnotes. Maybe I'll try that first.
 
12:08 PM
@FaheemMitha I had a table with footnotes in my thesis, and I must admit it wasn't a good thing to add IMHO. :) However, there are cases in which footnotes might be desired. I will check my code and see what I used, just a minute.
@FaheemMitha I used a package named threeparttable.
 
@PauloCereda OK. Thank you.
Actually, it looks like longtable literally adds a footnote, i.e. something right at the bottom of the page. I was really thinking of something just below the table. Sort of integrated with it.
 
@FaheemMitha Check the package I mentioned. Not automatic, but can help I guess. :)
 
@PauloCereda OK
 
12:35 PM
Hello all
What exactly is the disadvantage of using a \choose b in LaTeX instead of \binom{a}{b}? Context: Fixing up some existing code.
 
12:48 PM
@Szabolcs probably similar to tex.stackexchange.com/questions/73822/…
 
 
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3:14 PM
Apparently most LaTeX maintainers are volunteers? What do they do in real life to get money? (tex.stackexchange.com/questions/253654/…)
 
@user202729 Yes, mainly
@user202729 I'm a university lecturer, for example
@user202729 The LaTeX team do have some funds at present for the tagging project, but this is a recent thing - it's the first time 'we' have had non-trivial amounts of cash
 
Well somehow I feel most full-time jobs don't leave you much free time to do your own things...
 
@user202729 You'd be surprised ;)
@user202729 I'll be spending this evening thinking about templates, for example
 
@JosephWright funding hmmmm
@JosephWright and duck
 
@PauloCereda Skype
@PauloCereda Well duh
 
3:23 PM
@JosephWright ooh
@JosephWright quack
 
4:00 PM
I know it's probably too late for this, but it would've been nice if \begin was defined such that the before/.../env-hook could be used in an expansion context...
 
? Why would you fully expand \begin{something}?
 
@Skillmon What would be the benefit?
 
@PhelypeOleinik Using environments which require calling \noalign inside of \halign.
@user202729 please reread that, only one hook should be placed where it can be reached by full expansion. \begin by itself can't be implemented fully expandable (well, it can, but only in LuaTeX)
 
4:19 PM
@Skillmon But the \UseHook call is expandable... I think I don't get your point
 
@PhelypeOleinik but it is hidden after a \protect\begin, so after \relax, so isn't usable inside of \halign.
(well, is usable, but not to inject a \noalign)
(still imprecise: is usable to inject \noalign, but only by introducing another \cr)
 
@Skillmon Ah, but that's long before the hook
 
@PhelypeOleinik actually it is just before the hook... It is \protect\begin<space>, and \begin<space> starts with \UseHook.
 
4:39 PM
@Skillmon But the \begin would still not be safe in an expansion context: that's the difference to \end, which has always worked in tabulars
 
@Skillmon Yeah, but anyway that's not related to the hook, but to how \DeclareRobustCommand defines the command
@Skillmon Would need to define \begin manually as \def\begin#1{\UseHook{env/#1/before}\protect\begin<space>} or something like that
 
@PhelypeOleinik yes, I know, and already try things with it :P But you should use another hook name than before.
 
@Skillmon env/#1/veryveryearly
 
@PhelypeOleinik :)
@PhelypeOleinik env/#1/evenbeforebefore
 
@Skillmon It's possible, I guess, but then it would expand in a context where \protect is \@unexpandable@protect and you'd have the hook used twice for example in figure captions
 
4:45 PM
@PhelypeOleinik \ifx\protect\@unexpandable@protect\expandafter\protect\fi\UseHook{env/#1/evenbeforebefore}
 
@Skillmon I think \@gobbletwo instead of the second \protect, because \begin<space> is reread as plain \begin when reading the .lof
 
@PhelypeOleinik yes, realised the same, just started to type :)
 
 
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5:53 PM
how do I define a dynamic hook name? I could use \NewHook{env/#1/evenbeforebefore}\AddToHook{env/#1/evenbeforebefore} but that doesn't seem right, does it?
 
@Skillmon You mean a generic hook, so that it behaves like other env hooks?
 
@PhelypeOleinik yep
(dynamic, generic, what's the difference? :)
 
@Skillmon You have to define \tl_const:cn { c__hook_generic_env/./evenbeforebefore_tl } { + } (or { - } if it's reversed)
@Skillmon { c__hook_dynamic_... won't work ;-)
@Skillmon No, no public interface for that
 
@PhelypeOleinik I should really take a closer at the hook code...
 
@Skillmon By defining that tl, the conditional \__hook_if_generic:nTF will return true when a hook is named env/<anything>/evenbeforebefore, then the magic happens
 
6:02 PM
@PhelypeOleinik guessed as much (though I didn't know the internal conditional)
 
(with magic, read: \NewHook happens automatically when \AddToHook is used, giving the user the magic feeling that the hook always existed, when actually not)
all card tricks
 
6:56 PM
Anyone else issues with biber? Did try running it, and get an error (can't find libcrypt.so)
 
@Skillmon What OS?
 
@AlanMunn Arch Linux
@AlanMunn I could use the biber shipped by Arch, but the one coming with vanilla TL doesn't work for me
Just wanted to hear whether others are having the same issues
 
@Skillmon It's working fine for me on the MacOS.
 
7:41 PM
@Skillmon pacman -S libxcrypt-compat helped for me. Had the same issue some days ago.
biber links against an old version of libcrypt (libcrypt.so.1 which is not provided anymore, Arch bumped to libcrypt.so.2).
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8:04 PM
Artificial intelligence now used for the really important things: twitter.com/bradtravelers/status/1514675852029542406
 
"Currently TeX says ‘Missing $’!" (28 Jul 1978)
 
@Skillmon there is an issue here (but I have no idea what it means ...) github.com/plk/biber/issues/402
 
@TeXnician that seems to be it.
 
8:26 PM
@user202729 A good question, and the answers might have been interesting and revealing.
Asked July 4th 2015. Closed July 6th 2015. At any rate, it does not look like anyone was rushing to answer it.
 
@JosephWright In chemistry, right?
 
8:44 PM
@JosephWright Nice!
 
@JosephWright I think @user202729 has a point. But perhaps you don't sleep?
Or you're possibly superhuman. One or the other.
 
9:00 PM
@FaheemMitha super human duck
 
@samcarter What's a super duck?
 
@FaheemMitha No idea, but look at the image: @JosephWright clearly is a duck
 
@samcarter Somehow I had convinced myself it was a platypus.
 
@FaheemMitha :)
 
 
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11:25 PM
@Szabolcs it makes you feel guilty
@user202729 I work for NAG, and do latex as a hobby
@PhelypeOleinik env/#1/dontusehalignwithitsweirdexpansionruleslayoutboxesbyhand
 
11:51 PM
@DavidCarlisle env/#1/ifyouwantprotectedmacrosusableinhalignswitchtoluametatexinsteadofabusingolderengines
 
@MarcelKrüger goodplan
 

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