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8:55 AM
@LoopSpace I'd love to hear you suggestions! In case it is too long for this chat, feel free to open an issue at github.com/samcarter8/tikzducks/issues
 
 
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10:07 AM
@ChristianHupfer I can see that raggedright would be confusing, being two words stuck together with no space, not something you are used to....
 
@DavidCarlisle :D ... well, I should have written about the term ragged rather. I doubt that many non-native English speakers know about the word ragged -- I extended my comment there
 
10:45 AM
@DavidCarlisle You have a right to be ragged.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen I like to keep to the centre ground in such arguments
 
I am learning so much on this site
 
@JohnDorian Yes, come to the Dark side ;-)
 
When I look at the code of my Bachelor's thesis which I wrote a year ago, I feel so terrible^^
 
@JohnDorian You have already finished a thesis, in contrast to @PauloCereda (:-P)
 
10:51 AM
@ChristianHupfer And I also start learning the TeX insider jokes^^
 
@JohnDorian TeX insider jokes like \expandafter and \futurelet? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Or how to be frozen and \relax at the same time?
@JohnDorian ^^^^
 
@DavidCarlisle That's what optional arguments are for
 
@ChristianHupfer is \outer an insider joke?
 
@DavidCarlisle Now, it's for \outsiders only
 
11:41 AM
@ChristianHupfer @JohnDorian ... and to the Duck side ;-)
 
@UlrikeFischer No, that's too dark, even for me ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer not when the pizza sun rises ;-)
 
@UlrikeFischer Having done my Ph.D. in Astrophysics with special knowledge on the Sun, I am scared about a Pizza Sun, especially if it has sun spots consisting of pine apples...
 
@ChristianHupfer no pine apples to see vimeo.com/254643482
 
@UlrikeFischer Apparently the pine apples are tiny examples, i.e. quantum pine apples
 
11:51 AM
@ChristianHupfer don't scare @CarLaTeX. The idea that all their pizza could be infected by nano pine apples won't let her sleep.
 
@UlrikeFischer That are pine apples in homeopathic dosage ;-)
 
12:32 PM
@PhelypeOleinik: How shall we get you to rep 7777 -- at the moment you have 7770 ...? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer A bounty of 7 points, maybe :P
 
I would just ask another stupid question with 1 upvote and accept the answer
 
@JohnDorian That would be first stupid question here on TeX.SE ever ;-)
@PhelypeOleinik Talk to the site developers about bounty values of 7 :D
 
@JohnDorian That'd do too :/
 
@ChristianHupfer @PhelypeOleinik I'm not sure if I understand the rules here, but if someone upvotes one of Phelype's answers and someone else downvotes, wouldn't he get a net reputation increase?
 
12:36 PM
@ChristianHupfer I've never put a bounty on a question. But I noticed that the values are sort of regular...
@marmot A downvote is -2, isnt' it?
 
@PhelypeOleinik If I remember correctly, the minimal bounty value is 50 rep.
 
@PhelypeOleinik Yes, and if you downvote some (not me, please ;-), how much do you lose?
 
@marmot Yes, so it would leave 8 rep gain (one upvote by 10 rep minus one downvote by 2 rep)
 
@ChristianHupfer Ooh...
 
@PhelypeOleinik A bounty value of 10 or 20 would not be really attractive for the bounty hunters, would it?
 
12:39 PM
 
@ChristianHupfer So you get -2 both if you downvote someone and get downvoted?
 
@marmot No, downvoting answers costs me 1 only. Downvoting questions does not hurt the downvoter at all...
 
@ChristianHupfer Maybe... Here in Brazil we have 1 cent coins that are pretty rare, so people (not me, obviously) collect them.
@ChristianHupfer @marmot So one upvote, one downvote, and another downvote by me?
 
@PhelypeOleinik No...downvoting to get this is not really nice
 
@ChristianHupfer Here we go: I upvote @PhelypeOleinik , you downvote, and because Phelype will get angry and downote you : +10 -2 -1 = + 7
 
12:42 PM
@ChristianHupfer Just kidding ;)
 
@marmot Why I am losing rep in your scheme? :D And who says that it was me that voted down @PhelypeOleinik and how does he know?
 
@ChristianHupfer @PhelypeOleinik @marmot Can you please upvote me to 7777, too?
 
@ChristianHupfer Because you will be mean to @PhelypeOleinik ;-) OK, I will upvote you, then you have a net gain.
 
@JohnDorian Answer Tikz questions, you will get 10000 rep per day :D
 
@JohnDorian @ChristianHupfer forgot to mention that you need to smuggle ducks in.
 
12:44 PM
@JohnDorian and @PhelypeOleinik: Even if you would get 7777, that is nothing that would not cause @DavidCarlisle to complain about the , in 7,777 ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer I'd know a way to scare @DavidCarlisle away (it even rhymes;-)
 
@JohnDorian You could downvote someone (@marmot, maybe :P) to get 363, which would be a palindrome without any ,
 
@marmot DPC stands for David persistently complains actually
 
@ChristianHupfer XD
 
@ChristianHupfer I only complain to people who are rude to me
 
12:47 PM
@DavidCarlisle → nudge,nudge to @egreg ...
 
@ChristianHupfer just for once, I wasn't referring to egreg
 
@marmot, @JohnDorian: We still have no solution for @PhelypeOleinik's reputation problem...
 
@ChristianHupfer @JohnDorian We do. See my proposal above. (I can upvote two of your answers.) ;-)
 
@marmot No, I am rep capped, I would not notice your upvotes :D
 
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@ChristianHupfer @marmot @JohnDorian There, solved ↑
(←_←)
Totally legit
(→_→)
 
12:53 PM
@PhelypeOleinik Why is the last 7 a bit lower than the others?
 
@PhelypeOleinik You seem to have lost 10 bronze badges :D
 
@marmot No, it's not. It's your jealousy U_U
@ChristianHupfer Mr. @marmot downvoted me to that. He's jealous
 
@PhelypeOleinik right next to your pic I found this:
 
@PhelypeOleinik Yes, that's the nature of @marmots. They are mean and jealous :D
 
@marmot It seems that everybody was wrong in that 654321 contest :/
 
12:56 PM
@PhelypeOleinik @ChristianHupfer I only have 3 downvotes in my records, none of them to you guys.
 
@marmot: Fair suggestion: Provide an answer to tex.stackexchange.com/questions/400939/… and @PhelypeOleinik will accept it, you can make it CW later on...
@PhelypeOleinik: Only 2 needed ...
 
@ChristianHupfer Oh, this question...
@ChristianHupfer :D
 
@ChristianHupfer @PhelypeOleinik Yes, the perfect answer to this question is: Don't use square roots, they are too complicated. ;-)
 
@marmot Try again, please :D
 
@ChristianHupfer @PhelypeOleinik How about: LaTeX is not made for typing square roots. See the tikzducks package for more information. ;-)
 
1:03 PM
@marmot Should I use a square duck then?
 
@marmot You are banned for some undetermined period because of taking TeX.SE not seriously ... ;-)
 
@PhelypeOleinik Yes. I guess squaring a duck is a nonlinear transformation.
 
@marmot I don't know about square ducks, but cubing ducks seems the kind of thing @DavidCarlisle would do :P
 
@PhelypeOleinik You mean slicing them in cubes?
 
@PhelypeOleinik s/cubing/cooking ;-)
 
1:07 PM
@ChristianHupfer @marmot Yes. I thought that "cubing" was used for slicing in cubes... I make up words sometimes .-.
 
@PhelypeOleinik I just saw you're almost there. Isn't there a question whose answer you could accept?
 
@PhelypeOleinik @marmot @ChristianHupfer I am so evil
 
@marmot I accept at least an answer to every question of mine, unless there are none to accept. I have two unanswered questions (the square duck one, and a duplicate), so no.
 
@marmot I would have to ask one, but right now I'm not needing anything...
 
1:11 PM
@PhelypeOleinik now you are at 7780. Wait a few days, then you're at 8888.
 
@JohnDorian What have you done?
 
@PhelypeOleinik Yes, here is your question: How can I get to 8888?
 
@ChristianHupfer Just wanted to scare everybody \o/
 
@JohnDorian You naugthy Newbie ;-)
@marmot The last thing like yyyyy I hit was 88888, I hit. Perhaps @PhelypeOleinik should wait for that then :D
 
1:16 PM
@ChristianHupfer I think it's the way to go. This reputation trade is getting more complicated than answering my square duck question...
 
@PhelypeOleinik Actually it is a square duck root question, isn't it?
 
@ChristianHupfer Oh, yes. The ducks are overwhelming...
 
@PhelypeOleinik We need exponential and logarithmic ducks as well... ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer @marmot I think my next question will be a big-list: "Replace a word in the title of a tex.se question by 'duck'.". It would be fun XD
 
@PhelypeOleinik: You could provide answers to all Dreadful Orange Book Template questions...
 
1:24 PM
@ChristianHupfer The ducks presence in this site is exponential, for sure.
@ChristianHupfer If only the people using it said so :/
 
@PhelypeOleinik It's a virus, spreading... like in The Walking Dead Duck ;-)
 
@PhelypeOleinik @ChristianHupfer You are complaining about marmots, you are complaining about ducks, what's wrong with you guys? This is called diversity. ;-)
 
@marmot I'm not complaining. I'm stating a fact.
 
@marmot Diversity means having more than two species:D The world does not consist of marmots and ducks alone...
 
@marmot I'll add Quero-Queros to this site to contribute to this "diversity"
@ChristianHupfer LOL
 
1:27 PM
@ChristianHupfer @PhelypeOleinik But you two are neither ducks nor marmots. Isn't that diverse?
 
@marmot Well, we are sane, if that's what you mean :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer Sane? Did you tell your doctor that you chat with ducks and marmots on a regular basis? What does (s)he say?
 
@marmot I am my own doctor ;-) And I diagnosed that I am sane ;-)
Now some user downvoted one of my valid answers ... :-(
 
@ChristianHupfer D= The voting pattern sometimes is really strange. What answer?
 
@PhelypeOleinik That doesn't matter. Most times, it is a sign of stupidity and ignorance -- there's nothing one can do against that
 
1:41 PM
@ChristianHupfer Indeed U_U. I'm using StackOverflow a little lately. Some questions and answers there are flooded with downvotes.
@ChristianHupfer (rant) I asked a question there, and the answer I got was something like: "There are ways to do that, but not the one you mentioned. But that's fine because you don't really want to do that."
 
@PhelypeOleinik Oh my
 
@PhelypeOleinik @ChristianHupfer I don't think it can be worse than the physics site ;-)
 
@PhelypeOleinik: I have an account at SO, but never used it yet really
@marmot: Although being a Physicist, I don't follow that site
 
@ChristianHupfer You should not. Unless you want some entertainment.
 
@marmot @ChristianHupfer Wow... First question I clicked: physics.stackexchange.com/questions/222102
 
1:47 PM
@marmot Now, I have more 'entertainment' as a Physics Teacher... ;-)
0
A: What is happening to spacetime near the black hole?

james large what is really space time? Spacetime is a four-dimensional mathematical space in which the the motion of an object through three-dimensional, physical space can be represented as a non-moving path. (The path is known as the object's world line). how it is possible to bend? Nobody know...

 
@ChristianHupfer I'm coding a lot recently, so I have to check it. But mostly I use answers that are already there to avoid the hassle...
 
Answer: Nobody knows :D
 
@ChristianHupfer If I would do on TeX.SE what people in the physics forum, I'd answer every question by "You don't want to use LaTeX for that. Use Word."
 
@marmot Oh my, we're on TeX.SE here? I thought this is Word.SE ;-)
 
1:52 PM
@ChristianHupfer Yes, that's a good one. (I was one told by a guy with a very high reputation that vacua of gauge theories do not need to be gauge invariant. And people believe her/him because of the reputation. ;-)
 
@marmot In what context do people use this then? Don't use Quantum mechanics, since atoms can be completed calculated with Newton's laws? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Something like this. (Overall I guess the site is a good thing since then all these geniuses have a forum to explain the universe to their friends and university teachers do not have to deal with their theories. ;-)
 
@marmot Isn't that contained in the Yang-Mills theory? I am no expert about that, however...
@marmot I suppose, that there are flat Earthers as well ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Sure it is. And this is in tons of text books. And there are so-called large gauge transformations which cannot continuously be transformed to the identity. This guy was claiming that the vacuum does not have to be invariant under those. This does not make sense, and is also at odds with how one constructs the theta-vacuum.
 
This is interesting... being rep capped, having votes beyond rep cap and a downvote will decrease it, another upvote will equalize the downvote rep loss, but nothing more
 
2:00 PM
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Reputation not found... :P
 
@marmot You just don't see the brilliance of this bloke. He is inventing new Physics ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Personally I think there should be a "soft rep cap", meaning that reputation earned above a certain threshold should only count 1/2 and above another threshold only 1/3 and so on.
 
@PhelypeOleinik another cheat?
 
@ChristianHupfer No, this one's real. I'm leaving the counter accumulate too
 
@ChristianHupfer No, he's not. He is just applying 1+1=3 to some well-understood physics.
 
2:02 PM
 
@marmot A special field with modulo division? ;-)
@PhelypeOleinik I hope, you don't click at the wrong position then by accident. I had 25000 in that 'box' once when something bad happened...
 
@ChristianHupfer It must have been frustrating... I almost did this today, but dragged the mouse away before releasing.
(of course the loss would be slightly smaller than 25000 :P)
 
@PhelypeOleinik What's so special about 14 and 39 ? ;-)
 
@marmot 39 = 3\cdot(14-1)?
 
1.) 0 is a special number because 0 * 0 = 0 and 0 + 0 = 0

2.) 1 is a special number because it is 1 + 0 = 1 and 1 * 1 = 1

3.) 2 is a special number since it is next to the special number 1

4.) 3 is a special number since it is next to the special number 2

5.) $\vdots$
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That's why all numbers are special numbers ;-)
 
2:20 PM
0
Q: how to use the arc and shade function to draw an amazing cylinder shape

moradovI want to draw a cylinder with tikz, I haven't used \usetikzlibrary{shapes.geometric} indicader in the answer answer here I am going to complete my figure to show the arc behind in dashed, i want to use \draw [dashed, red]({0.31*cos(90)},{0.31*sin(90)},0)arc (180:360:{0.31*cos(70)} and -0.3);indi...

@marmot It has to be really amazing to deserve an upvote :D
 
@PhelypeOleinik Sure. (I also was looking at this.) There are tons of 3D shaded cylinders already somewhere, right?
 
@marmot Yes, in supermarket shelves, for example ;-)
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@marmot I guess there are, but are they amazing?
 
@PhelypeOleinik No, probably not. ;-)
 
3:11 PM
I have learned that one should not make changes to a galley proof in order to fix a typographical problem. I asked for a revision changing a two word phrase into a four word one, in order to deal with a seriously underfull line. The misspelled one of the four words and deleted a word, resulting in an line that is both underfull and nonsensical. Never again!
 
3:22 PM
@ChristianHupfer And 2 is odd, because it's the only even prime
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@HaraldHanche-Olsen Yes, a very odd prime
 
@egreg Actually, Odd and Even are fairly common Norwegian names.
 
3:42 PM
Time to repost this, I think. :)
Mar 24 '17 at 15:05, by Alan Munn
@egreg I don't know if I've posted this before, but the following is a table showing people's judgements on "how good an exemplar of the category even/odd number" is on a scale of 1-7 with 1 being the best. (Number judged is on the left column, mean score on the right.)
 
@AlanMunn Hmm, so they didn't ask people to rate 1 as an odd number? Did they ask about 7 twice, getting different answers?
@AlanMunn Oh, never mind; I see the answer in the original paper. Set A and set B, having just 7 and 57 in common.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Yes.
 
 
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5:35 PM
@UlrikeFischer @ChristianHupfer Oh no!
 
@CarLaTeX sshhh, little Italian duck, everything's gonna be alright!
 
@Skillmon ?
 
6:21 PM
@CarLaTeX there are no microscopic pineapple pieces on every slice of pizza.
 
@Skillmon Ah, well! :):):)
 
@CarLaTeX @PauloCereda A most sadistic example of vivisection! And useless as well. Cut through a human being right in the middle and you are going to find not only billions of bacteria but lots of other disgusting things. This goes to show that some theses ought not be written.

https://m.tagesanzeiger.ch/articles/5aba07a5ab5c373912000001
 
6:36 PM
@UlrikeFischer Oh no!
 
How to label the current position (may be outside of tikzpicture or in another node) for future reference in TikZ?
 
@UlrikeFischer What did they do to the brain of the duck?
@Skillmon remember picture?
 
@marmot so \tikzpitcure[remember picture]{\node at (0,0) (label-name) {};}?
 
@Skillmon Yes. Make sure to also use [remember picture] when you want to access the position.
... and you may want to use an overlay and/or inner sep=0pt and/or work with coordinates instead of nodes.
 
@marmot how does one save the coordinates as a named label, so I can use them?
 
6:46 PM
@Skillmon or use tikzmark
 
@DavidCarlisle that seems just right for me :)
 
@Skillmon @DavidCarlisle Yes, tikzmark or \tikz[remember picture,overlay]{\coordinate (x);} will do the job.
 
@Skillmon I'm an expert on tikz (I have a gold badge, I must be)
 
@DavidCarlisle :) I don't even have a bronze badge for tikz-pgf yet. So I have no clue what I'm doing
 
@Skillmon This feeling won't change at all.
 
6:51 PM
@Skillmon You need to post insightful tikz answers like this
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A: How can we make a pumpkin, jack-o-lantern, or other halloween spirit, ghoul, or skeleton?

David Carlisletikz?, pstricks? everyone knows the underworld used picture mode. \documentclass{article} \usepackage{color} \usepackage{pict2e} \pagecolor[RGB]{255,177,69} \begin{document} \begin{picture}(120,200) \thicklines \put(100,100){\circle{150}} \put(70,130){\line(1,-1){10}} \put(70,130){\line(-1,-...

 
@DavidCarlisle I though I had it with:
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A: Baseline in TikZ default unit of length

SkillmonIt seems that this is interpreted in pt: \documentclass[10pt]{article} \usepackage{pgf,tikz} \usepackage{mathrsfs} \usetikzlibrary{arrows} \pagestyle{empty} \begin{document} without baseline : \begin{tikzpicture}[line cap=round,line join=round,>=triangle 45] \clip(-1,-1) rectangle ...

 
@Skillmon no there is tikz in your answer it's more fun getting tikz points without using tikz
 
@DavidCarlisle I guess I did this whole site all wrong the whole time :(
@DavidCarlisle next up: Give a graphicx answer to a table question :)
 
Jan 2 '13 at 16:46, by David Carlisle
@FaheemMitha The new years resolution is to get a tikz gold badge by answering tikz question with tex primitives, picture mode, or if really pushed pstricks, doing quite well so far this year.
 
@DavidCarlisle Are you reputation-cap deprived?
 
7:28 PM
Question. That I don't think is fit for asking at the site: would any of you kings of TeX.SC checkout my answer and let me know if it's bad and why? I'm asking because I feel like I'm doing something naughty to solve the problem: tex.stackexchange.com/a/423517/85834
 
7:40 PM
@AndreasStorvikStrauman \mathrm might not take an argument itself, but calls a macro which does, so nothing bad about writing a wrapper around it. You could do this as well:
\documentclass[]{article}
\let\mathrmBAK\mathrm
\newif\ifmathrm
\renewcommand\mathrm[1]{\mathrmtrue\mathrmBAK{#1}\mathrmfalse}
\newcommand{\hello}{\ifmathrm world\else hello\fi}
\begin{document}
$ \hello\mathrm{\hello}$
\end{document}
@AndreasStorvikStrauman but this may be bad...
 
@DavidCarlisle -- you've got mail.
 
@AndreasStorvikStrauman it's pretty strange code but the answer to the question should be "don't do that" so hard to have a good answer (\ifnum\fam=0 mathrm \else not mathrm\fi is the answer but as I say teh question is probably the wrong question)
@barbarabeeton will look...
@Skillmon \ifnum\fam is easier:-)
@barbarabeeton don't see any from you
@barbarabeeton just arrived:-)
 
@samcarter Two things stood out. First, I was expecting \usetikzlibrary{ducks}. Second, I expected ducks to be pics, so that I could write \pic {duck}; and use all the options to pics (particularly with regard to transformations) rather than having to put the duck in a scope.
 
@Skillmon But this is exactly what I answered. But why may it be bad?
@DavidCarlisle What is this magic?
 
@AndreasStorvikStrauman it turns it from a robust command into a fragile command, for one thing
 
7:54 PM
@DavidCarlisle I'm stealing this as the answer, and then I go look at \fam
 
@DavidCarlisle -- after you've had a look, i intend to send it on to a couple more victims; you know who the usual suspects are.
 
@AndreasStorvikStrauman all \mathrm or\mathit etc do is change the internal integer \fam to some number between 0 and 15 denoting the 16 math families allowed in a math expression.
 
@AndreasStorvikStrauman you would do the OP a better service to point out that \mathit{III} and \mathrm{III} need no space and $III$ is the wrong thing to do anyway which is why it needs all the space
@LoopSpace look:
1 hour ago, by David Carlisle
@Skillmon or use tikzmark
 
@AndreasStorvikStrauman see @DavidCarlisle's answer to my code :) This is what you posted, but it redefines \mathrm and not only adds another \mathrm macro
 
7:59 PM
@DavidCarlisle I'll just quote you on it
@Skillmon I did this too, no?
 
@DavidCarlisle Who are you and what have you done with David?
 
@LoopSpace I'm this person
1 hour ago, by David Carlisle
@Skillmon I'm an expert on tikz (I have a gold badge, I must be)
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah, you're Jake in disguise.
 
@AndreasStorvikStrauman egreg just posted the same thing (but using the official latex name of \mathgroup rather than \fam but it's the same thing
 
@DavidCarlisle Awh. I can't "compete" here with you guys :( God I hate feeling like such a noob. Just gonna go to bed.
 
8:04 PM
@AndreasStorvikStrauman how long have you been using latex?
 
@DavidCarlisle I learn so much here though!
@DavidCarlisle Since I started studying-ish which is 4 years ago. so say 3-4 years maybe?
 
@AndreasStorvikStrauman so we have a head start on you, @egreg's been using it longer than me, and I've been using it for over 30 years:-)
@JosephWright er could you try pdflatex classes.dtx ?
 
@DavidCarlisle Yeah. I read your profile bio. Pretty impressive I think. I love to learn, and I've experienced that teaching is one of the best ways to do so. That's kinda why I'm here. That and I love to show off what I know.
Gnite everybodeehy
 
@AndreasStorvikStrauman night:-)
 
@AndreasStorvikStrauman Good night!
 
8:09 PM
@DavidCarlisle Yes: what am I supposed to see?
 
@JosephWright well it would be good if it got to the end without stopping
 
@DavidCarlisle Just pulled here, seems OK
 
@CarLaTeX Don't worry -- all pine apple quantum particles has been extinguished in a short period after the Big Bang when they encountered anti pine apple particles ;-)
 
i think I broke something but I'm not sure what (specifically \let\protect\noexpand is leaking out of the \begin{macro} index code so is trying to typeset the main text with \protect just turning random commands on to \relax the output isn't pretty. git status says I have a clean checkout so i'm a bit confused
 
@AndreasStorvikStrauman no, you defined a macro called \mathrmNew.
 
8:12 PM
@DavidCarlisle Ah, once you do the indexing?
 
@JosephWright no I just typed pdflatex classes.dtx in base I think I'll rebuild my format perhaps that;s what broke, it's been a long day:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah, could be
 
@JosephWright but if it looks good for you that's useful information as it narrows the possibilities:-)
rm -r /home/davidc/texmf/tex/latex/base let's start again.... :-)
 
GuM
Hi everbody! I’m afraid I’ve been a bit too though, perhaps, with @AndreasStorvikStrauman when he posted his answer to Is it possible to create a macro that changes when $\mathrm$ is applied to it?; I hadn’t followed the discussion that was going on here, and I was somewhat disappointed by an answer apparently “stolen” from someone else…
“… a bit too tough”, of course, not “though”!
 
a question that has nothing to do with tex ... a colleague has about a thousand pages of math manuscripts in ms word, and he's having serious font problems: "that Greek letters as well as \sum and \prod come out as fence bits in Word display but are listed as being in a font called Symbol". (word and i are incompatible, so i can't help.) does anyone here know who or where i might ask, to get him some help?
 
8:27 PM
@ChristianHupfer Oooh
 
GuM
@barbarabeeton: OK, that’s normal. What problem is your colleague experimenting?
 
@GuM -- he reports that he does not have the font called "Symbol", that the .doc file is being interpreted as `.docx', and he needs to know how to do font substitution. (he says that he'd "settle for understanding how to do font substitution for Apple Pages instead, or better, in addition.") the sample he sent me, that i'm trying to read in outlook, is totally garbled, definitely not utf-8. can barely be recognized as french.
@GuM -- i'm afraid that isn't very helpful, but it seems we're pretty code-incompatible. (and thanks for trying to help.)
 
GuM
@barbarabeeton: What operating system is your colleague using?
Oh, you cited “Apple Pages”, I didn’t pay attention to that detail.
 
@GuM -- i'm asking. (he's about a thousand miles away. we're communicating by email.)
 
GuM
So I guess it is macOS. And the “Symbol” font is missing? How strange!
 
8:37 PM
@GuM -- he did say that he has "had to do a laptop change". i will ask for more details.
 
GuM
@barbarabeeton: The important thing to know is that your colleague is not asking about converting a one thousand page Word document into LaTeX! :-)
@barbarabeeton: I was somewhat afraid of that…!
 
@JosephWright it works with 2017-04-15 but fails with a format built from source, I think something is broken
 
@GuM -- i think not; i think he's trying to prepare submitted papers (about 30 of them) for a conference, so as long as he can get them to be comprehensible pdf files, it doesn't matter what the source is coded in.
 
@GuM egreg stole same idea from somewhere as well:-)
 
GuM
@DavidCarlisle OK, you report that to a moderator, I don’t dare to! ;-)
 
8:45 PM
@GuM @JosephWright ^^^^^^^^^^
 
@DavidCarlisle I didn't see your discussion, so I used the right way.
 
GuM
Changing subject—I have worked out a solution to
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Q: Extensible triple-bracket delimiter with a new symbol

user94293\DeclarePairedDelimiter allows one to define extensible delimiters (for example using the \big option). An example is provided below with double brackets. I need a similar delimiter with triple brackets. As I was unable to find one, I built it from the double bracket symbol found in stmaryd. ...

based on virtual fonts. I’m not sure if anybody wuold be interested in it, so I have not posted it.
 
@JosephWright found it, Fr someone broke the documentation
 
GuM
Of course, it requires a bit of hacking, but the results are satisfactory. Does anybody here think it is worth publishing?
 
9:10 PM
@GuM I think it might be interesting, the question comes up from time to time, or similar questions like making a double delimiter if the font doesn't have one
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
@DavidCarlisle He's allowed to do that
 
@JosephWright anyway glad it's just that not some fundamental breakage in the fomat
 
9:26 PM
@DavidCarlisle I see you like tab completion too ;-)
 
@UlrikeFischer since I can't type a word as long as "the" without getting the letters in the wrong order, it is something of a necessity
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@DavidCarlisle ;-) I always mix up the hyphen and underscores.
 
9:43 PM
@UlrikeFischer I nveer mkae typpign rrors
 
@UlrikeFischer it probably wouldn't be hard to make l3build do the equivalent of basename on the test names so any leading directory and trailing extension were removed, then you could use or not use the full filepath
 
@DavidCarlisle True
@DavidCarlisle Except makes life a bit more tricky with expectation tests
 
@JosephWright yes I was wondering whether overloading the meaning might cause complications with some of the possibilities.
 
GuM
10:01 PM
@UlrikeFischer Tab completion? Sounds interesting: what is it? Is it a feature of this chatline?
 
10:42 PM
@GuM no of the command shell type start of a filename (or command or environment variable etc) and hit tab and it completes the name as far as possible (actually like the tab completion on user names after @ here)
 
11:00 PM
@DavidCarlisle I always thought tab completion was something for a dishwasher ;-)
 
@marmot such modern technology is beyond me
 
GuM
11:28 PM
@DavidCarlisle Yes, that I knew already! For a moment, I hoped something similar existed on this chatline too (cf. the auto-completion function of smartphones), that allowed my to just type, say, hel, and have some javascript code automatically suggest hello, hello everybody, and hello, @PauloCereda as the most commonly used completions.
 
@GuM yes I thought you'd know what tab completion was, I wondered whether you knew it under a different name, Ulrike was actually referring to github.com/latex3/l3build/issues/63
 
GuM
(Is really @PauloCereda the most frequently addressed person here?)
 
@GuM we could make sure that @PauloCereda is, if not already by mentioning @PauloCereda for no reason at all
 
GuM
@DavidCarlisle Ah, OK, thanks. Anyway, as I repeat, many smartphones feature a similar function, so maybe the owners of this site might consider adding it, one day or another…
@DavidCarlisle Isn’t anybody here already mentioning @PauloCereda without any valid reason all the time? ;-)
@PauloCereda: Quack!
 
@GuM install this perhaps? (I haven't tried it) addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/type-autosuggest/…
@GuM you mean like
Jan 12 '16 at 12:15, by David Carlisle
@PauloCereda finished your thesis?
 
GuM
11:38 PM
@DavidCarlisle I knew somebody had already done it! Veeery nice!
 
@GuM perhaps @PauloCereda could use it to autocomplete his thesis?
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GuM
@DavidCarlisle This surely deserves a star! (At least…)
It’s almost two in the morning (CEST): time to go to sleep! Good night, and thanks for the happy hour I’ve spent.
 

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