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7:58 AM

Good maen

This looks off-topic for me

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Q: Can't insert content to revision history table

I'm using asciidoc to generate both HTML and pdf (using DBLATEX) for one of my documents. When the PDF is issued, the second page comes with a revision history table, which is always empty. I tried inserting some content into this table without any luck. Tried: RevisionInfo ::= (RevisionNum...

Arthur Reutenauer

9:31 AM

@ChristianHupfer There may be a vague connection through dblatex, which I’m not familiar with. But right now I can’t venture a guess as to what the user is actually doing. My crystal ball is not functional at the moment, I was celebrating my birthday yesterday so I ate too much cake, drank too much beer, and had too little sleep.

Christian Hupfer

@ArthurReutenauer Always those excuses ;-)

@ArthurReutenauer: And happy birthday to you, of course!

@everybody: For he's a jolly good fellow ... @ArthurReutenauer

David Carlisle

9:52 AM

@ArthurReutenauer this one of yours? :-) (will it have a happy ending this time do you think?...) myvue.com/latest-movies/info/cinema/Bicester/film/…

Arthur Reutenauer

@DavidCarlisle Yep, that’s ours. See roh.org.uk/cinemas

@DavidCarlisle I fixed encoding bugs in the cinema pages last autumn. The data had been corrupted in various ways, which made many cinemas’ names abroad look silly.

@DavidCarlisle Dunno about the happy ending, I went to see La Bohème for the third time yesterday evening and Mimì is still dying :-(

(But she comes back for the curtain call.)

@ChristianHupfer Thank you! I’ll have a look at the post tonight to see if it makes more sense ;-)

David Carlisle

10:23 AM

@ArthurReutenauer we might go, easier to get to Bicester than London, not tried one of those live screenings before.

Arthur Reutenauer

@DavidCarlisle Tell me how you liked it if you do :-)

@DavidCarlisle According to my parents they asked you for money during the intervals ;-)

David Carlisle

@ArthurReutenauer in exchange for ice cream?

Arthur Reutenauer

10:41 AM

@DavidCarlisle No, in exchange for warm and fuzzy feelings. Apparently there are short clips during (part of the) intervals where different people talk about the opera and the Royal Opera House, and that includes fundraising appeals.

On the topic of off-topic, this question stackoverflow.com/questions/30614935/burrows-wheeler-transform is a piece of work.

Summary: I’ve noticed that the core of the Burrows-Wheeler transform [a compression technique] is an operation called the cyclic shift. Since the surname of David Wheeler, one of the two authors, comes from the profession of making wheels, do you think this could have influenced his thoughts?

Okaaay ...

Faheem Mitha

1:19 PM

@ArthurReutenauer The SO people, showing amazing and uncharacteristic restraint, didn't downvote this brain-damaged question. I'm tempted to.

Arthur Reutenauer

@FaheemMitha I can’t blame you, but I wouldn’t want the question to be deleted by its author! It’s perfect for a moment of light fun in the middle of tedious technical tasks (which were the reason I came to Stack Overflow in the first place).

Faheem Mitha

1:35 PM

@ArthurReutenauer To be clear, I didn't actually downvote - I rarely downvote - only if an answer is dangerously wrong, like brain-damaged wrong, or spam. I just thought about downvoting...

To be fair to the author, he might be perfectly aware of how inane his question is. Perhaps he's just having a little fun.

Arthur Reutenauer

@FaheemMitha Oh right. I almost never downvote either, not even homework questions. I may even try to answer anyway. I got my only gold badge on Stack Overflow from replying to a question that had been severely downvoted, because my answer got upvoted. That gets your the Reversal badge. Sadly, the author deleted his question several years later (but I kept my badge! ;-))

Faheem Mitha

@ArthurReutenauer In some circles, refusal to downvote is considered an indication of lack of moral fibre.

Actually, I've heard the word "anti-social" used.

Arthur Reutenauer

@FaheemMitha Haha! I now understand better TeX.SX’ policy of not downvoting a question below -1.

Faheem Mitha

@ArthurReutenauer how so?

Arthur Reutenauer

@FaheemMitha Well, ideally downvotes would be understood objectively, as “this number of people thought you were wrong / irrelevant, etc.”. But it’s not. It’s always taken a little bit personally, and, when newcomers are the target, increases the risk that they run away.

Faheem Mitha

1:52 PM

@ArthurReutenauer Indeed it does. I recall a question/answer on meta.sx that was a sort of position statement on the subject. By Andrew Stacey, if I remember rightly. Essentially saying, we think downvotes are unfriendly, so we are not going to do it. Despite this heretic view, tex.sx is still here, and seems to be doing ok.

I suppose even Andrew would make an exception for spam, I suppose.

Arthur Reutenauer

@FaheemMitha (Sorry, wasn’t done) Hence, as the risk of souding a little cheesy, I think it’s good to not insist on throwing too many downvotes at bad questions. By contrast, insisting on always downvoting would have the effect of making the community close up on itself, it seems to me - only the contributors who already fit the model would be able to integrate.

@FaheemMitha Therefore, if there are people who see correct Stack Exchange practice as always downvoting no matter what, I think it’s a good thing to try and counterbalance that on TeX.SX

@FaheemMitha I think that by many aspects TeX.SX is an unidentified Stack Exchange object :-)

Faheem Mitha

@ArthurReutenauer Indeed, which might be a good thing. And we are all little green men. :-)

Arthur Reutenauer

I just came across meta.stackexchange.com/questions/257614/… and it’s a little perplexing to read that Spolsky & co. equated health with size. That’s literally their words: health and size

Faheem Mitha

@ArthurReutenauer And yes, I agree with that. But that's implied by what I already said.

@ArthurReutenauer They're probably thinking of their advertising revenue.

I'm tempted to say something snide about Americans and big things, but I got into trouble with that once here already the other day.

Arthur Reutenauer

@FaheemMitha Well, that’s fair enough, indeed. But they also realise that in order to attract quality contributors, they must think about ... well, quality.

Faheem Mitha

1:58 PM

I wonder where that answer by Andrew is.

@ArthurReutenauer True.

Dinner time. Later, people.

Arthur Reutenauer

@FaheemMitha See you.

Paulo Cereda

2:50 PM

Quack from SP. :)

Paul Gessler

@PauloCereda quack back from MKE. :)

egreg

3:15 PM

@DavidCarlisle Another hidden feature in longtable?

David Carlisle

3:31 PM

@egreg originally it required the table counter to get the unique identifier for saving the widths, then sometime before version 2 I think I noticed that failed if you reset the table count at chapters, so I added an internal counter, but the caption stuff was by then based on not incrementing the counter so I left it... it's fixed in v5...

egreg

@DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle Which is not in TL 2015, though.

David Carlisle

:21989291 % \changes{v3.02}{1992/04/09}
%    {(Michel Goossens) Longtable fails if the table counter is reset
%     during a document. Now use an internal counter, but still
%     increment table so \cs{caption} and \cs{label} work out right.}

@egreg with good reason:-)

so it was after version 2, but still before latex2e:-)

Christian Hupfer

Messy file raised to the power of 10 ;-)

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Q: Here is a short bit of Latex code that keeps crashing. Why?

\documentclass[12pt]{leter} \usepackage[paperwidth=2.25in, paperheight=4in, margin=1mm, textwidth=1.85in]{geometry} % Define paper stock size here \special{papersize=2in,3.75in} \usepackage{etoolbox} \pagenumbering{gobble} \usepackage{tabularx} \usepackage{graphicx} \usepackage[code=Code39,X=.27...

texlive etoolbox

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer I gave up at ! Package makebarcode Error: Character(s) n' not allowed in Code39..`

egreg

@ChristianHupfer You have not fixed the spurious spaces.

Christian Hupfer

3:36 PM

@egreg: That was not my job :-P

@DavidCarlisle: Strangely enough, \barcode can not digest the number 'number' ;-)

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer as I say, I gave up:-)

Christian Hupfer

There are spurious spaces -- I leave them to the OP as an exercise ;-) — Christian Hupfer 14 secs ago

@DavidCarlisle You gave up because you couldn't provide one of your famous one-line solutions ;-) Well, I don't claim that I've provided a solution at all

1010011010

4:15 PM

@ChristianHupfer I'm REALLY enjoying the backslashes.

1010011010

4:29 PM

What's the difference between onelevel@sanitize and detokenize ? I'm trying to split up a macro into seperate tokens to check whether a single letter was inside the macro definition.. e.g. check if the letter "t" is inside \x... when \def\x{torrential rain} or something (in which case it would evaluate to true)

I'm sure this was asked on the site somewhere before....

Arthur Reutenauer

4:53 PM

@PauloCereda It just struck me that your choosing to become a duck probably had a link to the name of the place where you live :-)

David Carlisle

@1010011010 onelevelsanitize is macro written in classic tex, detokenize is an etex primitive

1010011010

@DavidCarlisle So you suggest the use of neither?:-)

Paulo Cereda

@ArthurReutenauer ooh is there a connection? :)

Arthur Reutenauer

@Paulo Wow aren’t you aware of it?

Paulo Cereda

@ArthurReutenauer no. :)

Arthur Reutenauer

5:10 PM

@PauloCereda pt.wiktionary.org/wiki/anas

Interpreted as a mix of Latin and English, Analândia literaly means ”Duckland”.

Paulo Cereda

@ArthurReutenauer ooooooooh

<3

Arthur Reutenauer

I think I’ve made @PauloCereda the happiest guy in all of the Americas right now ;-) Or, should I say, the happiest duck.

Paulo Cereda

@ArthurReutenauer quaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

Arthur Reutenauer

@PauloCereda Quack

David Carlisle

5:31 PM

@1010011010 I was driving home:-) probably use \detokenize but if you are adapting existing code using \onelevel@sanitize don't bother changing it

Sean Allred

7:47 PM

I've been wondering... keeping in mind this room's description, what's going to happen when \end{chat} is finally issued?

yo'

@SeanAllred \let\endchat\endworld

Sean Allred

@yo' :[

David Carlisle

@SeanAllred let's find out

$ latex '\end{chat}'
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.16 (TeX Live 2015) (preloaded format=latex)
 restricted \write18 enabled.
entering extended mode
LaTeX2e <2015/01/01>
Babel <3.9l> and hyphenation patterns for 79 languages loaded.

! LaTeX Error: \begin{document} ended by \end{chat}.

See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation.
Type  H <return>  for immediate help.
 ...

<*> \end{chat}

?

Sean Allred

@DavidCarlisle NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

@DavidCarlisle without an MWE I can't be sure, but I think you forgot \begin{chat} ;)

David Carlisle

@SeanAllred that's at the top of the page, over on the right....

Sean Allred

7:56 PM

@DavidCarlisle well obviously you're working across two different documents here

David Carlisle

@SeanAllred I never did understand latex

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Sean Allred

@DavidCarlisle it's a strange beast

Paulo Cereda

8:07 PM

@DavidCarlisle One for my manual.

egreg

@PauloCereda What time is the bus?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg 23:30h, if I manage to get it in time. :)

Not sure if I can make it, tomorrow is a holiday, the bus station might be more crowded than usual. :(

egreg

@PauloCereda Your time?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Yep. :) GMT + 3, I guess. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Quite late!

yo'

8:19 PM

good evening, everybody, and good night :-)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg It is, I will arrive home at 3:30h, quite early for the Corpus Christi mass. :)

@yo' Night Tom! <3

yo'

@PauloCereda thanks and good night!

egreg

@PauloCereda No holiday tomorrow for us. The feast (with procession) will be on Sunday.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Oh ours will be tomorrow. :) I will take photos of people making drawings in the street. :)

1010011010

8:51 PM

What solutions exist to keep the numbering of figures and tables in check? I'm only aware of \FloatBarrier...

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda you're coming here ? come and say hello!

@1010011010 in check with what?

1010011010

@DavidCarlisle When reading the page from top to bottom, the numbering should also increment from top to bottom. In check with the natural order, I suppose.

It's an order of appearance vs. order of declaration thing...

David Carlisle

@1010011010 that is the default (and rather hard to make latex not do that)

1010011010

@DavidCarlisle Rephrasing a bit, what influence do I have to fix the numbering? Is it hard to adapt it to some specific scenario ? I don't see these questions on the site often...

David Carlisle

@1010011010 I can't think of a way to get the numbering wrong, so can't suggest how to fix it.

@1010011010 oh, unless you use [H] of course.

@1010011010 latex never re-orders figures when trying to position floats.

1010011010

8:58 PM

@DavidCarlisle I did something gimmicky when I defined my own environment: \def\@captype{figure} inside the environment

It's a figure, just not a regular one.

There you go, numbering is done for. Time to code my own logic tree then?:-)

David Carlisle

@1010011010 oh well if you do that, you're on your own, (that's basically what [H] does as well.) if you want to flush floats without forcing a page break so as to preserve numbering I posted an answer not so long ago to flush floats as h floats I'll see if I can find it.

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A: How to place floats between paragraphs?

Something like this, the command \flushhere if placed between paragraphs tries to take a float off the deferred list and make it a here float at this point, if it succeeds it tries to pop the next deferred float and so on until it runs out. So if you use [hp] floats between paragraphs and put \f...

1010011010

@DavidCarlisle Hmm that looks interesting. I'm assuming this forces the float to be placed between paragraphs?

David Carlisle

@1010011010 as written, yes

1010011010

@DavidCarlisle I think I'll spam the aux file some more:-) [h] floats are evil

Johannes_B

9:54 PM

@JosephWright Thinking about biblatex once more. github.com/michal-h21/biblatex-iso690/issues/… Do you know how well current biblatex deals with ISO690 especially concerning the controversies discussed in the just mentioned link?

cfr

10:22 PM

@PauloCereda Fantastic! I'm afraid I've been avoiding reading any and all comments addressed to me just in case. @ArthurReutenauer Great news about the cat!! I missed your query, too, but @PauloCereda's advise and apostrophes are both excellent. texdoc cfr-initials works well. I do have some less egotistically-named packages as well. Still haven't really decided what to do with my account, though I have created a bunch of other one-off accounts in the meantime...

People keep very kindly welcoming me to the site... ;).

@JosephWright I've been studiously avoiding comments, especially, I'm afraid, but thank you. Flagging would feel childish and just escalate things further, I think.

Paul Gessler

11:40 PM

@ChristianHupfer you might already be aware, but jumplines' CTAN page has two documentation links, one dead (to jumplinesdoc.pdf) and one alive (to jumplines_doc.pdf).

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