@DavidCarlisle First use for unicode-data outside the kernel has come up :-)

@JosephWright your code, or someone else using it?

@JosephWright thoughts on graphics.cfg (in mail) welcome...

@DavidCarlisle biblatex, so I'll actually be doing the work ...

@DavidCarlisle Just saw that: will read carefully in a bit (off to the tip with a load of stuff in a second)

Ok thanks

@DavidCarlisle I guess we should simply sort colour support in expl3 ...

@JosephWright we should but I'm not sure that would avoid all problems with people installing texlive2016 under existing documents:-)

@DavidCarlisle Erm, probably not (unless we do it then have (x)color.sty simply load expl3)

@egreg Did i mention that i hate templates?

@barbarabeeton I got your mail and I'll respond in reasonable time.

@Johannes_B -- hate to say it, but they're popping up on linkedin as well: linkedin.com/groups/1600297

@yo' -- "reasonable" here has a lot of leeway. thanks.

@barbarabeeton well, there's plenty time I think. But I think I should make quick reply now

@barbarabeeton By the way, has there been any reaction to the tugboat column help required?

@Johannes_B -- sadly, no, not that i've seen. i'll check with karl.

Where's @PauloCereda?

:D

Hi all

@Alenanno Still sleeping? :)

@egreg why?

Ah you mean him

Eheh yes

@egreg more likely at a mass

@yo' Really? ;-)

@Alenanno Quack! <3

@yo' Yep! :)

@egreg ^^ you see? :-)

@yo' or both

Better tags suggestions for tex.stackexchange.com/q/235829/3406 please?

I've currently just got one, which isn't even that suitable.

how long is a question draft saved on tex.sx?

@naphaneal it's saved in your computer

@yo' so as long I don't clear my browser I'm able to edit it?

@naphaneal that's the theory. In reality, it's not an official feature, so don't be angry when the draft disappears

@yo' I thought it was saved server-side. Is that wrong?

@FaheemMitha yes, that's wrong, AFAIK

@yo' Oh. Well, live and learn.

How do I show \\ in comments?

If I surround that with ``, one \ disappears.

@FaheemMitha like this \\

@FaheemMitha easiest is `\\ ` with an extra space after

@DavidCarlisle Ok. Not ideal, but I can live with it.

So, tag suggestions?

@FaheemMitha dont-use-backslash-backslash-at-the-start-of-a-paragraph

:D

@DavidCarlisle Um.

How about an actual pre-existing tag?

backslash paragraph?

@FaheemMitha line-breaking ?

@DavidCarlisle Ok, I'll put that.

@naphaneal Those sound good too.

Shall I remove mercurial?

@FaheemMitha why do you want a \\ there anyway?

@FaheemMitha yes

@DavidCarlisle Well, there's more stuff after it. As I said in my comment.

@FaheemMitha blank line is fine

@DavidCarlisle You mean instead of the \\ ?

@FaheemMitha did you ping me I didn't see a reply, will look

@FaheemMitha yes

@DavidCarlisle I guess I didn't. Sorry.

@DavidCarlisle Ok. Let me try a blank line instead.

can the tag limit be exceeded?

@naphaneal It's automatically enforced, so no, afaik.

@naphaneal If that would be possible, you'll end up writing your question as tags. :)

@PauloCereda aren't the tags shuffled on a random basis?

@yo' I've just tried adding an attempt at an answer; then I went to another machine and the draft showed up.

@naphaneal Not that I know of. :)

@PauloCereda oh well write-the-whole-question-as-a-single-tag-should-avoid-hitting-the-tag-limit

@egreg plot twist: the first machine is very gossipy. :)

@DavidCarlisle ooh :)

@egreg damn, that's strange

@yo' I am quite sure I even tried with different domains, like starting to answer on the train, then resuming at the office machine.

@yo' @egreg @naphaneal they are saved for a week ^^^

@DavidCarlisle thx!

$ ./luatex --version
/usr/local/texlive/2016/bin/x86_64-cygwin/luatex.exe: error while loading shared libraries: cygtexlua52-5.dll: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

@JosephWright ^^^^ :(

@PauloCereda: I published a Hungarian Goulash on purpose ;-)

@ChristianHupfer ooh. :)

@PauloCereda ... and it was neither full of eels nor scratched ;-)

@DavidCarlisle oops

@DavidCarlisle get Linux :)

Apparently Windows is going to be getting its own Linux implementation, or something.

Weird.

> Drafts are stored in redis for 7 days.

What is redis?

> We ship it to the server in the heartbeat (once a minute or so)

heartbeat? Presumably some sync interval.

Not a feature I would rely on, though.

I write complicated questions and answers on my machine. Sometimes I even put them under version control.

@FaheemMitha you presumably don't do that and post quicker than @egreg at same time:-)

@PauloCereda some kind of open source windows clone, I hear?

@PauloCereda correct me if I'm wrong but I think that even on linux an executable can't load a shared library that isn't there.

@DavidCarlisle Nobody can compete with egreg.

@DavidCarlisle True, but you're much less likely to have a shared library not be there.

Some OS's have the notion of package management.

@DavidCarlisle Yep. :) Worse! You might even need the devel version even having the stripped one installed. :)

@FaheemMitha so does cygwin (it has linux's notion) it's not as if I'm using any really native windows code here. But when I build from svn it doesn't make a separate lua library lua is statically linked to luatex as far as I can see, but for some reason in the binaries pulled from the pretest it relies on a library it hasn't built (cygwin has such a library but I don't think luatex is supposed to rely on the system lua). probably that's why it's a pretest release:-)

@PauloCereda see @FaheemMitha's comment above, where is !!/battle these days?

@DavidCarlisle ooh :)

@DavidCarlisle Regardless, Debian is better. For example.

@FaheemMitha It depends what you want to do. Debian is a lot worse at checking things work in IE/Edge, for example.

@DavidCarlisle I don't think you can do that at all. Unless you use VB.

@FaheemMitha exactly. cygwin gives me an almost linux working day (I use X windows as my window system, apart from a few things) but I can get paid to do work that may involve testing IE or .NET or whatever.

@DavidCarlisle A Win VB image is probably a working alternative. The mirror image, as it were.

@FaheemMitha yes, these days that would probably work as well, but I've been working on a cygwin based system for so long 15 years? and back then virtual machines hadn't really got the power. But anyway we need cygwin to build our windows products anyway, how else are you going to use make and svn and bash and whatever else that powers the build scripts:-)

@DavidCarlisle Wait a few years, and MS will probably build their own versions of make and bash. Assuming they haven't already. Apparently they've either decided Linux isn't a virus, or they've decided viruses aren't so bad. And svn is available on Windows, I think.

@FaheemMitha infoworld.com/article/3053557/linux/…

I haven't seen ^^ that running yet, just heard about it last week

@DavidCarlisle Yes, that kind of thing.

> The good news is the vast majority of Linux binaries, as long as they're compiled for Ubuntu Linux, can run as-is

@PauloCereda nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I just read more of the above link, guess which editor they are inflicting on windows users:(

@DavidCarlisle ^^ Ubuntu? Good news. :)

/endsarcasm

@DavidCarlisle oooooooh

@DavidCarlisle: now you won't get that lovely command not found anymore. :)

@DavidCarlisle: you got mail. :)

@DavidCarlisle in the middle of evil there is vi - \m/

New England cricket team ^^^^

@DavidCarlisle LOL

@PauloCereda How's the draft going? :)

@yo' I have an examination this Friday. Then, the thesis writing phase will begin. I am very nervous!

@PauloCereda oh, well, crossing fingers then. I'm actually having an interview on Friday, but it'll be just about 10 minutes or so.

@yo' ooh good luck too, Tom!

@PauloCereda best wishes for that, just answer every question with a "quack", and nothing can go wrong.

@DavidCarlisle Thanks! <3

@PauloCereda is vim a reasonable editor?

@DavidCarlisle seeing this picture with your head tilted makes the duck nod to the question :D

@DavidCarlisle In some cultures, shaking the head like this duck means yes. :)

@PauloCereda but not in Brazil

:D

@PauloCereda anyway the gif was called "duck-says-no" before it was uploaded:-) Others you could use: animationlibrary.com/sc/141/Ducks_and_Geese/?page=2

damn numbers =1 mod 4

@PauloCereda You've been watching Carry on up the Khyber!

@JosephWright ooh :)

@DavidCarlisle Is that a Little Britain reference? The computer lady? Carol Beer?

@egreg: latin.stackexchange.com :)

@PauloCereda They made it!

@egreg I am in! :)

@PauloCereda I got my 101 rep too!

@egreg yay! Where's @David to join the fun too? :)