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12:06 AM
@egreg aha!, now that looks much better indeed. Thanks you!
 
 
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3:55 AM
@DavidCarlisle Yes! In case of Google Translator, simply: it makes many mistakes :);)
 
 
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4:56 AM
@CarLaTeX Oh, you made just another one: if you want to refer to @DavidCarlisle you have to say "he makes many mistakes" ;-)
 
5:17 AM
@marmot Every time I find out one useful package of his, he told me not to use it, so it's likely you're right, but we all know he is very smart in foreign languages, I undoubtedly referred to Google Translator :):):)
 
@CarLaTeX He could translate Oachkatzlschwoaf, though. ;-)
 
@marmot I tried but it doesn't translate it in Italian (coda di scoiattolo)
 
@CarLaTeX It's the tail of a squirrel (sometimes the google picture search is much more efficient)
 
@marmot Yes, that's what "coda di scoiattolo" means :):):)
 
@CarLaTeX Just don't look at the pictures that pop up for "Carlatex" ;-)
However, marmot is safe ;-)
 
5:32 AM
@marmot LOL! However, every Google search with "latex" is dangerous...
 
@CarLaTeX Yes, but I was shocked about the result of "Carlatex" (and I was hoping to see your nice previous avatar, but no ....)
It's actually much better to google "marmotta" or "Murmeltier" because then these outdoor products do not show ;-)
 
@marmot If I had known that the car mat are made by latex, I would have choose another nickname... I'm preparing a new avatar, as soon as I have some spare time... wait
 
@CarLaTeX Sounds good!
 
@marmot ... and do you know Tex? goo.gl/images/fwXkQJ
 
@CarLaTeX Not this version ... well, if you were living in the US, you might be less excited about people wearing guns in public ....
 
5:42 AM
@marmot It was a very popular comic strip in Italy sergiobonelli.it/sezioni/10/tex
 
@CarLaTeX I've been many time in Italy but I missed that part of the story (perhaps because I was very often just in the Alps or in some Physics centers;-)
 
@marmot I think you are too young for it
 
@CarLaTeX ... probably not... just not Italian enough ... (stupid as I was I learned Latin at school....)
 
@DavidCarlisle Maybe a way to work around that font issue is to move that problematic code into a small macro.
 
@marmot Stupid as I did not learn Latin at school
 
5:50 AM
@CarLaTeX Well, I guess it will be hard to find someone who wants to chat with you in Latin so I would have loved to learn some nice language like Italian (which I only took less than a year and completely forgot...) I dunno why they offer this plus I learned Latin before English which extraordinarily stupid ....
 
@marmot I learned German at the high school but I forgot almost everything
 
@CarLaTeX I still can make an order in the ristorante and count to ten, but that's it. Very sad. Last year I was in Sicily and would really have loved to be able to speak a little bit, but practically all of the people replied in English...
 
@marmot I'm sure they were trying to make you comfortable, Sicilian are very welcoming :)
 
@CarLaTeX I like the Masala wine ;-) Yes, they were very friendly. It's an interesting place with an interesting history...
 
@marmot Marsala :):):) Of course! Unfortunately it is ruined by some criminals...
 
6:00 AM
OK, Sorry, Marsala. (At the summer school, we had every evening free Marsala wine, which was of course deadly for the morning lectures .... but my presentation was in the afternoon, so no complaint;-)
 
@marmot LOL
 
@CarLaTeX Things are very different from the US, where you can get arrested just because you do not hide a bottle of beer that you just bought in the supermarket. (OK, I guess people do not really get arrested, but in principle they could.) Ironically, you need to hide the bottles in a brown bag, and everyone knows it's alcohol inside.
 
@marmot US laws are strange, you must hide alcohol but you can go around with guns without problems!
 
@CarLaTeX Yes, precisely. (However, I must say that whenever I come back to Europe, I did not really miss the smell of cigarettes in the US, in Europe there is much more cigarette smoke...) Oh, @UlrikeFischer is here. Hello!
 
6:16 AM
@marmot In Italy they don't smoke at the restaurant and other public places anymore, but they still smoke outdoors (@egreg is a smoker!)
 
@CarLaTeX In the US it is much more restrictive and I smell smoke at most once a month (but next week I'll be back to Europe... for one week ... crazy )
 
@CarLaTeX Marsala and Masala are both ingestible, both very tasty afaiac
 
@thymaro Marsala in the correct name of the wine, I don't know Masala, maybe it's an Asian food?
 
6:33 AM
So, I have a macro which looks like:
\newcommand{\PrintDocTable}[3][]{%
% #1 = list of rowIDs
% #2 = database to search
% #3 =caption
\begin{longtable}{r l p{1.2in} c c p{2.2in}}
\caption{#3}\\
& \colhead{Date} & \colhead{Filename} & \colhead{From} & \colhead{To} & \colhead{Subject}\\\hline\endhead
\DTLforeach
[\ifblank{#1}{\boolean{true}}{\DTLisSubString{#1}{\RowID,}}]
{#2}{%
\RowID=RowID,%
\Date=Date,%
\Filename=Filename,%
\From=From,%
\To=To,%
\Subject=Subject%
}{%
\nextnuml{\RowID} & \Date & {\bfseries\expandafter\url\expandafter{\Filename} } & \checkmissing{\From} & \checkmissing{\To} & \Subject \\
But I want a version with the \nextnuml bit missing.
What is the best way to do this?
 
@egreg Yesteday I got a Master thesis from an Italian student to read. It was typeset with double line spacing, so I assume he took the LaTeX course from you, right?
 
@mickep Were the lines horizontal? If so, then probably not ;-)
 
@marmot Difficult to see. And it was not set with comic sans, so you are most likely right.
 
@FaheemMitha ?
 
6:49 AM
@CarLaTeX it's a very tasty Indian condiment ;) it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garam_masala
@mickep I want to write to the people from comic sans to design small caps glyphs so I can use this font in my thesis. Without small caps, it's of no use to me! Does anybody have an e-mail address or a telephone number of the developers of comic sans?
 
@thymaro Developers, developers, developers...
 
@mickep for lack of a better term
 
@thymaro I was just referring to this.
 
@mickep looks like he's looking for ... developers?
 
@thymaro Probably the ones who constructed Comic sans.
 
6:57 AM
@mickep does that mean nobody is working on improving comic sans any more? That can't be right, now, can it?
 
@thymaro Maybe this is what you are looking for?
 
@thymaro their address is 1 Microsoft Way, Redmond, WA 98052, USA You could write and ask.
 
I was thinking of having an optional argument to \PrintDocTable, and then checking if that was argument was present, and then including \nextnuml. And if not, then not including it.
@DavidCarlisle I was referring to that line:
 {\bfseries\expandafter\url\expandafter{\Filename} }
 
@thymaro Oooh
 
So perhaps everything surrounding the \Filename could be put in a macro.
 
7:07 AM
@FaheemMitha yes but it's already in a macro and not intended for ever being in a document, and when editing internal macro code like that then syntax highlighting can fail.
 
@mickep Unfortunately that's the rule for thesis in Italy, I'm doing the same
 
@DavidCarlisle True, but if it is in its separate bit, then the failure won't affect a whole bunch of other stuff. The bracket mismatching is particularly annoying.
@CarLaTeX What's the advantage of double line spacing?
 
@FaheemMitha it allows reviewers to add comments and the author to insert additional text (by gluing in bits of paper)
 
@DavidCarlisle I see.
So \newcommand doesn't support multiple default parameters?
 
@CarLaTeX Oh, I thought that was something happening mostly on the other side of the Atlantic.
 
7:17 AM
@DavidCarlisle interesting approach. I had never envisioned editing my thesis like that, but now it all makes sense!
 
@DavidCarlisle But the problem is that your eyes are already destroyed before you finish the first reading, so you won't be able to add those comments... ;)
 
@mickep indeed. If I had too much money, I would invest it in this. I would never have thought this was actually still a thing.
 
7:50 AM
@FaheemMitha I think it's an heritage from the past, to leave room for professors' comments... or to make the thesis look longer...
 
@FaheemMitha no just the 1st argument may be optional (you could use xparse instead)
@thymaro I had to make a couple of small additions to my thesis by that method
 
@mickep No, also in Italy. My university gives very few rules, among which double spacing...
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm not getting very far with Jekyll themes: in the end, I suspect I'll just add all of the files locally and edit there (we want some adjustments anyway)
 
8:16 AM
Hi
please how can I make horizontal line between two words or text to looks like that :
I used \rule{4cm}{0.4pt}
is it appropriete ?
 
@Educ yes or \underline{\hspace{4cm} would be a bit lower
 
@DavidCarlisle Thank you can I text above it ?
 
@Educ \underline{text} ?
 
yes
 
@Educ not sure what you mean: \underline{text} if you want it natural size or \underline{\makebox[4cm]{text}} to force a width
 
8:24 AM
first I would like to create line without any text above it to let the student write solution on it after that I would like to write the correct solution above on it
 
@JosephWright I fixed up a few more links, and and some more .html -> .md which survived the first sweep for some reason
 
@DavidCarlisle Saw that
 
@DavidCarlisle Thanks so much it's works just fine
 
@DavidCarlisle There's still quite a bit of this sort of thing to sort, for example I'm likely to add/adjust a lot more stuff in the variables part of the Markdown once I get some proper theme stuff sorted
 
@JosephWright yes I guessed we were interleaving our push and pull:-) I'll probably doa few more links here and there as I get time. still quite a few ctan ones to do (not looked at the non-ctan ones at all yet)
 
8:28 AM
@DavidCarlisle Cool: I'm rebasing as required
 
@JosephWright my life is so much simpler since I learned to do pull --rebase rather than pull :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Indeed
@DavidCarlisle Do you think we should have the question titles as Markdown or in the variable table? Both would work, I'm wondering if I've got the right approach for editors ...
 
@JosephWright Not sure, I guess the advantage possibly of moving it to the yml frontmatter is that it might make it more amenable to automatic tables of contents or breadcrumbs code but not sure we need that. Whatever works I guess, anyone starting a new file will just copy an existing one anyway so whether it's # foo or title: foo doesn't make much difference
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, I was thinking the same: I'll shift to part of the YAML. (We probably should at some stage look at auto-generating the index: I wonder if the files should get split up into directories ...)
 
@JosephWright a directory structure would simplify the section structure in some ways but would make it relatively painful to preserve existing links, so I guess I'd avoid that if possible
 
8:42 AM
@DavidCarlisle There's the permalink business
@DavidCarlisle Hmm, all of the titles have vanish :)
 
@JosephWright I saw that in passing but didn't look in detail could it handle that?
 
@DavidCarlisle I think so
@DavidCarlisle jekyllrb.com/docs/permalinks suggests we could make them all just the ID from the _config.yml file
@DavidCarlisle I guess I need to sort out the lack of titles ... I'll probably revert that bulk edit pending having some working theme
 
@JosephWright oh OK yes if we always flatten out the public view I guess that works (I had in mind exposing the section levels in "new" url but redirecting old ones which I think isn't so easy in gh-pages. But also we don't really need it if teh directories are just internal re-organisation
 
9:00 AM
@DavidCarlisle I'll think about it: probably try that in my fork once I sort out a theme
@DavidCarlisle I'm also working through the actual content, hence adding redirects: for some of the historical stuff, I'll probably consolidate into new questions (like 'Alternatives to TeX')
@DavidCarlisle I'll try out something in my fork ...
@DavidCarlisle GitHub Pages is actually pretty good, isn't it :)
 
9:23 AM
@JosephWright once we have figured out more of these details we should fix up latex-project.org to use it directly:-)
@JosephWright yes that title occurred to me as I passed by that weird ANT answer, lose that and add something about sile etc and just mention ant in passing?
 
Is it possible to use [itemsep=10pt] for enumerate enviroment
?
 
@Educ enumitem package
 
yes
because I add [itemsep=10pt] to begin{enumerate} gives me error
 
@Educ the error being?
 
now it's works fine I have ony one problem
which is
I would like to have step between item itself not between items
\usepackage{setspace}
I want to set space between lines
How can I do that ?
 
9:46 AM
@Educ Try {\setstretch{1.0} TextTextText}
 
I will try to take my Switch to TUG. Which games should we play in the lobby, Splatoon or Mario Kart? :)
Frank will surely spam the blue shells.
 
@Educ Actually, read more here its probably similar to your needs tex.stackexchange.com/questions/83855/…
Mario Kart for sure
 
@G.Bay ooh blue shells
Damn keyboard got stuck, sorry. :)
 
lol, nem conheço isso ae
 
@G.Bay Blue shell? :)
 
9:51 AM
yeah, never heard of
ok, I google it... lol
 
@G.Bay Thank you but it doesn't work for me should I open new question in tex
 
@G.Bay É o item destruidor de amizades. :) É uma carapaça voadora, cheia de espinhos e na cor azul. Em geral, o jogo dá esse item aos jogadores que estão em posições afastadas do líder (por exemplo, do sexto lugar para trás). Ao usar esse item, ela sai voando da sua posição no jogo, passa por todo mundo até chegar no líder e explode tudo! :)
 
@Educ sure, go ahead, paste your MWE code and pretty soon someone will reply
@PauloCereda lmao, sounds nice, as you can tell I am not a frequent player of mario kart
 
@G.Bay Thank you please what is the appropriete argument to enter in
\underline{\hspace{\textwith}}
I use \textwith but gives me error
 
its spelled wrong
@Educ you should write \textwidth
 
9:57 AM
@G.Bay :)
 
@G.Bay yes is it possible to fit line with geometry package I already set geometry and I don't want to my line pass my goemetry mesure
 
@Educ \linewidth not \textwidth, \textwidth includes the list indentation
 
@DavidCarlisle thanks again it's works i still have one problem with line spacing within enumitem package
 
10:47 AM
@mickep Wow – I had no idea comic sans pro existed. I was about to suggest comic neue, but I don't think it has small caps. (@thymaro)
 
11:01 AM
@DavidCarlisle Exactly: I'm going to remove the ANT answer but use the text in a new one, hence wanting redirects
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Now you just need a math version as well. Then you can typeset "Norsk Matematisk Tidsskrift" using your favorite font. ;)
 
@DavidCarlisle That would be easy enough ... I really on't think the few links we'd kill are an issue
 
@JosephWright yes although we thought that before anyway:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Indeed
@DavidCarlisle Just have to convince FMi
@DavidCarlisle One for TUG2018, perhaps: I'll try to make the case
 
@JosephWright I think for a redirect in that case you still need to check in a redirecting html file by hand don't you?
 
11:04 AM
@DavidCarlisle No, it's the other way around: you add some YAML to say 'redirect from XXX to here'
 
@JosephWright well that's strange I could have sworn when I needed this (a year or so ago) the gh help pages said it couldn't be done (and google searches just found people moaning that the redirect plugin wasn't supported:-) Either I was looking at old information or it's changed, either way that looks good.
 
@DavidCarlisle I'll probably set up a test redirect over lunch
@DavidCarlisle Could be: that might make a difference with the LaTeX Project situation. Once we have it working for the FAQ, might be worth going back to Frank/Jonas
@DavidCarlisle I'll add permalink info too: probably we want that for clarity even if we don't actively need it at the moment
@DavidCarlisle I'm going to solve the theme problem ... contacted GitHub support about minima!
 
@mickep Alas, Norsk Matematisk Tidsskrift ended publication long before Comic Sans existed. You may be thinking of Nordisk Matematisk Tidsskrift (NORMAT), which I did typeset many years ago. But that too is dying a slow death, if it's not already dead.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen normat.no
 
11:41 AM
Can someone tell me why this script is hanging? gist.github.com/034d82e467b348653e05fc9f0fbe388e
It's probably obvious. The culprit must be the code between \makeatletter and \makeatother.
Doesn't really seem worth a question, though I could post it as a question.
 
@FaheemMitha the filename suggests it comes from a very unreliable source.
 
@DavidCarlisle :D
 
@PauloCereda that frequency is really quite painful
 
@DavidCarlisle If you say so.
 
@DavidCarlisle I blame the goat. :)
@DavidCarlisle: Also sorry. :)
@JosephWright: could you get rid of that image, please? :)
 
11:45 AM
@PauloCereda Yes :)
 
More generally, how would one debug hanging TeX code? Fortunately, it doesn't happen often.
 
@FaheemMitha like this:
! Interruption.
\oldref #1->\expandafter \ifx \csname R@#1
                                          \endcsname \relax \global \expanda...
l.115 This is a reference to ~\ref{Hammer003}
                                             .
?
! Interruption.
\oldref ...ring \gappto \string \ReferencedIDs {#1
                                                  ,}}\fi \oldref {#1}
l.115 This is a reference to ~\ref{Hammer003}
                                             .
?
 
@FaheemMitha Probably not related to your error, but shouldn't you set your column headers in the CSV file?
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, I did that.
 
Ah apologies, I saw you did that later.
 
11:47 AM
If you hit Ctrl-c it stops shows you where you are let it carry on for a bit and do it again, and find you are in the same place...
 
Which tells me that the problem is with the \ref definition, probably.
 
@JosephWright thanks
 
@DavidCarlisle bullying
 
Or maybe with \endcsname? I'm not sure.
Does TeX pause before or after something it can't cope with?
 
@FaheemMitha you must have done \let\oldref\ref \def\ref{...} twice. which makes an infinite loop
@FaheemMitha ? it is not pausing it is executing a non terminating loop
 
11:49 AM
@DavidCarlisle Oh.
 
@FaheemMitha basically you have \def\ref{\ref}... \ref
 
@DavidCarlisle So the definition of \ref contains \ref?
Ok, I think I see the problem. Let me check the original code.
 
@FaheemMitha as I say let it run and hit ctrl-c then return a few times you will see it just loops between ref and oldref defined in terms of each other
 
@DavidCarlisle ^^ oi
 
@PauloCereda if you defined your thesis that way I wouldn't have to ask if it was finished
 
11:52 AM
@DavidCarlisle It would be running to this very date. :)
 
@PauloCereda much like your actual thesis
 
@DavidCarlisle oh no
@DavidCarlisle you are mean
 
Jan 12 '16 at 12:15, by David Carlisle
@PauloCereda finished your thesis?
 
@DavidCarlisle oh no
 
Jun 29 '17 at 16:15, by Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle you are not mean :)
 
11:54 AM
@PauloCereda you got mail ...
 
@PauloCereda 6729
 
@UlrikeFischer WOW
 
@PauloCereda so you agree ? ;-)
 
@UlrikeFischer Gimme a minute. :)
 
12:08 PM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen this is now in my font collection. I will contact the designer to see if he wants to add sc glyphs
 
12:36 PM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen I was thinking about Norsk Matematisk Tidsskrift. About NORMAT, I think it is still alive.
 
12:52 PM
NORMAT = Norwegian Format
/ba dum tss
We ducks are very good with acronyms
 
1:43 PM
@UlrikeFischer since your name is on the first page of the tkz-tab manual, can you report the etex use? :-)
 
1:54 PM
@DavidCarlisle I sent him a mail.
@DavidCarlisle Can there be any case with a new format where loading etex would still be needed? If not couldn't the format suppress the loading?
 
@DavidCarlisle what was the TeX macro to access the number of already processed lines in a paragraph?
I can't remember the name...
 
@Skillmon after the para has finished \prevgraf You can't ask mid paragraph
@UlrikeFischer that was plan a but I got squeals from people who were loading it then using \globalloc\foo or some such so now it has some rather arbitrary heuristics on whether to quit and not do anything or whether to load the old code.
 
@DavidCarlisle It is after the paragraph is finished. Thanks.
 
2:12 PM
@PauloCereda to whom are these pets belonging?
 
@naphaneal I don't know, I saw the photos on a blog. :)
 
are there any answered questions on how to take input paramters in a class?
I can't find any
For parameter I mean like a title, an author, or etc. that can be used within the class
similarly to article's \author but that can be used everywhere not just within maketitle
 
@DavidCarlisle there seem not to be many packages and class with unconditional etex, I would say at most around 10 (if the tkz-packages get all corrected). So the problem will hopefully disappear anyway.
 
@UlrikeFischer I did mail dozens of people at the time:-)
@UlrikeFischer you've got mail :-)
 
2:29 PM
@DavidCarlisle I suspected this. I found lots of \ifx\e@alloc\@undefined which looked as suggested by you ;-)
@DavidCarlisle Oh. ;-)
 
Is xparse part of LaTeX 3?
Oh, never mind. It says LaTeX 3 right in the title.
Excuse the noise.
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh mail
 
The documentation isn't that easy to understand. Is this correct syntax for declaring arguments?
\NewDocumentCommand{\GenPrintTable}{o s m}{%
?
 
@FaheemMitha A bit unusual place for the star but should work.
 
@UlrikeFischer Das Starr. :)
 
2:40 PM
@UlrikeFischer It's usually at the beginning, then?
 
@PauloCereda der Stern. Two rr at the end are actually quite unusual in german. The adjective "starr" exists, but beside this I can't think of other words.
 
@UlrikeFischer Cool! I forgot about my Duolingo lessons, so my German would be very rusty...
 
@FaheemMitha always:-)
 
3:16 PM
Is it possible to create a \global aware macro, that behaves like this: \ifglobal \gdef\foo{bar}\global\let\bar\baz \else \def\foo{bar}\let\bar\baz \fi?
With \ifglobal pseudo code being \iftrue if the macro was preceded by \global?
 
@Skillmon No: you can arrange for everything to be done by expansion for a single assignment (so the prefix works), but not 'pick up' the prefix status
 
@JosephWright how unfortunate. Thank you very much!
 
@JosephWright I think that's all the ctan links fixed
 
@DavidCarlisle Cool!
 
@JosephWright interesting things you find in the remaining ones homepages.ecs.vuw.ac.nz/~david
 
3:29 PM
@DavidCarlisle o.O
 
Hmm, my email cleanliness is apparent not that good. So far in the last 90 mins I've deleted 100k emails. No idea how may emails is in there (Outlook does apparently not have good tools for that)
 
@daleif oh my
 
why dont you use something like Thunderbird?
 
@daleif That's a lot of emails.
Some overdue spring cleaning?
 
@FaheemMitha had to clean up my emails over time for GDPR anyways. And had some time to kill ;-)
 
3:42 PM
So \NewDocumentCommand uses the usual #1, #2,... markers for arguments in the body of the macro, correct?
 
@FaheemMitha yes, but s markers have special values and so may o, remember to see \IfBooleanTF{}{}{} and \IfNoValueTF{}{}{}`, other than that it is pretty easy to use.
 
@daleif Hmm. Pretty easy isn't the first description that comes to mind.
 
@FaheemMitha Given the 2e alternative this is easy. You just have to try it
 
@FaheemMitha surely using {s o m} is much easier than defining a star form with optional and mandatory argument the old way isn't it? (That's the intention at least:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I don't know what a star form is.
@daleif I believe you. And I am trying it.
On usage, you just pass a * as an argument, right? Or leave it blank?
 
3:53 PM
@FaheemMitha well why are you defining a command with one? \section* is the star form of \section
 
@DavidCarlisle By star form you mean a boolean argument?
Because that's what it seems to be.
 
@FaheemMitha technically it's not an argument and normally it's docuemnted as part of the command name
 
@DavidCarlisle oh?
 
@FaheemMitha I mean the *
 
The documentation says:
> s An optional star, which will result in a value \BooleanTrue if a star is present and
\BooleanFalse otherwise (as described later).
 
3:55 PM
@FaheemMitha latex tutorials tell you there is a command \section for numbered sections and a command \section* for unnumbered ones, but the * is not really part of the command name. \section is defined to test for a following * and number or not number, and that is what the xparse s option defines for you.
 
Does \ifthenelse accept these boolean values?
 
@FaheemMitha no (but don't use ifthenelse anyway it's rubbish
 
@DavidCarlisle You're saying I need to add a * to the command name? I'm confused.
@DavidCarlisle What should I use instead?
Bearing in mind you're the author (but you already know that).
 
@FaheemMitha there are tests provided \IfBooleanTF{#1}{yes ther was a starno
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh. Right.
 
3:58 PM
@FaheemMitha I was given a spec that ensured that I may write the package but i wouldn't use it
 
@DavidCarlisle You were given a spec?
By who?
 
@FaheemMitha some bloke called Lamport:-)
 
@FaheemMitha Leslie had an existing package for latex2.09, I re-wrote it for 2e but with the same interface, but the interface forces the test to be non-expandable and clunky
 
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