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1:27 AM
If I want to use an acronym for something later in a document, how should I first indicate the acronym
put the acronym in parenthesis after the first use of the word?
 
 
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2:33 AM
What is going on here? I posted a question over 2 minutes ago and I still don't have an answer!! :-)
 
@PeterGrill +1 for your question- can you provide the code that produces the figures
 
@cmhughes Ok that explains it!! I changed processes for posting and hence the screw up!! That'll teach me to switch from Mac to PC
 
@PeterGrill thanks... will look at it :)
@PeterGrill this is what I get
 
@cmhughes Dough!! I posted the wong code!! Ohgoing back to mac...
@cmhughes Have corrected. The AddLinkToFile was different for what I posted. Question has correct code now. Sorry about that.
 
@PeterGrill ok, got it
@PeterGrill is this one related?
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Q: \ref with tight box surrounding the reference

Leon LampretHow can I make the colored box around a reference appear completely tight? MWE: \documentclass[a4paper,twoside,openright,final,12pt]{book} \usepackage{etex} \usepackage[english]{babel} \usepackage[cp1250]{inputenc} \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} \usepackage{charter} \usepackage{amsmath} \usepackage{a...

sadly there's no answer though :)
 
2:52 AM
@cmhughes Hmmm. Does seem perhaps related. But in my case I just want the normal default spacing -- just don't want it stretching. that question seems to be about getting the box to be tighter.
 
what should I use for plural possession in LaTeX, ' or `?
 
@Gnintendo LaTeX's
 
?
elaborate?
oh
:P
the dogs' as well?
 
@Gnintendo Sorry don't know about dogs's, but since there is only ONE LaTeX, the question is simpler. I am not really an expert on grammar so that was just my guess.
 
@PeterGrill sorry, I have no idea how to fix the table thing.... interesting behaviour though!
 
3:03 AM
@cmhughes Thanks for trying. See my comment at the question where I found a manual solution -- by accident.
@Gnintendo Oh I see why you are asking. Becuase of the comment on tex.stackexchange.com/questions/75764/…. I don't know what the correct one there is.
 
4:01 AM
Does there exist a “You know your addicted to TeX.SE when you …”-list? :|
 
4:15 AM
@Qrrbrbirlbel Seems there are a few of us who need to start up at 12 step TeXaholics Anonymous program. :-) If we support each other we CAN break this addition.
 
@PeterGrill There is the first point of the list: I read CTAN instead of CAN -_-
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel :-) good one. Quoting Robert Rodrigous: " Are you TeX CTAN, or TeX CAN'T?
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"Are you one of those who CAN'T TeX, or CTAN TeX"?
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:)
This would make an even geekier t-shirt than "I am a LaTeX fetishist." :D
 
4:56 AM
I'm out. \bye
 
5:09 AM
Hey all
Anyone around?
 
 
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7:10 AM
EuroTeX 2012 starts now :)
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7:35 AM
@topskip Regular updates!
 
7:45 AM
the program is online: ntg.nl/eurotex2012/program.pdf
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Currently Kees van der Laan talks about PostScript. Some people might feel like its still the 90's (but the talk is very interesting)
He's talking about game typesetting in PostScript
(I still need to finish my talk for this afternoon)
 
@topskip A bit cheeky, I know, but if you talk to Hans or the GUST people could you mention that I'd appreciate seeing a copy of anything related to TeX Gyre
@topskip I think I will talk to the LaTeX3 team about putting some serious effort into getting someone along next year
 
@JosephWright That would be great! If it would be a problem of money (I don't know), I am sure that NTG or DANTE or both will help with a bursary
 
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Q: How to tag ConTeXt questions when the relavant tag is LaTeX specific

AdityaI wanted to add more tags to a ConTeXt question. The question is asking how to get the number of current itemization in a margin. In ConTeXt, itemizations are equivalent to the itemize as well as enumerate environments in LaTeX. So, the relevant tags are: lists, enumerate, and itemize. This is wh...

@topskip Money not a problem (I believe), more a question of time and planning. The key thing is to get it into the 'diary' so we remember about it. I suspect I won't be able to manage it (university term time), but will try to convince Frank or Bruno
On the meta question: I'd say we should generalise the tags, but I'm no tagging expert
@topskip I actually don't know how much money the team has :-)
 
8:13 AM
@JosephWright But even then, I guess that DANTE would be happy to give some money to the L3 group if we get an article for the DTK and a presentation on a conference. Seriously: we have "enough" money and our goal is to bring TeX forward. So if money can help, we fulfill our purpose
 
@topskip Understood. As I said, money tends not to be the issue: after all, travel for most of the team to a European destination is not so bad (OK, Will is miles away)
For those of you who don't follow c.t.t.: Nicola Talbot has updated here 'LaTeX for novices' guide, and moved it to her new website: dickimaw-books.com/latex/novices
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8:33 AM
... now Jano Kula on generating barcodes, tables and beautiful complex layout for individual tshirts, packaging and listings with ConTeXt. Also very impressive
 
9:04 AM
next talk: Mari Voipio TeXtile crafts (whatever that will be, I an curious)
 
Live from EuroTeX, our correspondent Patrick "@topskip" Gundlach is in Breskens, the Netherlands, to cover all fantastic keynotes and news from the European TeX world
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@topskip: is there any duck in your keynote? <3
 
9:27 AM
@PauloCereda not yet. thanks for the reminder!
:)
@PauloCereda can you make me a LuaTeX version of this image? (a very humble request)
 
@AndrewStacey Flagged it. :)
 
@AndrewStacey Zapped
 
9:51 AM
@egreg Your comment is rude.
 
@tohecz I don't think so, but I'll remove it. Sorry if it bugged you.
 
Just a bit. The non-expl3 request is quite essential for me. I can send two sty files with my class if they are "too new", but i can't send a whole LaTeX3...
 
@tohecz transposing the table is harder than it might seem:-) (my solution transposes but discards almost all latex table functionality, which makes it easier)
 
@DavidCarlisle Yeah, I understand it's not an easy task.
Now I think I need a lecture from @egreg to understand usage of solely #
 
10:06 AM
@tohecz # in an alignment preamble is the slot into which each table cell is placed.
 
@DavidCarlisle ok, not that I understand you completely, but I think I'll get it.
btw, would it be possible to rewrite tabular completely using \valign or is there some real drawback?
 
@tohecz It's not easy at all, if you want to use tabular and its facilities. I have a couple of ideas.
 
@tohecz An alternative to using valign (which then is aligning the row heights and not helping with column width at all (hence your comment on site) would be to store the entire table in a macro and transpose it "by hand" in the macro layer and then pass it to a normal tabular. That would make it easier to use latex tabular features but is harder to program (especially when I'm at work, er working, or something)
@tohecz in an tabular based on halign you have little control over the row heights, the system just tries to make them the same and hope for the best. there are various hints like arraystretch or extrarowheight etc but none totally satisfactory, in a valign based table those comments apply to column widths but you are more sensitive to bad widths (human nature)
Also I have even less tine for TeX now, as I have a new programming language to learn
 
@DavidCarlisle which one?
@DavidCarlisle but I could store the max width of each column in a length, couldn't I? (I think you're doing something similar in longtable) The drawback would be the need of multiple passes, but that's not such a problem I think...
 
@tohecz yes exactly you need to store and re-run (similar to longtable or tabularx, it is simple to get something going but harder if you want to do \multicolumn as you need to work out what lengths to store and also you'd need to base \multicolumn on the usual \multi-row as the primitive \valign then gives you no support for spanning columns only for spanning rows,
anyway this looks more interesting than valign
 
10:19 AM
@DavidCarlisle programmable logic fields for LEGO?
 
@DavidCarlisle so he's 9 today? :)
 
I think that The LaTeX companion would be a good present :)
can the NXT robot communicate with other NXT robots? So that you have more than 3 outputs?
 
@tohecz don't know yet (not even opened the box, work/school/etc :-)
 
10:25 AM
@DavidCarlisle ok:)
I'll look into that your answer later, but it seems usable
 
... to bad I can't show you the braids that Mari Voipio has made. They are so beautiful.
... she made instructions with metapost for these complex braids. Impressive.
(I keep writing things from EuroTeX)
 
@topskip What no camera phone? I want to see!
 
lunch break soon
 
@topskip Are the braids something like these: lucet.fi/craftex/celtic-metapost
@topskip Thanks for the link - no typeset braids there yet, though.
 
@AndrewStacey yes, but the real braids are more impressive as the programmed ones (from a programmer's point of view)
 
11:23 AM
@topskip Cool: very useful!
 
12:09 PM
(from EuroTeX) next: Again Kees van der Laan "Julia fractals in PostSCript"
(after that I can't post updates, my computer will be used for three presentations in a row)
 
@topskip :-)
 
12:30 PM
Not a duck, but certainly in the right style :-)
 
@JosephWright arara!
 
@tohecz with jaundice
 
@DavidCarlisle with what?
 
@DavidCarlisle I'll ask Nicky when I see her :-)
@tohecz Liver complaint
 
oh ok
no, only the printer ran out of other colours ;)
 
1:22 PM
(my two presentations start in half an hour, enough time to complete them)
 
2:17 PM
sorry there is an implicit smiley (although the second part of your question is a true statement) some of the regulars here claim that I'm only here to field bug reports but I claim my packages only ever have undocumented features, not bugs — David Carlisle 30 mins ago
 
@egreg colour in TeX is a mess, really
 
@DavidCarlisle I know. Knuth's statement about "glorious TeXnicolor" was quite overoptimistic.
 
@DavidCarlisle Certainly 'interesting'
@DavidCarlisle Feel free to extend l3color and l3drivers :-)
@egreg Of of course you can ;-)
 
@JosephWright yes but really it needs someone to extend tex-the-program
 
@DavidCarlisle That's a different matter!
 
2:27 PM
@JosephWright or in this case it needs you or frank (or I suppose me?) to finish xor, since in the absence of an update to the formater the only solution is never let the user use vmode.
 
@DavidCarlisle :-) All I'm doing with xor is tidying stuff up and asking Frank about it
@DavidCarlisle There's a reason I'm keen people who actually know about these things get xor finalised
 
@JosephWright Then you could restart that c.t.t thread and explain why it's a good idea to remove all vertical mode primitives from the user's grasp.
 
@DavidCarlisle Partly the job of xgalley I think
More feedback on that (which does work) also welcome (generally)
 
@JosephWright well yes x-something (it was just the latex3 format last time I thought about it:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Maybe one should build the vertical list only out of "safe" material, like a state model for the page breaker, storing everything else in macros (and marks?), and then at output dissect everything with \lastbox or \vsplit, combine it with the stored-away material, and build the "real" page ;-)
Oops, DocScape :-)
 
2:43 PM
@StephanLehmke been reading xgalley? :-)
@StephanLehmke you have the advantage (I think) of not having real users come along and insert \special (or \rule or just about anything) into the main veryical list and so mess everything up:-)
 
@StephanLehmke As @DavidCarlisle says, that's what xgalley is intended to do
@DavidCarlisle Ah, but we've moved all of the primitives :-)
 
3:04 PM
@JosephWright But there's always some devious users that knows about \tex_vskip:D :)
 
@egreg Well yes
@egreg If we do get a workable format, then it will be pretty clear: 'Do something daft like this and you are on your own'
 
@JosephWright Unfortunately one has to use primitives somewhere. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle That should all be forbidden ;-)
 
@egreg Well the team does, but if we get things right then other people won't
 
@StephanLehmke it's not enough to have rules, you need users to follow them.
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3:06 PM
@egreg That's the point of defined interfaces and expl3 as the proper way to program LaTeX3
 
I think there is no way of getting a sophisticated layout engine if users are allowed to use any TeX primitives.
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
@StephanLehmke Agreed
 
@JosephWright I know! I was just joking. OTOH, I hope there will be something for including an \hrule without having to resort to \rule and backspacing for controlling the vertical placement.
 
@egreg That was the point about interfaces
 
Hello
Can somebody try to check a xelatex source for me. Hyperrefs are not working correctly.
I have an example but it is not short.
Greg, I think you tried to help me the last time.
Do you think that I need to start a bounty on this question? :-S It seems a very easy thing to do but I cannot get it right.
 
3:16 PM
Excact duplicate, based on the OP's last comment:
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Q: How to achieve different page Heading and Table of Contents entry?

JoanSometimes the name of a chapter or section is too long and in the headings it exceeds the page length, so I use the OPTIONAL field in \section[OPTIONAL]{LONG TITLE}, where OPTIONAL appears in the headings, for example: \section[Práctica y evaluación]{Práctica y evaluación del capítulo: frases de...

 
@DavidCarlisle Well nobody is outputting anything before \begin{document} with LaTeX, do they? Though there would be ways to do this with TeX primitives by being devious enough.
If you make sure everything goes completely havoc the moment you do anything out of the allowed corridor, then 99% of users will either comply or go to another format.
Assuming everything is done in horizontal mode but leaving \hbox and \hrule intact is inviting trouble though.
@egreg This can only be done by wrapping it away on the first pass and restoring it immediately before \shipout, otherwise possibilities of analysing boxes will be just too limited with plain vanilla eTeX.
 
@nagylzs What question?
 
It was this question
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Q: hyperref bad references

nagylzsAfter cleaning up my project and compiling a tex file 10 times in a row: rm temp.toc temp.pdf temp.out temp.html temp.aux xelatex temp.tex # executed 10 times! I still get bad references with hyperref. In the table of contents, I see the hyperlinks. The page number in the TOC is good. But the ...

References are still bad.
 
@topskip Sure! :) I'll work on it. :)
 
@nagylzs I'll give a look.
 
3:26 PM
Thanks
 
@egreg Congrats! :)
 
@PauloCereda Thanks!
@nagylzs There are many warnings about bookmarks.
 
like this
Package hyperref Warning: The anchor of a bookmark and its parent's must not
(hyperref) be the same. Added a new anchor on input line 3.
What does it mean? :-)
 
@nagylzs Yes
 
@egreg Those lines look like this:

\subsection{A vizsgálat tárgya}

What is wrong with this?
 
3:41 PM
@nagylzs You have subsubsections after sections, and hyperref doesn't like it.
 
(eurotex: done with my two presentations (and Taco's animations with MetaPost) - now the DANTE membership meeting)
 
@topskip: image sent. :)
oh no, I was late!
 
@PauloCereda No, I will put it in the online slides and if you allow, use it for my upcoming LuaTEX presentation
 
@egreg Where they are supposed to be, then?
 
@topskip Sure! :)
 
3:44 PM
@egreg Ohhh you mean, I must start with a subsection and then a subsubsection. I'll try that thanks
 
@nagylzs I believe that the last \section command in 02_meresi_eredmenyek.tex should be \subsection
 
@topskip Membership meeting: goody :-)
The UK-TUG one is in a couple of weeks: I have admin to do :-(
 
@JosephWright: I'm talking with the blog staff about a possible podcast support. I'll try to record one. :)
 
@PauloCereda Cool
 
@JosephWright Suggestions for the script are welcome. :)
@JosephWright OMG it's an arara, or a close cousin. :)
 
4:05 PM
@nagylzs Another thing that goes wrong is the use of many \appendix commands. There should be only one. You can load the appendix package and use the appendix environment if you want appendices at the end of sections.
 
All right. I have put all source code into a big file. Checked all sections. There are no \subsubsection afer any \section. There is only one \appendig command. And the references are still wrong. :-( I still have warnings:

Package hyperref Warning: The anchor of a bookmark and its parent's must not
(hyperref) be the same. Added a new anchor on input line 3.


That is at line 3! The very beginning of the document. So the warning was not issued because I had wrong structure. It must be something else. (???)
 
@nagylzs The problem is of course in the bookmark for the table of contents
 
Okay, I'll try to put that at the end of the whole article.
@egreg Didn't work sorry. :-(
 
@nagylzs You also had \end{document} at the end of the 08 file, which is wrong.
 
I just cheked. Now I have only one \end{document}, one \tableofcontents at the very end, and I have only one \appendinx.
 
4:17 PM
@nagylzs I'm afraid that the problem is with the hungarian option to babel.
 
:-o
But I really need that
checking anyway...
Yes, confirmed. After removing babel, links are good.
Should I post this as a bug somewhere?
 
(eurotex: DANTE membership meeting is over)
 
@topskip I guess no big news there
 
@JosephWright No, just some reports what have happende in the last half year ...
Now dinner :)
 
@nagylzs You should at least mention it in the question. One thing you should do to avoid the problem with the table of contents is to load the package bookmark:
\usepackage{hyperref,bookmark}

\begin{document}

\pdfbookmark{\contentsname}{toc}
\tableofcontents

\bookmarksetup{startatroot}

\include{01_esetleiras}
 
4:26 PM
@egreg But this bug report is from 2009.
@egreg After loading the bookmark package and adding your suggested code, it is still wrong. :-( I'm sorry I do not want to rob your time anymore.
 
@nagylzs babel has gone through a period of 'not much happening', but now has a new person running the show. He's working through the bugs!
 
@nagylzs If I copy /usr/local/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/doc/latex/magyar/magyar.ldf in the current directory, then the links are correct. There will be two spurious warnings, but at least the links are good.
 
@egreg Yes! You are a genious! :-)
Please post this as an answer and I'm going to accept it.
Hopefully others will find that and they will know how to fix this.
 
4:47 PM
@nagylzs I've added a suggestion regarding polyglossia
 
@egreg Answer already accepted. Thank you! :-)
 
5:35 PM
@tohecz: do have a little bit time? I tried your code but it does not work as expected ...
 
@Kurt well, I do technically, but I got quite seriously sick and I'm not sure if I help you
 
@tohecz: Ups, get well soon. It is a problem with the tabualar in the list question. I tried your code but got a trailing bullet to much with this code: \begin{itemize}
\item Test level one
\item\begin{tabular}{lll}
\curlabelitem & És associativa: &\quad$(x+y)+z=x+(y+z)$\\ % \textbullet
\curlabelitem & És commutativa: &\quad$x+y=y+x$\\
\curitemlabel & Té element neutre: &$\quad\exists 0\in\K : 0+x=x+0=x$\\
\labelitemi & Té element invers: &$\quad\forall x\in\K\;\exists(-x)\in\K : x+(-x)=(-x)+x=0$\\
 
do you have a link to the question?
 
@tohecz: it is question tex.stackexchange.com/questions/75717. The item before \begin{tabular} causes the wrong leading bullet.
 
I think it's ok, you just need \item\begin{tabular}[t]{lll}
 
6:06 PM
@tohecz: You see the wrong second bullet in this picture? This bullet shouldn't appear ...
 
@Kurt which one?
well, you have \curitemlabel instead of \curlabelitem on the 3rd line, and that is some old defnition
\begin{itemize}
\item Test level one
\item\begin{tabular}[t]{lll}
\curlabelitem & És associativa: &\quad$(x+y)+z=x+(y+z)$\\ % \textbullet
\curlabelitem & És commutativa: &\quad$x+y=y+x$\\
\curlabelitem & Té element neutre: &$\quad\exists 0\in\K : 0+x=x+0=x$\\
\labelitemi & Té element invers: &$\quad\forall x\in\K\;\exists(-x)\in\K : x+(-x)=(-x)+x=0$\\
\end{tabular}
\item back level one
\end{itemize}
 
@tohecz: first bullet is in front of "Test level one", second wrong bullet is in front of "- text formula"
 
i don't get you, I believe that the code I posted just now works correctly
(just in front of Te element invers is a wrong thing because it's hardcoded there)
 
@toherz: You are right, I left the old macro to compare it with the new one. That is okay. Wrong is the leading bullet (comming from \item) centered before the table. Is it possible to get rid of this bullet?
 
yes, \item[]
or use [t] for the tabular as I did, and all will be ok
 
6:18 PM
@tohecz: okay, I will test it.
@tohecz: okay, \item[] does it, [t] does only move the unwanted bullet ... Thanks
 
Yeah, you can use [t] if the "table" is supposed to be a new item. Otherwise, you can as well use "empty line" instead of \item
 
6:36 PM
Oh boy, TikZ patterns are too complicated for me. :)
 
hi @Paulo !
 
@tohecz Hey Tom! How are you feeling today? :)
 
still bad
going to shop to buy some basic food was all I was able to do today
 
Oh. :(
 
 
1 hour later…
7:46 PM
Madonna playing in the radio: Sigmund Freud, analyze this! lolwut
 
@PauloCereda what?
 
@tohecz Madonna was singing Die another day, and that is a quote from the song. :)
 
@PauloCereda omg whatever
btw, I like some ideas of S. Freud
 
@tohecz I can't understand Madonna. At all. :P
 
@PauloCereda I don't bother myself with pop music, so I'm of no help here ;)
 
7:52 PM
@tohecz I'm very eclectic. I even used to listen to Rammstein (any Germans around?). :)
 
@PauloCereda "electic"?
 
@tohecz Eclectic. :)
 
damn I don't have my glasses
 
well, I don't like pop at all
I like some other current music like punk and ska (if it's good), and some good jazz
 
7:58 PM
I have Chick Corea's discography. :)
One of my favorites.
 
I prefer Czech things in general. But I like some songs by Paul Simon, which is probably classified as "folk"
 
I have a chat bot that posts this everytime Chick Korea is mentioned
Double time Gary Novak
 
8:14 PM
@percusse OMG <3
 
@PauloCereda The original Elektrik Band :)
 
damn and i'm on this stupid silent PC
 
I have the whole thing if you want I can make a torrent out of it.
 
speaking of silence: I have a task for you Paulo: learn to play this one on the piano:
"The Sound of Silence" is a song by folk music duo Simon & Garfunkel. Written in February 1964 by Paul Simon in the aftermath of the 1963 assassination of John F. Kennedy, the song propelled the group to mainstream popularity. An initial version preferred by the band was remixed and sweetened, and has become known as "the quintessential folk rock release". In the U.S., it was the duo's second most popular hit after "Bridge Over Troubled Water". The song features Simon on acoustic guitar and both singing. It was originally recorded as an acoustic piece for their first album Wednesday Mor...
 
@tohecz Great song! :) I know it. :)
 
8:26 PM
@PauloCereda Hello darkness, my old friend
 
@egreg I have come to talk with you again
 
@egreg would it be possible to make \ an active character? You would go thru the next chars, and if the first non-letter is =, you perform an assignment, and if it's anything else, you \csname the list of letters?
@PauloCereda I love the song, and I love when you play it on an electric piano (my piano at home has CP-88 sound, which is just perfect for this piece)
 
@tohecz I've added a reference to a paper by J. Fine. He was very enthusiastic about his system.
 
and if you did it in an expandable way (don't ask me how), it might not break anything else...
 
@tohecz How nice! :)
 
8:37 PM
@egreg wow!
I believe that this is what the OP asks about
 
@PauloCereda Also play this
 
he just don't know that he's going into a completely different world
@percusse schyzo!!!! HELP!
(for me, it was enough to have each hand on a different keyboard of an organ)
 
@tohecz oh you should go into Steve Reich's stuff. It has a small side effect of brain explosion.
 
@percusse remember, I cannot listen to it now
 
@tohecz And teh pedalz! They are evil! :)
@percusse OMG
 
8:40 PM
@PauloCereda yes, especially on the organ that's in our church in Prague
 
@tohecz You can't listen to it anyway. So no damage is done :)
 
@tohecz Maybe. But it's futile.
 
my sis (she was learning organ for 8 years) was playing a piece with pedal solos. And that was soooo impressive!
 
@tohecz Awesome! :)
 
@egreg his idea is futile. If a student asked me such a question, I would be 100% sure he hadn't understood the concept of TeX.
 
8:42 PM
@tohecz Are there languages that allow using untyped variables? Oh, yes, Perl. :)
 
@PauloCereda yeah. I'm sure there's a recording somewhere, but I don't have it here probably. I don't even remember the piece name, but you can search youtube for some such pieces
@egreg PHP (type is given by assignment)
 
But also Metafont in some sense allows untyped variables, but it really makes them numeric.
 
yeah, Perl and PHP are good examples I think
 
@tohecz I'm not so sure they are good examples. :)
 
but you have to understand that there's (almost) no difference between macro and variable in TeX
 
8:44 PM
Lua is dynamically typed too. :)
 
@PauloCereda OMG!
 
@egreg I've never used Perl, I use PHP, however, and I sort of like it
 
@PauloCereda But they are scripting languages which were born for doing things slightly different from TeX. :)
 
@egreg yes, all 3 mentioned languages are scripting, that's true
 
One might try to implement TeX in Perl. ;-)
 
8:47 PM
@egreg or in brainfuck
and why to do so? Because it's a challenge to take any turing-complete language and implement a compiler of another language in it.
Hey, let's implement ANSI C in TeX!
 
@tohecz Or in BASIC. By the way, you know that BASIC has been implemented in TeX. :)
 
@egreg Basic is basic enough for this to be possible ;)
 
@egreg Don't worry. :) Untyped languages are rare, usually in the lower levels. Lua and PHP don't have an explicit type, but the typing inference happens, so they are not untyped. :)
 
@tohecz I want to see what you'll do when implementing I/O for C in TeX, which can only write DVI (or PDF) and text files one line at a time. :)
@PauloCereda One might think to define \setvar\x=\y, which would examine the nature of \y and do actions to possibly create \x as a new variable. There's \meaning for that. But the question is: is it worth thinking about it?
 
@egreg I think that writing hex bytes one at a line, and then converting by an external script would be ok with me
@PauloCereda yeah, and you have explicit types in new PHPs with classes and objects
 
8:53 PM
@tohecz Well, no: you want to implement C in TeX. You're not allowed to use external tools. :)
 
(but I'm an old-school PHP user, for me an object is an associative array)
 
@egreg Indeed. :)
 
@egreg still I think it should be possible to write arbitrary binary file by TeX, shouldn't it?
(maybe a good candidate for a question...)
 
@egreg: your answer is a true masterpiece. :) I like how the OP wants to change the language design. :)
 
@tohecz Not really. It has some conventions about what's possible to write out, since it wants to represent everything it outputs (not the main DVI or PDF output, of course) on the terminal.
 
9:00 PM
@tohecz Perhaps if we change the output routine directly in the engine source code.
 
@PauloCereda but then the user of this compiler would have to do it as well
 
@tohecz Yep.
 
well, I might consider asking this on the site ;)
 
@tohecz I seem to recall to have seen related questions.
 
@egreg I had a question about using Base64 images. :)
 
9:15 PM
this can be closed I think:
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Q: float placement at the end of the document

AlexIs there a way I can specify an option to tell TeX to place all of the floats I have in my document at the end of the document? Specifically I am inserting them currently where I will need them eventually but for the working paper phase I would like to have them all just follow the text of my doc...

 
9:34 PM
Saw this on GitHub:
Goodbye Snow Leopard

Recently, with the vast majority of our users running at least Lion, we made the decision to no longer support Mac OS X 10.6. We also wanted to make use of the improvements available to developers in OS X 10.7 (Lion) and 10.8 (Mountain Lion).

Therefore, going forward, releases of GitHub for Mac will require an install of at least 10.7 to run. If you are running Snow Leopard, you simply won’t see any new updates and can continue to run your existing version.
Why do people drop support for mildly outdated systems? At least 10.5 should be kept.
Or 10.6.
 
@PauloCereda haha, i have 10.6
 
@tohecz My Macbook is 10.6 too. :) My iMac is 10.8. :)
 
e.g. Fedora has support for "two stables" which is approx. 1 year. The difference is that upgrading Fedora is for free
but hey, I use Mac only when I need something really lightweight and not to do much there (like now)
 
@tohecz Indeed. :)
Mac software is usually more stable, so I don't think GitHub had to drop support for 10.6 just because of something that requires a more recent API. :)
 
anyways, I should switch my other PC on to watch some goodnight cartoons and off to bed
 
9:39 PM
@tohecz Cool! I like Woody Woodpecker. :)
 
I like ... you know what I like I think ;)
 
No idea. :)
 
T&J ?
 
@tohecz ooh great choice. :)
 
I love it
and I'm unhappy that a youtube channel with 100+ T&J clips was "assimilated"
 
9:45 PM
:(
 
still, on wiki you have a list, and then tey are all there just you have to try 2 or 3 since they're often not good
I'm just wild about Jerry
 
10:14 PM
I like Tom. :)
 
@PauloCereda I like Jerry more, which is funny, being called Tom myself ;)
 
@tohecz LOL
 
But I definitely love that one episode (I'm just wild about Jerry)
 
I like the one where Tom sings Il barbiere di Siviglia. :)
 
it is one of those when he flirt with some she-cat?
 
10:19 PM
No, it's the one where he sings in the opera. :)
 
oh yeah
I've always wondered if some famous signer helped them with that
 
yep i know, i was watching that one yesterday or the day before ;)
 
hehe
 
@tohecz you mean..It's not all true and some of it may be faked? I'm shocked.
 
10:22 PM
@DavidCarlisle per un barbiere di qualità, di qualità! :)
 
@DavidCarlisle you know the correct 4 letters?
 
The episode when they are in the middle of Bizet's Carmen is also fantastic. :)
 
10:36 PM
@PauloCereda Pronto prontissimo son come il fulmine: sono il factotum della città.
I can add it to my profile page. ;-)
 
@egreg It fits perfectly. :) "I'm like a lightning" :)
 
@PauloCereda Done. :)
 
@egreg Yay! Perfect! :)
 
aaaand, now I have an avatar :s
 
@Gnintendo Cool! :)
 
10:42 PM
yeah, pretty happy with it
totally stole the fontwork from EB Garamond: georgduffner.at/ebgaramond
:s
but it's ssooo much better than anything I could come up with, so eh
 
10:53 PM
Anybody else has problems trying to login with the StackExchange account? I keep receiving the message "Unable to log in with your OpenID provider: No OpenID endpoint found.", so I had to use my Google account.
 
11:19 PM
@GonzaloMedina It seems ok here, Gonzalo.
 
Why is it always me? :-(
@PauloCereda And now we are off-line for maintenance, right? Or again is just me?
 
@GonzaloMedina Oh. It's on for me. :)
 
@PauloCereda Now I'm back too, but for some minutes there was only the "maintenance" message.
 
11:47 PM
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Q: Using "Google Guava" in coding interviews

kbgn27I attended a in-person interview recently and performed well. But surprisingly I got rejected. When I asked the HR for reason, he contacted the technical interviewer and told me that I was syntactically wrong while coding. I used Google Guava for coding. So my code looked like this: List<St...

"As a point of interest, I write .NET/C# and I asked in an interview at Microsoft if it was safe to assume that I could use LINQ. The answer was no." - Ouch.
Another jewel from the "I'll-regret-asking-this-question" series:
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Q: What can Haskell's type system do that Java's can't and vice versa?

Matt FenwickI was talking to a friend about the differences between the type systems of Haskell and Java. He asked me what Haskell's could do that Java's couldn't, and I realized that I didn't know. After thinking for a while, I came up with a very short list of minor differences. Not being heavy into typ...

And this answer:
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A: What can Haskell's type system do that Java's can't and vice versa?

Jörg W MittagJava's type system is rank-1 polymorphic, Haskell's type system is rank-n polymorphic. IOW: In Java, type constructors can abstract over types, but not over type constructors, whereas in Haskell, type constructors can abstract over type constructors as well as types.

Mind running that by us again, in English this time? :P — Mason Wheeler 7 hours ago
I'm seriously thinking on answering that question with Hindley-Milner. :)
 

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