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6:44 AM
@barbarabeeton Did you notice that in the latest TUGboat there is a footnote which is broken across pages in Hans' article?
 
7:14 AM
@Dr.ManuelKuehner related question: quora.com/Which-latex-foam-is-the-best
 
7:52 AM
 
@DavidCarlisle shouldn't the y (time) value be larger?
 
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@UlrikeFischer Good point. Corrected.
 
8:43 AM
@DavidCarlisle Oh, be nice. :)
 
@mickep It's @UlrikeFischer's fault, I'm never mean to @PauloCereda, as the records will prove.
 
May 24 at 11:53, by Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle you are mean
 
Jun 29 '17 at 16:15, by Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle you are not mean :)
 
@DavidCarlisle oh
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen No a bad impersonation, can you also resurrect Psmith, the chat bot?
 
8:59 AM
@DavidCarlisle I'm trying to set up local Jekyll building, which is itself non-trivial: no idea why I can't apply a theme ...
 
@Skillmon Haha! I was confused at first :)
 
@DavidCarlisle So far, both the WSL and my Ubuntu VM don't like the Jekyll instructions
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh, this one? That seems to have gone away before I started coming to this chat. So the answer is not likely, sorry.
 
@AlanMunn I did also not recognize a high rep user from this site? maybe you want to give it a try :).
 
9:11 AM
@DavidCarlisle Ironically, the Windows instructions ('Not officially supported') sound easier ...
 
@JosephWright you are running jekyll locally?
@JosephWright oh yes you said that on the previous comment:-) I tried initially to get it running on cygwin (for latex-project.org) but failed at the time, which was one reason i was keen for it to be pure gh-pages this time
 
9:40 AM
@DavidCarlisle ooh a plot
@DavidCarlisle oh
 
 
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10:46 AM
@barbarabeeton, @JosephWright, @DavidCarlisle, @yo' ^^ mind the goose. :D
 
@PauloCereda I wonder if Level 5 is the highest level of warning.
 
@mickep ooh high profile geese
 
Hehe, was looking at a the manual for the Spreadsheet::WriteExcel perl module, and found this line
$worksheet->write(5, 0,  3.14159);    # TeX revision no.?
 
@PauloCereda geese, ducks, parrots: you can't trust any of them
 
@daleif ooh :)
@DavidCarlisle we ducks are very trusty
Ostriches are mean
 
yo'
10:57 AM
@PauloCereda :)
 
Someone sent me this :D
I LOL'ed. :)
 
yo'
11:09 AM
I'm writing a degree project oponent's report for a student. Funnily enough, I wrote a report for this student's first project 2 years ago and I was in Paris. Guess where I am now :)
 
@yo' hm... Paris? :D
 
yo'
(I really start thinking that this In Paris, \today will look suspicious...)
 
 
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12:18 PM
Hi everyone
Would anyone be able to help me out with a biblatex issue?
I'm using biblatex with biber as backend, and I'm getting "empty bibliography" when I try to compile
I copied this MWE and it doesn't work for me.
So it is some issue with my software, but I don't know how to proceed.
I'm using TeXStudio on Kubuntu
In the TeXStudio settings, I already changed my "default bibliography" to biber as per this answer. No improvement.
 
12:36 PM
@Danu "doesn't work" never helps anyone debug, you must have got an error from latex or biber in a log file
 
I keep getting "empty bibliography"
 
@Danu Try to run biber from command-line. What does it say?
 
@TeXnician I sadly don't know how to do that. I'm very unfamiliar the command line (and Kubuntu as well---this is my new work computer..)
 
@Danu you should have a log file from biber to say why it failed to make a bibliography
 
There is a single log file, with the same title as the actual document I'm trying to compile
 
12:38 PM
@Danu just cd to the directpry with your files, if your file is test.tex do pdflatex test then biber test and see what happens...
 
ok
 
@Danu that is the latex log
 
@DavidCarlisle There are no other log files being created
 
@Danu the biber log is ...blg
 
There is no .blg file being created
 
12:40 PM
@Danu so what happens on the commandline when you type biber yourfilename ?
 
lemme try that (I'm pretty slow, sorry)
 
@Danu if I run it on a random tex file not using biblatex for example the commandline looks like:
$ biber aa607
INFO - This is Biber 2.11
INFO - Logfile is 'aa607.blg'
ERROR - Cannot find control file 'aa607.bcf'! - Did latex run successfully on your .tex file before you ran biber?
INFO - ERRORS: 1
 
@DavidCarlisle "The program biber is currently not installed"
It also told me a command to install it
should I just type that (or first leave the directory I cd'd to?)?
 
@Danu doesn't make any difference it will install it globally (assuming you have install rights)
 
I think I should have install rights---I'll try it out
Now when I run pdflatex -> biber -> pdflatex
the second run of pdflatex ends in the command line spitting out a "?"
This is the output from biber:
> INFO - This is Biber 1.8
INFO - Logfile is 'wat.blg'
INFO - Reading 'wat.bcf'
INFO - Found 1 citekeys in bib section 0
INFO - Processing section 0
INFO - Looking for bibtex format file 'kraan.bib' for section 0
INFO - Found BibTeX data source 'kraan.bib'
INFO - Overriding locale 'en_US.UTF-8' default tailoring 'variable = shifted' with 'variable = non-ignorable'
INFO - Sorting 'entry' list 'nty' keys
INFO - No sort tailoring available for locale 'en_US.UTF-8'
INFO - Writing 'wat.bbl' with encoding 'ascii'
I think all those weird messages at the end are coming from a formatting problem in the thing I'm referencing
But if I just compile, run bibliography and compile again, I do get a bibliography now!! :D
So I think the worst is over
It just isn't managing to deal with accented characters in the title/author names of the paper I'm referencing
 
12:57 PM
Three cheers! for @DavidCarlisle
 
Indeed @DavidCarlisle @TeXnician thanks for helping me figure this out (and dealing with my cluelessness haha)
 
oh ya, sorry I forgot @TeXnician
 
@skull yay
@skull yay
I am supportive :)
 
Is there any package or something that will enable biber to deal with accented characters in my bib file?
 
@Danu biber 1.8 is very old. Is your tex system so old too?
 
1:04 PM
@PauloCereda thanks pal :)
 
@UlrikeFischer I... don't know? I just got this computer at work..
how do I check?
I do suspect that all the software on this thing is rather old. I think my jabref is version 2.10 (4 is already out I think)
 
@Danu look in the log-file. Are you using inputenc in your document?
 
I did load inputenc, yes
(essentially I'm trying to use this computer as my home computer, and running into all kinds of trouble trying to use my files the way I use them at home)
> This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.5-1.40.14 (TeX Live 2013/Debian) (format=pdflatex 2017.9.15) 29 MAY 2018 14:57
 
1:21 PM
@UlrikeFischer I tried using the commands given here in the command line but to no avail. I got the message "cannot setup TLPDB in /afs/math.uni-hamburg.de/users/ad/bav8095/texmf at /usr/bin/tlmgr line 5336."
 
@Danu You can't update such a system. To get a newer one you would have to install a new texlive 2018. I can't say if your problem is due to the old system or if your document contains an error as you didn't show the document. But such an old system is bound to give problems.
 
I guess I'll write to the IT department, asking if I could get updates on the software... I'm decently sure there are no problems in my document (I used the MWE that I linked previously).
1 hour ago, by Danu
I copied this MWE and it doesn't work for me.
 
@Danu This can't be as you also claimed that your document uses inputenc and the example does not.
 
True, haha. I tried it on both. I'll put inputenc in the MWE and see if it gives the same error.
I keep getting the same issue
 
1:37 PM
@Danu how did you get a computer with texlive 2013 on it? I would start by fixing that.
 
They gave it to me at work :P
Ah, but it does work now that I added the utf8 option to inputenc
 
@Danu since you have admin rights you could update it....
 
@DavidCarlisle I tried to do that using this but it didn't work
17 mins ago, by Danu
@UlrikeFischer I tried using the commands given here in the command line but to no avail. I got the message "cannot setup TLPDB in /afs/math.uni-hamburg.de/users/ad/bav8095/texmf at /usr/bin/tlmgr line 5336."
 
@Danu that would be needed if the file is in utf-8 yes, unless you are using the 2018 latex release when it is the default.
 
Do you have any suggestions for how to update my own software?
 
1:41 PM
@Danu yes of course you can't "update" texlive 2013 you need to install texlive 2018 (either using the debian apt package system or get the upstream texlive from tug or ...)
@Danu but probably the debian on the system is of a similar age?
 
I don't know; how can I check?
I did try to go through my computer's updating software and it said all my programs were up-to-date
 
@Danu not used debian for a long time (last century:-) but uname --all probably does something
 
> Linux pc1424 4.4.0-127-generic #153~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Sat May 19 14:00:03 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
 
@Danu so that version of the OS reaches end of life next year according to wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
 
Yikes :P
I guess I should start with updating that
Updating to 16.04...
 
 
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3:27 PM
@HenriMenke -- ah, so it is. before the issue paging, it was all on the same page. articles with odd numbers of columns are hard to deal with, hence the reorganization. (we've had complaints about blank columns, so we splice to avoid those. this was much easier to handle with the plain tex document style.) i'll mention it to karl.
@DavidCarlisle -- add swans to that list.
 
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@barbarabeeton ^^ my manual is becoming very cute. :)
 
@PauloCereda -- yes, it is. (maybe i will offer to read the draft when it's ready, before you spring it on the world.)
 
@barbarabeeton aww thank you! <3
 
3:50 PM
@PauloCereda and longer than your thesis
 
@DavidCarlisle I bet you wonder which one will be done first... lol
 
@DavidCarlisle oh
@G.Bay David is very mean
 
@PauloCereda Its looking pretty cool, is that logo inspired on the world cup logo?
 
@G.Bay no, it's an independent production. :)
@G.Bay ^^ better resolution :)
 
@PauloCereda I am looking forward to using arara on my thesis, already did some tests and seems to be very very useful. Specially because I will probably have a list of symbols, abbreviations, and of course biber etc.
 
3:56 PM
@G.Bay Cool. :) You will like the new version, then. Hopefully it will hit CTAN and TL and MiKTeX by the end of June, at most.
 
@PauloCereda "vhats" new in the new version?
 
@G.Bay I don't know where to start. :) A lot of bugfixes, perhaps? :)
 
@PauloCereda hmmm, that doesnt sound too appealing since I haven't faced any bug problems, lol. But I guess it's always good to give it a final polish.
 
@G.Bay okay. :) Then better layout, conditionals, UI boxes, better stability...
  __ _ _ __ __ _ _ __ __ _
 / _` | '__/ _` | '__/ _` |
| (_| | | | (_| | | | (_| |
 \__,_|_|  \__,_|_|  \__,_|

Hold yew hard, ole partner, I'm gornta hev a look at 'doc8.tex'
(thass 45 bytes big, that is, and that was last chearnged on
05/29/2018 12:32:14 in case yew dunt remember).

(PDFTeX) PDFTeX engine .........   THASS A MASTERLY JOB, MY BEWTY
(PDFTeX) PDFTeX engine .........   THASS A MASTERLY JOB, MY BEWTY

Wuh that took 0.49 seconds but if thass a slight longer than you
expected, dunt yew go mobbing me abowt it cors that ent my fault.
AND IN BROAD NORFOLK
I have no idea of what's going on. :)
 
4:11 PM
ui? thars nice
 
@PauloCereda let me help:
Wuh que levou 0,49 segundos, mas se isso for um pouco mais longo do que você
Espero que o idiota vá me assombrar, isso corra por minha culpa.
Meu dono de casa não tem nenhuma dessas pérolas. Ele teve que usar uma caneta
e um pouco de peruca, mas isso é bom. Orvalho
você mantém um troshin '!
 
@DavidCarlisle WAT
@G.Bay ^^
 
@PauloCereda Perfect Portuguese guaranteed.
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@PauloCereda one has to have faith in something
 
4:24 PM
@DavidCarlisle in L3 we trust
 
@PauloCereda Eu estava pensando em uma autoridade maior
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh L4
Dear Dr. Cereda,

Last month, you were invited to take part in a study which aims to visualize the future of the world of research and research communication. If you have not yet had a chance to complete the survey there is still time to do so - please be aware this is the final reminder regarding this study, and you will not receive any further requests to take part.
@DavidCarlisle THE FUTURE OF THE WORLD OF RESEARCH ^^
 
 
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5:41 PM
@PauloCereda I thought your thesis isn't done yet? Did I miss something?
 
6:12 PM
@PauloCereda "Best regards, International Organization of Scientific Research"
 
@Skillmon It is... complicated. :) I have to stick to some "truths" to keep the universe in balance and also for comedic purposes. :)
@mickep ooh a committee
 
@PauloCereda I will sit in a committee on May 31. Perhaps I should ask the guy how he visualizes the future of the world of research and research communication.
 
@mickep ooh do it
@mickep I am so gonna add a --committee flag to arara for no reason!
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@PauloCereda Haha, well done!
 
@mickep :D
 
6:46 PM
Cute:
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Q: Regular Expressions

Bass/straw$/; # (3,5,5) /\d+safety\d+/; # (6,6,2,7) /^\@[67]+$/; # (10,2,2,5,3,6) /(my |the high)way/; # (2,3,2,3,7) /(Thomas|Richard|Harold)/g; # (5,3,4,3,5) my $mouth =~ s/\b\w+\b//g; # (4,3,5,3,2,2,5) s/it// || s/it/$1/; ...

 
@AlanMunn LOL
 
TFW you close an issue with "Users must be instructed to..." sigh.
 
7:36 PM
is there a requirement for the language of a package documentation before it's uploaded to CTAN?
 
@naphaneal No, there's not. (And I don't think there should be...)
@naphaneal btw, I assumed you were familiar with the package, since gu is a pretty cryptic name for a package. :)
 
@AlanMunn no, I'm not. I was doing a Google search for example of Bärnighausen trees in LaTeX and stumbled upon the package
@AlanMunn currently reading the documentation. the OP shouldn't have too much trouble with it either, as he's from Germany as well. but the images he requires can't be done with the package alone. so I reckon it's a mix between gu and tikz
 
7:52 PM
@naphaneal Yes, that seems to be right. Certainly for the larger graph that seems like a good idea.
 
@JosephWright jekyll still playing up?
I blame @PauloCereda for my messed up ctan upload
 
@DavidCarlisle oh no
 
8:08 PM
ooh?
 
@PauloCereda hint: if you have an automated build script that says print('upload disabled while testing} it's best to actually disable the upload or the user may believe the message and run the script several times:-) (you didn't write the script but that doesn't seem a good reason not to blame you)
 
@DavidCarlisle No one reads the documentation.
 
@AlanMunn ... or console warnings
 
@DavidCarlisle And it's amazing the script works, given the mismatched ( ... } pair. :)
 
@AlanMunn Lua is a forgiving language
 
8:12 PM
unlike English :-)
 
@skull English is very forgiving, you can just make it up as you go along (as far as I understand English grammar)
 
\documentclass{article}
\catcode`\(=1
\catcode`\)=2
\begin(document}
Foo
\end{document)
@DavidCarlisle So is TeX. :)
 
@AlanMunn oh no, you broke picture mode
 
@DavidCarlisle lol
 
8:51 PM
@egreg I think we can blame @PauloCereda for the latest email too.
 
9:09 PM
@DavidCarlisle why not blame everything on @PauloCereda?

Coffee not done? dammit, Paulo!
World Domination foiled again? dammit, Paulo!

;P
 
@DavidCarlisle Sure!
 
@naphaneal it conflicts with existing procedure though:
Jan 21 '14 at 21:09, by Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle We could also blame Joseph, he seems to fix stuff pretty quickly. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Paulo is the backup scape goat, in case Joseph is unavailable. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Haven't had chance to look today
 
@JosephWright seem to be busy finding bugs in latex anyway:-)
@JosephWright I updated the carlisle bundle (with a new remreset package that does nothing) using the Lua bindings to curl, be interesting to see if it gets past Petra...
 
9:25 PM
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
9:50 PM
@DavidCarlisle oh no
@naphaneal oh no
@JosephWright oh no
 
@PauloCereda ^^^ Motorway services 20 miles south of Mönchengladbach
 
@UlrikeFischer oooooh
 
10:20 PM
\ooalign
 
@DavidCarlisle :-D
 
@egreg I must admit the question did have \ooalign written all over it:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Every \ooalign earns me a tick.
@DavidCarlisle But you surely appreciated the \fontdimen 8 \Xfont 3 trick.
 
@egreg I had forgotten to use a roman X so I lost time experimenting with getting the over bar in an acceptable place (picking up the fontdimen was clearly needed:-)
 
10:40 PM
@Sebastiano sometimes you just can't win, no idea why you got a downvote that time:-)
 
10:57 PM
@DavidCarlisle WTF!? hahahaha
 
@G.Bay exactly
 
@PauloCereda "Ele teve que usar uma caneta e um pouco de peruca, mas isso é bom." O pior de tudo é que ISSO É BOM!! hahaha
 
@G.Bay LOL
 

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