@DavidCarlisle Well texdoc already finds the template PDF. I can put a relative link to the .tex file although at least for me, that link brings up an message that it doesn't know which application to open the file with (and then for reasons I don't understand the MacOS won't let me choose an appropriate app to open it with).

@DavidCarlisle Since I don't know much about user behaviour, it could be that people browse the samples folder on CTAN anyway, and that's enough.

@AlanMunn yes texdoc finds it if you know to type texdoc MSU-thesis-template I thought you meant you wanted to make that easier to find. making it easier to get to the tex source is perhaps harder depends so much on what editor they want to see the tex source in, probably easiest is ask on site here "how do I write a thesis in MSU format" and answer with a template document:-)

@DavidCarlisle I think perhaps the simplest is to put a link in the documentation PDF to the samples folder on CTAN. That will always work, and it's probably easier for people to use than a local link anyway.

how can I spread the table in full page, so that the free space is used and the text is biger.

@barbarabeeton Peter Wilson in person wrote to prof. van Duck. He liked the article and suggested to write a future one about question/answer formatting and output attaching.

@PauloCereda @UlrikeFischer @samcarter ^^^ Prof. van Duck has a VIP fan!

@CarLaTeX Prof. Van Duck should write back and mention his last project - a video made with him as special consultant ;-).

@UlrikeFischer LOL

No one else can have fun it seems ^^^^

@DavidCarlisle @egreg didn't earn it!

@CarLaTeX oddly Steven has it but it wasn't shown in that view: tex.stackexchange.com/help/badges/573/fun

@CarLaTeX grumpy old men don't get fun badges

@DavidCarlisle but they get the seat on the tram :)

@CarLaTeX Depends on where you are. Unfortunately things are getting worse nowadays.

@TeXnician We were in Padua, things are still good there :)

@CarLaTeX oooh Prof. van Duck and memoir

I like the idea!

@DavidCarlisle LOL

@DavidCarlisle LOL

@PauloCereda He has to learn memoir!

@CarLaTeX Yes, Peter Wilson has to. :D

@PauloCereda LOL

@DavidCarlisle I'll leave latexrelease 'fun' to you ...

@JosephWright LOL

@Skillmon: ^^ as our resident rabbit, I think this might interest you. :)

the hat interest rate level is quite good -- a new hat for existing 11 hats ;-)

@Mico's hat is fantastic. :)

@PauloCereda I for sure can tell that it's world domination. But they don't talk about how to get it, but what to do with it now that we have it...

@Skillmon ooh bunny conspiracy

@PauloCereda never laugh about the killer-bunny!

@PauloCereda I have to leave, I have a presentation in half an hour.

@Skillmon oh no

@Skillmon have a nice day and a good presentation, mr. rabbit! :)

@Skillmon We need a Holy Hand Grenade! … to three shall thou count …

@JosephWright I thought you'd say that:-) Presumably on the grounds that I messed up the docstrip guards in ltoutput :-)

anyone for lunch? We pack up at 12 then office is closed till the new year, sadly neither Hawaiian Pizza nor duck is on the menu:(

@DavidCarlisle YAY

@DavidCarlisle DUCKS ARE SAVED, AND YOU ARE MEAN

@DavidCarlisle and we wub you

@DavidCarlisle :)

@egreg I don't know why ^^^ this reminded me someone

amazon.com/Doctor-Who-inch-Action-Figure/dp/B01J4IFQJS

I WANT THIS SO BAD

Is the footnote in this answer too weak?

Does anybody here like Red Dwarf?

@PauloCereda Yes

@JosephWright ooh

@JosephWright: I blame Andrew Stacey for recommending the series for me.

@JosephWright: I was unaware of seasons 11 and 12!

@PauloCereda Never heard of it.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen oh

@PauloCereda But I have heard of Andrew Stacey! He used to have an office on the floor above mine, before he decided he didn't really like the academic world.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Really? He is a very kind and witty bloke!

@PauloCereda Sure. I expect he makes a great school teacher. I bet his students know every nook and cranny of TikZ.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen :)

@PauloCereda This reminds me how he once wrote a community wiki answer to explain why he had accepted an answer of mine to his question – this was about three or four times the length of my answer. (I am generally not a very verbose guy. Goes with my “viking” genes, perhaps.)

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Oh my!

not clear why I only got the Hannuka hat after Hannuka ended...

@AGoldMan Time zones

@CarLaTeX -- oh, that's very nice! and i think that's a good suggestion. a lot of people should find it useful. (i like @UlrikeFischer's suggestion too.)

@PauloCereda -- indeed, quite fetching.

@CarLaTeX Oh, great news! I am looking forward to read more from the Professor!

@barbarabeeton I wanted to write about TikZ in the next article, but since there is a request from such an important fan, I could postpone the that topic and do a second one about TeX.SE format :)

@samcarter Of course! We have already 2 topics ready :)

@CarLaTeX -- both topics are good ones, i think, so prof. van duck's fan shouldn't be disappointed either way. i look forward to reading them too. (and that's quite a fine hat you have there.)

@samcarter @CarLaTeX @PauloCereda Our christmas card:

@UlrikeFischer <3 <3 <3

@UlrikeFischer That's a great duckmas card!

@barbarabeeton I'll decide which one to deal with first :):):)

@CarLaTeX @egreg needs a tutorial on how to ask a question.

@UlrikeFischer Oh! Fantastic card! It has even Rudolf on it!

@DavidCarlisle And you, too :):):)

@CarLaTeX I have no colour, can't be me

@DavidCarlisle I meant you asked no question, not that you're Rudolf :):):)

@CarLaTeX unlike @egreg I have no need to ask a question

CTAN changed its upload script to be really strict about the content.

@MartinScharrer ?

Didn't accepted my ZIP and TDS.ZIP files after I changed the layout.

@DavidCarlisle Well, strict about the layout of the ZIP file, not the actually content

@MartinScharrer yes the tds can have a different layout but they do insist that same named files are the same

@DavidCarlisle Well the script now checks if the ZIP file contains a subdirectory with the package name. Before I just had all DTX, INS, PDF, README files directly in the root.

Also, the ZIP file should not contain any "empty" directories. However the Linux zip -r includes the directories as extra, separate entries.

And the new script doesn't like this and refused to accept the upload.

@MartinScharrer oh i always have a top level directory in a zip file (as it's always a pain if you unzip a zip file and then have to work out which files just got extracted

Had to find out how to change my Makefile to produce the ZIP in the wanted style.

@DavidCarlisle Yes, under Linux this is a pain, under Windows the tools normally generate a directory named after the ZIP file name, and then you have an extra directory level ....

@MartinScharrer you could use l3build:-)

@samcarter That was the starting point ;-) My husband wanted a rudolf duck.

@DavidCarlisle Oooh now the difference it's clear :):):)

@UlrikeFischer Rudolf and his supporting characters :)

@UlrikeFischer Idea for next year: using tex.stackexchange.com/a/391258/36296 for an animated version of the sleigh

@samcarter Animation is not a problem. I know how to let a witch fly ;-)

@UlrikeFischer I saw the proof :) I wonder how the witch was feeling afterwards ...

Hi,

I try l3build

when I did texlua build.lua save examples/1-criticalnotes.tex

I get usage: build.lua <command> [<options>] [<names>]

that is exaclty what I ddid

I don't understand

@DavidCarlisle :)

@Maïeul save expects a name with no extension and process name.lvt to make name.tlg

@Maïeul That's not a test file name

@Maïeul texlua build.lua save 1-criticalnotes or similar would make sese

@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright I did alos

texlua build.lua save 1-criticalnotes

and I get the same thing

@Maïeul Do you have 1-criticalnotes.lvt in your testfiles directory?

@Maïeul and do you have a 1-criticalniotes.lvt in your testfiles directory ?

@JosephWright oops :-)

non, I thoug save was the way to generate it

@DavidCarlisle :)

@Maïeul Nope

but I should have done a mistunderstood;_)

@Maïeul it generates the .tlg but the source should be .lvt

@Maïeul save creates a .tlg (reference log)

@DavidCarlisle You can change lvtext ;)

what should a lvt?

latex.pastebin.fr/52682 is my build.lua

@Maïeul It's a source file that loads regression-test and has some test(s) set up

@Maïeul a special tex file with test markup usually using regression-test.tex

ok

my problem is that one : I have example files

I would like to make regression test on them

@Maïeul Simplest something like

\documentclass{article}
\input regression-test
\begin{document}
\START
\showoutput
Some stuff
\END

@JosephWright I write this content on examples/test.lvt

but texlua build.lua save test still do nothing

@Maïeul You've got some oddities in your build.lua. Try

#!/usr/bin/env texlua
module="reledmac"
testfiledir=maindir .. "/examples"
kpse.set_program_name("kpsewhich")
dofile(kpse.lookup("l3build.lua"))

build.lua:3: attempt to concatenate global 'maindir' (a nil value)

with this build.lua

@Maïeul Oh, sorry ...

?

#!/usr/bin/env texlua
module="reledmac"
testfiledir= "./examples"
kpse.set_program_name("kpsewhich")
dofile(kpse.lookup("l3build.lua"))

That works

@Maïeul :)

so now, I have a .tlg

@Maïeul I guess I know what is next for my blog ...

@Maïeul Good stuff

If I modifiy my .lvt file

for example with adding some text

the log should be different, and the test should not work?

is'nt it?

@Maïeul yes texlua build.lua check 1-criticalniotes will report a failure in that case

@JosephWright as you just explain l3build. How is a sensible work flow to handle a bug report? Assume that I get an example that doesn't work. Normally I would change the code and then test against the example but to do this in a l3build setup I would have to copy the test file inside the maindir and unpack everything. Or to copy everything in a temp folder and then back when everything is fine. This doesn't sound right ;-)

@DavidCarlisle

I tried for now with the test.lvt provide by @JosephWright

I have add something after stuff

but I told me all is ok

@Maïeul so in that case your saved tlg file should have box output for teh letters Some stuff ?

@Maïeul and if you change that text it won't match

that is the theory, but with my test on my computer

I match

@Maïeul user error:-)

maybe

show your tlg file from the above

ok, that is not a good tlg file

the content is latex.pastebin.fr/52683

and no more ;-)

@Maïeul use \end{document} not \END (in this case)

@DavidCarlisle yes ! it works (and so fail!9

so my next question (if I may)

I have a series of .tex file, which are examples files, that I provide with the package

the .tex file are LaTeX file (so with class, preamble, etc)

I should produce .tlv equivalent

may I did the .tlv file latex.pastebin.fr/52684

@Maïeul blame @JosephWright for misleading you:-) (normally tests are more specific eg \showbox for a specific test box so you do nt need to actually typeset the final document pages (\END just stops like primitive \end) but for \showoutput tests you have to finish the typesetting cleanly so \end{document}

@Maïeul yes

@DavidCarlisle yes, I understand, but for my case, I need to test all the typography of the page (as it is critical edition)

latter, I would do more specific test

@Maïeul sure i was just explaining why @JosephWright's exampel was over simplified

Yep!

thanks a lot David

I saw there is option for engine etc

all my file are xetex/luatex only

and some of these are luatex only

I would look on the handbook for this problem

and I needed coming back to you

@Maïeul the full document \showoutput tests are good for testing whole document interactions (and easy to make from a normal document) but of course they log everything in a very non-specific way so if anything changes you get a failure but the test isn't a lot of help in seeing what changed

@DavidCarlisle yes of course, but for now, what I need is to see there is a failure, I would do step by step

@JosephWright yes, a tutorial would be helpful

@DavidCarlisle what about the number of run? is it automatique?

@Maïeul there have been some changes in the last week to try to make it easier to set this up, it was always possible but a bit harder, check with Joseph (or the public doc) exactly where we are with that version. For the graphics-def tests (which you can see on github) I run with all engines but the tests for specific engine features do \endinput on other engines so the log files in those cases are stable (and empty)

@Maïeul there is an l3build variable to set the number of runs (defaults to 2 I think) I forget what it is called

OK

@DavidCarlisle I would do a tlmgr update --all and check

but tomorrow I think

@DavidCarlisle -- you've got mail.

@barbarabeeton I know:-)

@DavidCarlisle checkruns=1 (by default)

@Maïeul ah it's set to 2 in the config used for all the base 2e tests so i forget the default-default:-)

@DavidCarlisle ok, I have still problem, but it is to late for me

tomorrow will be an other day

github.com/maieul/ledmac/tree/l3build

is my branch to test this feature

I will look on it later

@DavidCarlisle and @JosephWright thank you, and good night