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12:34 AM
@PeterGrill Another workflow option is to make a /.is choice key set and set a default.
Then you can make hollow solid etc as valid choices
 
1:12 AM
@percusse You want to add that as an answer? I am not that literate keys.
 
 
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9:45 AM
New on CTAN/TeX Live: lisp-on-tex. "LISP on TeX is a LISP interpreter written only with TeX macros." :)
Now we can implement Emacs in TeX
 
@egreg :-)
 
10:06 AM
/me skips the second and third talk at the DANTE conference
I hope I don't get expelled for that
 
@topskip DANTE conference?
 
@JosephWright We are now all in Gießen, Germany, listening (or not listening) to talks
 
@topskip Ah, cool
 
Currently "graphics with metapost" (in German though)
 
@topskip I've always wanted to go to Gießen
 
10:12 AM
But next will be Mari Voipio: Entry-level MetaPost (in English)
 
@topskip What are you talking about, then?
 
@JosephWright nothing. First conference in a loooooong time where I don't talk about anything
 
@topskip Sorry, wrong star, the mouse slipped.
 
@topskip Ah, just taking useful notes :-)
@egreg Should I unstar?
 
@topskip Please, ensure that the gmp package is mentioned. ;-)
 
10:13 AM
@JosephWright well, yes, sort of :)
 
@JosephWright Yes, please.
 
@egreg I admit I won't be listening to the metapost talks
 
@egreg First time I've used that particular mod power :-)
@topskip I have to say I'd probably be the same: I normally only skim TUGBoat articles on MetaPost
 
I still need to keep my promise to write a TUGBoat article for being a tex.sx TUG member
 
@topskip: Uwe Ziegenhagen will talk about arara, I guess. :)
 
10:23 AM
@PauloCereda I don't know. I think he'll talk about sphinx-doc.org
 
@topskip Oh.
 
11:03 AM
Did other people get the e-mail about the blog back-end?
 
@JosephWright I got one.
I'm about to reply it pretty soon. :)
 
@PauloCereda I guessed it went to everyone on the blog
 
@JosephWright I think so.
 
11:18 AM
@JosephWright Got one, and replied. I guess the pertinent bits of my reply were: Don't flood us with irrelevant content, so if there's to be some sharing make it so that we can approve shares (at both ends), and don't - whatever they do - allow voting on posts or comments.
 
@AndrewStacey Yes, voting does seem redundant here
@AndrewStacey I'm also not really sure about the sharing
 
@AndrewStacey My thoughts exactly. :)
 
@JosephWright I can see some benefits to sharing, but not automatic sharing. As a positive example, my "I TeX therefore iPad" post could have been cross-posted with the apple crowd. But random acts of sharing make me shudder.
 
11:42 AM
For anyone curious about my latest retagging spree: I checked the "new tags" in the 10k-tools, and it turned out that one user had created a large number of redundant tags, e.g. (there's already ) and ( should suffice).
 
@lockstep In lockstep we trust. :)
 
 
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1:12 PM
Yay! Marc is back answering:
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A: TikZ coordinate calculations

Marc van DongenThe following should do the trick. You can compute values and assign them to macros. \documentclass{article} \usepackage{tikz} \usetikzlibrary{calc} \begin{document} \begin{tikzpicture} \foreach \x in {1,2,3} { \coordinate (V\x) at ($(\x-1,0)$); } \foreach \x [evaluate=\x as ...

 
@AndrewStacey Yay!
 
kan
@Paulo Some tips for you so that Psmith returns to Typografia soon from the Hospital at Oxford: here. :)
 
1:29 PM
@PauloCereda Actually, looking at his activity then he's been back for a little while. That's just the first I've noticed.
 
@kan Cool! :)
 
kan
@PauloCereda Ronnies are brilliant. Does Psmith have any such complaints?
 
@AndrewStacey Check mail. :)
 
1:53 PM
This is my message of peace and love for the whole world: it's 2013, can we at least agree in using one single charset?
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kan
@PauloCereda :)
 
2:13 PM
@PauloCereda everyone use ASCII ?
 
@DavidCarlisle Yep. :)
 
2:33 PM
ooh @topskip is tweeting from the meeting! :)
 
2:58 PM
TL?
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Q: Latex bibiography on Fedora 18

NoorI'm using texmaker I'm getting a problem, my citations are not being generated in spite of me putting the citations, here is my LaTeX file: \documentclass{article} \begin{document} \bibliographystyle{plain} As well as having written a book on this topic~\cite{Conway2000}, he...

 
@PauloCereda Dupe, I imagine
 
@PauloCereda I think so - we have seen this type of question many times before
 
@JosephWright, @AndrewSwann: maybe dupe is better. :)
 
@PauloCereda Agreed - Joseph is (w)right - just looking for a dupe
 
@AndrewSwann ooh! :D
 
3:04 PM
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A: LaTeX stopped building a BibTeX bibliography, how to troubleshoot it?

AntSummarised (and expanded) from comments above: BibTeX uses the aux file written by LaTeX (showing where you want to cite what) together with a bst file (containing stylistic information - such as plain.bst) and a bib file (containing bibliographic information about any document you might want to...

Perhaps?
 
@JosephWright Good call.
 
@JosephWright It looks like the best to hand.
 
@AndrewSwann We perhaps need a better 'LaTeX, BibTeX, LaTeX, LaTeX' question!
 
@JosephWright I have a feeling I have seen one, but can't track it down, unlike the the momarable "biblatex for idiots" ...
 
@JosephWright I could write an arara rule named magic. :)
Then:
% arara: magic
does the trick. :)
 
3:12 PM
@PauloCereda its called latexmk here
 
@AndrewSwann Oh. :(
 
@PauloCereda but arara is still useful - I now wirite % arara: lualatexmk often just so to get lualatex automatically on the appropriate file.
 
@AndrewSwann Oh. :)
 
@JosephWright @PauloCereda What about
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Q: Question mark instead of citation number

user16747I've browsed the forums and found a number of posts that have addressed this issue, but none of the solutions seem to work for me. I have the following script that I just copied from the bibtex home page to get familiar with it. Instead of the citation number I get a question mark. I compile usin...

 
@AndrewSwann Hm that looks great!
 
3:18 PM
@AndrewSwann Excellent
 
@JosephWright I don't think I have the necessary permissions to add this link to the closed question - at least not the box at the top - can you do that?
 
@AndrewSwann I'll already changed the dupe link
 
@JosephWright Great - just had to refresh my page.
 
@JosephWright About the siunitx issue, I hope you don't take it too seriously. It's really a minor aesthetics issue.
 
@leo I was having a look at the automation question about the exclude questions used in previous years. I've got a sample file for probsoln that will do that called sample-exclude.tex but I'm not sure if it made its way onto CTAN. If you're interested I'll look it up.
 
3:37 PM
@JosephWright: Who's behind the "Community" moderator?
I suspect Community "takes the blame" for edits of unregistered users.
 
3:50 PM
@PauloCereda Yes
 
4:04 PM
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Q: different font family in math mode

LorenzoI would use two different fonts in math mode. My personal aim is to reach the results showed in the following picture (I took it from an italian website). In this picture, computer modern sans serif is used (in math mode, only in "Definizione" and "Esempi" environment), instead the text font, tha...

 
Shame seems like no tikz users are up to accepting a challenge:(
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A: How can I adjust the box around my equation?

David CarlisleSomeone is going to suggest a tikz box with multicoloured translucent rounded corners, but before they do I'll observe that \boxed is a thin wrapper around \fbox so you can use \setlength\fboxsep{...} to set the padding inside the box and \setlength\fboxrule{...} to set the line thickness.

 
has legitately been closed as a duplicate. I had answered this and the user wants to add some summary - see the final comment. How is this best acheived?
 
@AndrewSwann I suppose in theory the answer should go on the unclosed duplicate, but rephrasing it in that context might be more than OP wants to do, could just edit the question I suppose...
 
@DavidCarlisle OK - I'll suggest an edit to the question.
 
@DavidCarlisle Why not adding a local setting for those parameters?
 
4:44 PM
@egreg Because I'm too busy banging my head against the desk trying to make "microsoft help agent" work :-)
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4:55 PM
Yay, I've successfully uploaded the cover and interior for "Using LaTeX to Write a PhD Thesis". Now I just need to wait for the proof to arrive :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Well, op primarily asks for increased box size and thicker lines.
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel doing what the user asks? I'll never catch on.
 
kan
@PauloCereda No mac. :(
 
5:31 PM
@NicolaTalbot Hearty Congratulation madam, I have read your earlier document on phd thesis writing in latex, there is none available to help a novice and especially for a phd. I am really gratefull to you
 
@texenthusiast Thanks. Hopefully the new version will be ready soon.
 
@NicolaTalbot Cool
 
@JosephWright I've added a section on siunitx :-)
 
6:18 PM
@mafp Can you please address the issue here? I think there is a slight misunderstanding and as far as I can see easy to fix if we can keep our cool.
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Q: problem with possibly "not an answer" and downvoting

e-birk(Question 1 below is about "pure" LaTeX if you are not familar with LyX...) The TeX.SX question (my interpretation) Two years ago this question was asked. The title is "Use a quality glossary and acronym list in LyX". First the OP refers to Q&A on how to write a glossary and acronym list i...

 
@percusse I'll have a look.
 
 
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7:29 PM
ain't gettin wat dafuq da poynt on dis :P
 
7:49 PM
@PeterGrill do you live in a city?
 
@DavidCarlisle Huh??? I sense a joke coming?
Oh, you mean my color choices. :-)
 
@PeterGrill I just wondered if you'd ever actually seen a forest of trees?
 
Yeah they are horrible, but that is the OP's job to choose them.
Did I perhaps interrupt a picture mode solution that you were coming up with?
 
Cotton sticks. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Ok, have updated the solution to add a note for you. :-)
 
8:01 PM
@PeterGrill As I saw:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle And I carefully hid your identity :-(
 
@PeterGrill good job this chat isn't archived in public then....
 
:-) I think after 30 days it gets purged..
 
Let $p$ and $q$ be I'm in UK and Colorful trees, with $p \rightarrow q$. I'm in UK. Therefore, colorful trees! :)
 
@PauloCereda :-) You logic is impeccable, now we can blame @DavidCarlisle for the color choices.
@percusse I think the best one is that "___________" (saying nothing) is equivalent to "it is what it is"
 
8:14 PM
@PeterGrill I'm a Vim user, therefore I'm always wrong. :) <- @DavidCarlisle
 
@PauloCereda Not sure if it came up in the interview, so not sure if this is old new, but I actually thought I made a mistake once, but I was wrong.
 
8:27 PM
@PauloCereda In the UK we know about the letter u
 
@DavidCarlisle colourful? :)
 
What is the inverse of \boldmath\bfseries? That is, what is the \XXX in "A \boldmath\bfseries\XXX B$C$" that will yields the same as "A B$C$"?
These seems so obvious, but...
 
@PeterGrill \mathversion{normal}\seriesdefault\selectfont
 
@DavidCarlisle Ok, so it wasn't as obvious as I thought.. Thanks...
 
@PeterGrill usually you want \normalfont or \reset@font rather than \seriesdefault\selectfont but they reset all the attributes not just series
\DeclareRobustCommand\normalfont
                 {\usefont\encodingdefault
                          \familydefault
                          \seriesdefault
                          \shapedefault
                  \relax}
 
8:38 PM
Ok, will try that btu was running into some \protect issue with the earlier version.. Probably should post a question...
Still get \protect issue -- composing MWE...
 
Does search on the site only search for tags? I thought it was full text. But a search for "gender" yields nothing, yet doing the same in Google yields a bunch of questions. It seemed similar searches worked before.
 
@PeterGrill possibly because it wasn't as correct as it could have been \fontseries{\seriesdefault}\selectfont sets the series to n which is what you want \seriesdefault\selectfont typesets n then sets the font to whatever it currently is, which is perhaps not so useful.
 
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Q: Beginner Q: Can I change the language the commands are written in to British English?

seamstressHi basically I am a newbie to this software, just getting the hang of the basics but I found that all the commands are in american english. Is there something I can use, download or one of these 'package' things that can change this for me?

 
@AlanMunn searching for foo seems to return general text, perhaps gender hits a safe filter??
 
Apart from 'colour' and its associates, are there any other commands that are disctinctly American?
 
8:43 PM
@AlanMunn CENTER (accounted for 90% of my errors in the first year I used latex)
 
@AlanMunn That sure seems like a bug to me. Searching for "[gender]" should search the tag, "gender" should search the word.
 
@AlanMunn 'Merica!
:)
 
gendre
 
@AlanMunn Besides gray, grey (again color related), I can't think of one...
 
centre
 
8:45 PM
:)
 
The /s/z/ thingy
Madonna
 
Another question deleted (new user), that should have been marked as a duplicate:
 
soccer
football
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah, yes. I forgot about that. I'm so used to both spellings. In my code comments and documentation I have stuff like "the command \barcolor sets the colour of the bar." :)
 
cricket
baseball
McDonalds
 
8:47 PM
@PauloCereda Huh? I did not know there was a soccer environment or macro? Is there a sports pacakge I am not aware of?
 
Chega. :)
 
@AlanMunn Sim senhor. :)
 
My favorite is it's SHIPment regardless of the the means of travel other than ships involved, but CARgo if it's anything but cars :)
 
@DavidCarlisle If 'gender' is on the safe filter, so is 'taxonomic' ...
I've posted a meta question reporting the supposed bug.
 
@AlanMunn I suspect the framework has a "search index" (not a full text search) which is not working like it should. :)
 
9:08 PM
@AlanMunn Wow... and this even from their suggestion via Google at the bottom of the resultant search.
 
@DavidCarlisle Found the \protect issue (was also applying your fix as a parameter to description. But after fixing that, it seems as both versions had no effect. But have decided to define a * version of my environment instead so I don't need that "inverse" functionality... But, if you think it is useful to others I can certainly post a question as I have the MWE ready.
 
@Werner Yes, exactly!
It's really annoying, because now it's really hard to reliably find duplicates.
 
@AlanMunn ...it's not that you went at it in a round-about way. They suggest it; it's superior, so Why-The-Face?
 
Hello
 
@tohecz reporting from prague?
 
9:19 PM
@percusse yes
 
@tohecz cool!
 
@percusse yes, cool, definitely :)
 
@tohecz :-)
 
sorry, I'm not exactly in the right mood to chat about my travel ...
 
@tohecz no problem
 
9:24 PM
@Werner: Your answer is not useless. It answers the question that should really have been asked (how to get the label to fit) and furthermore fixes the math spacing.. I'd recommend undeleting it. I didn't post the flalign as it still has a issue with math spacing...
 
@PeterGrill Thanks; I've question the OP's intent with the spaces, since "it don't look nice." :)
@PeterGrill ...and the OP's comment makes it clear that I don't know what I'm doing:
Because this should model the guard notation of programming languages like Haskell and the right = has a different meaning then the left. It's basically a case environment in reverse. — neo 1 min ago
...= and = have different meanings...
 
@Werner Wow, a case where = \not= = :-)
@AlanMunn Wow!! Quite clever.
 
@AlanMunn wow. it is indeed
 
@PeterGrill Well, technically, {=} \neq {=} or {=} \not= {=}. :)
 
9:32 PM
@PeterGrill all the font commands are supposed to be robust so there should not be a problem with \protect
 
@Werner Yes, that seems more correct. :-)
@DavidCarlisle Oppss, the supposed "protect" problem was coming from the fact that the \NotBoldItems was also be passed as \begin{description}[\NotBoldItems] (dues to how the parameter was begin passsed). Once I fixed that then it compiled, but the macros had no effect. Output was still in bold.
 
@PeterGrill I'm really curious what your end product is judging from the questions you ask and the interview details. :)
 
@percusse True dat.
 
9:47 PM
@Werner search for user:me i did for you and it got 5 answers. Something's terribly wrong
 
@percusse Hilarious and wrong, all at once.
 
@percusse Oh oh, it may not be as earth shattering as you think.. Most of my questions are due to my own ways of thinking and organizing things.. There might be easier ways, but I don't know them, so I come up with my own...
 
Honestly, I was expecting Meta.SO to be inundated with questions regarding such a bug...
 
@Werner Well I get 6 for Werner, but I on;y get 3 results for "user:me is:answer. But egreg returns 8... Where'd all the answers go?
 
@PeterGrill well I'm not impressed :P no seriously, i'm just curious ... and patient :)
 
9:55 PM
@percusse well I am telling everyone that the first app is coming out in 2013 (I need a deadline so now I have one). There is other stuff in the works that will definitely not make it out this year, so am hoping that is done in 2014 sometime... Hmmm, I guess this would be a good place to ask for beta testers. That way not only could OI get feedback on math, but also the typography.. Of course I need to start including the \iftoggle{egregmode} soon... :-)
 
@PeterGrill haha, good luck with that.
hopefully i'll buy a smart phone in the meantime to test it out
 
@percusse What the beta testers, or egregmode? :-) I just really need to change the square root sign...
@percusse or iPad, or ipod touch...
 
@PeterGrill android?
 
@DavidCarlisle Haven't made any final decision yet -- focusing on iOS for now, but the app part is separate from the content. Might do both in parallel if I can find the right person, but otherwise android will come after iOS.
 
@PeterGrill oh well I'll have to wait then:-)
 
10:08 PM
@DavidCarlisle Nahhh... I you were interested in beta testing, previewing, I WILL find a way...
 
@PeterGrill no promises:-)
@PeterGrill will the graphics involve trees?
 
@DavidCarlisle :-) Ok, I will add a \iftoggle{carlislemode}` to take out the trees. :-) or at least give them more forestry colors
 
10:46 PM
@Werner The flalign questioner seems not to be aware that geometry changes page parameters.
 
@egreg oops sorry I just answered a tables question:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle And even got a green tick!
 
@egreg has it? ooh I''ll look
 
@DavidCarlisle Just to be fussy, I'd use $'$ and $''$ rather than \prime
 
@egreg yes I wondered about commenting on that he used ^\circ but unraised primes which looks a bit odd.
 
10:51 PM
@DavidCarlisle A bit? ;-) Typical English understatement.
 
@egreg I added a comment
 
11:06 PM
Does anyone know what's happening with the StackExchange Clearbits torrents? It seems to be late...?
@AlanMunn Do you know whether this is specific to TeX.SE? A search on Meta.SO and SO seems to be bug-free.
Don't worry, the following question address this:
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Q: Regular Stack Exchange Data Dumps

Thomas OwensThe Stack Exchange Data Explorer (SEDE) is now updated on a weekly basis. It would be nice if all of that public data was made accessible off-line on a regular and consistent basis. The SEDE says that the release occurs every three months, but the last release was in August 2012 (almost four mont...

 
@Werner I haven't tested on other sites. It's tricky, because some searches do come up, so it's not obvious how to find words to test with. I looked for words that I knew weren't tags, but I also knew were in the list of questions or answers.
 
@AlanMunn I tried user:me (which yields all posts; answers + questions) and verified this in my profile on TeX.SE (which doesn't work) and on Meta.SO/SO (which worked).
 
@DavidCarlisle Two to go, anyway. :)
 
@Werner Ah, ok that's another way. Doing that on english.se and apple.se (the only other sites I have activity on) yields a correct result.
 
@AlanMunn Wow! English.se? :)
I thought you were in La Résistance. :)
 
11:22 PM
@PauloCereda why're you surprised?
and btw, Hi!
 
@tohecz I'm surprised? Oh my! :)
Hi! :)
 
@PauloCereda Well I have managed to stay away pretty much. Every so often I look in and get annoyed at the answers and feel obliged to throw in my linguist's 2¢, which is generally not appreciated.
 
@AlanMunn :) I'm still trying to resist joining Programmers.se for the same reason. :)
 
@tohecz Imagine a site on, say, Chemistry, where everyone thinks they know the answers to things because they use chemicals every day.
 
@AlanMunn oh you speak about math.SE! :D :P
 
11:32 PM
@tohecz Which is not such a pleasant place to stay. Many answer in a rush, with very low quality. On the other hand several answers are very good.
 
@egreg that's what I tried to point out ;)
 
@egreg Yeah, that pretty much sums up english.se as well.
 
@AlanMunn btw, my only question there was closed (I sorta agree with that), but the comments are sometimes hilarious
 
@tohecz True. It's tricky to decide things like that; 'pal' I think is on its way out independent of its formality. I don't have much intuition about that.
 
@AlanMunn but as I say, the comments are a fun. Pointing me to the FAQ according to which the question is on-topic ;)
 
11:46 PM
@tohecz Yes, for sure.
 
Hi everyone - I've just seen the announcement at Electronics SX that CircuitLabs (an online circuit schematic designer) is now integrated into their site. A precedent for an online LaTeX compiler (e.g. writeLaTeX) to be integrated into TeX SX? I'm one of the devs at writeLaTeX, and would welcome a discussion with one of the TeX SX devs on how we could work together to make this a reality.
 
@JohnHammersley In what sense "integrated"?
 
@JohnHammersley pros/cons versus LaTeXML?
 
So on Electronics SX, there's now a way to open circuit labs, work up a schematic, and post back into a SX answer. As recently demonstrated on LaTeX-Community.org, it would be possible to have an "Open in writeLaTeX" button on a code box, so that code examples can be edited, and the corrected/enhanced code posted as an answer
 
It looks like it would be useful for producing the screenshots that people often upload with their MWE's
 
11:49 PM
(this is an earlier discussion on meta: meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/3164/…)
 
Whereas LaTeXML would be more useful for producing inline markup
 
one advantage is the ability to have an environment for collaborative editing of the code, to iterate through to the preferred/best answer
 
@JohnHammersley One thing is for sure: We do not want any tool that tries to compile any code in the post.
 
Do you mean collaborative real time editing?
 
and yes, instant screenshots are a bonus
@tohecz - this would all be compiled on the writeLaTeX servers
(so no risk to SX)
 
11:52 PM
(and if you asked me for my personal opinion, I'm strongly against such features. More features => more questions about these features)
 
heh
 
@JohnHammersley no, I mean, if I post any TeX code, I do not want any software to do whatever to my post.
 
Like the technology-oriented version the anti-Eternal September strategy of HackerNews :)
keep it simple
I think having an easy way to generate/paste screenshots would be great
But doesn't immediately have to be "integrated" into the site
As long as images are easily produced by the "upstream" site (in this case, writeLaTeX)
 
@tohecz - so one way this could work is if someone posts code that doesn't work as a question, an expert can easily open that code in an online LaTeX editor to work out what is wrong and correct it, then post the solution as a new answer (with screenshot)
 
@JoeCorneli you have to consider many things, that make me be against such a thing. It's useful for answers mostly, and everyone who posts answers should be able to generate an image of it himself.
 
11:55 PM
+1
 
@JohnHammersley yes, but he can do it without any modification to the site, right?
 
I think if anything was going to be integrated, it would be a clipboard feature
then the user can decide what to do with the clipped content
 
so at the moment he has to go to e.g. writeLaTeX in a new tab, create a new document, then cut and paste the code
this would essentially be streamlining that into one click
 
Hello, friends! Nice to see you guys around. :)
 
@JoeCorneli which means that the TeX.SE editor design will feature it? No, nothing I would like to have. Still, I don't represent the community ;) So my first question is: will I be allowed to opt it out completely?
 
11:56 PM
Hi @PauloCereda
 
@tohecz - it wouldn't be in the editor, but rather a Javascript feature on top of code blocks
 
For interest, this is how the CircuitLabs integration works:
 
(in the way I'm imagining it)
 
that's a good thought on how to do it @JoeCorneli - I agree it's best to keep things as simple as possible
 
My 2¢: I think a nice meta post could be written about proposing the integration of writeLaTeX to the TeX.sx community. I think it's a nice way of letting the community speak for itself and give feedback on what to go from now on.
 
11:58 PM
@JoeCorneli ok, then whatever, 10 or 15 buttons in the toolbar, I don't care. I just know I don't look for such a feature.
 
(as another example, this is how it works on LaTeX-Community:)
@PauloCereda this post generated a decent amount of votes:
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A: Link to online LaTeX compiler

Stefan KottwitzI think we could get a useful addition, requiring only few work and without a security risk to our site, which is always to consider for online compilers. What we would get: One-click preview Fast testing and solving problems without a local TeX installation Actually working with site's TeX co...

 
yes I think that illustrates the point that it would be best to start with select all
 
In the worst scenario, someone could come up with a browser extension/plugin which does the tool integration, per user.
 

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