@marmot I'll complain to the Powers!

@egreg I guess they will tell you that you are a mathematician and not supposed to be able to count.

@marmot :)

@DavidCarlisle I'm just reading academia.stackexchange.com/a/121773 and I'm curious: Does "Google have produced..." sounds right to you?

@samcarter -- this is likely to sound "proper" to @DavidCarlisle and @JosephWright, since they're british. to me, a native resident of the u.s., it sounds affected -- i'm more comfortable with the singular. one gets a distinct feeling for the difference when one messes around in standards working groups and learns to adjust to the style of the principal author of a draft, whether british or "american" (or something else entirely), to keep it consistent.

@egreg -- curious (since i haven't got tex available on my laptop), what is the plain tex equivalent of this?

@barbarabeeton The Plain TeX equivalent is roughly this:

\def\resetmathfont{\scriptfont1=\seveni}
\everymath{\aftergroup\resetmathfont}

\setbox0=\hbox{$$}\scriptfont1=\scriptfont0

$x_{max}$ works\footnote{*}{But $x_{max}$ doesn't} and what about $x_{max}$?

\bye

@barbarabeeton well the reason why @egreg was moaning at me is that I used tex primitives (so the plain tex version is the same) but as I didn't update the higher level latex data structures, the settings get set back in latex at various points (mostly anything font size related, which of course isn't an issue in plain)

@samcarter you can refer to a company in the singular or the plural but usually in any context where it could be understood as a name for the collection of employees, or as you quote there, the actions of its employees, then plural is more common (in British English) (as @barbarabeeton said)

Quack?

@PauloCereda dinner!

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@DavidCarlisle @barbarabeeton Interesting! Thanks a lot for your replies!

@samcarter I first became aware of that difference when as a post grad student the lifts working so we had to walk up 10 flights of stairs, I was with a visiting American student I was with was laughing at the sign on the lift door, and I wondered what was funny about having to walk up the stairs and she explained that despite being in English, almost every word seemed wrong to her, it was something like "John Smith and sons apologise for the lifts being out of action"

@samcarter as an American she thought companies shouldn't refer to themselves in the plural, companies never apologise for anything and lifts are not called lifts but elevators...

@UlrikeFischer it is a bit strange. It seems I can fix this without hypcap by just adding a \phantom section in the right place. The refstepcounter that would provide the anchor seems to run too far away from the actual typesetting of \label. I'll see if I can make it as a patch for testing.

@daleif Why should that be strange? Imho classes like memoir or KOMA should be able to set the correct anchors themselves and shouldn't need to be patched by packages like hypcap or hyperref.

:48136357I don't always agree on where the anchor should go. Which anchor generating tools do we have (as class maintainers) other than refstepcounter or phantomsection. Why is it our job to tear apart how captions work, because users want anchors else where? Why is that not a part of the for example the float core.

@daleif because latex was designed before the internet, and label/ref at its heart only tries to get the right number with no regard for location of anchors....

@DavidCarlisle the main issue with the memoir subbottom code is that each is running refstepcounter. Do we have any why of actually visualizing the anchors? Then one might get a better idea of why it is too early.

@daleif it's a \write whatsit node so actually quite hard in general to make visible without affecting the spacing although defining \label to do \rlap{\smash{HERE}] might be near enough

@DavidCarlisle too bad

@daleif even if it were part of the core code, you would as class writer have to consider anchors when defining stuff like this subbottom code. Like setting the numbers correctly, anchors are nowadays part of the task. Regarding making them visible:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{hyperref}
\usepackage{xcolor}
\makeatletter

\def\hyper@anchorstart#1{%
  \raisebox{0.8\baselineskip}[0pt][0pt]{\tiny\makebox[0pt][l]{\textcolor{red}{$\downarrow$#1}}}%
  \new@pdflink{#1}%
  \Hy@activeanchortrue
}
\def\hyper@anchorend{%
  \pdf@endanchor
  \Hy@activeanchorfalse
  \raisebox{0.8\baselineskip}[0pt][0pt]{\tiny\makebox[0pt][l]{\textcolor{green}{$\downarrow$}}}}



\begin{document}
\section{abc}

\phantomsection xxxx


\refstepcounter{section}
\end{document}

WE CAN HAVE .PIZZA DOMAINS

Guys this is very important!

@PauloCereda and what about .ananas?

@PauloCereda boycott.pineapple.pizza

@egreg ooh

@UlrikeFischer ooh das Pineapple

@JosephWright I downvoted the “escape /n” question so it can be deleted; how's it possible it received an upvote?

@egreg I guess someone wants to give the OP time to edit: I think they are looking for \textbackslash or verbatim mode

@JosephWright tex.pizza

@UlrikeFischer thanks hyperref code almost make my head hurt as much as LaTeX code does. But should we add the anchors or resort to using phantomsection and refstepcounter

Hmm, phantomsection is not correct, the context name in the label comes out wrong. Back to drawing board

@egreg, do you remember the original publication ?

@DavidCarlisle hm

Hello!

TeX qrouping question, why does this code work

note that two marked \egroup's, they end the \vbox, but they come before the \fi part of \if@Something, is that just because of grouping levels? Because as I see it the last \@tempboxa and the ending fi ends up in the vtop code.

I am trying to open link given nelow in my android phone. But latex is not running. What to do?

paramanands.blogspot.com/2014/05/…

@Silent 'ello!

Hi

@Silent I believe it's not TeX, but MathJaX. Looks like scripts are not loading.

Ok! So what can i do?

@Silent there does not seem to be any LaTeX processors loaded at all on that page. The only thing you have is the LaTeX code it self.

I'm guessing that the code I posted should be interpreted as

Microsoft has officially unveiled "Windows Sandbox," a feature that was expected to be unveiled next year. Windows Sandbox, the company says, creates "an isolated, temporary desktop environment" where users can run potentially suspicious software. From a report: Windows Sandbox is an isolated desktop environment which functions much like a virtual machine; any software installed to it is completely sandboxed from the host operating system. Aimed at businesses, enterprises and security-conscious home users, Windows Sandbox will be part of Windows 10 Pro and Windows 10 Enterprise. It is not c…

@JosephWright, @DavidCarlisle ^^ let's post this in the TL mailing list as a means to revive the fun discussing S-mode. :)

@PauloCereda That's the first step towards having windows automatically removed after leaving it. Imagine what a relieve this will be. ;-)

@daleif er can you make that a runnable example? what does it do that you don't expect?

@marmot ooh :)

@daleif ;-). Hyperref makes my head hurt sometimes too - I don't know why I ended handling it - probably the result of some cunning plan from @DavidCarlisle. \phantomsection is most certainly wrong - it sets an anchor of the "section*" type. But beside this I'm not sure, as the memoir code isn't easy either ...

@DavidCarlisle Written on papyrus, yes.

@egreg what a terrible choice for a font family. :)

/ba dum tss

@PauloCereda You mean like this? :) \documentclass{standalone} \usepackage{phaistos} \begin{document} \PHpapyrus\PHpapyrus\PHpapyrus\PHpapyrus\PHpapyrus \end{document}

Oh my

@PauloCereda I don't see any problem with this font :)

@samcarter :)

@UlrikeFischer as far as I can see Peter just adjusted code from the subfigure package. The anchor problem comes from subbottom being essentially first refstepcounter, leavevmode, vtop(vbox(...)...). The anchor has to be at least inside the vtop

@DavidCarlisle ill see if I can make an example tomorrow, mainly my confusion is that the vbox ends (egroup) in the middle of an if statement

^^ @JosephWright @DavidCarlisle any updates? :)

Hello, all together. By accident, I saw that there is a shady website that collects examples from here and presents it: autosmasestilo.com/ieee-latex-template. Not sure if this is maybe relevant for a moderator here.

@Dr.ManuelKuehner Actually this site is pretty hilarious. It's totally done with bots I assume, because what human would write "56 Inspirational Ieee Latex Template Pictures"! They also have a section of "Birthday Cars". And you can also get " 58 Inspirational Lawn Maintenance Schedule Template Pics".

@daleif yes if/fi nesting is completely independent of grouping

@AlanMunn I see :). Strange :).

@AlanMunn -- did you try to look at what was linked from anywhere? this is a porn site. an entirely different kind of latex. i was informed that i would have to assure that i was over 18 years old to look at one that purported to deal with amsmath display equations.

@barbarabeeton Really? I clicked on a few things and it just took me to other strangely titled pages on the same site. I think they mainly want you to share the links on social media so that they can gain false clicks revenue.

@AlanMunn -- i guess i just lucked out. maybe they figure that mathematicians are more open to suggestion than linguists.

@barbarabeeton :D