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21:04
@JosephWright Pounds and ounces always drive me crazy when I look for recipes online. Good that at least google has the converter. However, even worse are "cups" and "teaspoons" etc. -- I've got five sizes of cups and 3 sizes of teaspoons!
@yo' Spoons are entirely sensible :-)
@yo' What do you use for preference to measure e.g. spices then?
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@JosephWright for spices it's fine, but I'm sure I saw once something like "5 tablespoon Dutch cocoa"
@yo' The thing about imperial units is they are 'just right' for recipes. For example, for a sponge I need 8/8/8/4 butter/sugar/flour/eggs, all nice small integers
@yo' Hmm, that does seem rather a lot
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@JosephWright yep. I just think someone takes spoons as units, which is in some sense wrong
@yo' Normally beyond 1 tablespoon I'd expect either a weight or a volume
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21:09
@JosephWright but even with tablespoons, can I assume that the tolerance is high (since the unit is so badly defined)?
@yo' Probably: for a start, try finding a real tablespoon
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@JosephWright now I lost you (that's not so difficult, I've been busy for 16 hours straight).
@yo' In a domestic context people tend to have teaspoons and dessert spoons. A tablespoon is for serving food so is too big to be used for eating, so it's not that common to actually have one.
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@JosephWright you mean that tablespoon is not the same thing as soup spoon?
@yo' Quite
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21:13
@JosephWright I give up.
@yo' A soup spoon is not the same as a desert spoon, either :-)
@yo' Wikipedia seems to cover this, for example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dessert_spoon
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@JosephWright well, that's clear. I actually have (besides wooden spoons) 3 quite different spoon, which in the Czech language are soup spoon, tea spoon and coffee spoon
@yo' Yes, we have those versions too, though coffee spoons are rare in the UK
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@JosephWright they are rare here as well, I've got them in place of the ridiculous plastic stirring thingies
to me it appears that your table spoon is really our soup spoon. Well, our soups are liquids with a lot of stuff inside rather than cream soups (which are more silimar to our sauces), so you need a larger spoon :-)
@yo' -- sorry to disappoint you, but "tablespoon" is not badly defined. you just need to find the right set of u.s. measuring spoons (which, i admit, is probably not at all easy where you are). and in u.s. measure, 4 Tbsp (really need cap T here!) = 1/4 cup.
21:20
@barbarabeeton Depends. That is an official position but if you are using normal not measuring spoons they might not come out 'to spec'.
@barbarabeeton Certainly the teaspoons we have at home vary a lot in capacity
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@barbarabeeton yes, this starts to be ridiculous IMHO; I've seen this "set of measuring spoons" and I came to conclusion that the surface tension makes them imprecise beyond usefulness.
@barbarabeeton Why do you say you need the capital T? I'd just use tbsp and tsp.
@yo' Surface tension for baking powder?
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@JosephWright for "2 Tbsp honey" ?
@JosephWright -- what's really funny about coffee spoons is that there's one restaurant here where they keep serving one with a cup of greek coffee (where "greek coffee" is pretty much the same as turkish coffee, i.e., with a lot of sludge in the bottom).
@JosephWright -- but this is a case where i wouldn't even try to use anything but a real measuring spoon.
@barbarabeeton I've come across Greek coffee before, with a Greek colleague who when pushed did admit it was basically the same as Turkish :-)
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21:23
baking powder is measured in "1 dose" or "1/2 dose" here :-) If you need 1/2, you simply split the powder in halves before opening the sack.
@yo' I've seen those: really odd and inefficient (lots of packets rather than a jar). Then again, I'm regarded as a bit odd in the UK as I don't like self-raising flour (pre-mixed flour and baking powder).
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@JosephWright well, we traditionally pack the baking powder by 12 grams. I personally use the scale to make halves :-)
To me, 6 g baking powder is much better than 1 tsp baking powder (or whatever it is)
@yo' -- here, baking powder comes in cans of varying sizes. i think 8 oz is the usual "home size". (it's been a long time since i baked something that called for it.) 8 oz = 1 cup, dry measure.
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@JosephWright self-raising flour is only a half step to self-raising chicken.
@barbarabeeton haven't you just compared a volume and a weigh unit?
@JosephWright -- but you have to admit, it's not something you'd want to stir.
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21:27
Or you try to convince me that all powders have the same density? :-o
@yo' Ounce can be both.
@yo' -- seems so, but really, that's the way things are measured in this country.
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@TorbjørnT. I know. And third, it's a source of headaches :-)
@barbarabeeton that's weird (no offense intended)
@barbarabeeton Indeed
@yo' -- no. very important that you find out before measuring whether the flour is to be sifted first, or just dumped in out of the package.
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21:29
@barbarabeeton so you care about "airy" or "dense" flour, but then you measure it in cups? wow
@yo' -- if you grow up with it, you're confused by any other system. i had to learn how to cook "by weight". that's even more unaccustomed than converting between kilos and pounds.
@yo' -- yup. but as i said, if you learn it with your mother watching over your shoulder, it becomes second nature, and learning a different system takes careful attention.
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@barbarabeeton yeah I understand. Well, we've got three types of recipes: (1) the ones where it quite doesn't matter, (2) the ones where things are measured by weight, (3) the ones where things so much depend on the qualities of the ingredients that you can't really write down precise values.
gotta run -- husband and car waiting outside.
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@barbarabeeton ok, bye :-)
@yo' -- the last instance is exemplified by what i've heard as the "gullup" school of cooking -- that's the sound that the "correct" (desired) amount of molasses makes being poured out of the bottle. later, all ...
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