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9:00 AM
Town hall chat is scheduled. (:
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@RebeccaChernoff: Great! I'm not familiar with the Town Hall chat format.. is it supposed to be a structured discussion/Q&A with a chat moderator, or a more free-form discussion?
 
Somewhere in between? People are free to pose questions as they wish, but most have fallen naturally into a "person asks" -> "candidates answer" -> "once candidates have answered, someone else asks" format
All the sites that have had elections so far have had them if you want to look at ones that have been held already.
 
I did look through the transcript of aksubuntu, but not at the actual chat session
 
 
3 hours later…
11:47 AM
Contemplating a last minute nomination. Not sure why though. There are much more capable people already nominated.
 
@Seamus You have nothing to loose: go for it
 
@JosephWright Nomination ends 8pm GMT?
 
@Seamus Exactly
 
 
1 hour later…
1:03 PM
You can only have one open bounty at a time? I didn't know that... What's the reasoning behind that?
 
1:24 PM
@Seamus, @Joseph: I'm not sure I wanted to know that Seamus has nothing to loose, but he certainly has nothing to lose. Go on, nominate yourself, I dare you.
 
1:36 PM
So now that I have the power to approve tag-wiki edits what does that actually mean? Do they magically appear in front of me when ready for approval?
The explanation page is short on explanation.
 
1:57 PM
If two more people nominate themselves we get to have a primary phase, right?
 
@AlanMunn I was asking the same question a few days before. Caramdir and I tested it and I couldn't see his edit. To see the "to be approved" list you need 10k. No idea how this should work.
@Seamus When we have more than 10, yes
 
@Seamus: We need to get all the way to 11, so three more
 
Ah ok. There seems to be some correlation between hanging out in chat and nominating yourself for moderator....
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@Seamus :-)
 
Ain't that the truth.. Andrew must have also helped with his ceaseless propaganda
@AlanMunn: You still haven't nominated yourself, all the cool kids are doing it already..
 
2:11 PM
`@MartinTapankov Honestly I don't really see the point of having more candidates, given the high quality of the current slate. Is there some benefit to us as a group to have more?
@MartinScharrer I see. So we have an unusable power. Oh well.
 
@AlanMunn: I was only half-joking. In all seriousness, I was thinking to withdraw my nomination, as there are enough quality candidates already (and my top 3 choices are already in the list).
 
@MartinTapankov So now maybe our strategy should be to harrass people to withdraw, so that we avoid an election altogether. Much tricker to pull off, though. :-)
 
@AlanMunn It's kind of a mess since they changed the rules for wiki edits 2 weeks ago
 
2:26 PM
@MartinScharrer I see. Well if things sort themselves out, fine. The 10k requirement for tag-wiki edits seems very high for this group. But soon enough more people will hit it so it won't really be a problem anyway.
 
@AlanMunn I think as long as the 10k people are only expected to approve edits, rather than actually write all the tag wikis, then it's not too high a cap. As long as people who know enough to suggest edits do so...
 
@Seamus Guilty as charged. :-)
@Seamus In my defence, there's a lot to figure out about how the whole site works.
 
@AlanMunn Yeah, there are things I'm only learning now and I've been here since the beginning. Like this: tex.stackexchange.com/review
 
@Seamus I just discovered that too. It would be useful to have a link for that page somewhere. I don't think there is one.
 
@AlanMunn Yeah I agree. I think there are a couple of other similar "hidden gems" that don't seem to be linked. Perhaps there should be a meta post listing them, at least?
 
3:03 PM
How does the voting work? Do we all get a certain number of votes? Is it top three plurality winners? (As someone who's read a little about social choice theory, I'm interested...)
 
I'd like to reiterate my thoughts that having a lot of candidates is a sign of a healthy site: it says that here are a lot of people who care enough that this site exists to do something about it. I wouldn't be surprised if all the candidates are secretly thinking, "Actually, I sort of hope that I don't get voted in.". But please, no-one should withdraw their nomination because everyone else is also thinking that.
 
Having lots of candidates is a sign that when there's a job that "everybody thinks somebody should do", then there are lots of people who are prepared to be the "somebodies".
So, @AlanMunn: go ahead, nominate yourself. I'll stop hassling people when the clock stops or we get to 10 candidates.
 
@MartinTapankov Thanks! Time for a little voting theory geek-out.
 
@Seamus: Kindly refrain from exploiting limitations of the voting system (or do it subtly enough so nobody would notice) :-)
 
3:22 PM
Can other people write to my public github project? No, right?
 
3:36 PM
Anyway, here is something I have just added to github. It's a package that makes the structure colour of beamer presentations change slowly over the course of the presentation. Suggestions welcome. github.com/scmbradley/Beamer-colour-change-project
 
@MartinTapankov: Too bad you have withdrawn!
@Seamus: The first two sentences of your nomination statement made my day. :-)
 
@lockstep: There are so many worthy candidates, so I decided it's better not to complicate the voting. Besides, I managed to nag you and @Caramdir into applying, for which I'm happy about.
 
@MartinTapankov: But there's no candidate with rep <3000 now. I feel like I'm part of a self-appointed elite! (And your "platform" was quite good, too -- forced me to think about my aims for the site.)
 
@lockstep: Be sure I'll nag all future moderators and meta users about the issues I brought forward. FWIW I edited my nomination to explain why I'm withdrawing, but there seems to be no way to read it right now (maybe mods can see it?)
Basically saying "Thank you all" for the support, and listed why I'm stepping down (too many worthy candidates, brought my favourite candidates to apply, no reason to complicate the voting process)
 
4:00 PM
@lockstep It does sometimes feel like an addiction.
I recently decided not to buy one book because the parindent was too small and another because it was typeset raggedright. I guess those are typography geekery things rather than tex-specific...
 
4:45 PM
@MartinTapankov Nope
 
People vanishing from the nomination list overnight?
I won't be able to make to the Town Hall Chat :(
 
):
If it was an hour earlier could you?
 
Later would be better.
 
Actually, hrm. I have you penciled in as being able to make the 2nd half of the current time.
 
Also I just saw that the dates in my email were shifted by a day. Somehow I thought that the 22 was wednesday
wait a minute, something in my calendar is wrong
Corrected times: 22: any time after 3pm UTC,
23: 8pm-9.45pm, 11.30pm-0.30am, 2.30am-7am
24: 11pm-0.45am, 1.30am-7am
@RebeccaChernoff Sorry for the confusion, somehow i got the dates shifted :(
 
5:38 PM
2pm to 5.45pm on the 23 and 2pm to 5.15pm on the 24th would also work for me
(I guess I have just disqualified myself...)
 
I won't know whether I can make the Town Hall thing until Thursday, but I'll try and be around in chat as much of Thursday as I can...
Oh. UTC is the same as GMT. That makes working out what time things are much easier...
 
6:00 PM
@Seamus: thank you for the comment! I fixed the feed.
 
@StefanKottwitz Ah good. thanks. Glad to be of service!
@StefanKottwitz Thunderbird is still complaining that http://texblog.net/feed/ is not a valid feed. Is this a Thunderbird problem? (It looks like it's working in firefox...)
 
@Seamus: perhaps a caching problem? The feed was broken because of an illegal character. I'll have to check with Thunderbird.
 
@StefanKottwitz I think it was actually Thunderbird being weird: ...net/feed/ wasn't working, but ...net/feed worked...
 
 
1 hour later…
7:35 PM
And they were eight (again)!
 
8:07 PM
The election has begun!
 
8:46 PM
@lockstep why does se.awio.com/election.html refuse to show your meta participation?
 
@MartinScharrer Nope, the reverse election has begun
Don't vote for me!
Oddly, it seems to think I can vote for myself :-)
 
@Caramdir: I don't know, but I suspect it's the same bug that also bars me from earning the "Talkative" badge. See here.
@JosephWright: Sure, and you should! ;-)
 
@lockstep I see. Seems likely.
@JosephWright So does that mean that the Town Hall chat will be full of cries 'don't vote for me!'?
 
@lockstep I doubt it actually works: I guess that it will give one of those yellow pop-ups
@Caramdir Hopefully not, but what will be added to the thread on meta I don't know
 
@JosephWright Now someone has to test it to satisfy my curiosity.
 
9:40 PM
So I guess that everyone here has already voted?
 
Should people not wait until after the TeX Town Hall Chat?
I voted already anyway.
 
not yet
there are 8 more days to go.
 
@MartinScharrer That depends on whether you feel that it will influence how you vote
It's clearly not a 'political' election
If you look at some of the other SO sites there were/are very different views of the moderators role, whereas that does not seem to be the case for {TeX}
 
I haven't voted yet ... there are some tough decisions to be made.
 
I read through the town hall chat for cooking. Since it seems like i won't be able to make it to our chat, here is the answer to the most important question (“What is your favorite ice cream?“): More or less everything from the Eissalon am Schwedenplatz :-)
 
9:50 PM
@Caramdir: You try everything to persuade me!
 
@lockstep In a way, but in a way not - I suspect that all of the candidates would make excellent choices as moderators (usual disclaimer about myself, of course)
@Caramdir It may well come down to such vital issues :-)
 
@lockstep This is a problem in a reverse election...
 
At least I have learned a lot about "Single Transferable Votes" during the last few hours.
 
10:22 PM
@lockstep Is that how this election works?
Okay, I can answer that myself: it says so on the election page.
 
It's actually quite sophisticated.
 
10:50 PM
\expandafter\election\def\moderators{\thr@e@f{Konrad}{Joseph}{Matthew}{lockstep}{Martin}{Seamus}{Stefan}{Caramdir}}
 
@AndrewStacey \def is unexpandable, so the \expandafter doesn't do much
 
@AndrewStacey: This is not a working minimal example.
 
Just realised: this is the first election in decades that I've been eligible to vote in!
 
How come?
 
Okay, it's late so I'll make one more pathetic attempt. \expandafter\election\newmoderators[3]{\thr@e@f{can't}{be}{bothered}{to}{list}{them}{all}{again}}
@lockstep: I'm an alien, I'm a legal alien, I'm an Englishman in .... Trondheim (and before that, Yorkshire, and before that, Stanford).
 
10:54 PM
No absentee ballot?
@AndrewStacey: Scrap my last comment -- I just learned the difference between "eligible" and "eligible to vote" ...
 
I'm definitely not eligible! Nah, voting rules are complicated and are a mix of residency and nationality. So far, there's yet to be an election where I qualify on both.
 

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