6:27 AM
@PauloCereda it looks predatory to me. Not good for the ducks ;)

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7:36 AM
@DavidCarlisle Ok. I accept your suggestion.

8:08 AM
@marmot Yes. :)
@Raaja We ducks do not like predatory stuff, it's dangerous. :)

8:24 AM
@ShreevatsaR how is it possible to see that 1970 is written without thousands separator but in 3,800 yes? I think it is a NY Times mistake @DavidCarlisle @barbarabeeton

@PauloCereda Exactly!!

8:43 AM
@manooooh 1970 is a date (year); while in “3,800 years ago”, what we have is a number. Seems fine to me.

@ShreevatsaR hi mr. velociraptor!

@manooooh you never use a comma in dates

@ShreevatsaR @DavidCarlisle I think that it is not appropriate to assign characters to numbers, and less in a communication medium. In fact, if you make mistakes using these ornaments it is more noticeable than if there are not any
@DavidCarlisle I think you meant "you should never use a comma in numbers" :):)

9:04 AM
@manooooh number is a character, isn't it? :)

9:40 AM
At work, I stumbled across an article that contains both "AK-47" and "LSD". Ouch.

10:04 AM
@PauloCereda ^^ You could just as well live in Australia!

10:16 AM
@manooooh but there is no mistake here so it's not a problem.

@samcarter ooh

10:55 AM
@DavidCarlisle nice jacket ;-).

@UlrikeFischer ooh James Bond

@PauloCereda only the suitable mug missing ;-)

@UlrikeFischer ooh a secret

@UlrikeFischer well I wouldn't want to look stupid with a duck on my head:-)

@DavidCarlisle oi

11:25 AM
@DavidCarlisle my duck is swimming nicely in a moat

@UlrikeFischer much better place for keeping dinner fresh than on a head

11:46 AM
New palindrome for me:
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12:00 PM
@DavidCarlisle james bond ducks can shoot vimeo.com/284348495

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1:12 PM
@manooooh -- in an english-language environment, year designations never have commas. but if you were talking about 1,970 chocolate chip cookies, you usually would use a comma. and for very large numbers, say 23,000,000,000, it would be very hard to determine quickly the exact magnitude without some kind of separator. (in some places, a thin space is used instead, and there's also "exponential" notation, but that's not universally understood.)

@barbarabeeton Some programming languages also include separator support to increasy readability. :)

1:29 PM
@Skillmon hi mr. rabbit!

2:15 PM
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@WillRobertson ooh

did you see that Manfred uploaded a pkgcheck application? (I couldn't try it, it says " A Windows version is not planned." ;-().


@UlrikeFischer No, I missed that! Interesting. I guess there isn't a Mac version either.

@UlrikeFischer Windows S-mode can take care of that. :)
@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle ^^

2:36 PM
@WillRobertson it'll probably get caught in a loop and never get there:-)

@PauloCereda hello, Mr. Duck!

@PauloCereda what's your field of research?

@DavidCarlisle Thanks for writing the code in the first place. I never would have got it off the ground!

are oy in medicine at all?

@UlrikeFischer what language is that written in?
Oh, Rust

2:53 PM
@WillRobertson luckily you have worked on it enough that if it doesn't work we can blame you:-)

Finally managed to add my TeXmas contribution :)

@Skillmon @thymaro that is a link, but clearly the best link is tex.meta.stackexchange.com/a/7955/1090

@thymaro Theory of computation :)

3:03 PM
@DavidCarlisle after reading @thymaro 's first message again, I noticed that the question might have been to link to the TeXmas-fun, not to my contribution, in which case I wouldn't have linked to any of the answers but to the OP.

@Skillmon I wouldn't argue with a killer rabbit

@PauloCereda then you are clearly qualified to give a talk about that otolaryngology thing! go for it!
@DavidCarlisle Oh, don't underestimate my scrolling skills. I have seen your contribution. ;)
@Skillmon of course

3:30 PM
@thymaro Yes, after all, NP stands for nasal passage.

3:44 PM
@AlanMunn and NP complete?

@Skillmon When you're very congested.

4:03 PM
@PauloCereda I always knew TeX was written by a cat! It's so sneaky. ;-)
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4:16 PM
@marmot it grew up to be a lion
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5:13 PM
@PauloCereda @samcarter we need a cat in tikzlings!

@CarLaTeX Die Katze

@PauloCereda That doesn't sound well in Italian, lol

@CarLaTeX Oopsie

5:36 PM
@CarLaTeX Until the tikzlings cat is ready, you can use the cats from @cfr

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6:52 PM
@samcarter I know them, of course!

7:31 PM
@DavidCarlisle It seems that you're in good company in your plans for LaTeX3: "[Knuth] figures it will take another 25 years to finish “The Art of Computer Programming,” although that time frame has been a constant since about 1980."

8:30 PM
@JosephWright \RequirePackage[constants format = roman]{stuff} do you make that work or is the space removed by the usual requirepackage option \zap@space ?

@DavidCarlisle Oh, there's that too ...

@JosephWright I thought I'd better check first:-)

I am using siunitx and I am getting a line break between two units; basically 10 m kg has a line break between the m and the kg. Is that "allowed"?

\DeclareSIUnit{\HL}{HL} \SI{35}{\decibel\HL} gives me 35 dB [line break] HL

8:46 PM
\documentclass{article}
\listfiles
\usepackage{siunitx}

\DeclareSIUnit{\HL}{HL}

\begin{document}

rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb
rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb
rhubarb rhubarb \SI{35}{\decibel\HL}

\end{document}
@StrongBad ^^^ Works OK. You can turn on breaks but you'd do so explicitly ...

@JosephWright crap, now I have to figure out what I am doing wrong.
Ha, I found it. Silly coauthor did not use \SI If you use the macros you get the right answer, if you don't use the package you get the wrong answer.

@StrongBad There's a reason I spent a long time writing it ...

@JosephWright so how do you make sure all numbers use the macros?

@StrongBad You can't enforce that, other than in LuaTeX (where one can use a callback)

9:04 PM
@AlanMunn did @barbarabeeton send you that link?

@DavidCarlisle No but I'm sure she knows it. :)

9:21 PM
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@thymaro most of the regulars in this room seem to know what they are doing (at least in regards to TeX).

@DavidCarlisle are package option lists always passed through an edef?

@UlrikeFischer yes, and \zap@space it seemed a good idea at the time.

@egreg @barbarabeeton Please, in multline, would you do +\dotsb\\+ or +\\\dotsb+ ?

9:26 PM
@boycott.se-yo' I'd do the first (I think)

@DavidCarlisle well as quite often people want to store options in a macro it is not so bad - as long as you don't try to pass non expandable stuff ;-).

@UlrikeFischer options were supposed to be things like 12pt or fleqn not some key with spaces = \somefragilemacro

@DavidCarlisle my package options are never more complicated ;-).

@UlrikeFischer well you're German, you probably wouldn't dream of putting spaces in a key name:-)
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@DavidCarlisle thanks. Well, it probably does not matter in the end :-)

9:33 PM
@DavidCarlisle at one of the christmas concerts we heard a story about "Schneeseekleerehfeedrehzehwehtee" - very german and completly impossible to traduce ;-).
@DavidCarlisle the tikz people seem to plan a tikz update and now realized that since months the graphdrawing library can not be used with the new luaotfload and that they can't compile the manual ;-(.

@UlrikeFischer do they blame you?

@DavidCarlisle no, the message (in a german list) had not clue and blamed miktex in general.
@DavidCarlisle hm. It is leaving out all the difficult bits ;-).

@boycott.se-yo' -- according to the authority here, neither. it would be xxx\\ +\dotsb +  -- the ams style is to put the plus (or =) at the start of the new line, and the dots go along with it. we'd probably just code it as \cdots, but other publishers may have other styles.

@barbarabeeton oh that's a solution!
Thanks @barbarabeeton

10:35 PM
@DavidCarlisle Do you need to see the output of the following?
\documentclass{article}

\begin{document}
\sbox0{}\scriptfont1=\scriptfont0

$x_{max}$ works\footnote{But $x_{max}$ doesn't} and what about $x_{max}$?

\end{document}`

@egreg yes that's a feature