TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2013-04-22 (page 2 of 2)

Scott H.

20:00

While I'm here, the issue is with \SplitArgument in the xparse. The doc suggests that missing args will be replaced with empty brace groups, but instead a brace group containing -No Value- is used. I think the former is probably intended but I'm not sure.

David Carlisle

@jak You can't do that in classic TeX (I don't think you have said whether you are using xetex or luatex rather than (pdf)tex) But really you don't need to why can you not input it in that form with the greek letter?

jak

Do You know lua tex?

Joseph Wright

@ScottH. Already fixed in SVN: will be updated in the next release

jak

i use xetex and pdflatex but my knowing about tex is not good

Scott H.

@JosephWright Ah, great. Just FMI, was the documentation changed or the code?

Joseph Wright

20:03

@ScottH. Code

Scott H.

@JosephWright Ok, thanks!

Paulo Cereda

I asked a friend if she was going to read the TeXbook, and she said she will wait until they make a movie of it. /facepalm

jak

where are example of lua tex? simple. I need write a chapter but interline is +2 before line.

or other simple example of lua tex

David Carlisle

@jak If you are trying exotic fonts you would be best to stick to either pdflatex or xetex or luatex. the font mechanisms in all three are completely different. For common font setup the user level interface is the same but the underlying mechanisms are different and for the kind of things you claim you want to do you need to be at the lowest level. (It still isn't clear to me why you need to do that though)

jak

@David Carlisle ok show me example of using ttf (indifferent to what the program)

David Carlisle

20:07

@PauloCereda Take her to watch this, then she'll have to read the book

Tex (film)

Tex is a 1982 drama film directed by Tim Hunter and written by Charles S. Haas based on the novel of the same name by S. E. Hinton. Matt Dillon and Jim Metzler play brothers who struggle after their mother dies and their father walks out on them. Plot A coming-of-age adventure about two brothers (Matt Dillon and Jim Metzler) struggling to make it on their own when their mother dies and their father leaves them in their Oklahoma home. Cast *Matt Dillon as Tex McCormick *Jim Metzler as Mason McCormick *Meg Tilly as Jamie Collins *Bill McKinney as Pop McCormick *Frances Lee McCain as Mrs. ...

@jak sorry I don't understand.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh! :)

jak

@DavidCarlisle show me example what i can set up my new letter in any of program pdflatex, lualatex or xetex

simple I have font utf-8 ą=latin a + cedila etc...

David Carlisle

@jak That isn't how tex works, you'd need a new font, and as I said before I have never needed to create a new font (I don't think you do either to be honest, but if you want to do that that's fine but you should be in a font forum not a tex one) (I really can't help you with that)

jak

where is font forum?

with tex, with font of tex

David Carlisle

@jak anywhere where they ask about font creation rather that about TeX:-)

jak

20:12

where i can found people who can help me match font in tex or my own font

ok, But do You know thats people?

(meybe in Polish language?)

David Carlisle

@jak Not really, sorry.

jak

Does anyone know someone who creates fonts for TeX or otf using fontforge?

ok

David Carlisle

@jak are all the letters that you need in Unicode, and if so can't you use xetex and an existing Unicode font, which would be far easier than setting up a new one.

jak

please send me e-mail if You found thats people ;-)

I make my own ttf ;-)

but my ttf is not good, not have first letter in word, does not include various alternative versions of the same letters etc.

David Carlisle

@jak OK if you have a ttf (that you made) and asked a specific question say "how do I load a custom ttf font into xetex?" someone on site would probably be able to answer. Your existing question asked about setting up a language in Tex and to Tex that is all about hyphenation and not about fonts at all so got the wrong people and wrong answers.

jak

20:21

custom load ttf ?

that is, load the fonts and then rearrange them?

/look in other room conversation/

topskip

too localized:

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Q: bookmarks: diacritics, umlauts and special characters

Why are the bookmarks in my pdf documents (created by LuaLaTeX) not correct? E.g., I get Faá¸«r al-DÄ«n al-RÄ†zÄ« instead of Faḫr al-Dīn al-Rāzī. In general diacritics, umlauts and special characters are not correctly displayed -- in none of my documents. I use (almost without any options): hy...

Or should we post an answer?

Werner

@topskip It seems too localized to me, since it's not really clear what the OP tried to begin with. That is, where did they first try \hypersetup{...}? It seems fairly basic that \hypersetup should follow \usepackage{hyperref}.

topskip

@PatrickGundlach: Stealth, one of the biggest flops in cinema history. The AI is supposedly programmed in TeX - maybe Omega? — Martin Schröder Apr 24 '12 at 8:45

Werner

...just throwing it out there.

Paulo Cereda

@topskip OMG

topskip

20:28

@PauloCereda They showed *TeX source code!!!

Paulo Cereda

@topskip Wow!

Nicola Talbot

I'm sure this one must be a duplicate:

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Q: List of Acronyms is not displayed

\documentclass{report} \usepackage[acronym]{glossaries} \makeglossary \newacronym{svm}{SVM}{Support Vector Machine} \newacronym{wasn}{WASN}{Wireless Sensor Networks} \begin{document} \printglossaries \newpage using \gls{svm} blah blah \gls{wasn}blah blah.....\gls{svm} \end{document} I am testin...

glossaries acronyms

The OP isn't using makeglossaries/makeindex and that's always being asked about.

Possibly a duplicate of:

1

Q: glossary does not appear

I've placed \usepackage{glossaries} \makeglossaries just before \begin{document} as recommended in my preamble. After the main part of my paper I've placed \newpage \printglossaries \newpage before \bibliographystyle{ecta} \bibliography{references} \end{document} But the glossary won...

indexing glossaries

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda There was a youtube clip I seem to remember, I wonder if it's still there...

jak

I'm looking for Polish People who know TeX,LuaTex etc.

is possible to search people who are from Poland?

Joseph Wright

20:43

@jak Why is the polish part important?

David Carlisle

@jak Poland has an active tex user group:

ntg.nl/lug/pl.html

jak

because my english is awfull

not working

lokk this gust.org.pl/contact-info and send anything

this same is with other data

Andrew Stacey

@Speravir Hope that's clearer now on the tikzmark question. In case you don't get the notification of my last comment, I've added the links and am now deleting the comments to neaten up.

@Speravir And just to be absolutely clear: you were right to comment and the questions most definitely should be linked.

Speravir

@AndrewStacey Yepp, got the notification and deleted my comments. Unfortunately I already had upvoted. ;-)

Andrew Stacey

@Speravir Darn. You foiled my plan to garner extra reputation. I'm currently running at about 300 me (milli-egregs).

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Speravir

20:56

@AndrewStacey :-)

egreg

@AndrewStacey I'd prefer

\renewcommand\tikzmark[2][]{%
  \ifnum\catcode`\;=\active
    \expandafter\@firstoftwo
  \else
    \expandafter\@secondoftwo
  \fi
  \tikzmark@active\tikzmark@nonactive{#1}{#2}}

Speravir

One more closing vote needed: How I can add my own language (I said it already several times: The review system is broken. This one is days old.)

egreg

@AndrewStacey Not that it makes a big fdifference. But you don't define \@next

Speravir

And this is even older, 3 closing votes needed: Texstudio structure view test failed!

OK, thanks to @JosephWright. Only one closing needed. ;-)

Andrew Stacey

21:16

@egreg Good idea. Thanks.

gekkostate

Hey guys, just out of curiosity, should the Introduction of a book be in \frontmatter or should it be in \mainmatter?

percusse

@gekkostate Think of frontmatter as the pages with initial roman numerals and other weird stuff before you actually start numbering and using the regular format for the rest. So intro if a standalone chapter would be a mainmatter

gekkostate

@percusse But would it be against standard convention to have the intro in mainmatter while having roman numerals?

percusse

@gekkostate Standard convention is to give ToC, LoF etc. foreword acknowledgements etc. as frontmatter and then starting with an introduction to the main matter

gekkostate

@percusse Okay, thanks!

gekkostate

21:33

Hey guys, another quick question. What is the use of \sloppy?

David Carlisle

Comic sans example posted in honour of @egreg.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle LOL

egreg

@DavidCarlisle This warrants a downvote.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg David has Word skills!

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda You don't know how long it took me to type that in Word, and even then it didn't come out anything like I'd hoped:(

egreg

21:41

@PauloCereda That was just M-x emulate-rubbish

Actually the command is named differently, but I changed it because I never mention that program's name, as you know.

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda also I blame you for corrupting @cmhughes

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle What did I do?

egreg

@DavidCarlisle I didn't downvote the answer, actually: Mozart's clarinet concerto put my in a good mood.

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda The comment on my answer has your hallmark all over it:-)

Paulo Cereda

David Carlisle

21:46

@PauloCereda see a real master at work

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh! It was not me! :)

@DavidCarlisle I just clicked the WordArt stuff. :)

23

Q: How to practice LaTeX?

With many programming languages, you have the opportunity of practicing the language by doing problems or developing programs that will do certain things. With LaTeX, however, you can't exactly do that because it is a typesetting language and therefore, requires some sort of material to be practi...

best-practices

Can I answer it? "You don't practice LaTeX! You "for realsies" LaTeX!"

percusse

Another English question: What is the common way to say that we remind the reader to remember this point as we will refer to it later?

I don't want to sound like a textbook or add another This will be important later type of clause.

I now have We will return to this issue in the later sections

Mario S. E.

22:09

@percusse What about "We'll get back to this on later sections" ?

egreg

@percusse We shall refer to this point later

!!/battle

Mario S. E.

@percusse "Please bear in mind this information, as it will be discussed on later sections"

**further discussed

percusse

@MarioS.E. @egreg Thanks! I've tried to use passive voice via this issue will be addressed in detail....

David Carlisle

22:27

@egreg 275 each:-)

Werner

!!/battle

Mario S. E.

I'm sorry, what's that !!/battle thing?

David Carlisle

@Werner PSmith is AWOL (again) but see the line above.

@MarioS.E. I'll see if we can demonstrate....

@PauloCereda WAKE UP THE BOT!!!!

Mario S. E.

@DavidCarlisle I don't know why, but the first thing that came to my mind was "Release the Kraken"

egreg

@MarioS.E. Just a joke between two senior^H^H^H^H^H^H chat residents

Werner

22:30

@MarioS.E. It's an undisclosed Psmith TeX bot function...

...it outputs the current daily reputation "battle" between @egreg and @DavidCarlisle. You know, the attention-grabbers of TeX.SE...

Mario S. E.

@Werner hahahahahaa, ok, now it makes sense!

egreg

David Carlisle update: 644 to go 100K

David Carlisle

@Werner says @Werner who's got a higher rep than me....

@egreg wow @egreg can do subtraction!

Werner

@DavidCarlisle What would be interesting is a graph showing the reputation-grab over time... you would be much higher than me in the recent months... errr, year!

egreg

@DavidCarlisle So it's for Thursday, probably. I'll be on tour, I believe: National Holiday.

David Carlisle

22:34

stackexchange.com/users/845543/david-carlisle?tab=reputation

Werner

@egreg How many candles do we put on the DC-Cake?

David Carlisle

@Werner 1000 :-)

Werner

@DavidCarlisle My trend has been far more consistent over time... you've been "a slacker" until recently. :)

@DavidCarlisle 1000 makes for a big cake.. Have to use some \tikzmark in the placement of those... :-|

David Carlisle

@Werner Far too straight, more interesting to have a bend in the middle:-)

Werner

@DavidCarlisle And by the way, this is soon to be changed if one considers your current trend in rep-grab-per-day...

@DavidCarlisle All jokes aside, it's invaluable the contributions that you and other high-rollers make. My tenure here has been short in the TeX world...

Paulo Cereda

22:48

!!/battle

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 275 vs. 275 David. So far, nobody is winning today.

OMG!

It looks like a tennis match. :)

Xavier

Hi Paulo

I've got a quick question for you :)

Paulo Cereda

@Xavier Hi Xavier! Sure, go ahead! :)

leo

hello!

Xavier

Referring to this answer: tex.stackexchange.com/a/70286/10102

Is the code used to produce the symbols (apparently yours) completely free?

As in, can I include it in a package?

leo

does someone here use miktex?

Paulo Cereda

23:00

@Xavier I think so. :) I generated them from a .svg source. :)

@Xavier: github.com/cereda/codebucket/tree/master/logos

GitHub seems to have updated their logos, so mine might be outdated.

Xavier

Well, I hope Github and Linkedin won't complain about trademarks and design copyright :)

egreg

@leo Not I. ;-)

leo

@egreg :-)

not even Windows I guess

Xavier

@PauloCereda Also, any chance you explain me how I could similarly generate tikz code for a Twitter logo?

egreg

@leo What's that?

Xavier

23:03

@leo Sorry, not here either

David Carlisle

@leo not me:-)

Paulo Cereda

@Xavier Sure! :) There's a Inkscape plugin called code.google.com/p/inkscape2tikz :)

If you can find a Twitter logo in .svg, open it in Inkscape and export it to TikZ. :)

Xavier

@PauloCereda Hmm, nice :)

leo

@egreg I thought you use Linux...

percusse

@leo That would be me...

egreg

23:08

@leo Rarely.

percusse

Nevermind the geeks. They are trying to cover up the inability to control a mouse with precision.

:P

Xavier

@PauloCereda Thx! Off to a new release :)

egreg

@leo I'm a happy Mac user since 1985

Paulo Cereda

@Xavier My pleasure! Just let me know if you need any help. :)

leo

well, the thing is that according to my miktex update wizard, all the mirrors have version April-15

just wanted to confirm

Xavier

23:10

@PauloCereda gist.github.com/hail2u/2884613 :)

leo

and of course, it says that there is no current updates available

Paulo Cereda

@Xavier Cool!

percusse

@leo Mirrors don't immeadiately sync themselves with CTAN. So it takes a while to get the updates.

texenthusiast

@PauloCereda stupid q due to my ignorance: i was wondering why lua was not chosen for arara instead of java ?

leo

@egreg Cool! One of my friends owns a Mac Book Pro, he let me use it once, I asked how to uninstall a program... it was so easy,

you just drop it to the trash!

egreg

23:18

@leo :)

texenthusiast

@DavidCarlisle our current generation are spoilt brat due to luxury of choices and computing freedom :)

leo

@percusse I see. I had TeXLive. I switch to MiKTeX because I had problems in TeXLive related to biber and biblatex. And because this is an old machine with 55GB HD only

I use it for TeX related stuff mostly

@egreg just realized that the Klein 4 group is the union of three other subgroups of A_4 :-)

percusse

@leo For the impatient updater, every 2 weeks is a nice frequency to check updates.

egreg

@leo Some years ago I decided to buy a FireWire PCI card for my Mac G4; when the card arrived, I told my brother-in-law, who is a Windoze guy, to see the complicated installation. I switched off the machine, pulled open the side panel, unscrewed the protection for the slot, screwed in the card, closed the panel, switched on the machine and connected a FireWire drive. No driver downloading, disk insertion, nothing at all: it just worked.

@leo It's small, but full of features. :)

leo

@percusse I see. I check almost every week.

texenthusiast

23:24

@egreg how to update texlive during a frozen state ?

egreg

@texenthusiast You don't.

texenthusiast

@egreg you mean we should pretest 2013 ?

percusse

How come I love answering questions here but cannot concentrate to draw a Riemann Sphere rotation for the last 3 hours?

egreg

@texenthusiast I'm trying it. The best is to wait.

Silex

@Speravir Well, I'm actually a 'he'... ;)

texenthusiast

23:27

@egreg ok thanks a lot :)

percusse

@Silex The awkward silence...... :P

Silex

@PauloCereda Thanks, but no apologies necessary ;)

leo

@egreg That's so cool. I hope to buy one at some point. And forget Windows because in any case with the new versions you must get used to a new operative system

Silex

@percusse :P

leo

so far, the most Apple thing I have is an old iPad

Speravir

23:29

@Silex Very, very big oops! And excuse me, please! So, you are not Silke Hofstra or … ? See @PauloCereda, you were right!

leo

:-)

Silex

@Speravir I am Silke Hofstra, it's just that Silke can also be a boys name in the Netherlands. (Though I must admit it's quite rare. About 97% of the Silkes are girls :S)

leo

it happens something similar to me in the math.chat but the other way around. It is a Charlie there, who I thought was a he. That day I've said that nobody understand girls and things like that. After she leaves, I knew she was actually a she...

percusse

@Speravir We have a thorough security clearance system installed here. :)

Speravir

@Silex This is mean! ;-) In Germany Silke can be only a girl’s name, I thought until now, but perhaps in Eastern and Northern Frisia there are boys with this name, too …

@percusse What? :-)

cmhughes

23:43

@DavidCarlisle @PauloCereda can't take too much of the blame- I've been a vim user for quite a while :)

Silex

Don't worry about it :P. I live quite close to the German border, so this happens to me all the time. The only time I thought it was really annoying was when I was at a German airport and they though my passport had to be fake because there was no way I could be named Silke.
As far as I know only the boys name is a true Germanic name, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's used for boys in places where they speak Frisian.

But anyway, I've got to go. More about all this confusion tomorrow!

Speravir

@Silex Bye.

@percusse Perhaps you find this interesting:

►

percusse

@Speravir Haha indeed great :)

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