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12:08 AM
@MarcelKrüger @DavidCarlisle env/#1/germansshouldnotbeallowedtonamethings :)
 
 
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7:14 AM
@MarcelKrüger or bribe some maintainers to port \immediateassignment to pdfTeX
 
@Skillmon Why would that help?
 
@Skillmon Er, you do know who they are, yes?
 
7:40 AM
@MarcelKrüger Oh, mildly forcing users to move on. Sounds good. :)
 
8:03 AM
@mickep It would be easier to convince users if there was a free engine they could move to...
 
@MarcelKrüger :)
 
8:37 AM
@MarcelKrüger I've heard that the plan is to make the source available...
 
@JosephWright yes :)
@MarcelKrüger because with \immediateassignment you can do everything expandable if you want to...
(except typesetting)
 
@mickep Right, I heard the source will become part of the ConTeXt distribution around the ConTeXt meeting. Turns out that everyone forgot to ask which year :P
 
@MarcelKrüger :)
@Skillmon So ...
 
@Skillmon Well, \begin{...} starts a group with \begingroup. Can you do that with \immediateassignment?
 
9:15 AM
@MarcelKrüger that's actually a good question... But I guess not, you're right.
 
@MarcelKrüger Did you try it?
\edef\foo{\immediateassignment\begingroup\immediateassignment\def\baz{a}\immediateassignment\endgroup}\show\baz\show\foo
 
@JosephWright seems like the scoping of \baz doesn't work...
 
@Skillmon Indeed
 
yesterday, by David Carlisle
@UlrichDiez you are talking to @MarcelKrüger not @UlrikeFischer I asume he's been reading the source code, not the documentation.
 
@Skillmon If you try without the \immediateassignment for the grouping, you get the same effect except \foo ends up as \begingroup \endgroup
 
9:22 AM
@JosephWright I know, makes one wonder what \immediateassignment does for groups except nothing...
 
@Skillmon I think exactly that: nothing except makes it vanish under expansion
 
@Skillmon If you pass any nonsupported unexpandable token to \immediateassignment you get excellent error handling in form of silently eating the token.
So maybe it should be renamed to \immediateassignmentorgobble.
 
@MarcelKrüger Haha, I think it is delayed also everytime someone asks...
 
@JosephWright makes it vanish regardless where used \immediateassignment\begingroup\def\foo{}\immediateassignment\endgroup\show\foo should yield undefined, but yields empty.
 
@MarcelKrüger :)
 
9:26 AM
So, don't bribe some mysterious maintainers to backport it (or if so, fix it?)
 
@Skillmon 'Fix' only works if we get the same change in LuaMetaTeX
 
@JosephWright so around the time LuaMetaTeX goes open?
 
@Skillmon Sounds about right
 
Or one could just write to Hans and ask... :)
 
10:05 AM
(But that could of course delay the release...) 😊
 
 
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11:30 AM
@Rmano Have you considered to turn your Bionic Reading thingy into a package? German user group mailing list seems to be very interested...
 
@samcarter @Rmano FYI That Bionic Reading thingy seems to be patented in some countries.
 
@MarcelKrüger oh! Didn't know bad typography can be patented :P
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@samcarter but if it speeds up reading, isn't it than good typography, because one of the main goall of typography is to represent text in an easy to read manner?
 
@Skillmon I'm not completely convinced that speed alone is a good measure. Are there studies about information retention? That would be interesting.
 
@samcarter I have no idea. Neither am I convinced that speed alone is a good measure (since typography is also a form of art and there are documents which I'd just describe as being beautiful, but none I'd describe as "could be read really fast")
 
11:57 AM
@MarcelKrüger yes --- bionic-reading.com (although part of it seems to be free as in free beer).
@Skillmon I also have doubts. When I read that paragraph my brain is "stuttering", so I do not really think it helps me read faster. Maybe I should try with my mother language, but I find it definitely disturbing in English
@samcarter It would be a very small package, no? Although not to compete with indentfirst...
 
@Rmano indentfirst is a league of its own -- nobody can compete with it :)
 
12:18 PM
@Rmano for me it worked surprisingly well, even though English is not my mother tongue. Though there were some words which made me "stutter" as well. The thing is just: It looks so ugly, I'd never typeset a document using this.
 
 
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2:34 PM
@Skillmon It's not entirely improbable that it might help. But to be useful, I would think that it has to apply to most of the document text rather than as a command.
 
@samcarter size is inversely proportional to brilliance of implementation
 
@Skillmon -- But that method would be absolutely useless for setting math.
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm afraid to even think what this means for tikz :)
 
3:28 PM
Bionic could increase speed of reading, simply because one cannot stand reading it for too long.
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3:43 PM
Just realised I made a "than" vs "then" error. How embarrassing.
 
@Skillmon better to stick to teh
 
@DavidCarlisle your rihgt, tahts teh bettr speling errror.
 
@Skillmon but I am more bionic
 
@DavidCarlisle just another spelling error: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bionicle
 
 
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4:59 PM
@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright ooh twitter.com/qikipedia/status/1529130102134427648
 
@PauloCereda british dinner
 
@DavidCarlisle fancy a ducka, gov'nor oh no
 
5:47 PM
@PauloCereda --Hah! My freshman year in college, three instructors were Brit, and the fourth was German who had spent several years at Cambridge. (Fortunately, all the accents were RP.) When I went home for the summer, I had a distinctly non-US edge on my accent. Unavoidable.
 
@barbarabeeton ooh :)
 
6:09 PM
@PauloCereda ... only a matter of time until they will draw in the colouring books :P
 
@samcarter ooh
 
 
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8:08 PM
Tomorrow we'll deliver the prize to the memory of Gustavo Mezzetti to two young math researchers. I was in the committee for the evaluation.
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10:04 PM
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