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8:15 AM
What has Mathematics ever done for us?
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@PauloCereda She should have used
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A: How do I typeset a tenfold powering (a tower-of-powers) with LaTeX?

David Carlisle\documentclass{article} \def\powertower#1#2{#1\ifnum#2>1 ^{\powertower{#1}{\numexpr#2-1\relax}}\fi} \begin{document} $\powertower{x}{100}$ \end{document}

 
@DavidCarlisle ooh
Great, something is wrong with today's TL update:
➜ tlmgr update --self --all
tlmgr: package repository ftp.fau.de/ctan/systems/texlive/tlnet (verified)
tlmgr: saving backups to /opt/paulo/applications/texlive/2021/tlpkg/backups
tlmgr: no self-updates for tlmgr available
/opt/texbin/tlmgr: create(tlpkg/tlpobj/tex4ht.tlpobj) failed: Permission denied at /opt/paulo/applications/texlive/2021/tlpkg/TeXLive/TLPOBJ.pm line 625.
Did you guys run into this problem too?
 
@PauloCereda I get:
$ tlmgr update --self --all
tlmgr: package repository mirror.ox.ac.uk/sites/ctan.org/systems/texlive/tlnet (verified)
tlmgr: saving backups to /usr/local/texlive/2021/tlpkg/backups
tlmgr: don't trust Paulo to edit TLPOBJ.pm line 625
 
@PauloCereda no, update worked fine on windows.
 
@DavidCarlisle oh
@UlrikeFischer drat, then I don't know how to solve my problem... :(
 
8:24 AM
@PauloCereda switch to windows?
 
@PauloCereda what are the file permissions on tlpkg/tlpobj/tex4ht.tlpobj
 
@DavidCarlisle You are right: for whatever reason, lots of files were reassigned to root!
 
@PauloCereda see the starred comment on the right
 
@DavidCarlisle :(
 
Hm, I think fontspec needs to improve that
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\begin{document}
$\pounds$

\end{document}
@DavidCarlisle ^^
 
8:34 AM
@UlrikeFischer Fair
 
@UlrikeFischer we wouldn't use the Euro but we might be tempted by the dollar
 
@DavidCarlisle @UlrikeFischer grrrr status-norepro in other two machines.Well, this is good, because now I have one broken install out of three. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle ;-). What is the right mathcode for \mathsterling with TU?
 
@UlrikeFischer ooh Brexit
we ducks are good at typing
Here we go
 
@PauloCereda All right here, on Linux (portable installation though, under my home dir)
 
8:48 AM
@Rmano Thanks. :) I could not reproduce in my other machines (three Linux installs), dunno what happened. But it's so strange because for whatever reason root took ownership of lots of files!
 
@PauloCereda this happened to me when without thinking I did a sudo tlmgr... (eons ago).
well, it happened for the update after that.
 
@Rmano Same (eons ago). :)
Nice to see most of you guys in the Matrix thingy. :)
 
@PauloCereda you don't miss me ;-(
 
@PauloCereda I'm a bit disappointed by the favicon of the matrix website -- so much potential for matrix jokes and what do we get? A boring square with some circle thingy
 
@UlrikeFischer would work just the unicode number for £ I suppose. although I'm not totally convinced fontspec is right to be messing with the classical tfm math setup at all
 
9:02 AM
@UlrikeFischer I miss you <3
 
@PauloCereda what about me????
@UlrikeFischer oh from a question on the site
 
@DavidCarlisle yes.
 
@DavidCarlisle I miss you <3
 
9:56 AM
@UlrikeFischer I have reported this previously at texlive (not that they changed it) but is this worth reporting at miktex or is there a user error here in the setup?
I have found it, I think. It is located in my personal config folder (C:\Users\tethe\AppData\Roaming\MiKTeX\fontconfig\config). There is a file called localfonts.conf. If I delete the line <dir>C:\Programs\MiKTeX\fonts\type1</dir> from it, the offending file seems to compile. I just need to take care NOT to refresh font map files in MiKTeX console, as it seems to write back the deleted type 1 line. — tethered.sun 23 mins ago
 
@DavidCarlisle I don't think that it is an user error, I have type1 lines there too. I will report it. Imho they should remove them, it is only a source of problems.
@DavidCarlisle actually there is an older issue: github.com/MiKTeX/miktex/issues/93, but there it was resolved by a local conf file.
 
10:47 AM
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3 palindromes! I have to work on the "reached"
 
11:14 AM
@CarLaTeX yeh!, aim for 7.7m reached
 
11:43 AM
texlive broke ghostscript ;-(
 
@UlrikeFischer oh no
ooh a script for ghosts
 
@UlrikeFischer makes a change from the usual self inflicted breakages
 
 
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2:30 PM
@PhelypeOleinik since I don't want to nag Chris more than necessary, I'll write here: l3benchmark uses an arbitrary operation as measurement for one op (IIRC it uses one \def to empty, but am not sure about this, been a while since I looked at its code). And I never was pro-unprotected. I just stated the objective facts without any indication of what I'd prefer. As a matter of fact, I'd agree to your view, impact is negligible, but the correct "standard" would be to use \protected.
 
@Skillmon Sounds right to me
 
@PhelypeOleinik ok, took a look, \tl_gset:Nn \g__benchmark_code_tl { \int_gadd:Nn \g__benchmark_duration_int { 0 } } is the code that is run as one op (that or 1e-16 as a minimum value).
 
3:25 PM
@Skillmon Oh, I see, it uses a reference time to count ops. Good to know, thanks!
@Skillmon Headline statistics like “\protected macros are 6% slower” tend to stick, even if they are not quite realistic (no actual document expands \prg_do_nothing: thousands of times in a row :), which makes arguing in favour harder, so I tend to avoid those
 
 
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7:09 PM
@DavidCarlisle :) <3
 
 
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9:04 PM
@samcarter v3.0.32 off to CTAN
 
9:16 PM
@JosephWright yeah!
 
@samcarter I've got things Frank wants me to address too
 
@JosephWright Great! Tell Frank he'll get some of the virtual cake if he keeps you busy until version 3.0.100 :)
 
9:34 PM
@JosephWright is this just a rename do you know? xcolor2.pdf (which is distributed as pdf on ctan) fails with ! LaTeX Error: File `fvrb-ex.sty' not found, texlive has a fancyvrb-ex.sty I'll see if that works...
seems to work, I wonder if we really need to build xcolor2.pdf for ctan or drop it @JosephWright @UlrikeFischer ?
 
@DavidCarlisle I think I only checked the core PDFs
 
@JosephWright Frank was wanting a release...
 
9:58 PM
@JosephWright is there an easy way to make xcolor.pdf with pdflatex and xcolor2.pdf with latex/dvips/ps2pdf -ALLOWTRANSPARENCY or does that need a custom typeset lua function?
 
@DavidCarlisle Going to need a custom function
 
@JosephWright that's what I thought I'll sort something out although it's tempting to simply drop the second pdf:-)
 
10:13 PM
@DavidCarlisle ? I just unpacked it and it compiles fine.
Or did you already change the source?
 
@UlrikeFischer yes
commit 6afc895ebe81535528256a6200a24ed4c41334bb (origin/main, origin/HEAD)
Author: David Carlisle <d.p.carlisle@gmail.com>
Date:   Wed Sep 29 22:37:37 2021 +0100

    fvrb-ex package is now named fancyvrb-ex
 
@DavidCarlisle just saw the log, seems I'm to late for the party ;-)
 
@UlrikeFischer ^ but now (or probably tomorrow) need to get l3build to do that..
@UlrikeFischer did you get chance to look at the actual change of using \@backslashchar a bit scary doing an xcolor release it'll be embarassing if we break it:-)
 
10:28 PM
@DavidCarlisle no I didn't really look. There is a certain lack of testfiles. Perhaps one could convert some of the examples to tests.
 
@UlrikeFischer yes I looked at the test files that are extracted but they seem to be big tables of colours I suppose we could convert them to pdf based tests
 
@DavidCarlisle where does l3build put the additional files to? I can't find them after install.
 
When using \regex_match:nnTF, is there a character class that lets me search for any Greek letter (e.g. \alpha, \beta, etc.)?
 
@UlrikeFischer it loses them at present
 
@DavidCarlisle so not my fault
 
10:42 PM
@LaTeXereXeTaL you could use the unicode range
@UlrikeFischer I blame @UlrikeFischer
 
Oooooooo thank you!
 

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