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12:02 AM
@PeterGrill only 10th the number of verses (just to be kind) but they are all on the page
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\textheight\vsize\everypar{}\raggedbottom\def\2#1{#1#1}\parskip12
\p@ \def\normalsize{\escapechar \m@ne\error@fontshape\selectfont}
\normalsize\def\!#1#2#3{#2#1#3#1}\def \.{\!\${ gr\2}{\5{}bo\2tl}}
\def\g{\.\ifnum\count@=\@ne\else s\fi~}\def\5#1{n#1 }\parindent 0
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1\.\!a{  \0os\7lu }{\7i{\2c}\$nt}\2ly \9\2f  l,\\\advance \count@
 
@DavidCarlisle That runs much faster, same number of pages... So should I post a question and ask exactly what everything does in here? :-)
 
@PeterGrill tag it then @egreg will feel motivated to answer it:-)
@PeterGrill By far the hardest part is making things line up.
 
@DavidCarlisle And of course tikz (I don't know that there is not tikz code in there) so you can make progress towards that badge as well. :-)
@DavidCarlisle Seriously? What things were you trying to align?
 
@PeterGrill the right hand edge of the source (who cares about the output:-)
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@DavidCarlisle :-) I guess I have been looking to get alignment in all the wrong places.
 
 
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3:36 AM
I swear I'm going to murder somebody
how is this not valid?;
$$e^{\frac{9}{49}(3+e)^2}$$
@PeterGrill Help. me.
 
3:57 AM
@Gnintendo First, why are you using $$?
works fine for me. Your problem is elsewhere...
 
 
5 hours later…
9:20 AM
Hey
can some1 help me to prevent linebreak at \and command
?
 
@Stasik Iit only breaks if there isn't room for the names on a line, the default definition is
\def\and{%                  % \begin{tabular}
  \end{tabular}%
  \hskip 1em \@plus.17fil%
  \begin{tabular}[t]{c}}%   % \end{tabular}
@Stasik so you could put \nolinebreak before that \hskip but then you would get over-full boxes sticking in to the margin (otherwise it wouldn't have broken there anyway)
 
9:50 AM
no, it did the break even as there aws space
hmm
\author{x y \and y z* \and de\\
\thanks{This author was supported ...}
Chair of ...\\
... University\\
zip, country\\
\{mail1, mail2, mail3\}@mail.com\\
}
is completely broken, all the institute data is under the last author
 
10:04 AM
@Stasik article class \author is really very simple each author is just a tabular separated by a space so you need to put any thanks or address with that author. Most journal classes completely redesign it to work better for multiple author requirements but often then supply separate commands for \email and \address or whatever.
 
10:18 AM
ok, i just replaced the \and by \enskip
seems to be ok
 
11:07 AM
I wish I could answer a question like this: "Short answer: no. Long answer: noooooooooooooooooooooooooo." :)
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11:21 AM
@PauloCereda you could edit my height of current line answer
 
@DavidCarlisle <3
 
12:07 PM
hi
is there a way to cancel indention just for a couple of paragraphs
i was trying to use \paragraph{} but the vertical spaces between them are jsut too high
 
@Stasik Yes, put \noindent in front of them But don't do it: there's no reason for doing it.
I never found any good reason: can you think of one?
 
not really
well i want to simulate the behaviour of \paragraph{}
however, the vertical spaces between paragraphs are too big
and i am running into the page limit
:)
now simulate \paragraph{ by \vspace{1 ex} \noindent \textbf{
 
@Stasik \paragraph isn't for making paragraphs it is a sectioning command like \section and \subsection
 
12:23 PM
well i needed that exact bold block
i know what you mean
 
@Stasik if you do want paragraph in article class it is this so you can just change the spacing
\newcommand\paragraph{\@startsection{paragraph}{4}{\z@}%
                                    {3.25ex \@plus1ex \@minus.2ex}%
                                    {-1em}%
                                    {\normalfont\normalsize\bfseries}}
 
12:51 PM
Hi all. Can I have a quick question?
Probably it is very easy just I cannot figure out.
 
@nagylzs Hello! :) Fire away. :)
 
I have this fancy header setup.

\usepackage{fancyhdr}
\pagestyle{fancy}
\fancyhead[LO,RE]{\thepage}
\cfoot{}
\setlength{\headheight}{15pt}
It works fine, until I add the tkiz package:

\usepackage{tkz-kiviat,numprint,fullpage}
\usetikzlibrary{arrows}
After adding tkz, the header is off. There is no horizontal line, and page numbers appear again in the footer.
I have a strange error message at the end of xelatex run:

(\end occurred inside a group at level 1)

### semi simple group (level 1) entered at line 50 (\begingroup)
### bottom level

but there are no other error messages.
 
@nagylzs: Apparently, tikz is not the culprit, but fullpage.
 
Trying...
Yes, you are right.
But I need it for making diagrams.
Is it easy to fix?
It would be great to use all space on the page, not including the header and the footer.
So that is not a real "full page".
 
@nagylzs fullpage messes with all the page parameters globally so isn't likely to work with fancyhead especially if you load it afterwards, but unless your document is only pictures you don't want to change the layout globally do you? You can always have a picture of any size on any page, it isn't constrained to the margins
 
1:08 PM
Actually I need to display kiviat diagrams.
with the tkz-kiviat package.
Thank you for the answer. I'll be experimenting with that.
 
1:28 PM
There is another problem.

\usepackage{siunitx}
Test degree in normal mode {\degree} and $in math{\degree} mode $.
And here is a strange thing. ${\color{DarkBlue}0.9°}$

The first two degree signs are okay. The third one is replaced by a "ˇr" character.
 
@nagylzs Are you using the inputenc package?
 
Yes.
 
@nagylzs We would need a complete MWE. How is \degree defined?
 
Wait, no
The \degree is defined by the siunitx package.
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Q: Unicode degree symbol ° in math formulas: \textdegree invalid in math mode

MvGI'd like to be able to simply input a degree symbol as ° in my source code. German keyboards have a key for this, and it makes the source so much more readable. I'm using pdflatex from TeXLive 2012, and this minimal reproducing example: \documentclass{article} \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} \usepac...

And sorry, I was wrong. No inputenc. I'm using xelatex with \usepackage{polyglossia}. The source tex files are in UTF-8.
 
@nagylzs \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} should do the trick.
 
1:35 PM
@NicolaTalbot not with xetex
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh, I didn't know that. What's the equivalent with xetex?
(I rarely use xetex.)
 
@NicolaTalbot xetex just is utf8 so if you feed it inputenc it re-encodes utf8 into an ascii 7bit tex representation of utf8 and confuses things:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh that's dirty. I like it.
 
I can confirm, if I add " \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} " then I get error messages. :-)
 
Anyone understand CSL? What's a good SE site to ask questions about it?
 
1:38 PM
@nagylzs are you using unicode-math ?
 
@DavidCarlisle Ooh, you learn something new every day!
 
I'm not using unicode-math. Should I
 
@nagylzs well if you want to put unicode characters in math, probably:-)
 
@Brent.Longborough can't stop laughing?
 
The strange thing is that \degree does work inside math mode. EXCEPT when it is inside a \color
The source file does not contain unicode chars in math mode. Only acii.
I can send a MWE
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1:41 PM
@nagylzs that would be odd (but this is tex so it doesn't mean it's not true:-) yes mwe woul dbe good
 
@PauloCereda Citation Style Langiuage - it's for those unfortunates who can't use TeX
 
@Brent.Longborough There's a mailing list at lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xbiblio-devel
 
@Brent.Longborough oh my! :) I think SO is the last resource for it. :(
 
@NicolaTalbot XeTeX is great (as is LuaTeX) - and you get fontspec!
@NicolaTalbot Thanks! but Oh dear, a mailing list in 2013?
 
Oh my, there's a strong speculation of the Brazilian cardinal Scherer being the next pope. :)
Brazilians everywhere.
Wrong smiley. :)
 
1:44 PM
@PauloCereda :-)
 
@PauloCereda Don't worry, since theologically speaking the Pope can only resign by being summoned home by his boss, Cardinal Scherer can at best be the next antipope
 
@Brent.Longborough ooh! Like a baus. :)
 
@NicolaTalbot Yes, took a look - my current problem doesn't involve TeX at all, regrettably, I need to tweak an actual CSL file. But thanks anyway. :)
 
@Brent.Longborough How's the format look like, by the way?
 
@DavidCarlisle Here is an MWE pastebin.com/A5qLbAeA
 
1:46 PM
@PauloCereda What, CSL?
 
@Brent.Longborough Yep. :) Habemus CSL. :)
 
@Brent.Longborough Since it's xml, Peter Flynn would probably know about it. He's on comp.text.tex but I don't know if he visits here.
 
@NicolaTalbot Oh no! XML! /runs
<3
 
@PauloCereda :-)
 
@PauloCereda Here's an example: Click here to install a bot
@NicolaTalbot OK :)
 
1:49 PM
:8369948 ! Undefined control sequence.
\degree ->\ERROR

l.83 ...normal mode {\degree} and $in math{\degree
                                                  } mode $.
?
[1] (./xec.aux) )
(\end occurred inside a group at level 1)
 
@PauloCereda We've been waiting for a new bishop for over 18 months now! I hope they're quicker about choosing a new pope.
 
@NicolaTalbot Oh my!
 
:8370004 I don't get that error. All I get is:

LaTeX Font Warning: Font shape `TS1/TimesNewRoman(0)/m/n' undefined
(Font)              using `TS1/cmr/m/n' instead
(Font)              for symbol `textdegree' on input line 1.

[1] (./test.aux)

LaTeX Font Warning: Some font shapes were not available, defaults substituted.

 )
(\end occurred inside a group at level 1)

### semi simple group (level 1) entered at line 50 (\begingroup)
### bottom level
gandalf@gandalf-HP-G62-Notebook-PC:~/aaa$ xelatex -version
XeTeX 3.1415926-2.2-0.9995.2 (TeX Live 2009/Debian)
kpathsea version 5.0.0
Copyright 2009 SIL International and Jonathan Kew.
There is NO warranty. Redistribution of this software is
covered by the terms of both the XeTeX copyright and
the Lesser GNU General Public License.
For more information about these matters, see the file
named COPYING and the XeTeX source.
Primary author of XeTeX: Jonathan Kew.
Compiled with ICU version 3.8.1 [with modifications for XeTeX]
 
@PauloCereda Perhaps someone's decided we're so well-behaved in East Anglia we don't need a shepherd ;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I get "undefined control sequence" when I remove "\usepackage{siunitx}".
 
1:55 PM
@NicolaTalbot ooh! :)
 
@NicolaTalbot more likely just that the powers that be forgot that bit sticking out into the north sea exists at all.
 
@nagylzs Here's what I'd call a MWE
\documentclass{article}

\usepackage[usenames,dvipsnames,svgnames,table]{xcolor}
\usepackage{amsmath}

\usepackage{fontspec}
\setmainfont{Times New Roman}

\usepackage{polyglossia}
\setmainlanguage{magyar}

\usepackage{siunitx}

\usepackage{hyperref,bookmark}

\newcommand{\degree}{\text{\textdegree}}

\begin{document}

Test degree in normal mode {\degree} and $in math\degree mode $.

And here is a strange thing. $0.9°$

\end{document}
 
@DavidCarlisle Everybody should move to this city:
The City of Carlisle () is a local government district of Cumbria, England, with the status of a city and non-metropolitan district. It is named after its largest settlement, Carlisle, but covers a far larger area which includes the towns of Brampton and Longtown, as well as outlying villages including Dalston, Scotby and Wetheral. The city has a population of 100,739,http://www.cumbriaobservatory.
:)
 
@egreg That is not the same. Instead of $0.9°$ you should have ${\color{DarkBlue}0.9°}$. You are right about the packages left out. Just I'm not familiar with xelatex, and I was not sure what packages are affecting each others behaviour. In many cases they do, and I did not want to leave out a package that I actually need.
 
@nagylzs The color makes no difference
 
2:00 PM
@egreg Well you say that, but it is not true. Let me upload an image
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes. We're on the route to nowhere here, so no one remembers us. Sob
 
@NicolaTalbot Here's what I get
 
@NicolaTalbot I'm in the middle of nowhere, don't worry. :)
 
 
2:03 PM
@PauloCereda It's quite fun being in the middle of nowhere (mostly!)
 
@NicolaTalbot Indeed. :)
 
@egreg All right then. Is this a problem with my installation? I'm going to try this at home too.
 
I've had another try at the hat. What do you think?
 
@nagylzs I suspect an encoding problem. Try retyping
 
@NicolaTalbot ooh it looks cooler!
 
2:04 PM
@egreg You mean, retype \degree ???
 
@nagylzs No, the ° symbol
 
ok
 
@PauloCereda Ah, thanks :-) I'm going to try printing the book out now. It's 160 pages, so it's smaller than the other one.
 
@NicolaTalbot Yay!
 
@NicolaTalbot That's nice, but as a PhD, shouldn't it be one of those hats that look like a Taliban omelette?
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2:06 PM
@NicolaTalbot My father's family come from Cromer (despite @PauloCereda claiming we come from the other end of the country so I used to know the Norfolk coast quite well)
 
@DavidCarlisle Aren't these places dangerous to get to? One has to cross Essex, no?
 
@NicolaTalbot If you need a longer book you can find the code to \unitlength green bottles in the transcript above
 
@DavidCarlisle I went over to Cromer last month. It's an easy drive but parking was a awful.
@DavidCarlisle :-)
@Brent.Longborough There be dragons ;-)
 
@Brent.Longborough Not if you are coming from Nottinghamshire, you just have to cross Lincolnshire
 
@Brent.Longborough Is that the floppy Henry VIII type?
 
2:10 PM
@NicolaTalbot No, I think not. Here in Abersychan there be dragons/dreigiau
 
I see a pattern! <noun>shire
 
@NicolaTalbot Yes, I think so.
@PauloCereda It's a trap for foreigners
 
@Brent.Longborough ooh!
I wanted to visit Whitechapel and buy some Jack The Ripper knife souvenir. :)
 
@PauloCereda The pronunciation is an even bigger trap ;-)
@PauloCereda But if you want The shire you have to grow hairy feet.
 
@NicolaTalbot I wish I had a British accent. :)
@NicolaTalbot LOL
 
2:13 PM
@egreg It does not work if I retype ° sign. But it does work if I use \degree. Possibly it would work with unicode-math package. But for some reason, that is not present on my system. Mistery solved, I guess. I'm going to use \degree everywhere. Sorry for being so hard-headed.
 
@PauloCereda Ah :-) Guess how the place "Norton Belleau" is pronounced in Norfolk.
 
@NicolaTalbot I have no idea! :)
 
@PauloCereda But that pattern is only followed in the shire counties, except it's not followed consistently there and it's also followed in some other places not normally considered to be shire counties.
 
@PauloCereda "Blo'Nortun" :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot Here's an example of the Oxford Taliban
 
2:15 PM
@Brent.Longborough Mushroom!
@NicolaTalbot Wow!
 
@PauloCereda Yes, on reflection, I think the hat will detract from the beauty of Nicola's parrot.
 
@Brent.Longborough I think that's actually nicer (and more comfortable) than the mortar board.
@Brent.Longborough Ah, that's sweet :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot Have you considered a propellor beanie, instead?
 
@Brent.Longborough lol !
 
@NicolaTalbot Or perhaps a derivative of this:
 
2:20 PM
@PauloCereda Here's another one: "Tivetshall" is pronounced "Titsorl".
@Brent.Longborough Oh weird!
 
@NicolaTalbot Wow!
 
@NicolaTalbot We have those sorts of pronunciation problem all the time here in Wales
 
@Brent.Longborough I remember having problems with that went I went to Snowdon on a geography field trip when I was in the sixth form.
 
(A song of patriotic prejudice, by Flanders and Swann)
 
@PauloCereda :-) Here's another good one:
 
2:33 PM
@NicolaTalbot LOL
 
@PauloCereda They were renamed in this way after the LOTR movie for marketing purposes.
 
@StephanLehmke aaaah! :)
 
@PauloCereda Oh, and Norwich rhymes with porridge :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot It's getting even more difficult. :)
Speaking of accents, @JosephWright and @Brent's are very nice! :)
 
@PauloCereda I'll have to see if I can make the next UK TUG meeting.
 
2:42 PM
@NicolaTalbot Cool! :) It will be awesome!
 
@JosephWright is supposed to have a good accent and a correct English, since he's a lecturer
 
@tohecz Yes, he's speaks clearly at the UK TUG training days. Me, I speak too fast and can't say "backslash" without tripping over the "b".
 
@NicolaTalbot ...Sorry, I was fighting a bit of XML. It takes longer to get to Snowdon from here that int doe to get to London... It's all the up-and-down bits, I guess.
@PauloCereda Well, I don't know about that. In Brazil, all my friends used to say "you're not from around here, are you?"
 
@Brent.Longborough :)
 
@PauloCereda And I once overheard someone say that I spoke Received English with a Devon accent. (Note: not Devon**shire**)
Oh, bold doesn't work
 
2:55 PM
@Brent: surprisingly, I hear that a lot too, specially with my strong countryside accent. :)
@Brent.Longborough ooooh! :)
 
leo
Good morning!
 
@leo Lo :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot I'm trying to improve my Czech pronounciation. Actually, I improve my pronounciation in 3 languages now: I'm in France, and I'm regularly with British people here :)
 
3:12 PM
@PauloCereda It's much simpler around here, just a simple rule "don't pronounce ces unless you want to sound like a tourist" Bicester-> Bister Gloucester -> "Gloster" Towcester -> toaster etc.
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah! :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Birmingham -> Bingham oh sorry, there's no "cer" :p
 
3:26 PM
@DavidCarlisle Except for 'Cirencester'
 
@Brent.Longborough That's English: exceptions, exceptions, exceptions ;p
 
@tohecz Yep, totally irregular.
 
@percusse: Wow, 2nd top voter of all times! Congrats!
 
@Brent.Longborough yeah. If Czech people had to vote for a world's language no. 1, I think it would be Spanish. It is really easy for us
@PauloCereda ... says his only remaining rival :D
 
@tohecz We are the voting squad! /cool jazz theme playing in the background
 
3:29 PM
@PauloCereda oh Jazz /me melts
 
@percusse: ^^
 
leo
I have asked the thing:
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Q: Getting a random sublist from a given list

leoThe etoolbox package provides macros to handle list, which can be useful to package/class writers, however it miss macros to get random sublists. So I want to define the following macros: \getrandomsublist{<to store list macro>}{<sublist length>}{<list macro>} \getrandomsublis...

 
3:48 PM
@Brent.Longborough well obviously cirenter would sound silly:-)
 
Yay, I've registered an ISBN for "Using LaTeX to Write a PhD Thesis". The end is in sight! :-)
 
@leo Did you see this one?
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A: Selecting random elements from a comma separated list

egregHere's a version with xparse and LaTeX3 code, with the help of the random.tex file by D. Arsenau \documentclass{article} \usepackage{xparse} \input{random} \ExplSyntaxOn \NewDocumentCommand{\htguse}{ m } { \use:c { htg_arg_#1: } } \NewDocumentCommand{\selectNrandom}{ m m m } { \htg_selec...

 
leo
@egreg no yet. I'll see it :-)
 
leo
4:05 PM
Thanks!
I don't understand how it works. @egreg do you need the length of the list? Does the l3 list are like arrays so you can acces the elements of the list using an index? I mean, how did you solve the problem?
 
@leo The number of elements in the list is avaliable with \clist_count:n; so I compute it in order to set the limits for the random numbers.
 
leo
Okay
I see
 
leo
4:24 PM
Why the command \tomyinternallist does print the list?
 
4:46 PM
Any auctex experts here? How can I disable code highlighting in some environments (e.g. minted)?
 
@Flow Hello! :) Sorry, a humble Vim user here. :)
 
@PauloCereda Hello too. Np :)
 
5:43 PM
@leo Answer on line.
 
 
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7:20 PM
@DavidCarlisle No, it would be 'çister'
 
leo
7:50 PM
what exactly is \numexpr?
 
What a disaster:
0
Q: General Formatting Problems

Stefan89I have started to learn LaTeX on my own, but as you will see the general formatting has lots of mistakes. I have tried my best but would really appreciate some help, here is the text: \documentclass[a4paper]{article} \usepackage[german]{babel} \usepackage{datetime} \usepackage{amsmath} \title{Li...

 
8:05 PM
@Brent.Longborough I wonder where the OP learnt LaTeX.
 
@Brent.Longborough I guess "Here are hundred lines of bad code. What's wrong?" is not the desired kind of questions here :-)
 
8:24 PM
@leo it's an etex command for infix integer arithemetic
@NicolaTalbot from your book?
 
@DavidCarlisle Oooh! I hope not :-P
 
@DavidCarlisle You are mean. <3
 
@PauloCereda well you're a vi user so I don't care what you think
 
@DavidCarlisle Ouch. That hurts! :)
 
@PauloCereda M-x doctor
 
8:52 PM
@DavidCarlisle I'm a vi user as well, so that's two against one :-P
 
@NicolaTalbot no neither of you count so it's 0 against 1 :-)
 
9:16 PM
@DavidCarlisle :-P
\documentclass{article}

\usepackage{tikz}

\begin{document}

\begin{tikzpicture}[thick]
\draw (0,2) -- ++(1,-2) -- ++(1,2)
      ++(1,0) -- ++(0,-2);
\draw (0,-1) -- ++(1,-2) -- ++(1,2) -- ++(1,-2) -- ++(1,2)
      ++(2,0) -- ++(-1,0) -- ++(0,-2) -- ++(1,0) ++(0,1) -- ++(-1,0);
\draw (0,-4) -- ++(0,-2) -- ++(1,0)
      ++(2,1) circle (1) ++(2,1) -- ++(1,-2) -- ++(1,2)
      ++(2,0) -- ++(-1,0) -- ++(0,-2) -- ++(1,0) ++(0,1) -- ++(-1,0);
\draw[rounded corners] (0,-7) -- ++(1,-1.25) -- ++(1,1.25) ++(-1,-1.25) -- ++(0,-0.75)
 
@NicolaTalbot fortunately I can't do tikz so I can't read that.
 
leo
\documentclass{article}

\usepackage{etoolbox}

%% stores the list length for later use
\newcounter{listlengthregister}
\newcommand{\listlength}[1]{%
	\setcounter{listlengthregister}{0}%
	\forlistloop{%
		\stepcounter{listlengthregister}%
	}{#1}
}

%% ___________________ Miscelaneous Commands for Test Porpuses ____________________

%% \tointernallist{<internal list>}{<csv list>}
\newcommand{\tointernallist}[2]{%
	\forcsvlist{\listgadd{#1}}{#2}%
}


%% print internal list
\newcommand{\printinternallist}[1]{%
I wonder why this print the list items. Is that a bug?
no isn't I understand now
 
9:32 PM
@StefanKottwitz In general, I agree with that, but the OP appeared to be so lost I took pity, as he only had 1 karma point.
@NicolaTalbot Obviously not from your book :)
 
@leo \listgadd{#1}{#2}, perhaps.
 
@leo Not, it's not a bug. The last thing in the first argument of \forlistloop should take an argument. Since you haven't got that, it just displays what would get invoked as the argument.
\makeatletter
\newcommand{\listlength}[1]{%
        \setcounter{listlengthregister}{0}%
        \forlistloop{%
                \stepcounter{listlengthregister}%
         \@gobble
        }{#1}
}
\makeatother
@Brent.Longborough :-)
@DavidCarlisle Oh, excuses ;-P
 
leo
@egreg no that works fine
 
@leo You might also want an extra % to suppress unwanted space:
 
leo
@NicolaTalbot just realized. What is @gobble?
 
9:37 PM
\makeatletter
\newcommand{\listlength}[1]{%
        \setcounter{listlengthregister}{0}%
        \forlistloop{%
                \stepcounter{listlengthregister}%
         \@gobble
        }{#1}%
}
\makeatother
@leo It discards it's argument.
 
leo
:-)
@NicolaTalbot didn't know such a thing does exist!
 
@leo I'll stay with LaTeX3. Much easier.
 
@leo There are various commands like that, such as \@gobbletwo, \@secondoftwo etc (I can't remember them all properly.) You can find them in the source2e documentation.
 
@leo It's used in 42 lines of latex.ltx. The number should say something. :)
 
leo
@egreg How can I learn it? Just reading the manuals? does it makes the programming easy? :-)
 
9:40 PM
grep -c '\@gobble[^a-z]' $(kpsewhich latex.ltx)
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm an emacs user, so 0 against 2
 
leo
@egreg And I'm just starting. At the end I'll get a lot more code than that in your answer
 
@leo Try texdoc source2e but it's not easy reading as it's just the documented source.
 
leo
@NicolaTalbot LaTeX3?
 
@leo No, that's the LaTeX2e kernel source. Here's a link to using texdoc: dickimaw-books.com/latex/novices/html/texdoc.html
 
9:43 PM
@leo profs.scienze.univr.it/~gregorio/introtex.pdf It's in Italian, but perhaps you can understand it.
 
@leo source2e is the source of latex2e (the documented latex3 sources are also available of course) personally I find it easier just to always have a copy of latex.ltx in my emacs buffer, which is the same as source2e but without the documentation bits.
 
leo
@egreg I guess so :-)
 
@leo My PhD advisor at a conference said (in Italian): "Better speaking good Italian than bad English" and delivered his lecture in Italian.
 
!!/choose vi, vi, vi, emacs, vi, vi
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@PauloCereda is Psmith on holiday?
 
@NicolaTalbot Psmith has the flu (he's never here when @PauloCereda isn't here in any case)
 
9:46 PM
@DavidCarlisle @Paulo will have to give him a hot water bottle and tuck him up in bed.
 
@NicolaTalbot Psmith says emacs
 
leo
@egreg cool
 
@DavidCarlisle No, I think Psmith is faking flu as he doesn't want to be seen taking sides.
 
leo
Sometimes it is better to do full translation than have a bunch of un-understable broken english
 
@leo Anyway, in the book you find \@gobble, \@firstofone, \@firstoftwo and \@secondoftwo.
!!/eightball Does Psmith have flu?
 
9:50 PM
@NicolaTalbot: Oh sorry, I need to reinstall my local server in order to run Psmith. :)
@egreg Maybe. :)
 
@PauloCereda Oh, poor Psmith. It must be tiring for him having to answer lots of silly questions :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot :)
 
I'll be glad when I've finished this LaTeX book. I want to go back to playing with the duck book.
 
@NicolaTalbot It will be a great book! :)
 
@PauloCereda Aw, thanks. Do you want to see the dedication page?
 
9:55 PM
@NicolaTalbot oh my! Can I?
 
@PauloCereda Okay. It's still a work in progress but here's the gist of it:
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What d'you think?
 
@NicolaTalbot awwww <3 But I don't think I deserve to be mentioned. :)
It's very cute!
 
@PauloCereda Ah, but it's based on your duck and arara :-)
 
leo
@egreg thanks :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot awww <3
The illustrations seem very nice! Magdalene is very talented!
 
10:08 PM
@PauloCereda Yes, she is :-) I'm going to see her tomorrow and chat some more about ducks, araras and other Amazonian animals :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot Yay!
 
10:45 PM
stop looking at it if you can.
 
@percusse Should I flag it as offensive? ;-) To my eyes, it is. :)
 
leo
11:03 PM
lol
 
11:21 PM
@percusse That's hideous!
@leo For your random list thing, have you had a look at the probsoln code for randomly selecting from a list of labels?
 
@PeterGrill Ping?
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel Hellow
Got stucl with one comment per 15 seconds in responding to your comment after percusse's
@percusse That is evil..
 
11:40 PM
@PeterGrill Alright, I have read "specified" totally wrong. (I've deleted my comments to tidy up.)
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel Ok, I have deleted mine as well, but hope someone else does not have the same confusion
 
leo
@Nicola Talbot No. But I will :-)
 

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