TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2018-01-05

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12:13 AM

@AlanMunn -- i think not the same as "... that he be released". i've always assumed it's dialectal. fascinating find with the weather -- it's "assumed" that appalachian dialects are holdovers from the elizabethan. been a long time since i was actively reading in that area, but one of my linguistics profs was a great dialectician. (w, nelson francis; he worked with henry kucera on the computer at brown, creating the "brown corpus".)

@barbarabeeton That's neat. I know Francis' name of course, from the corpus, but had no idea he was a dialectologist.

@AlanMunn -- and he was a good teacher. so was henry kucera; the only formal programming course i've ever taken was taught by henry. (in the year i worked at the brown computer lab, i actually keypunched (a small) oart of the brown corpus. fun.)

12:43 AM

@JosephWright From media9.sty :-(

\cs_generate_variant:Nn\tl_if_blank:nF{c}
\cs_generate_variant:Nn\tl_if_eq:NNTF{Vn}

Unused, of course

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Harald Hanche-Olsen

7:28 AM

@barbarabeeton @AlanMunn I think subjunctive is the correct grammatical term. Another example, from Fiddler on the roof: “If I were a rich man …”. More at the link.

7:56 AM

@CarLaTeX chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/3973372#3973372

@DavidCarlisle Prof. van Duck will reprimand me!

@DavidCarlisle If my question is not a duplicate, you could write an answer

@CarLaTeX must be a duplicate of something (I assume it works i didn't actually try it:-)

@CarLaTeX e.g. tex.stackexchange.com/a/121784/2388. But there are certainly more about the same topic.

@CarLaTeX searching for "footnote in grfguide" gets

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Q: Why does adding color to a table row increase the height?

I'm trying to make a beamer slide containing a table with the text in a row styled in a different color. However, the row's height increases when colored, as opposed to the default. The same problem occurs if I use the \rowfont command. How do I correct this? \PassOptionsToPackage{table}{xcolor...

tables beamer color

@DavidCarlisle Your solution (\leavevmode before \color) works!

8:01 AM

@CarLaTeX about the color package, like pizza toppings, I can usually be trusted.

@DavidCarlisle Yes, that's a duplicate, should I delete my question od mark it as duplicate?

@CarLaTeX dup I think is what you are supposed to do

@DavidCarlisle :P

@DavidCarlisle OK, voted to close, I put @UlrikeFischer as duplicate because also the title is equal

I thought tikz could only draw ducks?

0

Q: improve the code for a rabbit

I have the following code for a rabbit. Could you help to improve it? \documentclass[12pt]{standalone} \usepackage{pgf,tikz} \begin{document} \begin{tikzpicture} \draw[ultra thick] (8.487120635907601,5.055577303411975)-- (8.653420477717171,5.393068158849042)-- (8.89797906861359...

@DavidCarlisle I just thought that it shows that tikz can draw nearly as good as the picture mode ;-)

8:22 AM

Quack!

8:33 AM

Hello there, I need to typeset one character as roman math in a presentation

But with \mathrm I get still a sans serif font

I guess that is because of beamer

I read tex.stackexchange.com/questions/34265/…

But I agree that the whole presentation looks better if the maths are in sans serif by default, However I need that one symbol in roman because of notational conventions

8:53 AM

@DavidCarlisle we need our resident rabbit @Skillmon

@PauloCereda I think the OP wants a cuddly bunny not a monster

@DavidCarlisle quack :)

@nathdwek depending on your font setup there may be something predefined but otherwise \text{\fontfamily{cmr}\selectfont abc} should give cm roman abc

9:08 AM

@DavidCarlisle actually I was wrong in thinking beamer was doin something weird

I did \mathrm{\mathbf{J}} and it was only bold but not rm

Which is also surprising me

\mathrm{J} works though

But how to combine both?

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Q: Bold sans serif math font

Inspired by Mr. Carlisle's answer here, I was wondering how to use a bold sans serif math font. The way one can create normal bold sans serif text is as follows: \documentclass[]{standalone} \begin{document} \textbf{\textsf{This text is bold.}} \end{document} How would I get bold sans serif ...

Haha!

Ok this is fixed

@nathdwek math font selections by design do not combine like text ones (as they are supposed to denote some semantic category and there is no reason to suppose that the semantic categories denote by roman, bold-italic and bold-roman are related as implied by the nesting

@nathdwek ooh excellent answer to that question:-)

@StefanKottwitz @PauloCereda texdoc.net “Last update: August 14, 2016.” Please update.

@HenriMenke oh no

@HenriMenke @PauloCereda needs to finish his thesis before being distracted with such things, look again in 2020

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11:30 AM

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@PauloCereda you should be pleased that I had faith in you and suggested that it would end, I could have said "there is no chance of him getting back to this" but I didn't ~~even though that would be more accurate~~

@DavidCarlisle oh no again

11:59 AM

@TeXnician clearly you are starting the new year in a bad way:-)

@DavidCarlisle Now probably yes ;)

@TeXnician :-)

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1:28 PM

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@DavidCarlisle Ooh

1:49 PM

@JosephWright I had advance warning:-)

@DavidCarlisle Ah

@JosephWright I don't think it is possible (in standard pdf, for any viewer) to force a viewer open a new window like <a href=.... target=... in html, although I suggested he ask here in case I had missed something...

@DavidCarlisle ooh Peter Cushing

@DavidCarlisle ??

@PauloCereda good guess, but Cushing doesn't begin with A

@UlrikeFischer Father of ctan:-)

@JosephWright ooh @AlexG answered: I had missed something:-)

2:01 PM

@DavidCarlisle ooh Peter Cushing founded CTAN

2:47 PM

@PauloCereda With the important help by Bela Lugosi and Boris Karloff.

@egreg ooh They never use... Perl. :)

3:00 PM

@PauloCereda I never exit from… vim

@egreg oi

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@egreg In the same way that I never stopped smoking?

Hello

Is there a way to cite once with a certain style?

@nathdwek it depends

Yeah I was being lazy, I think I'll find what I need

I mostly use a numeric style IEEE or other, but for readability I'd like to cite authortitle once

I know citeauthor and citetitle exist

3:10 PM

@nathdwek basically you need to have generated the bibliography list with enough info to support all the citation styles you need

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Yes, I have several abandoned terminal sessions with vim started in error. ;-)

is there an authortitle command out of the box?

Biber + Biblatex btw

@DavidCarlisle I am not sure I follow

@nathdwek no because normally in non-numeric citation styles the author name key is already placed in the \bibitem for use in cite so if teh bibitem just says [25] you are stuffed

@nathdwek biblatex probably changes things as more choices are made later by latex rather than bibtex but that's too modern for me:-)

@egreg oh no

@DavidCarlisle uuuuuh

waw that flew over my head

3:13 PM

@nathdwek someone else may answer who know more biblatex:-)

@DavidCarlisle biblatex offers \citeauthor as-standard

Just by curiosity, do you think you could ELI5 how if I use a numeric style I wouldn't be able to cite authortitle later on? (with bibtex)

@JosephWright Do you see anything more elegant than defining a newcommand that basically calls \citeauthor and \citetitle?

@nathdwek Isn't that just an author-title citation style?

Yes, but I'd like to do it just once

I use a numeric style for the whole document

But just one time, because it is a "foundational article" I'd like any reader to read the author name and the title once even if he doesn't bother with the bib, footnotes, appendices, or general culture

with bibtex the citation style is chosen at bibliography creation time for named style the generated list looks like `\bibitem[{Ashburner and Friston(2005)}{Ashburner2005}` where the optional argument is used in the list display and by `\cite` for a numeric style the generated list looks like `\bibitem{abdelaziz2010distribution}
{\sc Abdelaziz, A.~Y., Mohamed, F., Mekhamer, S., and Badr, M.}
\newblock Di` so `\bibitem` has no optional argument so produces `[2]` or whatever and there is no information about title and author (unless you can read the text which latex can not do)

3:21 PM

@nathdwek Then why spending time on finding the perfect elegant solution? \citeauthor and \citetitle should be fine.

@DavidCarlisle it depends. The jurabib style puts a lot of data in the bibitem, so you could extract various info. But naturally biblatex is much more powerfull and has no problem with it.

@nathdwek for that I would use the name explicitly in the text, See the article by Joe Blogs, \cite{jb} producing See the article by Joe Blogs, [3]

@UlrikeFischer yes that's why my initial reply to @nathdwek was "it depends" you can write a bib style that supports whatever you need....

4:03 PM

@UlrikeFischer meanwhile:

def\@ifundefined#1{%
  \expandafter\ifx\csname\ifcsname#1\endcsname#1\else relax\fi\endcsname\relax
    \expandafter\@firstoftwo
  \else
    \expandafter\@secondoftwo
 \fi}

@DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle ;-) When will go public?

@UlrikeFischer I promised the team I'd get the spaces in filenames and utf8 defaulting in a branch for review before Christmas, but it appears to be after Christmas now and no branch:( (but we hope to get something out "early in the new year" , even if it doesn't have all the things planned, there are enough things in base and tools building up)

4:22 PM

@DavidCarlisle Does the team ask finished your ~thesis~ branch? ;-)

Why does ~~strikethrought~~ not work?

@UlrikeFischer ~~Oh no it doesn't~~ Oh yes it does

Lets try ~~strike~~. It's three -, not two tilde.

@UlrikeFischer :)

@UlrikeFischer after I triage all the longtable features?

@DavidCarlisle and the hyperref uploads ;-) (which reminds me that there was something I promised to look at).

4:37 PM

@HaraldHanche-Olsen -- :subjunctive" was my immediate thought, but i hesitated to say it because my linguistic vocabulary is rusty. (wouldn't have hesitated in the "if i were a rich man" case. but the "be" in "if the weather be good" is really not "standard"; i just like the sound of that phrasing.)

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@barbarabeeton My guess is that the usage is somewhat archaic, rather than nonstandard. But I am not a linguist either!

@HaraldHanche-Olsen -- agreed about the archaic. re being a linguist, i do have a masters degree in the subject, but i list it under "hobbies" rather than profession. alan munn is the acknowledged linguist on this chat site.

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@barbarabeeton @AlanMunn Oh! I am guilty of telling a grandmother how to suck eggs!

@barbarabeeton and I thought it was me

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@DavidCarlisle No, you're the residential polyglot, I take it. Different thing.

@DavidCarlisle Men jeg har ikke sett deg prøve nå norsk så langt.

4:52 PM

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Jeg har tilgang til et orakel med mange ferdigheter

@HaraldHanche-Olsen -- i've been told worse!

@barbarabeeton are you at home yet?

today i really felt old when i asked a (professional) guitarist if he knew pete seeger, and he said "who?"

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@barbarabeeton I was actually referring to @AlanMunn, though his is presumably not a grandmother.

@barbarabeeton :)

@DavidCarlisle -- nope, still at the rehab facility. probably another week. but now they've got me walking (wobbily) with a cane, and climbing stairs.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen -- i think not. (i do have a married grandnephew, though no grandchildren, so i can't predict when another generation may emerge.)

5:06 PM

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Well I was thinking about how to delicately bring up this issue. :) As for the subjunctive, as @barbarabeeton notes the usage is different from the standard 'if I were' construction, since the form of the verb is the bare 'be' rather than the inflected form. So they're not quite the same.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen As a side note, I (and other English linguists) are wary of calling even the other form a subjunctive (even thought that's the traditional name) because it really has very little in common with what is the subjunctive in other languages (e.g. the Romance languages.)

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@AlanMunn Well, good thing I started my sentence with “I think”, then.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen So we typically use the subjunctive to mean only the bare verb form found in expressions like "I demand that he be released" and not the inflected form in the counterfactual "If I were a rich man". In that respect, the "if the weather be good" is closer to the former than the latter (which was what I was musing originally in my discussion with @barbarabeeton).

@barbarabeeton That shouldn't make you feel old, it should make him feel ignorant. :)

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@AlanMunn and certainly no relation with this one ↓↓

Chuck Berry - Johnny B. Goode

@HaraldHanche-Olsen :D

On another note, it's nice to see other sites with good senses of humour too:

@Grimm The Opiner: Infinity is not possible. As the number of cylinders approaches infinity, their firing sequence approaches simultaneity. - Interestingly, in addition the size of the aircraft approaches the size of the universe, obviating the need to take off. — A. I. Breveleri 23 hours ago

5:25 PM

@AlanMunn YAY FOR ROMANCE LANGUAGES

@PauloCereda De ce țipi?

@PauloCereda they all look like German

@AlanMunn uh-oh

@PauloCereda I assure you that's a Romance language.

@DavidCarlisle although hyphenation in German is NP-hard. :)

@AlanMunn dern sure! :D

5:27 PM

@PauloCereda Since NP-hard is an adjective, I think it must be np-hard. :)

@AlanMunn here we go again. :)

@PauloCereda np-recursive?

@AlanMunn np-help! :)

In other news, I had to briefly use Word (2011 for Mac) and write two or three formulas. THE HORROR.

@PauloCereda as far as I understand the interface is that you write the math in latex, convert to mathml, paste the mathml into word.

@DavidCarlisle Not for 2011. :(

5:32 PM

@PauloCereda word from word 2007 should support that (unless it was different on the mac)

@DavidCarlisle Hmmm so I am lost then. The interface I had at my disposal was terrible. Let me try that again (Mac is nearby).

@PauloCereda you have to follow these instructions to the letter including the editor....

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A: Embed LaTeX math equations into Microsoft Word

You should be able to cut and paste mathematics from your web browser to Word (or any of the Micorsoft Office suite). Unfortunately at present you have to make a small edit but any text editor will do for that. Given x=\frac{-b\pm\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a} Make a small html file that looks like <!...

@DavidCarlisle even emacs?!

@PauloCereda you need an editor that you can exit

@DavidCarlisle you are mean

5:38 PM

Jun 29 '17 at 16:15, by Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle you are not mean :)

@DavidCarlisle oh

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@DavidCarlisle @PauloCereda Perhaps it is possible to talk nodejs into doing it for you?

5:59 PM

@DavidCarlisle I think the Mac version lagged behind the PC version for quite a while and this didn't become possible until Word 2013 on the Mac. But I don't know for sure.

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7:29 PM

@AlanMunn -- thank you for the kind words. unfortunately, he doesn't know enough to feel ignorant. but before i leave here, i'll try to give him an education. (actually, at the moment, i don't really feel old, but i do feel a bit more fragile than i did a couple of weeks ago. next time i detect freezing rain outside, on with the yaktrax before stepping out.)

@HaraldHanche-Olsen -- good one!

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@barbarabeeton ;)

@AlanMunn -- love it! do you fly?

@barbarabeeton No I don't. It's something that has always interested me, but not enough to actually go out and get a licence. :) But I find the site an interesting read.

7:53 PM

@barbarabeeton When I was at the U. of Waterloo as an undergrad I had a friend who had a pilot's licence and we would sometimes fly to Toronto to go for dinner. There's an airport right on an island at the foot of downtown that you can land in and then you hop on a transit system run ferry and ten minutes later you're in downtown.

@AlanMunn -- i know about that airport and just love it. that's the field we chose to fly into when attending tug 2016 in toronto. the ferry ride is delightful (i happen to like ferries a lot), and coming into the airport from the air is delightful as well. when we flew in, there was a lot of small boat (sail) traffic to enjoy watching. can't think of any airfield that's nicer, especially since meigs field in chicago closed.

@barbarabeeton So you do fly? Or you flew one of the commercial carriers that use the airport? (I also like ferries.)

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@barbarabeeton I've been sailing in those waters. I spent a year at the U of T, and got invited out to the islands for a bit of sailing. It was a very small boat, single person, so we had to take turns using it.

The sailboat was kept at the Royal(!) Canadian Yacht Club, and they were so stuffy, we had to wear a jacket and tie to be admitted. Once inside, though, we stripped those off and acted like normal people.

@AlanMunn -- no, don't fly, but have enjoyed watching airplanes since i was a kid. while i was recuperating from appendicitis at an aunt's house, i watched two of her sons (older than i by nearly 20 years) build an airplane in their "lodge" from wood, linen and dope. i was recovered by the time it was ready to try out, so i never saw it in the air. but was, and am still, fascinated by small planes. (kites too.)

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Wow very fancy. :)

@HaraldHanche-Olsen But why the surprise at the Royal? Norway's a monarchy too right?

Harald Hanche-Olsen

8:10 PM

@AlanMunn Yes, it is, and we even have a royal yacht club as well, whose members are entitled to fly a special version of the split flag, otherwise reserved for the armed forces and government institutions. The exclamation mark wasn't really meant to convey surprise.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Ah, so just a "fancy" exclamation mark. :) The RCYC is definitely known for its stuffiness. (I'm from Toronto.)

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@AlanMunn They haven't changed? I was there in 1980/1981. I stayed at Massey College; also somewhat stuffy. And less than five minutes of walking to the math department.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Well I don't have any real contact with them, but I doubt that much has changed. It appears you no longer require a jacket, but there's still a dress code: rcyc.ca/getmedia/88550c86-cc64-4214-8c8c-36b741c32c52/…

@HaraldHanche-Olsen I had a friend at Massey college around that time too, Bruno Scherzinger (an electrical engineer). It would be funny if you ever met each other.

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@AlanMunn It's possible, though I don't remember any names at all.

@AlanMunn Somewhat relaxed, yes, but not by much. In particular, I noticed this: Hats are not to be worn in either of the clubhouses including Bistro verandah unless the hat is part of a lady's attire.

8:29 PM

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Yeah, that pretty much sums it up, doesn't it. :)

8:40 PM

Does anybody have a spare vote to close as duplicate? tex.stackexchange.com/q/409000/36296 (I cannot vote, as I reopend the question to add an answer, but after the edit of the OP this is basically an exact duplicate)

@samcarter Done!

@CarLaTeX Thanks!

9:05 PM

@egreg @PauloCereda will be pleased that you are using vim in examples.

9:42 PM

@DavidCarlisle I only use vim for cleaning my sink.

Stefan Kottwitz

@AlanMunn Rather than the other way around.

@DavidCarlisle :)

@StefanKottwitz Well I tried to clean vim in my sink, but it took me a long time to get it out.

Stefan Kottwitz

@AlanMunn Just throw a sink at vim.

@StefanKottwitz Or even simpler, just sink vim.

9:54 PM

@egreg I think the \foo should be \vim.

@NieDzejkob May I asked what tool you used to crack egreg's guess [here](https://tex.meta.stackexchange.com/a/7496/34258)? Just out of curiosity. I'm also cracking it for fun but I am very very far from 13 seconds: I'm checking only 5 phone numbers per second (for all dates of this year). Please don't give the answer of course, just the name of the tool (bash script, etc.)

@UlrikeFischer Thanks, fixed

That 900000*12*31 potential combinations, ie about 300 millions, a lot for 13 seconds.

10:14 PM

@anderstood I don't think he will see your message here. @ only works in chat if the person has been in chat recently. It should work though as a comment to @egreg's meta answer.

@AlanMunn Speak for yourself ;)

@JosephWright ?

@AlanMunn I can ping anyone :)

@JosephWright :) ok.

@AlanMunn OK thanks!

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