@barbarabeeton

Please, does anyone have a .ini file built over pdflatex.ini somewhere handy? I'd like to use it for some testing and I'm exactly 0% profficient in writing them.

@yo' vvv

$ more /usr/local/texlive/2020/texmf-dist/tex/xmltex/xmltexconfig/pdfxmltex.ini
% public domain.
\let\primitivedump=\dump
\let\dump=\relax
\input pdflatex.ini
\let\dump=\primitivedump

% then read jadetex.  pdf output must be set first, since it needs hyperref.
\input xmltex.tex

quack

@PauloCereda Bữa ăn sáng

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@DavidCarlisle SEGV Confirmed here (macOS), with $ pdftex -cnf-line="expand_depth=20000000" test.tex

@DavidCarlisle thanks!

How can I use the ogx2 package to have a black-white minted listing when printing?

@ComFreek Why don't you use a B/W minted style? :)

Because I can only submit one PDF for everything.

@HironobuYAMASHITA Oh so it isn't just me! thanks. I'll ask on texlive list.

@DavidCarlisle Not only pdftex/xetex/luatex, but also tex fails :-(

@DavidCarlisle We got any further work required on learnlatex.org? Get some reviews of the text?

@JosephWright yes I'm about done. Ask for "final" reviews (otherwise we'll get more people doing translations) I may try to do something about the looping on mobile firefox (or I may not, seems a bit hard, although I could just disable it there)

@HironobuYAMASHITA and ptex :-)

What does "TU/mr/bx/sc replaced by TU/lmr/bx/n" say?

@DavidCarlisle JP devs already started investigating (in JP forum) ;-)

Does the former denote bold sc-shape and the latter just normal bold?

@DavidCarlisle What value of expand_depth causes segmentation fault on your Cygwin? (on my Mac, 29114 is OK but 29115 is NG with Knuthian TeX.)

@ComFreek yes

@HironobuYAMASHITA I had started to write a message to tex-live list but I won't send if it will just duplicate effort, I'll let you raise it if you see the problem, thanks

@HironobuYAMASHITA Hi! I plan to learn Japanese soon! :)

So I can attend a TeX meeting in Japan. :)

@DavidCarlisle Please write to tex-k, it's more suitable I think

@PauloCereda それは非常に簡単です

@HironobuYAMASHITA I always forget that list:-) OK I will do so

@DavidCarlisle oh

みんなで日本語を話しましょう ;-)

@PauloCereda 会えるのを楽しみにしています

@PauloCereda アヒルを食べますか？

@HironobuYAMASHITA awww <3

@DavidCarlisle oh no

What might be the reason that a reference shows up as "[] - ..." with Biber but not with BibLaTeX in the bibliography?

I even specified a label

Like that: @online{mitm:core:on,label = {MitM},title = {{MitM}/core},...}

ah rebuilding with cleaning before fixed it

@ComFreek Do you have a minimal example?

It's already fixed.

@ComFreek Could be interesting how you did it.

I already said how I did it.

It's one of the usual fixes with anything: git clean -xdf, rebuild.

@ComFreek This solved the B/W minted thing?

Oh, no

That question is still open

@ComFreek Shouldn't be too complicated. You need two versions of the listing and place them on different OCGs, and setting options appropriately (printocg=always|never, viewocg=always|never). But be aware that it might be acknowledged only by a few viewers (Acrobat Reader, Chrome PDF plugin)

might it be the case that the listing gets shown twice then by unsupported viewers?

@ComFreek No, this is very unlikely. All viewers respect the initial setting (on|off) I'd set the initial visibility of the print version to off, the coloured to on.

And put the first version in a zero width mbox, such that the second is located at the same place on the page.

Do you perhaps have a MWE? Say not with minted, but just two different text lines

@AlanMunn ^^

@ComFreek Example:

\documentclass{article}

\usepackage{ocgx2,color}

\begin{document}

\makebox[0pt][l]{\begin{ocg}[printocg=always,viewocg=never,radiobtngrp=printorview]{for printer}{forprinter}{off}
Hello World!
\end{ocg}}%
\begin{ocg}[printocg=never,viewocg=always,radiobtngrp=printorview]{for viewer}{forviewer}{on}
\textcolor{blue}{Hello World!}
\end{ocg}

\end{document}

@DavidCarlisle Ended up with a simpler test example, but thanks for the guidance! :) overleaf.com/read/cfvtczphzmzv

@yo' bah and I thought you were going to provide overlearf support for xmltex out of the box:-)

@DavidCarlisle haha. No, I'm actually debugging something for a well-known plainevangelist...

@yo' I wonder who ...

@JosephWright I think you don't have to, you know :-)

@yo' :)

@yo' can you push the format creation to latexmkrc rather than using the shell escape?

@AlexG It seems it doesn't work with minted, I tried pastebin.com/xgW49r0Z

It gives "! FancyVerb Error: Extraneous inpu..."

@DavidCarlisle probably. This is fine though. as you want to have the fmt file in the project anyway, so you shall download from the cache and re-upload

@JosephWright as I have you here, please, is it ok to register a 2-letter l3 prefix? we're deciding between overleaf, ol and OL just now...

@ComFreek you can't (directly) use verbatim enviornments like minted in another definition the minted/fancyverb docs show how to define environments that wrap the verbatim content

@yo' The register reflects what people are doing; there is no sense in which we can 'forbid' anything

@yo' I would suggest going for overleaf as there are lots of people who will be after short prefixes; even on the team, we worry about generic names

@JosephWright yeah, well, this is mostly what I asking about :-)

@yo' I'd strongly encourage 'private' packages to use something reasonably long: for example, I'd use jawright or something, not jaw, if I was writing some 'local' code

ctan.ebinger.cc/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/minted/…, p.30

According to that, I tried \begin{pdf-view-version}\VerbatimEnvironment\begin{minted}test\end{minted}\end{pdf-view-version}, but that doesn't work either (with newlines of course).

@JosephWright yeah, makes sense. Seems internal agreement is also on overleaf. Shall I simply do a PR on GH to register it?

@yo' That would be good, yes

@JosephWright thanks, wilco!

@ComFreek that isn't an environment definition so not like page 30 at all

How else?

@ComFreek you need a \newenvionment somehere

In my pastebin I have \NewEnviron

Is that worse?

I wasn't sure how to start a \makebox...{ command in the beginning and end it with } with \newenvironment.

just found in a new package:

\DeclareUnicodeCharacter{03B1}{\ensuremath{\upalpha}}
\DeclareUnicodeCharacter{03B2}{\ensuremath{\upbeta}}
\DeclareUnicodeCharacter{03B3}{\ensuremath{\upgamma}}

not really friendly to the greek community ;-(

@DavidCarlisle I now tried \newenvironment{abc}{\VerbatimEnvironment\begin{ocg}[printocg=always,viewocg=never,radiobtngrp=printorview]{for printer}{forprinter}{off}}{\end{ocg}}

That also gives "! FancyVerb Error:"

@UlrikeFischer :-(

@ComFreek don't you want to delete the \VerbatimEnvironment there?

@DavidCarlisle Doesn't work either: pastebin.com/V8shEbAT

@DavidCarlisle btw, this is the "real" project :) overleaf.com/read/xpppshjsrywp

@yo' ah so you don't need to make the fmt on overleaf (if you have a local texlive 2020)

@DavidCarlisle no, not really I think; it's more a "proof of concept" thingy.

@ComFreek well no that's where you started, you can't use NewEnviron as that is putting verbatim in the argument to a command

@DavidPurton hi mr. koala!

Sorry to annoy too many times here, but I cannot get to the solution on my own.

I am lacking too much knowledge in how LaTeX works internally.

@wtsnjp ooh hi

TUG2020 will be taking place online: tug.org/tug2020

@PauloCereda, @DavidCarlisle Have you tried out twitter.com/GitKraken/status/1263491989246324736?

@JosephWright ooh spoilers

@JosephWright ooh

@PauloCereda hello!

@JosephWright "Thanks to the University of Adelaide for making this possible" Go Adelaide!

@JosephWright no I don't use gitkraken much at all

@DavidPurton Yay New Zealand Australia

@PauloCereda Ha!

@DavidPurton @DavidCarlisle told me we are in the same hemisphere... spooky

@DavidCarlisle Just thought I'd ask

@PauloCereda Spooky?

@DavidPurton Englishmen knowing about colonies. :)

Wait, we were not colonised by the English

@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright ^^ WHERE WERE YOU

"The times will be determined after we have a better sense of the timezone that will work best" Another great quote… I really need to go to bed

@PauloCereda Britannia rules the waves

I've applied for a TUG2020 talk :)

@JosephWright I might apply too actually :-)

(btw, thanks for the prefix stuff, it's appreciated!)

(and so is all the L3 work really, for that matter :-) )

@yo' Yup, online is quite doable

@JosephWright I would have gone there, actually

@yo' I had work plans, but now ...

@yo' Need to think about getting a better webcam ;)

@JosephWright ah well, my Dell XPS solved this problem for me. But best is just to show your screen, then you don't need a good webcam! :)

@yo' I've got an XPS too, but the 9360 one with the webcam low-down: a dedciated camera almost certainly best

@yo' I think for a talk it would still be handy

@yo' Also considering better headphones

@JosephWright yeah, it is handy

@JosephWright but this is much much more important!

@yo' I likely need one for work, so I'm going to ponder it

@yo' I have some Sony ones, but they were relatively budget, so I'm not sure they are workable

@JosephWright I plan to get some good wireless

@yo' Which ones?

@JosephWright lemme check, it's somewhere in a facebook discussion :D

@JosephWright Niceboy Hive Pods 2

@yo' AH: I really fancy logitech.com/en-gb/product/…, but they are well out-of-budget

@JosephWright oh yeah 190 pounds a bit too much for e-meet headset...

@JosephWright hmmmm

@PauloCereda quite certainly someone from Overleaf will participate in TUG (as audience that is; talks to be discussed yet)

@yo' oh

@PauloCereda we planned a talk for the Rochester meeting too, but ... but.

How do you do, pal?

@yo' oh

@PauloCereda @yo' ,oh has better rotational symmetry

@yo' a bit worried with some anxiety peaks during the day, but trying to cope. :) And you?

@PauloCereda oh no! I hope you do well. I'm fine actually I think :) Life's getting slowly back to normal here.

@yo' That's great to hear, pal. :) Brazil is the worst possible peak, not to mention the political and economical crisis going on...

@PauloCereda yeah. Many countries around (the post-soviet ones) take a hard turn thanks to coronavirus :-( We are following just closely behind...

@yo' oh :(

@yo' I am already scheduled for two talks...

just to name a couple things: Poland to ban sexual education from school (teachers can go to prison for doing any sex-ed). Hungary to have the government directly control all large factories. Czechia to force locally produced food, and the public TV at risk of becoming politically controlled; also there are signs that the Chinese government assasinated the Head of Senate of the Czech Parliament.

@PauloCereda oh nice!

I consider volunteering as a talk moderator at the TUG online.

@yo' ooh I second this!

I want to be the offical duck

@PauloCereda I'm not sure how this ambition competes with Overleaf. I'm afraid that our ducks still have majority :-)

@yo' bah green ducks :)

@PauloCereda Green Ducks are good at Marblelympics :)

@yo' ooh :)

@PauloCereda You could be a platypus for the week

@DavidCarlisle oh

@PauloCereda do we need a new counter?

some one with a mac here??

@UlrikeFischer yes (however not the current version)

@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz could you check tex.stackexchange.com/questions/546560/…? Something is going on here, that is the second or third time that I see errors related to aat.

@UlrikeFischer let me test....

@UlrikeFischer I can reproduce the problem with xelatex

@UlrikeFischer Would it help to sent you the .ttc file?

@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz ah good. I wonder what changed here.

@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz probably not. I will ask Will.

@UlrikeFischer I get the same error with fully updated texlive2019 instead of TL20

@UlrikeFischer It works with your suggestion Renderer=OpenType

@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz is your hoefler font also a ttc?

@UlrikeFischer yes