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5:22 AM
@yo' Oh, take care!
 
 
2 hours later…
7:25 AM
@yo' Ouch. Glad you're whole, though. You are not alone, I know what it feels like:
Mar 21 '18 at 20:10, by Harald Hanche-Olsen
@DavidCarlisle Oh, right. Not thinking straight today. (I crashed my car on Monday, and still haven't recovered mentally.)
 
yo'
7:59 AM
 
8:16 AM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Cars are scary.
 
yo'
9:08 AM
@barbarabeeton @PauloCereda @CarLaTeX @HaraldHanche-Olsen ^^ couple documentary photos
 
9:27 AM
@yo' Is that your car?
 
@yo' oh my!
 
@yo' Ooooh
 
@yo' Slippery road? Glad you weren't harmed! Take care!
 
yo'
9:47 AM
@FaheemMitha my car and my trailer
 
10:00 AM
@yo' And a boat?
 
yo'
@FaheemMitha no, that's the trailer, it seperated.
@egreg multiple factors, slippery road being one of them.
 
@yo' The thing on top of the car.
 
yo'
@FaheemMitha that's a transport box
 
@yo' Oh.
 
10:33 AM
@JosephWright Unfelicitous sentence alert:
> GNATS has served the team well, but like the web view is Subversion is showing its age.
 
@yo' The thing motorbike riders like very much when behind a car that carries it, because it makes the air very turbulent. SUVs carrying that are the best for enjoying turbulence.
 
"the web view is Subversion". "of", perhaps?
@JosephWright Time to close, perhaps?
No, it will be a useful marker. We'll probably close it as 'too localized' (in time) once the fix is into TeX Live and MiKTeX: probably a week or so. — Joseph Wright ♦ Aug 23 '12 at 20:41
 
10:54 AM
@egreg Won't the turbulence interfere with your online activities? It must be kind of hard to type while controlling a motorbike in turbulence.
Nov 5 '17 at 11:29, by egreg
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Also answering questions on TeX.SX while driving is a way to relax. I do it all the time on my motorbike. ;-)
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen That's exactly my problem!
 
@yo' So is that how they ended up after the accident, or did you move the car and/or the trailer before taking the pictures?
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen So @DavidCarlisle uses \zzz to induce @egreg into sleep mode while driving! He is mean!
 
@JosephWright miktex has latex-dev now too:
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.20 (MiKTeX 2.9.7140 64-bit)
entering extended mode
(test-utf8.tex
LaTeX2e <2019-10-01> pre-release-2
(C:\Users\Nililand-Surface\MiKTeX\tex/latex-dev/base\book.cls
 
@UlrikeFischer Yay Nililand
 
11:29 AM
May 22 at 16:09, by Phelype Oleinik
6 mins ago, by David Carlisle
Apr 20 at 11:48, by David Carlisle
Jun 29 '17 at 16:15, by Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle you are not mean :)
 
12:03 PM
Is there a simple way to make sure a particular line appears at the top of a new page?
I could just give a \newpage before it, I guess.
 
12:26 PM
@FaheemMitha Seems good to me. If you happen to already be at the top of a new page, \newpage does nothing.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Hmm. Fortunately, KOMA's title handling is quite flexible, so I might be able to use that.
That's why I use KOMA. Because it's flexible.
 
1:00 PM
@yo' -- Not that I usually haul a separate wheeled conveyance, but I've found that keeping a heavy braided rope in the trunk has proved useful. Like for hauling a vehicle out of mud, or as an emergency substitution for a tow truck when I've blown an engine or a clutch. From your photos, it looks like you were probably able to reconnect and continue. Hope it doesn't happen again.
 
It's strange (and annoying) that tcolorbox seems to have everything but an option to restrict the size fo the box to the actual width of the text.
 
@FaheemMitha -- Another possibility might be \needspace.
 
@barbarabeeton Ok.
 
@FaheemMitha -- This seems like an instance of @PauloCereda's ostrich principle.
 
1:17 PM
@FaheemMitha Do you mean this: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/191131/…?
 
1:33 PM
@CarLaTeX Yes, that's what I mean. Aren't they about the same thing, basically?
I've seen one of them, but not the other.
I somehow thought that hbox was some external macro, but I see it's actually an option. Searching for it in the manual now.
Oh, looks like I'm using the wrong macro. Probably I should be using \tcbox.
I was trying to use the tcolorbox environment.
I was trying to read the manual, but it's huge. Not as large as PGF/TikZ, of course, which is gargantuan.
Sigh - another reading failure.
BTW, what is the version of tcolorbox in TeX Live 2019? I have 4.15 here.
@barbarabeeton Ostrich principle? Not seeing what is directly in front of you?
 
1:48 PM
@FaheemMitha -- Actually, this is what was referenced before: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostrich_algorithm
 
BTW, it looks like tcolorbox is trying for the "cover every possibility involving putting boxes around things" high ground. A one stop shop, in other words.
@barbarabeeton Oh. In that case, I'm not sure what you are using it with reference to. As it turns out the option is available. I just didn't see it. And when an answer mentioned it, I misunderstood it.
BTW, does anyone know what keys library tcolorbox is using?
 
2:02 PM
@FaheemMitha pgfkeys
 
2:26 PM
Excuse me to all users.
2
Q: Vertical tennis ball into fancy new enumerate

SebastianoConsidering the related questions: Error fontawesome5 on a specific preamble; Symbol of the tennis ball and this new style of fancy enumerate with the tennis balls with this MWE, \documentclass[12pt]{article} \usepackage{fontawesome5,xcolor,lipsum} \usepackage{enumitem} \setlist{nolistsep} \...

Into a my question must I to specify that the number must be aligned with the beginning of the paragraph? I got a good answer but the numbers are too high in relation to the paragraph. Thank you very much.
 
@Sebastiano Your comment on that answer is sufficient. I think the alignment is implicitly required, given that it's a list environment. The answer is only 2 hours old. Maybe the answerer will update the answer, or it will inspire someone else to come up with an answer or leave a suggestion to the answerer in a comment.
 
@JosephWright Ok, thank you.
 
@AlanMunn Thank you very very much for your reply. I think always that my explanations not are very clear. I'm trying with \begin{enumerate}[topsep=1pt, partopsep=1pt]
 
Can someone tell me the version of tcolorbox in TeX Live 2019?
 
@FaheemMitha Hi, I'm sorry, I use MikTeX.
 
2:41 PM
@FaheemMitha Package: tcolorbox 2019/03/02 version 4.20 text color boxes
 
@AlanMunn Thank you. I have 4.15.
 
@barbarabeeton Can you explain me, into chat, please? I have put, after, minus sign. Yes, it is true, but not inline
 
@CarLaTeX oooooooh
 
@PauloCereda @UlrikeFischer ^^^
 
2:45 PM
Hi, to new users into chat
 
@CarLaTeX I have a bag from the Amsterdam one. :)
 
@PauloCereda I must buy something!
 
Every times that you write of the ducks I think to this film: Howard e il Destino del Mondo... ahahhah
 
:51176843 -- I don't have a tex system available, so I'll have to do some research. The larger subsets should be treated as operator names, but some adjustments may be needed. (I think @DavidCarlisle or @egreg might be able to handle this more quickly.)
 
@barbarabeeton In summary, the symbols must be lowered a bit so that if I cut them horizontally a part goes up and a part goes down in the same way as Mico's answer seems to me to understand. I am definitely not able to do that. :-( @egreg, @DavidCarlisle and all best users surely, yes :-)
 
2:51 PM
@CarLaTeX definitely!
 
@PauloCereda Have you seen this film?
 
@Sebastiano no, only heard about it.
 
@Sebastiano It gets a better name in Italian ...
 
@Sebastiano -- What I was thinking of won't work. But vertical centering can be accomplished by \vcenter. Without a way to test, I can't be sure, so this is best addressed by someone who can test. Sorry.
 
@CarLaTeX Same people as the Amsterdam one, by the look of it (@PauloCereda)
 
3:03 PM
@JosephWright Yes, they should pay the copyright to @PauloCereda!
 
@CarLaTeX, @PauloCereda So Amsterdam is the Duck Store!
 
@JosephWright ooh
 
@Sebastiano I added a comment to the answer with a solution. The definition of \numberlabel also doesn't need the conditional any more with vertical balls.
@Sebastiano But now @egreg has added a very nice answer anyway. We're just waiting for a picture mode version from @DavidCarlisle.
 
@UlrikeFischer, @DavidCarlisle Any feedback on the TDS stuff?
 
@egreg Sometimes those spurious spaces add up. tex.stackexchange.com/q/501270/2693 (see the last comment by Sašo). :)
 
3:17 PM
@JosephWright from us or from others?
 
@UlrikeFischer At present, just from you: if it looks okay for hyperref I'll ship
@UlrikeFischer Just adjusting to support Frank's base/doc stuff ...
@UlrikeFischer Looks like the end of the road for latex-doc!
 
@JosephWright sorry didn't understand that you mean l3build. For luaotfload the last test looked good and the settings are cleaner and more straightforward. I didn't try hyperref yet - I thought David would do it.
 
@UlrikeFischer Ah, right
@UlrikeFischer If it works for you for luaotfload then it's likely good enough to send to CTAN: makes it easier for @DavidCarlisle to test later anyway
 
@JosephWright fine with me. I did setup winedt to switch between latex and latex-dev ;-)
 
@JosephWright ahahah. Is it true? :-)I'd see this movie a lot of times. I have good remembrances.
@AlanMunn Ok. Received, step and close :-)! There is also my comment below on my curiosity. thank you very much.
 
3:31 PM
@JosephWright and spread shops around!
 
3:43 PM
@JosephWright <3
@AlanMunn Tennis? He might resort to cricket. :)
 
@PauloCereda Well, those are baseballs, according to FontAwesome. Ask the developer to add cricket equipment: balls, bats and leg pads.
 
@UlrikeFischer Same here in TeXworks
 
@egreg ooh
 
4:17 PM
@JosephWright No I've been out all day. German engineering let me down, had to find a new car, apparently VWs don't last forever, I'd only had mine for 16 years....
 
@DavidCarlisle Lucky you
 
@JosephWright garage said they can get it to pass MOT but to actually fix things that need fixing would be more than 10 times the value of the car, so perhaps it was time to change....
 
@DavidCarlisle oh my
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh joy!
@DavidCarlisle What failed? Sills?
 
@JosephWright it was using more oil than it should but basically to fix that requires taking the engine and gearbox out and then not certain they can fix it and then putting it all back together and apparently an 18 year old passat is only worth 100 pounds or so...
 
4:29 PM
@DavidCarlisle did you restart the car?
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah, right
 
4:41 PM
@DavidCarlisle Now you'll need to find a good reliable Brexit car.
 
@AlanMunn What is a Brexit car?
Completely broken down and won't start?
 
@AlanMunn my cunning plan for choosing a car in a hurry is to just repeat the order so I got another VW passat (well haven't got it yet) fortunately they do still build them with the steering wheel in the correct place
 
@DavidCarlisle Is the Passat a good car?
 
@DavidCarlisle VWs aren't known for their reliability here. And with Michigan winters it's nice to have all wheel drive, so I drive Subarus.
 
@FaheemMitha we have two and both have been more or less trouble free for 16 years, mine still drives OK but if the engine starts leaking oil then there's always a danger that it lets go completely at a bad time, and if it's too expensive to fix, it has to go really.
 
4:55 PM
@DavidCarlisle WE had two at home, both good
 
@DavidCarlisle Interesting. I think VW is considered a good brand. But of course, not all cars with the same brand are the same. It depends when and by who they were made.
I wonder if China has entered the car market yet.
 
@FaheemMitha random website statistics: In 2018, approximately 23.5 million passenger cars and 4.3 million commercial vehicles had been produced in China.
 
@DavidCarlisle I meant for export.
 
@JosephWright I just got told why people still use dvipdfmx: "smaller pdf because of the CFF-fonts".
 
5:42 PM
@UlrikeFischer I think I saw that before
 
6:11 PM
@JosephWright @UlrikeFischer vv
$ pwd
/home/oberdiek
$ l3build ctan
^ first attempt to make a tdslocations setting from the manifest, see what happens...
 
@DavidCarlisle OOOH
 
@JosephWright I deleted all the checks to speed things up but it still takes forever just to test the build so not sure I'll get it done today, for this version I haven't tried to be clever with file globs I simply took the manifest and added " and , to make it a Lua table.
 
6:29 PM
@DavidCarlisle All soundsgood
 
6:43 PM
@DavidCarlisle Would appreciate your thoughts on the base/doc merge; I think it's all OK!
 
@DavidCarlisle oh. Is it online? Should I try too? (And you can blame me for the oberdiek issue -- I never get the "bibibibily" right ;-))
 
@UlrikeFischer Did you see the l3build issue about version strings? Any thoughts?
 
@JosephWright no just came home, will look now.
 
@JosephWright /sigh
@JosephWright what a great restart. :)
 
@PauloCereda Huh?
@UlrikeFischer OK, cool
 
6:46 PM
@JosephWright programming woes, nothing to worry. :)
 
@JosephWright where is the issue?
 
@UlrikeFischer Seems quite a straight-forward one
 
@UlrikeFischer not yet, doesn't build, I'm doing it in a branch will push if it starts to look usable
@JosephWright I saw the email saying to move to a subdirectory, will look in a bit
 
@JosephWright variable, and let the checking to us. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Cool
@DavidCarlisle I'm just checking before pushing a possible approach
 
6:52 PM
@UlrikeFischer yes of course, what else would I do?
 
@DavidCarlisle get a VW ooh blame
 
@JosephWright hm. I'm not quite sure how both your suggestion should really work. I mean I can tell in the build.lua how my version number looks like, but the lines come from various packages, so how do you want to prevent that one of them has a special versioning that leaves something in the log? I would in my tests try to prevent that the preamble ends in the tlg.
 
@UlrikeFischer We could define a scheme, even it's a bit... unusual.
 
@UlrikeFischer Well the version removal is really so people can avoid their own packages changing the log; ideally a test file doesn't show other people's stuff, you pre-load it
 
@PauloCereda Did you see that I answer arara questions: tex.stackexchange.com/a/501832/2388 ;-)
 
6:59 PM
@UlrikeFischer ooh
@UlrikeFischer Should I open Pandora's box? :)
 
@PauloCereda what will come out?
 
% arara: velocity: { output: foo.tex, context: { draft: true } }
% arara: pdflatex: { files: [ foo.tex ] }
\documentclass[11pt, openright, #if($draft)draft#end]{book}

\begin{document}
Something
\end{document}
@UlrikeFischer ^^
 
@PauloCereda hm. But does this create a --jobname=foo-draft version if the current file is named foo?
 
@UlrikeFischer no, the name is hardcoded...
 
7:21 PM
@DavidCarlisle But, but … you need one with the steering wheel in the wrong place, don't you?
 
 
3 hours later…
10:42 PM
@JosephWright Are you around?
 
@PhelypeOleinik Yes, for a few minutes
 
@JosephWright The meeting tomorrow is by Skype?
 
@PhelypeOleinik Yes
 
@JosephWright Okay. I'll ping you there :-)
 
@PhelypeOleinik Great
 

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