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12:00 AM
I was not expecting such crazy good answers either. I just wish I could use the font from one answer with the random rotation of the other.
 
Doesn't that work?
 
I wasn't able to get it to, but I don't know XeTeX or LuaTeX at all. I don't understand most of the random rotation stuff.
 
You could post a specific follow-up question regarding combining rotation and font selection.
Have to leave too. Good night!
 
 
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3:14 AM
Friends, I had to redraw one of the community ads. A user pointed out that the box I used is licensed under a non-derivative work. To play safe, I changed the box to a safe one (I guess):
 
 
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8:11 AM
We have 3 votes for reopen:
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A: Enumerated description list

MarcoUse the package enumitem in the newest version: \documentclass{scrbook} \usepackage{enumitem} \newcounter{descriptcount} \renewcommand*\thedescriptcount{\alph{descriptcount}} \begin{document} \begin{description}[% before={\setcounter{descriptcount}{0}},% ,font=\bfseries\stepcounter{descrip...

What do you think?
 
@Marco I guess we could reverse the duplication (older is dupe of newer based on a better answer)
 
@JosephWright Ok I will vote ;-)
At the moment I get This closure would result in the 'duplicate of' navigation only leading in a circle.
 
@Marco First, we have to reopen the newer one :-)
Job done
 
Are you able to reopen/close a question without any votes?
 
@Marco Yes, mod votes are binding
 
8:22 AM
@JosephWright Interesting. Thanks
 
(Insert Over 9000 joke here.)
What's this?
 
8:54 AM
@AndreyVihrov It's the user Werner ;-) The duplication of a name is possible. Please see: tex.stackexchange.com/users and type the name marco
 
9:16 AM
Good morning! :-)
 
@PauloCereda Hello
 
Hey @Joseph. :-)
 
@PauloCereda Good morning.
 
Hello @egreg! :-)
I'm excited to see who's gonna be the lucky user to post the 10kth question.
(/me looks at @egreg)
 
@PauloCereda I suspect it will be a dupe
 
9:25 AM
@JosephWright Oh, lets hope for the best. :-)
 
@PauloCereda Well of course
 
@JosephWright BTW, nice blog post! 10k is a very significant barrier, specially for a community like TeX.sx. :-)
I was thinking of two blog posts: one about the users around the world, and other about inviting people to join the chatroom.
 
9:50 AM
So I was watching France vs. Tonga in the Rugby World Cup. I got scared by that war dance Tonga players did before the game.
 
 
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11:02 AM
@PauloCereda Don't mention the RWC. :(
 
11:14 AM
@egreg Oh, Italy seemed to play quite well against Ireland. That's my first RWC, I'm still trying to understand it. :)
 
@PauloCereda Playing well is not the whole thing. :)
 
@egreg Ah, so true. I still don't know how we won WC'94 against... oh nevermind.
@egreg: I'm sure you'll remember this one:
 
12:15 PM
@PauloCereda I seem to remember something about a certain Baggio. But it's very vague.
 
 
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1:22 PM
@egreg It was so unfair to Baggio. He was one of the best players I've ever seen.
 
1:47 PM
Yes, he was (too conceited, I believe). Of course many remember the errors by Baresi and Baggio, but forget about Massaro who was on a lower level as a player than those two. Anyway, we both have something to forget about penalty shots.
 
2:10 PM
Indeed! :-)
 
2:30 PM
Speaking of community ads, would be a nice idea to create an ad about Stack Exchange becoming an institutional member of the TUG?
 
@PauloCereda The initiative is finished. And there's already an ad for the TUG.
@PauloCereda If you would create a picture - fine! That can be used in promotion stories, such as on blogs - we still could get some!
 
2:54 PM
@StefanKottwitz Ah ok. :-) I'll think of something (I'm out of ideas). ;-)
 
@lockstep 192 questions without upvoted answers, or without any answer?
 
 
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4:29 PM
I tried a Rubik's cube with faces TeX, TUG and SX, but with no luck. :'-(
 
4:43 PM
@Marco Yes, that's not me. I guess this is where the avatar comes in handy.
 
5:39 PM
@StefanKottwitz We started at 192 questions without upvoted answers. (Right now, we're at 148.)
 
6:00 PM
@lockstep thanks, I put a note onto the meta site:
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A: Regular "Let's deal with unanswered questions" chat meetings?

Stefan KottwitzYesterday we had another "Answer the Unanswered" session, 21:00--23:00 GMT. When we started, there were 192 unanswered questions (meaning without upvoted answers), after the session there were 157 left. Some were answered, some were closed after discussion, usually with a comment to the question...

 
6:25 PM
whispers: bring cake for the 10kth question party.
 
Jin
6:39 PM
someone said CAKE???
 
6:54 PM
me me me!
 
@PauloCereda Probably tomorrow, looking at the numbers (I originally said Tuesday)
 
@JosephWright I think tomorrow. In Germany we have a public holiday so many Germans will ask questions ;-)
 
@Marco We only need 18 questions, and the usual is around 30 per day, so it seems likely
I did not realise you were in Germany
 
7:15 PM
@JosephWright Of course that's the reason for my bad school English.
 
@Marco Besser als Mein Deutsch!
 
@JosephWright ;-)
You were able to provide German features in siunitx
 
@JosephWright Cool, it would be nice to take a screenshot when that moment arrives. :-)
 
@Marco I have Stefan Pinnow to help with that
 
@PauloCereda We have 9983 questions. So who will observe the counter tonight?
 
7:26 PM
@lockstep Thanks for pointing out the possible duplicate on my biblatex name prefix question. The answers there come close, but they don't seem to work in my example. If I put \togglefalse{blx@useprefix} at begin bibliography, the sorting still seems to be done using the prefix, even though the prefix doesn't appear initially in the output.
 
@AlanMunn lockstep and I discuss whether the order of Saussure, de F. is correct or not?
 
@Marco Hi Marco. I added a comment that I think it should be Saussure, Ferdinand de.
 
@Marco I'll try at some point. :-)
How was the concert, @Alan?
 
@AlanMunn Look closely at my answer in the linked question. You have to use the package option useprefix=false, then switch the toggle to true at the start of the document, then switch it agin to false at the start of the bibliography.
 
@PauloCereda Very good, and unlike anything I've seen before. The Infernal Comedy: confessions of a serial killer The sopranos were Claire Meghangi and Sophie Klussmann (who doesn't appear on the linked page for some reason.)
@lockstep Ah, you're right. I had useprefix=true as the initial state. So yes, I think we can close this as a duplicate. However, there is still one problem with your solution (not your fault) in a list of in-text citations, the de Sassure will be alphabetized with the Ds, which still isn't correct. Any way to fix that?
@lockstep In fact, if I modify my question taking into account your solution, but raising this issue, it wouldn't be a duplicate any more.
 
7:42 PM
@AlanMunn What exactly is a " list of in-text-citations"?
 
@lockstep e.g. in my MWE, if you do \autocite{labov1972,saussure1995} you end up with (de Saussure 1995; Labov 1972) instead of the reverse.
 
@lockstep I tried it but in the citation you don't get a prefix?
 
@AlanMunn In this case, a redefinition of labelname seems to be in order.
 
@Marco Works for me.
@lockstep So should I update my question?
 
@Marco Well, in my MWE I get a prefix in the citation.
@AlanMunn Indeed.
 
7:47 PM
@lockstep I will delete all files and test again.
 
Do we have a TeX.SX group on linkedin?
 
Wow, my rep is now an actual palindrome. It's not fun that way.
 
great
Let me ask this another way: who would like a TeX.SX group on linkedin?
 
I don't know what linkedin is. blushes
 
oh my, I'm going to send you an invite
I got most of my interesting job offers through linkedin :-)
there, one invite for you :-)
 
7:53 PM
@lockstep Please see my edit.
 
Ah, thanks. I'll take a look.
 
@Marco I think the trick is to redefine the name format in citations (labelname?) so that it will display as "Saussure, de" with useprefix=false. If you modify your answer this way, you'll have my upvote.
 
@Raphink: hm for some reason, moderntimeline is not working for me, even for a basic example. I guess I'm gonna try it in TL.
 
@PauloCereda: what doesn't work?
 
@Marco To clarify: The name format for citations must be changed somehow, but useprefix must always be set to false.
 
8:00 PM
@Raphink I tried a \tlcventry and I got an undefined control sequence.
 
errr
and you did use the package of course :-)
do you have a MWE?
 
@lockstep Right. That seems to be the solution. My problem with biblatex hacking is that there are so many little pieces, I never know where to start looking to make the fix.
 
@lockstep With useprefix=true you will get the incorrect sorting
 
@Marco I know. As I said above, useprefix must always be false. Redefining the citation name format seems to be the key.
 
\documentclass[11pt,a4paper]{moderncv}
\usepackage{moderntimeline}
\firstname{John}
\familyname{Doe}
\title{Curriculum Vitae}
\begin{document}
\maketitle
\section{Hello}
\tlcventry[blue]{1999}{2002}{WYSIWYG User}{Unnamed Company}{Somewhere}{}{Tried hard to typeset documents}
\end{document}
 
8:05 PM
I'm getting: ! Undefined control sequence.
<argument> ifthenelse(2002==0,\tllastyear
but that's because you didn't define the range
 
@Marco You must have edited your answer while I was editing my question, so now I've included your current answer in the question. Sorry about that.
 
@Raphink oh!
 
e.g. \tlmaxdates{1995}{2012}
before using \tlcventry
 
@Raphink: I'm so sorry! I didn't notice that.
 
np
 
8:08 PM
@AlanMunn I deleted my answer because it wasn't really an answer.
 
I should probably issue a clean error message
 
woohoo it works!
 
@Marco Ok. Now the question is clear, at least.
 
@PauloCereda: great :-)
 
@Raphink Thanks a lot.Sorry, I should've read the manual better.
 
8:11 PM
no problem. I'd be curious to see the result on someone else's CV :-)
I've been busy lately migrating the HTML part of my CV to github (together with the TeX part) and taking advantage of the gh-pages branch in github projects : raphink.github.com/CV
it's a cool github feature, very useful
Now I'm trying to think about how I could adapt this to make several pages, for projects, talks, etc. with the same layout
 
@AlanMunn I think Simifilm has provided an answer. Testing right now.
 
Now I'm addicted to the TeX question counter: 9,984
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@AlanMunn It's seem that only an option is missing sortcites=true
@lockstep Do you want to be a tester ;-)
I edited my answer again.
 
@Marco Upvote for both simifilm and you. Let's see what answer is accepted by @AlanMunn.
 
@lockstep The solution of Simifilm can be expanded very simple. It's also a nice one.
 
8:24 PM
@lockstep It doesn't seem to. But @Marco has figured out the problem: if you add sortcites=true it works, but so does your/his solution.
@Marco I'm not sure I understand the need for Simon's solution, since your solution only requires 2 lines of code. Am I missing something?
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@AlanMunn No. But if you want to have more special features you can use this solution.
 
@egreg: goal!
 
@Marco So I'll accept your answer. @lockstep Thanks to you both.
 
@egreg: goal!
 
@PauloCereda: do you think it would be easier to pass the start and end dates as options to the package, like \usepackage[startdate=1999,enddate=2012]{moderntimeline} ?
 
8:38 PM
@Raphink I think so, but \tlmaxdates is also nice. :-)
 
well I can have both ;-)
I'm not planning to remove an existing command without a good reason. Never break an existing API without a good reason ;-)
 
Indeed!
How do I use \tlsince? I didn't get it.
 
@PauloCereda The game deserved my best attention. WOW!
 
@egreg Juve played very well. Pirlo was a great reference.
 
@PauloCereda And Vučinić did a great job.
 
8:43 PM
@egreg True. Him and Marchisio. And if it were not for Thiago Silva, Juve was supposed to score 4+.
 
@PauloCereda Those pesky Brazilians. :)
 
@egreg LOL! I heard during the broadcasting that Amauri is still in Juve. The narrator said Amauri chose to fulfill his contract, even without playing. He receives a nice salary.
And Felipe Melo is now in Galatasaray.
Interesting: Saussure, Ferdinand de. and De Morgan, Augustus.
Those references drive me crazy.
 
@PauloCereda The "de" prefix does not really make part of the name; Pierre Fermat received the privilege of putting "de" before the name, for example.
 
@egreg Except when it does. :-) Especially, e.g. for some names that started out that way, but have been Anglicized.
 
@PauloCereda: in version 0.4 (available on github, on its way to CTAN), you can now do: \usepackage[firstyear=1999,lastyear=2012]{moderntimeline}
 
8:56 PM
@AlanMunn The problem is just that! There's no general rule for knowing whether the particle is part of the name or not. Generally, French names should be referred to without the particle (if it's lowercase), IIRC.
 
@Raphink Cool, I'm gonna check it out.
 
@AlanMunn So the "l'Hôpital rule", not the "de l'Hôpital rule".
 
@egreg Right. (abstracting away from the absurdity of "the l'")
 
@PauloCereda: I wonder if I could do it automatically. The first time, it would set the dates to random values, and store the given dates to an aux file, and at the second compile time, it would use the extrema of the entered dates.
 
In Portuguese, we have lots of names with those prefixes. The general rule is to remove them from the references.
 
9:01 PM
@egreg That's why biblatex+biber allows a useprefix as an option in an individual bib record.
 
@Raphink TBH, I prefer the explicit approach. :-) I really like the idea of writing a date range.
 
@AlanMunn Which is much better than doing hacks in the bib file.
 
@egreg Exactly. But since it's a biber only solution, it's still of limited value until publishers who accept latex get with it.
 
\newcommand{\badger}{badger badger badger badger badger badger}
! Undefined control sequence.
snake!
2
 
9:08 PM
@JosephWright LMAO!
It's settled! I have a new ringtone now.
 
9:22 PM
@JosephWright You're simply evil. It never stops!
 
@AlanMunn And it's catchy! ^_^
 
@PauloCereda Where's @AndrewStacey when you need him? ('Forget Norway'!)
 
Weird Firefox behaviour: if I select some text in chat and press command-C (on a Mac) it doesn't copy the text, but instead yields "(*) TeX, LaTeX and Friends | chat.stackexchange.com chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/41/tex-latex-and-friends"; If I choose copy from the Edit menu, the text copies correctly. Any ideas why?
 
@JosephWright hehe "number of lions: 0 / number of tigers: 0 / main export: tree / tree < lion = kenya wins!"
 
And it doesn't happen in Safari.
 
9:30 PM
Hm weird. What's the Firefox version?
Does the shortcut work in another web page?
 
@PauloCereda 7.0.1
@PauloCereda Yes. It's only in chat that I've noticed it not working.
 
@AlanMunn It happens to me in Safari. But doing Command-C doesn't modify the clipboard.
 
@AlanMunn I really don't know, but I have some suspicions. This page could use some sort of script which maps certain keys. I'll try to take a deep look and mimic it on my Mac.
 
@egreg That's odd, since it works for me. I have v. 5.11 of Safari. (Not sure what you mean by command-C not modifying the clipboard. (other than that being the description of the issue itself.))
 
@AlanMunn I have version 5.0.3 on this machine; selecting some text in the chat and hitting Command-C doesn't modify the contents of the clipboard. It only works in the typing box.
 
9:53 PM
@egreg Ok. So that must have been fixed with the later Safari. As Paulo says it's probably related to some Javascript stuff.
Out of votes.
 
Me too.
And @egreg probably hit the rep cap.
 
@PauloCereda And got 11 votes over the limit. :)
 
:-)
Counter is now stuck: 9,984
 
Post questions! ;-)
This problem could be reposted for being solved, just stumbled across it:
 
10:14 PM
9,985!
We are moving!
Speaking of badgers...
 
@StefanKottwitz The problem arises even with $\breve{\breve{a}\breve{a}}$. I believe it's with all accents defined with \mathaccentV; the suggested workaround doesn't do anything. The "stacking accents" routine works when there is only one symbol in the argument of the outer accent.
 
10:37 PM
9986. (And a question like a present -- I answered "Use my idxlayout package".)
 
@StefanKottwitz Why don't you post the question?
 
I wish we could come up with a nice 10kth question with the following title:
Aug 4 at 8:04, by Andrew Stacey
I have a great question title going for free if anyone can think of a good question for it. (I thought I had the question, but then realised that things didn't work quite how I thought they did and the question didn't make sense. But the title's good, so if anyone can think of a question to fit it, feel free.) The title is: How do I swallow glue?
 
@lockstep And I upvoted it even if it didn't recommend imakeidx. :)
 
@egreg On your way to the Sportsmanship badge. It will be hard for you to get, given the authority of your answers. (As opposed to your generosity, which is ample.)
 
@AlanMunn I didn't have a competing answer there. I'll try harder. :)
 
11:05 PM
Might I beg someone's timely assistance?
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Q: Get biblatex-chicago working

CanageekI'm writing an essay and I need to have superscript citations in either Chicago or MLA style. After a bit of searching (and a false start with natbib) this question seemed to indicate that Chicago with biblatex and biblatex-chicago would work. However I'll be darned if I can figured out the docu...

 
@Canageek I've added a comment
 
@egreg I've added a minimal example that works.
 
@AlanMunn Also Canageek's works for me (with BibTeX).
 
@egreg Checking the docs again, I see that the biber requirement is only if you're using author-date format (which I use). I'll adjust my answer.
 
9,987!
 
11:20 PM
I'm wondering if my copy of chicago-notes.cbx has gotten damaged somehow?
TeXStudio has the annoying habit of opening the file when you click on the error, so it isn't inconceivable that I accidentally hit a key while it was open, though I wouldn't have hit save.
 
@Canageek It's just out of date. (Or maybe you have a version of biblatex-chicago in your local texmf?
 
The tlmgr package revision number of biblatex-chicago is 24143; there have been three revisions since the 2011/03/17 version.
@Canageek What does the terminal say when you ask for kpsewhich chicago-notes.bbx?
 
Haven't been using the terminal, I'll try
Just run that exact commend?
 
@Canageek Yes: kpsewhich chicago-notes.bbx
 
Only a blank line, could be not part of my path? Though that normally gives an error message.
 
11:26 PM
Have you run tlmgr recently?
 
Not since I installed TeXLive 2011 when it came out
Loading it up now
 
@Canageek You should. Remember to do it as superuser. What operating system do you use?
 
Win7
rebuilding filename database
 
@Canageek You're on your own w.r.t me and @egreg, I'm afraid. (Both Mac users.)
 
Bleh, found why no output before, made a typo
One file listed
 
11:30 PM
@Canageek What's the complete answer?
 
c:/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/tex/latex/biblatex-chicago/chicago-notes.bbx
 
Sorry to ask, "textlive"?
 
texlive
Sorry
 
ah np :-)
 
Can't copy from the stupid windows terminal
 
11:34 PM
I know, it's a PITA.
 
@Canageek That looks right. (It shows that you're not loading some older version from within your local texmf folder.)
 
191 updates. Glad the mirror is close. I'm going to do some coursework while this runs.
No, I did a full uninstall of texlive2010 before installing 2011
Thakns for your help.
 
@Canageek That wouldn't matter. Your local texmf folder is forever.
(Apologies to DeBeers)
 
Ferdinand de Saussure strikes again. :-P
 
@PauloCereda What? The terminal or Win7? :)
 
11:38 PM
@Canageek The update is pretty straightforward. :-)
 
@egreg The terminal is just a symptom.
 
@egreg The latter is the cause!
On unrelated news, my old Mac was named after my cat: Fubá. :-)
 
@PauloCereda As always, the solution is del C:
Or what is called the best maintenance program for Windoze. :)
 
@egreg Quoting one of Red Hot Chili Peppers' songs: "The more I C:\, the less I know..."
@egreg Some formatting tool, I guess. :-)
 
@PauloCereda Indeed I recall it was launched by something like del C: or so; don't remember the exact command. :)
 
11:43 PM
@PauloCereda Yes, just slow.
Hey, I've not been bashing your little toy Macs.
 
Mine is indeed "little". I could not afford a better Mac, they are terribly expensive.
 
I prefer computers that I don't have to build the way someone else wants. (Yes, I use Linux when I can- Windows just tends to work better on laptops)
 
@Canageek That's because they're unbashable. :-) (Although bash is the default shell...)
 
@AlanMunn Switch that to zsh, it is much nicer.
 
@AlanMunn Fully POSIX-compliant!
 
11:46 PM
@Canageek We Mac users have been conditioned into thinking that what Apple does is exactly what we want.
 
I strongly dislike Mr Jobs or his sucessor telling me what hardware I can and cannot use.
@AlanMunn Mac doesn't have matte screens or touchpoint style controls. That I know of only Dell and Lenvo still offer that combination.
 
@Canageek I'm not dependent enough on a shell for it to matter. When the default shell was csh I used that; now that it's bash I use that.
 
I've had to use tcsh. Shudder I had to write entire programs on one line.
 
@Canageek I like Linux on laptops. But it takes a while for you to set it running the way you want. :-)
 
Ok, done the update- Do I have to do anything now?
 
11:49 PM
@Canageek I use tcsh!
 
Much of my chemistry software doesn't work on linux
@egreg WHY?
I'm still tramatised by the horror of entire awk scripts on one line with no whitespace or documentation.
 
@Canageek ouch, one-liners give me shivers. o.O
 
@Canageek Because I've used it since 20 years. Old habits don't die. :)
And I do little shell scripting.
Just run programs.
 
Ah yeah, I had to run lots of shell scripts. It was ...painful.
Updating TeXLive works sort of. Giving me the wrong citation style.
I'm getting Author-date, not notes
 
I once let my dad use my Mac. He stared at the screen and keyboard for 5 minutes without saying a word, just because he saw only one button in the trackpad.
 
11:57 PM
Heh.
 
@Canageek Are you running your example or mine?
@PauloCereda I have exactly the same reaction with a PC trackpad. I never know which button I'm supposed to press.
 

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