TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2013-07-13

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12:08 AM

Is there a reason

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A: Enlarge a single page

You're enlarging the page with 10 lines? That ought to make the text run below the page. Now we're far away from "eye candy design" :-) In any case, try adding a \vspace*{-10\baseline} command at the top of the page. That adds negative space and moves the starting point up. To make the margins...

is fighting with titlesec?

12:20 AM

@DavidCarlisle hi again!

In my try to use fontspec I've got:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!
! fontspec error: "font-not-found"
!
! The font "Notheworthy" cannot be found.
!
! See the fontspec documentation for further information.
!
! For immediate help type H <return>.
!...............................................

l.3 ...package{fontspec} \setmainfont{Notheworthy}

@leo is the font installed with that name as a system font?

@DavidCarlisle don't know. I'm in Ubuntu

and I'm somehow new to Ubuntu as well

@leo well do you have the font at all?

@DavidCarlisle don't know. How can I know in Ubuntu?

found this

i'll see

@leo don't know it's been a while since I did font stuff on linux, but if you don't know, then I'd guess you haven't:-)

12:27 AM

@egreg I decided you are right; I just made all the margins in the document a bit smaller (2.2 cm), and made the section titles smaller, in the entire document then added \vspace{-5pt) a in a few places. It looks far better now, if not good.

(And then made the whole page \small, which I know is a sin, but a lesser one then what I was doing before)

@DavidCarlisle I see. If I want to install a font it is a thing to do with Ubuntu or with TeX?

@leo classic tex has its own font system, but an advantage of xetex and luatex is that you can use any open type font installed in the system, so you don't need separate font setup for tex and the rest of the system. so if you get a font somewhere and install it on your system (probably just double click on it on a file manager) then xetex will find it

so I have to install the font on the system

only once

that's good

by now i'll change to other font

Synaptic is not the same as the software center, right?

Well crud

If I swap from lmodern to venturis that page that was giving me so much trouble now fits just fine, well, with a bit of tweaking

1:18 AM

@DavidCarlisle See

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Q: Why is paste/drag-and-drop of images browser-specific?

Since February 2013, Stack Exchange has been offering paste/drag-and-drop insertion of images into posts. This is awesome... but doesn't work the same on all browsers. Google Chrome (28.0.1500.71 m) provides both paste & drag-and-drop: Firefox (22.0) only provides drag-and-drop: Internet Ex...

support images browsers

10 hours later…

11:20 AM

@PauloCereda Good morning!

@egreg Good morning! :)

Any tour planned for today? :)

@PauloCereda Weather forecasts are bad. Tomorrow should be good.

@Canageek This works for me:

\documentclass{article}

\usepackage{lipsum}

\setlength{\marginparwidth}{1in}%

\begin{document}

\marginpar{\hrulefill}\lipsum[1-4]

\lipsum*[4-5]%
\setlength{\marginparwidth}{0.5in}%
\marginpar{\hrulefill}\lipsum*[6]

\setlength{\marginparwidth}{0.75in}%
\marginpar{\hrulefill}\lipsum*[7]

\end{document}

@egreg Oh. :) I'll try to play some soccer today, there will be a power shortage here in half an hour. :)

Hi @Nicola! :) I installed F19 XFCE on my netbook. :)

@PauloCereda Hi Paulo! :-) How's it going? I've discovered that if I have the save session on exit setting on, the next time I login it switches to the default gnome 3, even if I have the classic option selected in the login screen, but if I don't have save session on exit, I can get back onto the classic setting. Weird.

11:26 AM

@NicolaTalbot Can I give you an advice? :)

@PauloCereda Yes, please :-)

@NicolaTalbot ooh dangerous advice follows. :) Take a look at Cinnamonn or MATE instead of using the Gnome 2 fallback. Personally, I like Cinnamonn better, but MATE seems to be an exact copy of the G2 goodies. :)

@PauloCereda Thanks :-) I'll have a look at them.

@NicolaTalbot Personally, I think you'll like Cinnamonn. :)

@PauloCereda KDE? Never. ;-)

11:34 AM

@PauloCereda Okay, installation in progress :-)

@egreg Heavens no. :) It's not KDE, but another window manager. :)

KDE is not bad per se (it's actually very polished), but it's not for me. I don't like its features. :)

@PauloCereda I believe it's KDE based.

Good old times of my Slack, when I had a big black screen with just a prompt. Entering X only when needed.

@egreg Now you are scaring me. :)

@PauloCereda It's installed I'm going to logout and login again.

@NicolaTalbot ooooh tell me how do you like it. :)

Oh no, where's Nicola? What have I done?!

Now I'm getting scared.

11:48 AM

@PauloCereda Yay! I like it. Thanks. :-)

This is much better. Now I can enjoy F19!

@NicolaTalbot Phew. :) It has wobbly windows too. :)

@NicolaTalbot It's very nice. :) Check out the effects. :)

@PauloCereda Ooh!

@PauloCereda I can see I'm not going to get any work done for a while ;-)

Try moving your mouse to hit the left or right side of the screen (I'm not sure it's enabled by default). You will go to another workspace. :)

@PauloCereda I've found a funny little icon in the top left corner that shows me the different workspaces.

@NicolaTalbot That too. :P

11:52 AM

This is really good. I was going to upgrade my Mum's computer to F19 but she wouldn't have liked the change in desktop, but if I install cinnamon it ought to be less confusing for her.

@NicolaTalbot It's a very nice window manager. MATE is also interesting, but I think it's "too basic". :)

Cinnamon brings the best of two worlds. :) MATE is a port of G2.

@PauloCereda Now I just need to find a nice background for the desktop :-)

@NicolaTalbot Go to yumex (I use it when I need to search for something) and look for packages named backgrounds-extra or extra-backgrounds (I never remember the order). :)

I'll be back in a couple of hours, we'll have a power shortage here in 5 minutes. :) Cheerio.

12:39 PM

@PauloCereda That's a nuisance, although at least you had some advance notice rather than finding out about it when everything suddenly switches off! I've found a background for my desktop. And, yay!, kphotoalbum is working again :-)

What’s unusual about this paragraph, composed by Lawrence Cowan?

Trade was arrested as a base act after federated reserves regressed faster as extracted free trade was saved as extra reverted waste. Deserted as better fates were created, a few brave castes feared effects as excess stargazers were severed. Statecraft fretted, staggered, braced as steadfast braggarts beat state stewards, stewardesses. Tested as a great craze, trade traversed war; zest was dead as a few eager asses abated better treats, detested street fracases. Facts were effaced as we attested a great faded age.

The answer is here futilitycloset.com/2013/07/13/business-news

@percusse There's no ‘i’?

@egreg That's a close one :)

@percusse Oh, there's no ‘o’ either!

And no ‘u’ nor ‘y’

@egreg Click the link above. It's a funny answer.

12:54 PM

@percusse :)

@percusse Once I went to a concert and the main piece was the third piano concerto by Beethoven. As a ‘bis’ the pianist played a piano version of the Ciaccona for violin from Bach's Partita n. 2, using only his left hand.

@egreg Ah, should have played Steve Reich

@percusse I'd leave the place. ;-)

Hahahahahaha

1:17 PM

@percusse I'm listening to it. After four minutes the only word that comes to my mind is ‘ridicolous’.

@egreg Yes pretty much :) It's all Stravinsky's fault.

@percusse Stravinsky? Who's he?

Ah, yes, a wannabe composer who's dead. He's buried in Venice, do you know?

The same Stravinsky who knew Coco Chanel?

@egreg Oh, I thought he was in Paris. For Coco chanel etc.

There was a movie, two, three years ago, Cocco&Igor, I think.

Displaying how they met each other around "Sacre Printemps".

1:24 PM

@percusse "it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stravinskygrave.jpg"

@egreg Got it.

But I have to say that I somehow like what Shostakovich is narrating.

Might be a problem of him or mine though :)

@percusse He's next to Diaghilev, as he desired. What I can say is that I like nothing written by him.

@egreg I can't even decide whether I like it or not. I can't grab any pattern or melody. Only some progression tricks at a few places. So it's way above my head (assuming there is indeed something in there).

@Buttonwood Ah, yes, I might watch it soon. It's somewhere on my external drive...

2:18 PM

@percusse Thankfully now I'm listening to Vivaldi. ;-) He's not buried in Venice.

3:11 PM

Trivia fact: today's winner at the Tour de France shares his birthday with me.

3:42 PM

interessting, i lost 8 points last night for the removal of post i did not write oO

@Rico Do you see what happens when editing too much? ;-)

@egreg i actually did not visit the site for at lease 2 days :D do i get negative points when a question i edited gets deleted?

4:04 PM

@Rico You loose the rep you got for the edits

@Rico It seems a few old questions which had low votes/views got removed

4:16 PM

I think this can be considered a duplicate:

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Q: Notation table in each Chapter/Part

I am currently writing a large document (book class divided into several parts) and would like to introduce suitable notation tables at the beginning of each part of the document. Up to now I have been looking at the documentation of some (standard?) references for making indexes and notation ta...

glossaries subdividing nomenclature

(Aside from the issue of having the same symbol with different meanings.)

4:28 PM

@egreg Of course, yours is way more important. :)

@Nicola: how's Cinnamon so far? :)

@PauloCereda Great, thanks :-) It's much more what I'm used to.

@NicolaTalbot I managed to get used to G3, but this window manager is nice. :) I'm really happy my suggestion ended well. :)

@PauloCereda Me too :-) It was great advice. :-)

@NicolaTalbot Does your mum use Fedora as well? :)

@PauloCereda Yes, I made her computer dual-bootable. She's got a little Windows partition in case she has any applications that she can't use under Linux, but I've set up everything she usually needs on a Linux partition (LibreOffice, gnucash, thunderbird, firefox). She's not very good with computers, so I try to keep each upgrade as close in looks to the previous version so she doesn't get confused by it.

4:39 PM

@NicolaTalbot How nice! :) I tried to introduce my dad to Linux, but he depends a lot on Microsoft Office because of his work. It wouldn't be so difficult for me to help him migrate, but it's just too risky. :) My mum doesn't know how to use a computer, but she always want to see what I'm up to when I'm using my iPad. :)

In fact, the only Windows-only application she's got that she really wants to use is the software for her sewing machine, but that's no longer usable as it requires a parallel port for the dongle, and her new computer is, as with most new computers, lacking one.

@NicolaTalbot USB converted?

@NicolaTalbot Or an add-in board?

@JosephWright l3sewing :)

(At work we have a lot of things that need this sort of thing)

@JosephWright It won't work with a USB to parallel extension.

@JosephWright Maybe that might work.

@PauloCereda :-)

I'd have to get her a floppy disk drive as well! But at least that's easier to get.

4:42 PM

@NicolaTalbot Turn-out for the course is looking low: I have only about 10 takers

@JosephWright Will there be free food?

@JosephWright That's a nuisance.

:)

@PauloCereda Yes

@NicolaTalbot Yes

@JosephWright oooh SIGN ME IN!

:)

4:42 PM

@PauloCereda We could send a doggy bag to Brazil :-)

@NicolaTalbot Wondered if we only need two people: me plus one of you or Phil

@NicolaTalbot ooh just make sure to include something that lasts at least 2-3 months. Remember the book. :)

@PauloCereda My mum mostly just uses it to write letters and read emails.

@NicolaTalbot maplin.co.uk/pci-parallel-card-28720

(Had to buy a serial one recently)

@JosephWright I'm happy either way. We'll be down at mum's that week so I'll be coming up from Sussex rather than going down from Norwich.

4:45 PM

@NicolaTalbot Ah, right. Will circulate an e-mail :-)

@JosephWright Thanks :-) She'll be really glad to get it working again.

@JosephWright :-)

@PauloCereda Oh, something really cool I've discovered with Cinnamon, I found a thing that shows me a mapping of the keyboard modifiers. I'd already discovered that Alt Gr+; puts an acute accent over the next character (so Alt Gr+;e gives é) but now I know that Alt Gr+[ does the umlaut. I can now write "naïve" without going to the character map. (And people wonder why I always stick with typing LaTeX accent commands instead of using inputenc!)

@NicolaTalbot oooooh! :)

@PauloCereda When Mum was trying to write a translation of my books for her cousin she phoned me up to find out how to type accents in LibreOffice, but after my feeble attempt to help she decided to add them with a pen after she'd printed it out!

@NicolaTalbot Oh my! :)

5:02 PM

@PauloCereda UK keyboards aren't really designed for heavy accent use. I have a file called words.tex where I define commands for common English words that contain accents, so I can just type, say, That's a \naive\ thing to do. (Which also stops the spellchecker from getting confused as well!)

@NicolaTalbot Oh, since my language has accents, I'm very used to dead keys. :)

5:24 PM

@PauloCereda :-)

@Nicola: now I'll convince you to use empathy/pidgin and add all your contacts. :)

6:21 PM

@egreg Do you have an idea how I can simulate the chapter font settings without having a \chapter command for measuring?

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@NicolaTalbot: F19 XFCE on my netbook. :)

ooh @Stefan is here. <3

@percusse It depends on the style; the book class has \Huge \bfseries

@PauloCereda You too, what a surprise! :-D

@egreg Darn....

@Stefan :)

I don't know why, my machine naming scheme sounds too British nowdays: oxford, cambridge, manchester...

6:28 PM

@NicolaTalbot Maybe you have a PCMCIAFBIDJMC Snoop Doggy Dog slot?

amazon.com/electronics/dp/B000SR2H4W

They are kind of legacy too.

@percusse LOL

I need another city name, how about this one?

@percusse You need an adapter for that adapter

Carlisle, Cumbria

Carlisle ( or , from Cumbric: Caer Luel) ) is a city and the county town of Cumbria. It is also the administrative centre of the City of Carlisle borough in North West England. Carlisle is located at the confluence of the rivers Eden, Caldew and Petteril, south of the Scottish border. It is the largest settlement in the county of Cumbria, and serves as the administrative centre for both Carlisle City Council and Cumbria County Council. At the time of the 2001 census, the population of Carlisle was 71,773, with 100,734 living in the wider city. 10 years later, at the 2011 census, it ...

@PauloCereda :-)

@Stefan Chances are it's easier to convert that stupid abbrviation to usb

6:29 PM

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@NicolaTalbot awwww. <3

@NicolaTalbot: want a suggestion for your window decoration? :)

@PauloCereda Okay :-)

@NicolaTalbot Not sure of the name, but I guess you could go with yum install gtk-nimbus-engine :)

Now, I don't remember how to change the decoration on Cinnamon. :P

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dickimaw ... Wait a minute ....

Kukumav (Athene noctua), baykuşgiller (Strigidae) familyasından küçük bir baykuş türü. Özellikleri Tüyleri üst kesimde koyu kahve üzerine küçük beyaz lekelerle kaplıdır, alt kısmında ise bu beyazlıklar geniş çizgiler halini alırlar. Sarı renk gözlerinin üstünde ona sert bir bakış kazandıran beyaz kaşlar bulunur. Alın kısmı ise düz ve alçaktır. Ev ortamına girdiğinde son derece dost canlısıdır. Yaşam alanı Kukumav yerleşik bir türdür. Kırsal bölgelerde tarlaların ve bahçelerin yakınlarında yaşar. Özellikle bu yeşillik yerleri sever, ancak çok yoğun ormanlık alanlarda yaşamayı da sevm...

ignore the text ....

@NicolaTalbot: it's taken from Solaris. I love the color scheme. :)

6:32 PM

:)

@PauloCereda Try figlet $\int_a^b f(g(t))g'(t)\,\mathrm{d}t$

@percusse Thanks, although I gather the stupid dongle doesn't work with adapters. Why they need a dongle at all amazes me given that the software is of no use unless you buy the sewing machine. Surely the sewing machine makes a good enough dongle!

@Stefan You want me to run into bash problems, don't you? :)

@NicolaTalbot It's because (I happen to be a working engineer at the time) to prevent the machine to be copied directly. Later on chinese caught on and copied every possible dongle on the planet so you need to thank them.

@PauloCereda You mean like \math; rm -R . ? Oh no.

6:34 PM

@Stefan Close. :)

@Stefan: by the way, do you know this? sourceforge.net/projects/suicide-linux

:)

@PauloCereda I once installed it, but misspelled a command. Test successful.

@Stefan LOL

@PauloCereda I should make this the base OS for my Xen server with the TeX sites ;-) challenging

@Stefan :P

@percusse Oh, okay. It's just a nuisance that she can't use the software any more because the hardware has moved on. If a new machine came out with an open source file format, I'd recommend she get that, but I'm not sure that'll ever happen.

@percusse :-)

6:39 PM

@PauloCereda You could implement a suicide TeX compiler. It's probably easy to find beta testers.

@Stefan what if we throw random text and cat images replacing the current text and images in a document if the compiler accuses an error?

@PauloCereda It should embed this in the PDF.

@NicolaTalbot Just get an old 486 on eBay.

@PauloCereda Hmm, I'm undecided on that one.

@NicolaTalbot :)

@percusse SIR DON'T CLICK THAT LINK

@Stefan: you Germans and your GEMA.

:)

6:44 PM

@percusse She does actually have a really old PC but it's only got Windows 3.1 on it.

Yes, it's really that old!

@NicolaTalbot Tell her to upgrade to Windows ME :) She will start using Debian in about a month

@PauloCereda Which link? Damn those stealth rickroller links

7:07 PM

@percusse She uses Fedora :-)

1 hour later…

8:12 PM

@percusse While I was having dinner, I found on the "RAI Storia" channel an old program from the Sixties; there was Anna Moffo singing a very flowered version of "Una voce poco fa" from "Il barbiere di Siviglia" and then there was Lionel Hampton playing the vibraphone, drums and even the piano. Slightly better than what you pointed me to. ;-)

9:05 PM

@JosephWright I know I've already said this; but a list of the main changes in the L3 suite after a new release would be very useful. I spotted that \clist_use:Nnnn and \seq_use:Nnnn are not candidates any more; but the expandable sorting is worthy some words, I believe. And there are also \seq_use:Nn and \clist_use:Nn that weren't available before.

@egreg You do read the announcement text I assume?

@egreg Of course, I paraphrase the SVN messages

Now we are past the TL freeze I want to do regular updates as it makes that job easier!

Question: How did I end up in charge of LaTeX3 releases?

@JosephWright I follow comp.text.tex, but there's still no announcement AFAICT.

@egreg CTAN I believe have something like a 24 h delay for mirroring

I don't control that!

Should I sent to LaTeX-L too?

@JosephWright OK. I still don't think this is the best way; cc-ing the list shouldn't be so difficult ;-)

@egreg OK, next time will do that: I don't actually keep the text I write!

@egreg CTAN doesn't work by e-mail, so CC is not an option :-)

9:12 PM

@JosephWright ;-)

@egreg I guess I can ask Robin

@JosephWright He'll grumble a bit. :)

Seriously, who on the team decided 'I know, we have this guy who has no real programming experience: he'll be really good at doing releases'

@egreg Of course

@egreg Luckily, I know him quite well

2 hours later…

11:14 PM

@egreg (since you are following this:-)

England: 215 & 375 (149.5 overs)
Australia: 280 & 174-6 (71.0 overs)
Venue: Nottingham

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