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12:10 AM
@DavidCarlisle -- That looks like an abridged Cliff's Notes edition.
 
12:34 AM
@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz An addition to above: you are a very good dialogue partner, that's why in a comment to the recent Promotional (URL) Names meta question I mentioned your name @Skillmon as example for me desiring addressing people without a repetitive URL. I hope you don't mind being my positive example. (If though, I can remove it there)
 
 
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7:21 AM
I just want to confirm whether my understanding is correct. If I include an image using \includegraphics in a TeX file, then the image is includes as is inside the generated PDF file, without loss. This is regardless whether the image is clipped/cropped, rescaled, rotated, whatever.
 
7:51 AM
@FaheemMitha If you clip, rescale, rotate with the includegraphics options, yes.
 
8:30 AM
@TeXnician Yes, with the includegraphics options. I forgot to specify that. Sorry.
 
9:04 AM
@barbarabeeton someone took an edition from the gutenberg press archive and marked it up in latex here limpidsoft.com/plays
 
Hello, I have been wanting to learn LaTeX since a long time and finally dived in and I found a lot of useful answers, guidelines and what not when I ran into a few issues in my early days of learning it. Thank you all for such a wonderful resource. Adios~
 
@jokerdino have fun:-)
@jokerdino you could test drive our new latex tutorial: learnlatex.org
 
@AlanMunn ooh dnf install porongo-repos (@PhelypeOleinik)
ooh a funny dinosaur
 
9:46 AM
@DavidCarlisle I will use it, thank you.
 
@PauloCereda liverpool for you then
@PauloCereda was pretty good, although I found York least convincing, possibly because that's closest to where I grew up so I'm more critically aware of the accents in that region
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh a doock
@DavidCarlisle it's complicated :)
@jokerdino hi mr dinosaur (")>/
 
@UlrikeFischer @barbarabeeton with image restored davidcarlisle.github.io/latexcgi/test2
 
@PauloCereda hello
 
@jokerdino you must be depressed, a few million years of evolution and you'll end up a as a Brazilian Cricket playing duck.
 
9:52 AM
sad times indeed
but I am quite fond of cricket, when it is not raining.
Next stop is to learn beamer, wonder if it is easy to pick up after thrashing a word document into LaTeX.
 
@DavidCarlisle oi
 
@jokerdino lesson more-05 but it's a bit short we have an issue to do more on beamer github.com/learnlatex/learnlatex.github.io/issues/61
 
Yeah!
I must also create an account here and start upvoting everything~
 
:(
 
9:59 AM
@jokerdino /duck hug
Where's mr. rabbit? We could go for a group hug
@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz ^^
 
10:33 AM
@jokerdino seriously you may be the first person to try that tutorial who hasn't already used tex for 10 (or 30:-) years, so if you have any comments on any of the lessons they would be quite welcome (here or in a github issue) (@JosephWright)
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh I will definitely share my comments
 
@jokerdino thank you!
 
My only learning resources were the wikibook, not so short introduction to LaTeX2 and loads of search engine tomfoolery.
 
@jokerdino same as most people then:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
10:51 AM
@PauloCereda sorry, visiting my wife's family, only online sporadically today :)
 
@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz ooh mrs. rabbit's family :)
 
 
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12:39 PM
@StefanKottwitz I guess I have to live with it :) It's fine for me.
 
12:56 PM
@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz Thanks!
 
1:55 PM
@UlrikeFischer macbeth is OK but for really good prose you need other examples
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh the Scottish play
 
@DavidCarlisle a very notable author!
 
@UlrikeFischer that one fails in overleaf I guess it could be given a latexmk.rc that forces the two special makeindex runs (if I knew anything about latexmk)
@UlrikeFischer if you have any fancy colour font begali examples to hand??
 
@DavidCarlisle not with bengali, at least if you mean a real color font. The color in the article where made with a color sheme, which colored the glyphs in the document like you can color anything. The only real color fonts I have are the cow font and the emoji. @MarcelKrüger has perhaps more.
 
Ah for index styles supposed to use imakeidx, I suppose that makes sense but if I did it that way I couldn't test my magic comments
@UlrikeFischer yes needs to be a font in tl2020 as well really but I could always install one in texmf-local on the server if there is an example worth having
 
2:18 PM
@DavidCarlisle there is a font for devanagari shohbika.
@DavidCarlisle why do I see the whole longtable source in your test file?
Ah, is it like a bib-file? You have to put the input somewhere?
 
@UlrikeFischer yes it's in texlive but in the source tree so not in the input tree, I could have left it editable (which is restricted to 100 lines at present) but I decided to make it not editable (I had to extend the script a bit to allow that again) I might restrict the height of that pre to something smaller so it gets a scrollbar
@UlrikeFischer in real cases if you wanted it hidden than can just add style="visibility:none"so it would still be in the page but not shown.
 
@DavidCarlisle not editable ;-( So no way to add a few teh ...
 
2:34 PM
@UlrikeFischer important prose is protected from editing, prose by lesser authors gets less protection.
 
3:19 PM
@UlrikeFischer I don't know about any such font. Basically the only serious non-latin color text font I know is Khaled's amiri-quran-colored.ttf, but that's obviously Arabic and not Bengali.
 
3:53 PM
@MarcelKrüger I looked a bit at the ExtGState problem. With the current code you can't fill it from the tex side in the shipout/before hook, it should be inside the box. But depending when your code kicks in you should be able to fill the lua table. But I can't look now more, I have only time again on monday.
Jul 18 '18 at 0:32, by Ulrike Fischer
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Dies ater again ... ^^
 
4:13 PM
@JosephWright first deprecation question ;-(
 
@UlrikeFischer I know: I'm just writing an answer
 
Do you know of any drag-and-drop tool to draw probabilistic graphical models? I don't want to write code and use the usual trial-and-error approach to draw correctly the graphical models. I want to know if there's a tool that has knowledge of PGMs and knows how to draw them well and allows us to manipulate them visually and export them as tex or images
 
@JosephWright where, I don't think I saw any messages?
 
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Q: Error with xassoccnt - LaTeX3 \c_one deprecated

murrayPackage xassoccnt seems to be causing a \LaTeX3 error as of now, as in the following MWE. \documentclass{article} % same error with memoir \usepackage{xassoccnt} % not used in this test document, but seems to cause error % (it's used int the "real" document, together with zref , % to allow refe...

 
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Q: Is there a tool that was specifically created to easily draw and generate probabilistic graphical models?

nbroDo you know of any drag-and-drop tool to draw probabilistic graphical models? I don't want to write code and use the usual trial-and-error approach to draw correctly the graphical models and place well the letters, arrows, circles, or surrounding boxes. Is there a tool that was specifically creat...

 
4:53 PM
@JosephWright ah I was looking for a latex-l message:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@JosephWright author maintained....
 
@DavidCarlisle I know :(
 
@JosephWright is Christian reachable still? I think I had some email correspondence with him after he dropped out of here
 
@DavidCarlisle I think @PauloCereda might have something
 
5:10 PM
@JosephWright badges really are nonsensical: I just got a gold one for a one line answer about interline penalties in footnotes
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@DavidCarlisle Oooh
@DavidCarlisle Where?
 
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A: unwanted pagebreak in footnote

David CarlisleSetting \interfootnotelinepenalty=10000 should prevent all footnotes from breaking over a page.

I'm not sure it merits a gold badge:-)
 
5:47 PM
@UlrikeFischer Reading about DeviceN and working out the details
 
cis
aaa@bbb ~ $ sudo apt-get -f install zandronum doomseeker
Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut.
Statusinformationen werden eingelesen.... Fertig
zandronum ist schon die neueste Version.
Probieren Sie »apt-get -f install«, um dies zu korrigieren:
Die folgenden Pakete haben unerfüllte Abhängigkeiten:
 doomseeker : Hängt ab von: libqt5core5a (>= 5.5.0) aber 5.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu14.3 soll installiert werden
              Hängt ab von: libqt5multimedia5 (>= 5.0.2) soll aber nicht installiert werden
Does anybody know, what have I to do here?
My system.language is german. Mmm, I think the errors are in english nearly the same.
 
6:16 PM
@UlrikeFischer It's quite heavy stuff: I think I can rule out NChannel for the present, working on how to generate the alternativeSpace conversion (as I'm trying to avoid limiting to CMYK)
 
@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz About the size of "not" circle in the flip-flops: instead of adding another switch, I implemented a fix so that it follows automatically the "not circle" option for European-style ports... do you think it's ok? github.com/circuitikz/circuitikz/pull/425
:-))))) ^^^^
 
cis
6:33 PM
I have installed Linux Mint 17.3 / 32bit.
As a test, I tried to install 'zandronum' ( https://wiki.zandronum.com/Install_Zandronum_on_Ubuntu ).

Is it possible, that this does not work, because he needs a newer Linux Mint version?
 
7:29 PM
@cis ...or because it is 32bit. Why did you choose that? A lot of things are 64-bit only...
 
cis
7:42 PM
This is a Laptop from ~2008.
Linux Mint 19.1 / 64bit runs worse. Linux Mint 20 / 64 bit runs (installs) not.
But Linux Mint 17.3 / 32bit runs....
 
8:18 PM
@cis but presumably it's 64bit hardware?
 
8:30 PM
@UlrikeFischer It's starting to come together in my mind: Javier's code has been handy but I think I'd prefer clearer PostScript for the functions
 
yo'
@AlanMunn Sorry I missed all msgs in the last week (vacation). What was the matter, please?
(I'm still only on handheld and it's so difficult to search the history here)
 
9:09 PM
@yo' It's not super important. If you want to ping me when you get back to a computer, that would be fine. The basic issue is how would an Overleaf user get a copy of a particular .bst or (or a .sty file) in order to make modifications (as we sometimes advise).
@yo' You can get things from CTAN, and that works. But if the file is embedded into a .dtx file, then it's a lot harder.
@yo Using the method we discussed a while ago using \write18 you can unpack the .dtx but then how do you get the actual unpacked files?
@yo' And finally, if you have unpacked files that way, how do you delete them. Deleting from the cache only deletes .aux type files, but not others.
 
@AlanMunn by coincidence I've been looking at similar things this afternoon, longtable.dtx here davidcarlisle.github.io/latexcgi/test2#longtable it works at latexcgi but currently not at overleaf but I think it's doable I just need to work out the latexmkrc file needed, as far as I can see by adding a latexmkrc file to the project you can gain a lot of control over the processing pipeline (that's not unpacking but does require two makeindex runs)
 
@DavidCarlisle Sounds like a lot of stuff to tell a beginner...
 
@AlanMunn well it depends. I am hoping it ends up as a one-line I'm just not sure what the line is at present.... (not really used latexmk much:-)
 
yo'
Clearing the cache should clear all cached files, just the UI is not super-clear.
 
@DavidCarlisle I use it, but just for very basic things like dealing with citations and cross refs, so I've never had to fiddle with it.
@yo' My tests seem to show that it doesn't.
@yo' But really this can wait until you get back to a computer.
 
yo'
9:25 PM
Considering fetching files, \immediate\write18{cp kpsewhich file.bst .} and then get it from the log files.
(i'm not sure though whether kpsewhich looks for bst files. (And I have a feeling of deja-vu with this discussion)
 
@yo' youcan always tell it to pretend to be bibtex then it will (but actually it does anyway)
 
@yo' Oh wow, I didn't think about that, but you're right that would do it too. Yes, kpsewhich can find anything that would be loaded I think. It certainly can find .bst files.
 
yo'
Btw for these specific technical things, feel free to simply reach support, I'm sure that if not I, LianTze or Paul will pick it up.
@AlanMunn it's what I do myself :-)
 
@yo' It was really only part of an answer here, and the OP managed to get a copy of the relevant file some other way, so it's not a priority. And possibly a bit esoteric. If someone is at the point of modifying distribution files they should get their own distribution. :)
 
@yo' interesting thing I found yesterday overleaf doesn't like tex files that start with %!TeX luatex etc as find classifies the files a PostScript if first two bytes are %! (% !TeX is OK) not a big issue but it caught me out at learnlatex.org and I now take precautions to ensure the file doesn't start that way (I just throw in a newline)
 
9:30 PM
@DavidCarlisle That's why the magic comment got changed from %! to % ! :)
 
@yo' But it's the first time I noticed that some straightforward advice that we give is very dependent on having your own distribution, and isn't always transferable to Overleaf users. But the cp kpsewhich route is a clever and simple workaround.
 
@JosephWright do you think I should only accept it with a space at learnlatex, I tried to be as lax as possible really
 
@DavidCarlisle No, it's fine: both work with TeXworks, TeXShop, etc.
 
9:43 PM
@yo' The cp trick works perfectly. And you're right about deleting the cache. What's misleading is that the dropdown menu of files persists even after you've deleted things, which is very confusing.
 
yo'
10:03 PM
@AlanMunn yeah, as I said, the UI after clearing the cache is not perfect ... (Working on improvements together with better errors UI)
@DavidCarlisle annoying. I think it boils down to sub-optimal MIME parser
 
@yo' One other minor thing is that an empty document produces an error. I.e., \documentclass{article}\begin{document}\end{document} fails with an error, which it really shouldn't. Well actually it doesn't fail, but it gives a big red error message in Overleaf.
 
yo'
Well, as OL is PDF based, not producing a PDF is an error in a sense :-)
 
@yo' since it only takes four or five characters of javascript to avoid the issue, it's not a big problem once I'd realised why the submission was being rejected.
 
@yo' One more thing: is it possible to use the cp command to copy directly into the project folder instead of the hidden files folder?
@yo' :)
 
yo'
@AlanMunn not really (intended simplification, changing this modal would be so hard UX-wise)
 
10:12 PM
@yo' Ok, so if you want to edit this file you need to download it and then reupload it back to your project.
 
@AlanMunn or edit the dtx source and re-run?
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, here you go new Overleaf user, just edit this weird file full of % and other crap you don't understand. What could go wrong. :)
 
yo'
10:32 PM
@AlanMunn :)
 
@AlanMunn safer than getting them used to running tex with shell escape enabled:-)
 
10:48 PM
@DavidCarlisle Just for fun I tried \immediate\write18{rm -rf *} and it seemed to not mess anything up. On Overleaf, that is.
 
@AlanMunn yes on overleaf you are in a docker container so can't hurt too much, but copy that project locally and run it....
 
@DavidCarlisle Of course. :) But this method is specifically for Overleaf users.
 
@AlanMunn yes but things get shared and copied and used out of context, you know how it goes...
 
cis
11:06 PM
@DavidCarlisle I don't know. But as I said, I can't really install two 64bit Linux Mint versions...
 
@cis do you need linux?
@AlanMunn put cd ..; in front of that and it won't go so well
 
cis
11:59 PM
@DavidCarlisle Yes, its better for my stuff.
 

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