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12:00 AM
taking finding the right type to extremes...
 
@yo' I can't remember the names of the Czech ones, but one German one I got that I really liked was Weihenstephaner.
 
yo'
@PaulGessler I don't know nor drink German beers :)
 
12:34 AM
Hi! I'm trying to define the colors of Parula (last release of MatLab) github.com/Gnuplotting/gnuplot-palettes/blob/master/parula.pal
But… I can't get to define all
Taking all from # New default Matlab line colors, introduced together with parula (2014b) and using
 
Also, the new texdoc.net looks really nice!! (@PauloCereda @StefanKottwitz)
 
\definecolor{matlabblue}{HTML}{0072bd}
\definecolor{matlaborange}{HTML}{d95319}
\definecolor{matlabyellow}{HTML}{edb120}
\definecolor{matlabpurple}{HTML}{7e2f8e} % ! This one gives problems
\definecolor{matlabgreen}{HTML}{77ac30}
\definecolor{matlablightblue}{HTML}{4dbeee}
\definecolor{matlabred}{HTML}{a2142f} % ! This one gives problems too!
Any explanation?
 
@Manuel That's very strange. Did you try playing with the names and the colors separately?
It's what I would do. Just change one value to see if it will fix the problem
Not to say the value should stay like that, but it might give you a better idea at what's going wrong.
 
I don't know what I'm doing. Just using \definecolor{..}{HTML}{!!} where !! is just a copy of the link I gave.
But since 5 work well, I thought “all” would work. But it seems to be a problem with those two. And searching, for instance, here colorhexa.com/7e2f8e it seems to ve a “correct hex value”.
@SeanAllred There's not really much to play with, because I don't know what could be going wrong. I just tried using them, without definition, \color[HTML]{7e2f8e}, but the same two give problems.
 
@SeanAllred <3
 
yo'
12:40 AM
@PauloCereda quack
 
@Manuel I'm getting an error, too. What's the error you're getting?
 
yo'
btw, funny how gossip starts:
I would like to point out that none of our (TeX.SX) questions is a PC or CG. They are not aimed at the code, they are aimed at the resulting graphics, method or whatever. Golfing Qs have never appeared AFAIK. If they appeared, I would VTC them as OT and flag for migration. Also note that we are an exception in the sense that we are the only site other than PCCG.SE that allows "questions with more correct answers" or "big-list questions". In general, this type of Qs is frowned upon by the Powers, and for a good reason. Dealing with them is not always simple and takes a lot of good judgement. — yo' 5 mins ago
 
@yo' Quaaaack! :)
 
yo'
@PauloCereda how's your savings for the June journey? ...
 
@Manuel … make them uppercase
 
12:42 AM
@SeanAllred Illegal unit of measure (pt inserted). and Missing number, treated as zero..
 
I don't know why, but it works
It really shouldn't work. I'd consider this a bug.
 
And why it doesn't matter with other lowercase letters!?!?
 
\documentclass{article}

\usepackage{xcolor}

\begin{document}
{\color[HTML]{7e2f8e} fails}
{\color[HTML]{7e2F8e} works}
\end{document}
 
@SeanAllred Thanks, by the way!
 
@Manuel No problem :)
@Manuel Because they aren't f
Apparently
 
12:44 AM
The F word, I guess.
 
f7u12
 
@yo' Nothing saved ATM. :(
 
yo'
@PauloCereda :(((((
@SeanAllred @Manuel there's a typo/bug in the package's code. I'll file the bug report if you wish.
 
@yo' Everything will be fine. :)
 
@yo' If you can, that'd be awesome. I can't figure out if there is a tracker or not.
 
yo'
12:48 AM
This package can be downloaded from CTAN/macros/latex/contrib/xcolor/. There is also
an xcolor homepage: www.ukern.de/tex/xcolor.html. Please send error reports and suggestions
for improvements to the author: xcolor@ukern.de.
1
 
@yo' You know I can't read.
 
@yo' I wish :)
 
yo'
@SeanAllred what?
@Manuel working on it.
 
yo'
@SeanAllred ok :)
 
12:50 AM
@yo' The internet is a strange and wonderful place
 
@SeanAllred Hello parking meter! :)
@SeanAllred This. <3
 
@PauloCereda <3
 
yo'
To: xcolor@ukern.de
Subject: Bug report for xcolor

Hello,
I think we've discovered a bug in the xcolor package. The minimal example that shows the bug is this:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{xcolor}
\begin{document}
{\color[HTML]{7e2f8e} fails}
{\color[HTML]{7e2F8e} works}
\end{document}

The problem is in macro \@hex@@Hex whose code reads f#1f but it should be f#1F:

\def\@hex@@Hex#1%
{\if a#1A\else \if b#1B\else \if c#1C\else \if d#1D\else
\if e#1E\else \if f#1f\else #1\fi\fi\fi\fi\fi\fi \@hex@Hex}
 
@yo' Thanks :)
 
yo'
@SeanAllred welcome
 
 
1 hour later…
2:05 AM
anyone knows if the program dvisvgm comes part of texlive 2014?
The reason I am asking, I am trying to report the crash with this program, but have no idea what version it is. On linux, there is a package called texlive-extra-utils, which I did not install, but it does include this program. Since I did not install this package, then I assume it came part of texlive native installation?
>sudo apt show  texlive-extra-utils
Package: texlive-extra-utils
State: not installed
Version: 2013.20140215-2
Priority: optional
Section: tex
Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>
Description: TeX Live: TeX auxiliary programs
 Various useful, but non-essential, support programs. Includes programs and
  macros for DVI file manipulation, literate programming, patgen, and the
  TeX Works Editor.

 This package includes the following CTAN packages:
.....
 dvisvgm -- Convert DVI files to Scalable Vector Graphics format (SVG).
The problem is that doing dvisvgm --version or -v gives errors. So I have no idea what version of this program I am using now to report a bug
 
$ dvisvgm --version
dvisvgm (TeX Live) 1.6
 
@DavidCarlisle thanks. I had typo there. Now I can report this. I found a forum called Ubuntu One to report bugs in this program
 
yo'
2:20 AM
@DavidCarlisle have you seen the bug in xcolor?
 
@DavidCarlisle -- thanks. likely would have seen it anyhow, but best to point it out. will check when i get back to where i can have half a dozen x-windows open at once to check the bugs list and test files, and if it's not already been reported, onto the list it goes.
 
@michal.h21 @DavidCarlisle I reported the dvisvgm crash here fyi https://answers.launchpad.net/dvisvgm/+question/262501 but since this is not the Ubuntu version, I am not sure what will happen. Where else to report bugs in dvisvgm that comes with texlive? How does one know if this version of dvisvgm is the same as the one that comes from the Ubuntu package texlive-extra-utils
?
 
2:53 AM
@michal.h21 fyi, I forgot to mention that I changed the dvisvgm command in the build to this earlier:
Make:add("dvisvgm","dvisvgm -n -TS1.25,1.25 -c 1.2,1.2 -p 1- ${input}.idv")
i.e. I added the -TS scaling. WHich made the math more clear, (little larger). I do not think this has to do with the crash but thought to mention it. When I run the build again using the old read-each-time method, I see no crash any more. Using the commands
System call: dvisvgm -n -p 10640 -c 1.2,1.2 -s report.idv > re9124x.svg
 
3:21 AM
@HarishKumar you around?
 
 
2 hours later…
5:12 AM
@PaulGessler Paul.... I am now. :)
 
@HarishKumar hi! :-) I had been toying around with ideas for an answer to tex.stackexchange.com/q/169521/21344 for some time. But now that I have 10k tools I see that you had an answer that you deleted. Is there a reason?
One of the options in my work-in-progress answer was nearly identical to yours.
 
5:40 AM
@PaulGessler Hi. I actually forgot why I deleted that answer. IIRC, newtxtext didn't work for me on miktex. But really I am not sure. :-)
@PaulGessler Please go on to post your answer. :-)
 
6:34 AM
I don't have the framework to test yet, but will I have any problems with the following expl3 code to publish local changes to the global scope?
\prop_gset:NN \g__wstack_weights_prop \g__wstack_weights_prop
 
7:05 AM
@SeanAllred Why are you doing that?
@SeanAllred The reason for clear local/global separation is that mixing things leads to save stack issues
@SeanAllred Here, if you want to do local changes you really want a locally-accessed variable then
\prop_gset:NN \g__wstack_weights_prop \l__wstack_weights_prop
 
7:22 AM
@JosephWright Oh goodness, you're right. I should always be using the global modifiers with global variables.
It's pretty late at night here :)
I was trying to create globally-effective versions of functions without duplicating code, so I made the changes in the local group and then 'exported' the changes to the global scope
It actually ended up working, but it's wrong on a more fundamental level then that
 
 
2 hours later…
9:49 AM
Good maen
 
@ChristianHupfer Hallo!
 
@PauloCereda: Das Hallo :-P Das Black Forester learns how to use das TikZ/PGF .. And now for something completely different: How are you?
 
@ChristianHupfer In a hurry, as always, but fine. :) And you? :)
 
@PauloCereda: Quite busy... no chance to provide (many (good)) answers today
 
10:07 AM
anyone here knows about font issues for texlive installation? I build dvisvgm from source, trying to track a bug,. When I run build, now I get these errors
(/usr/local/texlive/2014/texmf-dist/tex4ht/base/unix/tex4ht.env)
Entering report.lg
Entering report.css
Entering report.tmp
Make4ht: dvisvgm -n -c 1.2,1.2 -p 1- report.idv
warning: kpathsea: configuration file texmf.cnf not found in these directories: /etc/texmf/web2c:/usr/local/share/texmf/web2c:/usr/share/texmf/web2c:/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/web2c.
 
 
1 hour later…
11:36 AM
@Nasser bug address is listed here dvisvgm.sourceforge.net/Contact
@yo' yes I saw it briefly last night, see you should have stuck with the one true original color bug free of course.
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle yes, that is what I used. I put question there first, not bug, as I was not sure if it bug or not. But used same URL (under contact, then clicked answer tracker link). Leads to answers.launchpad.net/dvisvgm
I doubt I'll get an answer. last question posted there was sept 2014
 
@Nasser that's not long ago!
 
There is a bug in the dvisvgm that comes with TL 2014 for sure. So I downloaded source code from dvisvgm.sourceforge.net/Downloads (version 1.9). build it, installed it, and now running on same file, to see if this will crash or not. But I got all the above font errors, but it is running non-the-less and will see if it will crash or not when it gets to page 9000 or so like before
 
@Nasser it'll default from its location otherwise you'll need to set (at least) TEXMFROOT
% Kpathsea sets SELFAUTOLOC (the directory with the binary),
% SELFAUTODIR (its parent), and SELFAUTOPARENT (its grandparent).
TEXMFROOT = $SELFAUTOPARENT
 
11:50 AM
@DavidCarlisle what command do I need to type to set up TEXMFROOT? I do not have these set
>echo $TEXMFROOT

>echo $SELFAUTOPARENT

I guess it worked before since dvisvgm comes with TL and it knew where things are? Is there a rehash command I need to do to set these up? thanks
do you think I should cancel the current build due to these font errors? I looked at some of the SVG images generated so far, and they look ok, ie. the math is generated ok.
 
@Nasser variables set in texmf.cnf are not environment variables:
$ kpsexpand \$TEXMFROOT
/usr/local/texlive/2014


$ echo $TEXMFROOT
@Nasser but if they are set in the environment they are used
 
@DavidCarlisle I see. So I should edit my .bashrc and set an env variable TEXMFROOT=/usr/local/texlive/2014 so that the new dvisvgm will see the fonts. Ok, will do that. I need to add this to my latex cheat sheet
 
@Nasser or just put the new binary in a directory that is a grandchild of that
 
@DavidCarlisle I did make install, and it automatically installed it to
>which dvisvgm
/usr/local/bin/dvisvgm
so it is easier now to just set up the env. variable.
@DavidCarlisle I did set it up, but still get the error. Please see

Make4ht: dvisvgm -n -c 1.2,1.2 -p 1- report.idv
warning: kpathsea: configuration file texmf.cnf not found in these directories: /etc/texmf/web2c:/usr/local/share/texmf/web2c:/usr/share/texmf/web2c:/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/web2c.
WARNING: map file ps2pk.map not found
WARNING: map file dvipdfm.map not found
WARNING: map file psfonts.map not found
WARNING: none of the default map files could be found

>echo $TEXMFROOT
/usr/local/texlive/2014
>ls /usr/local/texlive/2014
bin	  index.html  install-tl.log  LICENSE.TL  readme-html.dir  README.usergroups	texmf.cnf     texmf-config  texmf-var
doc.html  install-tl  LICENSE.CTAN    README	  readme-txt.dir   release-texlive.txt	texmfcnf.lua  texmf-dist    tlpkg
This is strange, since the texmf.cnf is there
>cd $TEXMFROOT
>find . -name  texmf.cnf
./texmf-dist/web2c/texmf.cnf
./texmf.cnf
>
 
12:11 PM
@Nasser sorry I have never tried adding a compiled binary to an existing texlive, you'll need to read the docs
 
@DavidCarlisle no problem thanks,. I need to figure how to configure kpathsea I think. Will look into it
 
@Nasser I just stumbled over this chat related to the question you posted at Launchpad. What kpathea development files did you use to build the dvisvgm binary? I guess you have to use the ones coming with TeXLive. If you link the one from the Ubuntu repository, the file lookup probably won't work properly.
Can you check whether the pfb files you get warnings about are actually there?
 
@Martin I remember having to install something for kpathea when I trying to build dvisvgm. Let me try to see if i can figure what version of kpathea I am using (I did not keep log file of what I installed to get dvisvgm to compile)
@Martin I installed, it looks like, the ones that comes with linux mint. These ones
Is this a problem? I think I installed them to make dvisvgm happy to compile. I hope I did not damage my TL installation
 
yo'
12:29 PM
@egreg one for your collection: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/229377/…
 
@Nasser OK, thanks for the info. Did you also install TeXLive from the Mint packages or did you install it separately with tlmgr? In the latter case you can't use the Mint packages but have to use the kpathsea devel files belonging to the same TL distro too.
 
@Martin I installed TL directly from TUG. using tlmgr, Did not use ubuntu packages. I also just did search for one of the font files, and it is not there
>cd $TEXMFROOT
>find . -name ps2pk.map
May be I should un-install kpathsea from the ununtu package then. And see if dvisvgm still work. This is all so confusing.
So if a program that comes with TL has a problem with it, like dvisvgm, what is one supposed to do? Since one can't install the external dvisvgm like I did, else it breaks TL settings.
 
@Nasser Yes, in this case you should uninstall the Ubuntu kpathsea packages. Since you built dvisvgm with them, it won't work any longer after the removal. Try to install the kpathsea development file from TL and build dvisvgm again with them instead.
 
@Martin but I had installed TL live complete, so did I not have kpathsea from TL allready? I assumed dvisvgm did not like that one or did not see it during the build. So that is why I installed the ubuntu version. I do not even know how to install the TL kpathsea. Is this something one does using tlmgr? I thought I had everything.
 
yo'
@Nasser well, you can check if kpathsea is in your TEXMF/bin/.../ directory
 
12:42 PM
@yo' You mean like this?
>echo $TEXMFROOT
/usr/local/texlive/2014
>cd $TEXFMROOT
>find . -name kpathsea
>
 
@Nasser Yes you have the kpathsea library already installed but not its development (.h and .so) files required to build applications with it. They are provided separately as far as I know.
 
it is not there. I also just remove the ubuntu version.
@Martin ok, thanks will look for them. I just do not know where the TL specific kpathsea libraries are now.
 
yo'
@Nasser well, you should have one subdirectory in /usr/local/texlive/2014/bin/ -- that's where all executables live
@Martin ah ok, that's another thing, yes
 
Do I have to download all this tug.org/svn/texlive/trunk/Build/source/texk/kpathsea and build it from source?
 
1:03 PM
@Nasser I don't think you have to build the whole kpathsea library again. I guess TL provides the corresponding development somewhere. However, I'm not a TL expert and can't tell if that's actually the case. Maybe someone on the TL list can help you with this.
 
Hi guys, I've got a short question
I'm editing a (long) document, improving it here and there while preserving 95%+ of the original text
I was wondering whether there is any standard way to highlight changes
Or an efficient way to compare two tex (or the resulting pdf) files which differ in 100+ places, yet are very similar
 
“Strange answer” alert: tex.stackexchange.com/a/229381/4427
 
@Martin I just did full update to TL using tmlgr. I am missing those kpathsea libraries when I run dvisvgm (external one):
Entering report.tmp
Make4ht: dvisvgm -n -c 1.2,1.2 -p 1- report.idv
dvisvgm: error while loading shared libraries: libkpathsea.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Make4ht: Fatal error. Command dvisvgm returned exit code 32512
make: *** [report.htm] Error 1

Since I uninstalled the ubuntu version of kpathsea. So I need to find TL version of kpathsea and I have no idea where to get that. There is no source tar file to download. So I am stuck now.
 
@Nasser I'm not sure if you know this, but @ notifications in a multiline text don't work.
Or they shouldn't work, as far as I remember. :)
 
1:19 PM
@Martin I just uninstalled the external dvisvgm and now things back to original state. It was not working trying to install external program to that that comes with TL. BUt there is a bug in the TL version of dvisvgm, may be someone can look into this in the future.
 
@Nasser Yes, as already mentioned in my answer at Launchpad, there is a bug in dvisvgm 1.6. It was fixed in version 1.8. So with the current release you shouln't get the bad alloc exception.
 
@Martin when you say with the current release. do you mean 1.9? current version that comes with TL is

>dvisvgm --version
dvisvgm (TeX Live) 1.6
>which dvisvgm
/usr/local/texlive/2014/bin/i386-linux/dvisvgm

Since I can't configure the external 1.9 version with TL, I have to use 1.6 version untill TL itself update. Is there another solution? I'll go read your reply at launchpad, I did not know there answer. thanks
@Martin I just read your answer. Here is a link to the file that cause the crash http://12000.org/tmp/make4ht/ the file has the word crash in it. Once downloaded, then using TL 2014, the command to issue is
dvisvgm -n -c 1.2,1.2 -p 1- file.idv
Then wait about 30 minutes or so, when it gets to page 9400 or so, it will crash
again, this is using TL 2014 (version 1.6 of dvisvgm) please let me know if you need more information
 
@Nasser Yes, either 1.8 or 1.9 should work fine. Maybe someone of the TL folks can send you a recent dvisvgm binary. Since I use the Fedora TL packages only, I can't do that for you. But I guess there are some nice guys on the TL mailing list who can.
 
@Martin ok, I will ask. But I just updated TL, and still have 1.6, I guess dvisvgm is only updated once per year with TL live? Not like with the regular package updates. I mean, if there is a newer version of dvisvgm, I would think tlmgr should pull this as well and update. Ok, will send email to TL mailing list to see. thanks.
 
1:35 PM
@Nasser TL never updates the binaries mid year (well hardly ever). there will be a TL2015 pretest in a month or so so you could just wait for that:-)
 
@Nasser Yes, unfortunately, the binaries are only updated with every new TL release. However, the sources of dvisvgm 1.9 are already present in the trunk so it should be possible for somebody to build them.
 
@DavidCarlisle Added you to the 2e post-commit hook :-)
 
@JosephWright ah thanks (I think:-)
 
@JosephWright Yay!
 
@DavidCarlisle How does one get the TL 2015 pretest? Will it be announced somewhere and can one install it if they want?
 
1:37 PM
@Nasser yes it will be announced on the texlive list for public download
 
@Nasser At the moment they are doing development so you'd have to grab the SVN: there will be a call for testing at some stage
 
@Nasser It's usually announced at tug.org/texlive
 
> 13mar: sources committed, builds begin.
10apr: tlnet (and TL'14) frozen, tlpretest starts, CTAN updates continue there.
8may: complete code freeze for final build.
 
@JosephWright When is the package freeze?
10 april?
 
@Nasser thanks for the file. I just finished the conversion without any warnings or errors. It took 78 seconds to process the whole file on my Fedora box :)
 
1:39 PM
@Martin Yay Fedora!
 
@PauloCereda It would have been .78 seconds on windows, I'm sure.
 
@PauloCereda No: somewhere in that gap between the two last dates
 
@JosephWright Oh no! :)
@DavidCarlisle boo! <3
 
@Martin 78 seconds !!!! no way. It takes about 40 minuets on my VBox. Did you make speed improvements? I do not understand how could the difference be so large
 
@Nasser Probably not a VM in his case. :)
 
1:44 PM
@PauloCereda do you think using VBox can make such huge difference? my PC is fast, intel super CPU, 16 GB, but Vbox is 2 GB Ram. Still the difference is amazing.
 
@PauloCereda Right, it's not a VM. :)
@Nasser The speed differences are really this big. On my Ubuntu VBox image the same conversion takes forever...
 
@Martin you think Fedora is better for latex than Linux mint? I want to go buy a PC and install Linux on it, will try Fedora. I've been using Linux mint for long time. Yes, I am done with VBox. I can't believe I've been waiting for days for build to finish when it could have taken few minutes
 
@Nasser if it is writing a lot of files and searching for fonts etc, the filesystem is probably as important as anything else: if you have the kpathsea caching wrong or haven't an ssd, then it is easy to get orders of magnitute time differences. (I once changed an internal job from 10 hours to 40 minutes by just not writing some intermediate files and reading them back, but instead holding everything in memory:-)
 
@Nasser It surely can.
@Nasser: not to mention the usual suspects, like HDD speed, caching, memory, etc. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle I also have my data on shared folder, all mounted from windows, as I keep all my latex file on windows disk, but mount them shared to the Linux Vbox. So this might also slow thing. I use external USB disk. Nothing fancy
 
1:50 PM
@Nasser using an external usb compared to an internal SSD is going to slow you down by 1000000%
 
@DavidCarlisle Ok, will get new PC with internal SSD, just for latex compiling. The problem I really still need to use windows, as I have some apps on it I need. So will have a figure a way to share data with the other PC.
 
@Nasser I don't think Fedora is better than any other Linux distro. It's probably a matter of taste. Personally, I chose Fedora many years ago and am still satisfied with it. BTW, I don't have an SSD installed either. Just an old fashioned HD, and 16GB of RAM. :)
 
Does anybody watch BBC's Sherlock?
 
@PauloCereda I do! Hello everyone, btw. :-)
 
2:19 PM
@PauloCereda Still 40 votes past noon? You're surprising me!
 
2:37 PM
@egreg how to redefine letter `d` in italic mode for cyrillic? Problem is that I need that letter `d` in italic mode looks like italic `g` in English. You can see here what I mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrillic_script#mediaviewer/File:Serbian_Cyrillic_Italic.svg
I use
\documentclass{article}


\usepackage[utf8x]{inputenc}
\usepackage[T2A]{fontenc}
\usepackage[serbianc]{babel}

so basicly, I need to redefine definition of italic `d` and to say that instead that I will use italic `g` from English alphabet. But I am too stupid to do something like that. I hopes you understand what I a
 
@Cortizol If the font doesn't provide it, there's little to do.
 
@egreg :( I don't see why I can't redefine italic d..., but I believe you.
 
@PaulGessler Should I?
@egreg OMG I FORGOT TO VOTE!
 
@egreg I found this tex.stackexchange.com/questions/227689/…, so I will see if there is hope for me (oh, my english...)
 
@PauloCereda I like it, but I tend to get hooked easily by TV shows. :-) My former roommates got me into it.
 
2:43 PM
@Cortizol tex has really very little control over the fonts, it just uses the font metrics such as height and width of the character, and then the font determines what that looks like. So there isn't really a tex definition to redefine. You could (if it makes sense?) make a new virtual font that was same as the original but used a g in that position? Oh or as in the question you just referenced if you switch to xetex or luatex you could use opentype substitutions
 
@Cortizol That works with Libertine and XeLaTeX with Polyglossia.
 
@PaulGessler I'll give it a try, thanks. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle I really doubt that I can make new virtual font. I will see to use opentype substitutions
@egreg Probably stupid question, but Polyglossia is package or...? Can you show me minimal example that use polyglossia for cirillic?
 
@Cortizol Use that example text.
 
@Cortizol polyglossia is a package, more or less aimed to be a replacement for babel but for xelatex and lualatex, not supporting pdftex.
 
2:49 PM
@egreg oh, I didn't see your answer
 
@egreg: Phew, out of votes. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Well, then I am going to switch to xelatex or lualatex! I need my italic font
 
@Cortizol Ehm, can you edit your line? Such words are not really good here.
 
@egreg Sure. I am just frustrated that I am big noob and that I don't know anybody in my real life that I can ask for this problem.
 
@PauloCereda oh no, and I'm still behind Gonzalo:-)
 
2:54 PM
@Cortizol There is a simplistic workaround, but it has the drawback that the letter cannot be copied and pasted as a cyrillic “d”. This can be remedied with accsupp, but doesn't work with all PDF previewers (only with Adobe Reader, as far as I know).
 
@DavidCarlisle I tried. :)
 
@egreg I think that is too advanced for me. Can you tell me what to change in your answer to get something that I want?
 
@Cortizol Just don't apply my changes!
 
@egreg I know, but I don't see in question code, except that he use \textserbian, and I tried that also but it wasn't work. I suppose that I have to change this line \setmainfont[RawFeature={language=DFLT}]{Linux Libertine O} in your answer with something, but I don't know what that is.
 
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{polyglossia}

\setmainlanguage[Script=Cyrillic]{serbian}
\setmainfont{Linux Libertine O}

\begin{document}

ИВИЋ,\,П.: \textit{Преглед историје српског језика.} Сремски Карловци~– Нови Сад 1998.


\end{document}
@Cortizol ^^^^ This also changes the appearance of cyrillic g and p, though.
 
3:06 PM
@egreg Thank you very much! Letter t is different than in Serbian, but I can leave with that.
 
3:17 PM
@egreg Just one, more theoretical question. Suppose that polyglossia works with pdflatex. Than, I suppose that I can use polyglossia for italic, and T2A for normal printed letters? Just yes or no
 
@Cortizol No, no, no.
 
3:43 PM
@egreg do you have any thoughts on adding a commabelow accent to (at least) inputenc's utf8 support. the thread is a bit mangled in the web view but see latex-project.org/cgi-bin/ltxbugs2html?pr=latex/4414&; where I adapted a bit of code from utf8x
 
@egreg Okay :(
 
4:04 PM
@wipet thanks for the comment the other day, my answer was almost entirely wrong:-)
 
OK. I was surprised of the speed of your correction:)
 
@wipet If you post as many answers as I do, sometimes they'll be wrong, but still that doesn't mean I like to leave the wrong ones on site for long:-)
 
Tiny bug in l3int.dtx: github.com/latex3/svn-mirror/blob/…. The documentation sports a beautifully subscripted r.
 
@SeanAllred Fixed
 
@JosephWright :)
 
4:36 PM
@DavidCarlisle AFAIR, the code in utf8x is good.
 
@egreg The request doesn't seem unreasonable so we're wondering about adding those 4 (would probably have to go into end of utf8.def where textordfeminine and friends are defined) since they don't seem that closely tied to an existing encoding such as T1
 
@DavidCarlisle The only problem is choosing the size of the comma; I'm not sure about \ssf@size, that is possibly too small.
 
@DavidCarlisle Do you plan to go to the TUG meeting in the summer?
 
@egreg that's the trouble with these things hard to get right, especially if you have no idea about the normal language conventions:-) Also if I don't use exactly same definition as ucs/utf8x need to worry about potential clashes, or at least odd changes if someone moves from one to another.
@JosephWright not sure yet
 
4:52 PM
@DavidCarlisle As we seem to have some traction in various areas it would be good if we could get a reasonable number of the team in one place: I'm weighing up whether to go as it's our graduation week!
 
@JosephWright similarly it's first week of school hols here, not sure if I have other commitment plus I think these days I'd have to take it as holiday, I doubt I can push it through work as a conference visit, although i could ask:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Definitely holiday for me
 
@JosephWright when I worked at a university I never had any allocated holiday, I just had to work "reasonable hours" so if I thought it was reasonable to go to a TUG meeting, I did. It seems a bit harder these days.
 
@DavidCarlisle If I go, I'll only make two of the days
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle not by then, but later on I may get couple months salary in Paris as a TeXpert :)
 
4:59 PM
@DavidCarlisle That's true for me more or less as I'll never get anywhere near the holiday days I'm allowed
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle this is the common practice here in France. But they forced the Academy of Sciences to introduce a software where you have to register the holidays in advance. The only rule is: you can't me on mission and you can't come at work that day.
 
@yo' We've got to log our time off nowadays, apparently something legally-required (I can't work out quite why but ...)
 
yo'
@JosephWright ah that sucks. Here I think the idea is that "your boss can 'exceptionally' allow you to work from home", where 'exceptionally' means what it means in France.
 
@yo' Oh, several of my colleagues to a lot of 'work from home'
@yo' I believe arts/humanities people do a lot of their real research not in the uni
 
yo'
@JosephWright well, I know people who literally live in some library who-knows-where, certainly not at the university
and for math people it's all probably different from experimentals like you.
 
5:06 PM
@yo' Well yes: if I want to do some real work I'd probably get arrested if I tried it at home nowadays :-)
 
yo'
@JosephWright LOL
whereas I am different. I will actually buy a large whiteboard as soon as I get back to Prague, so that I can work comfortably at home.
 
@JosephWright ooh do you make things that go bang?
 
@DavidCarlisle I try to avoid that, although it has been known to happen
@DavidCarlisle High energy compounds need really special facilities
 
yo'
@JosephWright 'tis no chemisty with no bangin'
 
@JosephWright that was always the best bit of chemistry, much better than watching blotting paper change colour or whatever else we did:-)
 
5:09 PM
@yo', @DavidCarlisle As an undergrad I blew up my fume hood :-(
 
yo'
@JosephWright fume hood? lemme google what's it
ah this thingy. Can be expensive, hein?
 
@yo' Yes: don't know what it cost but I blew the glass out of the front and a hole in the back
@yo' It was not nice
 
yo'
@JosephWright what were you messing up with?
 
@yo' I was cleaning up some stuff from previous people in the space I was in
@yo' All went in a glass bottle (2.5 L)
 
5:13 PM
@yo' experimental chemistry = I wonder what happens if I mix all this stuff together....
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle experimental chemistry = be as messy as you can and hope that something interesting happens by accident...
 
@DavidCarlisle Here's a scan from a Romanian book I own
@DavidCarlisle By the way, I can read it with no problem
 
@DavidCarlisle Did you get the SVN email?
 
yo'
@egreg I've seen that typesetting style before :)
 
@yo' The book was issued in 1989. It's the Romanian translation of Šafarevič's “Fundamental notions of algebra”
 
yo'
5:25 PM
@egreg sounds quite right. I know books with the very same style features (font, math symbols and spacing etc.) typeset in 70s and 80s in Czechia, but I think I've seem some Russian ones too. Cannot be a coincidence.
 
@yo' Russian typesetting machines.
 
@egreg thanks, so not that small really. :
\documentclass[a4paper,12pt,oneside,romanian]{report}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[romanian]{babel}
\usepackage[usenames,dvipsnames]{color}
\usepackage[usenames,dvipsnames,svgnames,table]{xcolor}
\selectlanguage{romanian}
\overfullrule=2cm

\makeatletter
\ProvideTextCommandDefault\textcommabelow[1]
  {\hmode@bgroup\ooalign{\null#1\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.31ex
   \hbox{\check@mathfonts\fontsize\ssf@size\z@
   \math@fontsfalse\selectfont,}\hidewidth}\egroup}

\ProvideTextCommandDefault\textcommabelowb[1]
@JosephWright no!
 
@DavidCarlisle Drat
 
@JosephWright did you use the gmail address?
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes
 
5:33 PM
 
@JosephWright is there a good dup for this or close as local error or.. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/229416/…
 
@JosephWright: ^^ back on business. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle I like best \textcommabelowb
 
@egreg yes well since I only made that because you said it was too small and showed me a picture I'm not surprised you like that one more:-) Thanks for the help though, of course We could always duck the issue and decide no change:-) @JosephWright any thoughts or are you still claiming you don't get involved in 2e stuff:-) I'm not sure really if going via the math font sizes is helping, could just use .7 of the current font size and rely on NFSS substitutions. Hmmm
 
@DavidCarlisle Not going anywhere near this one!
 
5:40 PM
@JosephWright It's good to work as a team:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Currently trying to cut the beamer bug list down: that's enough to think about
 
5:59 PM
@JosephWright I guess gmail is just slow I got the mail now.
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah, good
 
@JosephWright or perhaps it takes svn a while to pick up changes, but I didn't think so.
 
6:11 PM
@DavidCarlisle You shall not pass!!!
 
@PauloCereda This one is for you:
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Q: Is it possible to use lua to obtain the current working directoy?

Yossi GilPackage currfile with the abspath option can obtain the absolute path of the current file. However, it relies on running pdflatex with the -recorder flag. Would it be possible to achieve the same objective using lualatex? Note that lualatex has the same set of command line flags as pdlflatex, so...

 
@GonzaloMedina :-)
 
@egreg here:
\documentclass{article}

\newcommand{\workingdir}{\directlua{tex.write(lfs.currentdir())}}

\begin{document}

Hello, I'm in \workingdir

\end{document}
:)
 
@PauloCereda Ha! That was easy.
 
@GonzaloMedina LFS is awesome. :) But I really don't know if it has side effects, like the document being called within another document.
 
6:18 PM
@PauloCereda Probably \edef\workingdir{\unexpanded\expandafter{\directlua{tex.write(lfs.currentdir())‌​}}} is even better.
 
@egreg Oh my, I have no idea of what's happening that. :) Mind if I steal borrow your code?
 
@PauloCereda Of course not! It should avoid problems with special characters in the path.
@PauloCereda If you put it in the preamble of the main document, the value won't change when \workingdir is used in an \input file.
 
@egreg Thanks. :)
@egreg Ah, good catch!
@egreg: hmm the engine is complaining something. Let me investigate that.
 
\documentclass{article}

\edef\workingdir{\unexpanded\expandafter{\directlua{tex.write(lfs.currentdir())}}}

\begin{document}

Hello, I'm in \workingdir

\texttt{\meaning\workingdir}

\end{document}
 
@egreg Oh your example works. I probably ate some bracket. You could post it as an answer! :)
 
6:26 PM
@PauloCereda Surely not! I just adapted your code.
 
@egreg Oh. :)
 
Oh OK, your wording seemed to imply the option was pdftex specific. I have it on good authority a lua answer is imminent:-) — David Carlisle 13 secs ago
 
@egreg: ^^ naughty boy. :)
@DavidCarlisle: ^^ <3
@egreg, @DavidCarlisle: done. :)
 
yo'
@PauloCereda Tested Jupiter-50 today. The only thing that remains is to see whether it fits in my car's trunk. And if it does, the decision is certain.
 
@yo' Cool! How many keys does it have? Plan B: get the keyboard and a new bigger car. :)
 
6:40 PM
@PauloCereda It even got a green tick! @DavidCarlisle will be envious.
 
yo'
@PauloCereda it's a 76
well, I get this car for granted, so: no :)
 
@egreg The wrath of David will be upon me. :) Did you see what M did with cows and a lava pit? I take that David taught him to do that. :)
21 hours ago, by David Carlisle
@PauloCereda ah M built something similar but more gruesome it flooded cows into a lava pit:-)
<3
@yo' ooh. :)
 
6:59 PM
@PauloCereda youtube not me
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh I want to learn it too!
 
@PauloCereda like this, should take a keyboard?
 
@DavidCarlisle OH NO!
I wub you. <3
 
@PauloCereda That's @DavidCarlisle's car, he bought it on occasion.
 
@egreg The longtablemobile. :)
 
7:02 PM
@PauloCereda beware the \endhead
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh no! :)
 
yo'
7:27 PM
you gotta love getting to know that you'll play in the church just 12 hours in advance...
 
Do you get the feeling that someone in particular is expected to answer this question?
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Q: Building a list of non-duplicated labels from text on the fly

Faheem MithaAs a followup to Difference in compilation time between two slightly different versions I wrote Deleting duplicates from a comma-separated list of strings. Summary of issue: The former question showed some TeX code that used a list of strings which were labels derived from references in the text...

 
@DavidCarlisle yes, sorry about that.
And I have no expectations as such. But would be happy to learn what is possible.
 
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