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@Johannes_B The differences aren't too surprising; all three engines themselves are different. However, there could be areas to be fixed up — I've made a note of it it (github.com/wspr/unicode-math/issues/290)
@WillRobertson Nice, thanks, i don't have enough experience here to judge myself.
@Manuel I haven't looked in a long time. Last I checked, ConTeXt didn't try to do anything fancy and provided a sensible interface to the various unicode maths alphabets. But ConTeXt never had the \mathit/\textit confusion as far as I know :)
@will The line thickness in the fractions was also quite different.
@barbarabeeton Actually examples such as \newcommand{\mbZ}{\mathbf{Z}} would be fine! The idea would be to have \mathbf interrogate its own argument, so it's fine to have it nested inside another macro. Things that would be harder would be \mathbf{\dot x}—I'm sure we'd see that sort of thing in the wild too! So my hypothetical code would have to deduce that this should still be a "symbol".
@DavidCarlisle On the contrary :)
 
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02:08
Are there macros that return things like font size or line height as a TeX distance?
@algorithmshark yes
Like \textwidth.
\fontdimen might be helpful (might)
unsure what you mean by line height
there are a few different ways of measuring that
Oh, great. Is there a handy list somewhere of all such things?
yes, actually :)
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A: Lengths and when to use them

egregThe first thing is to know that there are spacing parameters and spacing commands; \parskip and \parindent belong to the former category, \enskip, \quad and \smallskip to the latter. A complete list of the spacing parameters would be quite long, so let's concentrate on spacing commands. Vertica...

02:11
Thanks.
Yep :) and for fontdimen:
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A: What do different \fontdimen<num> mean

David Carlisle For text fonts there are 7 parameters 1 slant per pt (used for italic correction) 2 interword space (standard width of the space ) 3 interword stretch (amount the space can stretch) 4 interword shrink (amount the space can shrink) 5 x-height (the value for the ex unit) 6 quad-width (The...

"A complete list of the spacing parameters would be quite long, so let's concentrate on spacing commands."
But such a list is what I'm looking for!
@algorithmshark take a look at §8 of texbytopic
and for your purposes, §15
Aha, \baselineskip.
Perfect, thanks.
you're welcome :)
 
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07:10
@ArthurReutenauer: I'm not sure I'm on the tug2015 attendees list… oops?
07:28
We had a question once with user defined commands, \hmwkClass and such. The question was closed as unclear after a few months, due nobody knew where those commands are coming from and the OP didn't give any useful clue. Found them: latextemplates.com/template/…
@Johannes_B, for instance in researchgate.net, LinkedIn.com or other social media you can connect with a mentor who will teach you one or few things when you have some challenges by sending message and or question to their box directly. Do we have such here (stach exchange / TeX)? — Gideon Ebelebe 2 mins ago
@Johannes_B not surprising you found them, you are the king of all things template:-)
@Johannes_B there's an answer on meta that confirms there is no direct message system
@DavidCarlisle All hail the template king? Worst monty python sketch ever.
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Q: How to contact another member of Stack Exchange?

user19502Is there any private message system? I found an answer that I do not agree with, but some stupid moderator closed it, making it true by definition, so no one can argue with it. I want to contact an author of that question. How?

@WillRobertson Only one way to know it: tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tug2015-attendees :-) (and ask for a password reminder).
 
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09:17
@DavidCarlisle. @WillRobertson Almost got a new l3luatex ready :-)
@JosephWright yeh.. (did you see the l3keys message on texlive list)
09:33
@DavidCarlisle Yes, will look into in
@JosephWright team list still quieter than I hoped:( maybe if you post a new ltluatex it'll liven up...
10:11
@DavidCarlisle You never know
@DavidCarlisle Lack of replies to the team meeting mail :-(
@JosephWright yes same thing, probably,
@JosephWright although I suppose I could reply to that one:-)
10:52
@DavidCarlisle Plan looks good
Does anyone know how to get the "play" button in Beamer? I added "controls" but the play button is not there. >_>
@JosephWright I guess we need a room
@DavidCarlisle Might be useful, I agree: we should ask I guess
> If you enter equations in simple LaTeX, check that they will convert accurately (Word 2007 and higher can convert simple LaTeX equations).
:-(
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@JosephWright :-( You should change your science
oh no! it's an inter-science journal! :-(
@yo' We tried for Science but didn't get in
@yo' My co-authors are currently revising the draft and I was asked to check on formatting, etc.
@yo' This instruction doesn't really bother us as we have no maths equations, only proper chemistry ones :-)
11:03
@JosephWright Word 2007 and higher can convert simple LaTeX equations [into something hideous]. :)
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@PauloCereda :-)
@PauloCereda actually that's not really fair, the word math typesetting isn't bad, but the linear input format isn't latex it just allows some \ in some places so if you drop latex into it you will get something horrible... (Murray had some plans to have a latex input filter but I don't think it ever got added)
@DavidCarlisle Except they don't take the new equations stuff, only the 'classical' MathType based one :-)
@DavidCarlisle I was kidding. :) I thought it was just some token matching and that's about it, not a proper LaTeX input. :)
@PauloCereda the only "latex" commands that will work are \sin and friends, so as long as you stick to \sin\pi=0 you are fine:-)
@JosephWright ah,
11:18
Any of you guys uses Adobe Reader for Latex?
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@JosephWright wow you aim high!
@Alenanno sometimes, but only on linux. Why?
@Alenanno Sometimes
@yo' I want to replace Skim with Adobe Reader so that when I compile a Beamer document, I don't have to manually open it with Adobe Reader. :P
But I can't find the "path" option.
@yo' Following up another paper in the same journal
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@JosephWright wow
11:20
@yo' To be clear, we were following up someone else's paper in the same journal
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@JosephWright ah ok :D
I gotta go, I'm not sure I'll be back today. So see you some time.
@yo' ominous echoes of Captain Oates....
@egreg: I heard Juve wants Oscar to replace Tevez. :)
@PauloCereda There are so many voices… And penalties :P
@egreg Oh no! :)
@egreg: if Oscar makes into Juve, please do not let him shoot penalties. :)
11:29
@PauloCereda Should any Brazilian shoot them?
@egreg Romário, 21 years ago. :)
@PauloCereda Next time a match of Brazil goes to the shoot out, the referee will decree end of game immediately. ;-)
@egreg ooh that will save a lot of time. :)
@PauloCereda The outcome is out of question. :)
@egreg Goaaaaal! :)
@egreg: speaking of which, we won one of the derbies yesterday. Palmeiras 4:0 São Paulo. :)
11:37
@PauloCereda :)
11:47
@JosephWright I replied! Perhaps not very helpfully :)
12:12
I cannot be the only one thinking that the friggeri-cv template looks just awful.
@WillRobertson Looks fine to me
@WillRobertson, @DavidCarlisle As suggested, I might drop a line to the TUG2015 organisers about a room, but I think first I'll see if Frank has anything to add at this stage
@JosephWright :) I was referring to my first reply. Anyway, would love to stay and chat, but bed calls…busy week! night
@WillRobertson Ah yes: night
@JosephWright will there be secret snacks?
@PauloCereda Perhaps :-)
12:23
@JosephWright oooh
I thought they were the same?
\documentclass[border=5pt]{standalone}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\usepackage{mathtools}
\usepackage{xcolor}
\usepackage{unicode-math}
\setmathfont{Cambria Math}
\setmainfont{Cambria Math}
\begin{document}
$\mathclap{A'} \color{red!50}\mathclap{A\prime}$
\end{document}
12:42
@Johannes_B ^\prime
@Johannes_B no (not same in classic tex either)
@egreg Sure, in my insanity i tried ^' Thanks.
13:24
@Canageek Looks like support for achemso is going to get formalised :-)
14:11
@JosephWright @WillRobertson @DavidCarlisle While we’re at it, I’d like to have an informal discussion / BOFH session about language support at TUG’15 - obviously in my capacity as Polyglossia and XeTeX maintainer, but also more generally. There are a few issues where I suspect I will need support in the LaTeX core, and I’d like to hear the LaTeX team’s opinion.
I suspect @egreg will be interested as well :-)
@ArthurReutenauer Indeed
@ArthurReutenauer Of course!
@ArthurReutenauer Perhaps we can tap you up to work on a LaTeX3 solution :-)
@JosephWright Polyglossia is already using (a very small amount of) LaTeX 3 syntax, because of fontspec :-)
@ArthurReutenauer That's not quite the same thing
14:14
@JosephWright I guess not, happy to hear your suggestions in any case.
14:29
@ArthurReutenauer sure that'll come up!
@DavidCarlisle For a start, we have my adventures in Unicode-land
@JosephWright Yes, that’s a good starting point indeed. I may also ask the organisers for a timeslot (have got accommodation almost sorted now).
15:08
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Q: Reaktionsgleichung für Seifenherstellung mit chemfig: horizontales und vertikales verschieben

SolarflaresIch möchte die Bildung eines Fettmoleküls mit chemfig darstellen, wie z.B. in folgendem Bild. Ich habe es mit das Verschieben hspace/vspace und yshift probiert: \documentclass{standalone} \usepackage{chemfig} \begin{document} \schemestart \chemfig{C(-[2,0.7])(-[4,0.7])(-[0]\lewis{57,O}(...

Hallo, buongiorno, I don't sprache German, gracias. :)
@PauloCereda Спасибо
I'm so very tempted to add the following comment: Wilkommen auf TeX.sx! Ich kann mit einem Eierlöffel Fledermäuse töten.
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@egreg Uh-oh, how do I type that? :)
@PauloCereda Ihr Hovercraft ist voller Aale
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@egreg oooh one for @ChristianHupfer. :)
@PauloCereda Quack Quack
That was my first official Quack in here @PauloCereda
@egreg Luftkissenboot is the correct German translation for Hovercraft :-P
@PauloCereda Sounds like a line about Chuck Norris :D
15:16
@ChristianHupfer Like @DavidCarlisle, in Google I trust.
@egreg wise comment
@egreg Goggle can be wrong anyway :D
@ChristianHupfer Quack! :)
@ChristianHupfer Blame John Cleese. :)
@ChristianHupfer That's heresy!
Geschwindigkeitsbegrenzung
15:17
@egreg I don't expect the Google Inquisition .... looking around -- I will be tortured/forced to use Google drive :D
@ChristianHupfer Worse: you'll be sentenced to using Bing two hours a day for two months.
@egreg LOL
@egreg Wtf is Bing?
@ChristianHupfer google replacement for the faithful
15:21
@SeanAllred LOLOLOL
@PauloCereda <3
@SeanAllred <3
@SeanAllred and @PauloCereda: Naughty boys, naughty boys... Don't mention the war!
@ChristianHupfer Do the funny walk. :)
Speaking of funny words, where did I park my wagenbobl? :)
@StevenB.Segletes: Your German is good ;-) — Christian Hupfer 16 mins ago
@ChristianHupfer: ^^ trolling a German? Sounds dangerous. :P
@PauloCereda Steven is German?
15:27
@ChristianHupfer Oh my, I thought it was Johannes. My bad. :)
@PauloCereda Thou villain :-P
I am off for some minutes. Till later
@barznjy 'ello! :)
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Q: Printing xTable in margin with page breaks

LanneRI recently posted about trying to print enumerated text in margin that was justified and would page-break (http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/252066/justification-both-right-and-left-and-page-break-for-margin-enumeration). I have posted on other sites as well, and it did not seem doable for ...

@DavidCarlisle ^^^^^^^
15:49
@JosephWright: I think we could have a comment cleanup: :) tex.stackexchange.com/questions/252811/…
16:08
@Johannes_B ah close as off topic here then?
@DavidCarlisle Maybe.
@egreg having fun expanding \Huge in math mode by hand....
17:03
@DavidCarlisle I didn't arrive at expanding \Huge, the error was apparent before that. :)
@ChristianHupfer I'm really sorry, but that redefinition of \title is not recommendable. Of course, it's easy for a single article with no particular requirements. But if a package wants to use \@title for setting metacomments…
@egreg That are just eventualities. In the orig posting, there wasn't even a \maketitle ;-)
@egreg: I've asked to unaccept my solution. I've enough of this
17:44
Hi does anyone have any experience writing Google Apps scripts?
@AlanMunn Yes and no, maybe, I guess. :)
I wrote an app once. It's been a while since then. :)
@PauloCereda I'm getting very frustrated with the ironic ungooglability of reference info.
@PauloCereda I thought it uses JavaScript + various APIs to the different documents.
@PauloCereda But when I try to do something in (what I think is) good JavaScript it fails.
@AlanMunn Oh I'll poke you in Skype, hold on. :)
@egreg @ChristianHupfer I bet the OP doesn't even want to typeset anything else than a quote (title) and a name (author).
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Good evening :)
18:03
@yo' Hello
@yo' Quack! <3
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18:27
@PauloCereda :)
@Johannes_B :)
@yo' To be honest, i am just dog-sitting. A meow would probably lead to a loud wuff :-)
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@Johannes_B LOL
@JosephWright have you got my mail to the tug15-attendees list?
@yo' Yes, and @ArthurReutenauer's
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@JosephWright ok, thanks
18:48
Hello :-)
@NicolaTalbot Quaaaaack!
@NicolaTalbot ooh :)
@PauloCereda I never realised that the sound of duck's quacking was a saleable product! I didn't realise it was a shop when I saw it!
@PauloCereda Found another one allaboutbirds.org/guide/Mallard/sounds
@NicolaTalbot There goes my credit card savings on this playlist. :)
@Nicola: in other news, I added another comment to our git log adventures. :P
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19:01
@NicolaTalbot oh hello!
@PauloCereda I just saw that :-) I think the only problem is with MiKTeX users.
@yo' Hello! How's things?
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@NicolaTalbot I'm doing pretty well, and you?
@NicolaTalbot Totally agree! I really don't know what to do in order to ship arara in their distribution.
@yo' All right, thank you. I've been off the computer for a few months working on my new novel. (I can't write fiction on the computer, except as minor edits.) It took me a while to type it up when I'd finished. It's current around 111,000 words!
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@NicolaTalbot oh! :-)
19:05
@yo' It may end up larger than the first one, depending on how the editing goes. :-)
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@NicolaTalbot aha! Well, I have to confess I haven't quite opened it yet. I've got a lot of things to read now, and I'm not really a bookworm...
@yo' That's okay. You can admire the beautiful typesetting and cover artwork :-)
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@NicolaTalbot yes, and, well, I've gone through the dictionary as well :-D
@PauloCereda From time to time there are questions like tex.stackexchange.com/questions/163474/…
@yo' :-)
19:44
@Johannes_B I don't care any longer about that
@ChristianHupfer I hope you didn't get offended.
@NicolaTalbot Indeed.
20:43
@JosephWright, @ArthurReutenauer and today's undocumented thing that luatex can do but xetex can not:
\mathchardef\footins=1000


qqq\footnote{1}{zzz}

\bye
I suppose I should ask on luatex list if luatex is supposed to be able to do that and it can be relied on...
Ah @JosephWright seems to know this already
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A: Can the extended register pool be used for \newinsert?

Joseph WrightThe answer is a qualified 'no', not because of macro limitations (which could be addressed) but because even with newer engines the maximum \insert number remains at 255, at least for pdfTeX and XeTeX. Thus if you try \insert256{} with one of these engines you will get the error ! Bad registe...

@ChristianHupfer Wana have a laugh? Gardoffeln youtube.com/watch?v=B0JrA1KkwYk
@DavidCarlisle :-)
@DavidCarlisle I think I asked about this and never heard back
@JosephWright I just asked now...
21:09
@DavidCarlisle Indeed
@DavidCarlisle Doesn't really help, though, does it? Only applies to LuaTeX so still need an e-TeX solution, and for LuaTeX you can just skip the entire standard pool (as the luatex package does)
@JosephWright I know, but the luatex manual should be fixed anyway, but if that's the case i think I definitely prefer the method of making \newinsert use the same pool as \extrafloats as then you just need to check its less than 256 for etex, and on luatex it allows any number of inserts, kind of odd to move normal boxes up to 256 and then restrict \insert to below that if it can use the full range anyway (especially if xetex does the same)
@DavidCarlisle Yes, sure
 
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23:00
@egreg Seems your answers are quite good ;-) latex-community.org/forum/…
@Johannes_B Did you have any doubt?
@egreg Never :-)
@Johannes_B Good boy!
@egreg Said that to the dog taday :-p
@PauloCereda Is that a special/crazy one, or are all like that?
@Johannes_B They are all like that. :)
@PauloCereda Just like my Whiskey. Jumps into the water without any doubt. But now, he is sleeping and snoring :-)
@Johannes_B awwww
@PauloCereda I know the dog for five years, and still i look at him and think: yes, i love you too
23:27
@Johannes_B :)
English people around?
@JosephWright NICE!

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